AoK: To address your first paragraph, I felt I had already answered this but I will go ahead and do this again: I killed H'Roth for two reasons. The first is there was a missing kill when I blocked him. To see him be able to daykill may be a scum ability. More importantly, by killing him, I made it so that we can win, today. To get rid of one more unconfirmed would lead to victory, or at least I thought I could convince you all today. Also note that H'Roth killing Cubus does not prove him to be townie, we made H'Roth do it. No doing it would get him killed, so had to. He had no choice in the matter.
Some of these arguments might work against someone that doesn't know better. I'm not that someone, I have mafia experience. The argument that HRothGar 'had' to kill whom you guys said is rubbish. If he was scum, he would simply have stalled for a day, vigged someone, single-vote-lynched someone else, and the scum would win. And also, daykill is *almost always* a town ability, very rarely is it given to scum. You're not going to get away with peddling statistically invalid arguments against me, I know better.
Yes, I would demur, seeing as I am not a vanilla. Also note that I wouldn't say my aim has been bad, note that loran was playing the role earlier, not me. Plus, with so many vanillas it is expected that I wouldn't hit all that often. Really, overall, I feel that my play has not been bad.
Nice way to pass the buck to someone else. You still haven't explained why Loran claimed a unique role/PM, to which you then tried to claim Vanilla.
Who is making emotional appeals now, Cyan? Did you even read my post? It was four o'clock in the morning and was a tad tired. I wasn't really up to posting anything. But here is the chatlog I received from loran last night:
[17:55] *** "Josh" signed on at Thu Jun 28 17:55:33 2007.
[18:21] Josh: how was the lcq?
[18:21] *** Auto-response sent to Josh: I am currently away from the computer.
[19:11] Josh: vote cyan when you get back immediately for tiebreakre purposes
[19:11] *** Auto-response sent to Josh: I am currently away from the computer.
[21:24] Josh: howd it go?
[04:10] *** You have been disconnected. Fri Jun 29 04:10:15 2007.
And to say loran is coaching me is ridiculous. This is a clan contest, where we play with our clan. We help each other and we consider the proper play together. So please cut that out, okay Cyan?
I'll concede this point, I didn't know that clan mates could help each other.
This is equally ridiculous. HKKID claimed vanilla first, yes. But he claimed nothing about what was in his PM until after AoK had. He would know that AoK was confirmed and knew that claiming that couldn't be bad. How does knowing this at all confirm you?
Of course he didn't talk about what was in his role PM. There would be no reason to do so. Then, after AoK discussed what was in her role PM, he realized that their PMs were essentially the same. Then he used this to catch you in a lie. Now Archy has come along and confirmed that he, too, has received the same message. The only logical conclusion is that all three are telling the truth, leaving you as the odd man out.
I don't remember so I will ask: AoK, when investigated, did you did a PM? Did any of you get protected? If so, did you get a PM then?
Please. Never do people that are investigated get informed of it. Almost never do people that are Doc protected get informed of it. Almost always, people that are roleblocked get informed of it. The dynamic of a roleblock is different than that of an investigation or a protection. Please, stop trying to use arguments that can't possibly work against someone that has any decent mafia experience. It's insulting.
This doesn't work because we wouldn't have let him do this? There was far too much pressure on him for that to happen.
Bull. Stalling is ridiculously easy in mafia, and people in this game are clearly reluctant to place votes.
For me to praise someone's play is scummy? That just seems coldhearted, Cyan, and I have never seen anyone make that argument before, let alone make it successfully. And as scum, why do I want to soften my argument on HKKID? At this point, it is most definitely you or me. So why would I want to make you sound better? I praised HKKID because, if you have read the whole thread, I have been praising him as the best townie all game long. I still think he has played an amazing game and I am a little embarrassed I was so sure of his townieness. Also, what does HKKID opposing H'Roth's lynch have to do with anything?
Wow, way to try to turn this into an emotional battle against me. You praised his play in an obvious attempt to cover what was essentially a non-argument attack on him. You're contradicting yourself even now. You've praised him as the best townie all game, but are suddently convinced that he's scum? Seriously, if you cannot make a logical argument, don't make one at all. Banking on emotional response from people is as scummy as possible.
That is not what that post is saying, at all. Yes, he said that at the beginning of the post. But it was a stream of conscious post and by the end of it, he was supporting me. He even says he should unvote me unless he is missing something. I don't see any evidence at all that he would be voting for me. And that is why you killing him, because you knew he would be one of the townies supporting me, and not you.
It's not what the post was saying? Those are his *exact words from the post*. So yes, it is what the post is saying.
How? Why does it seem like a fabrication to you? Everyone in the game at the time, some now confirmed as townies, accepted it. Why can't you?
It is blatantly a fabrication, like everything you have said in the last two days. You got caught in a lie, and came up with 'I'm the town RB!' as a last ditch cover, knowing that the existence of a town RB was extremely unlikely, because A)the mafia had a roleblocker and B)no mention had ever been made of a town RB throughout the entire game.
What? So I want to attack the players that I need to convince in order to win the game? You are simply trying to make my expression of my emotions into a way to paint me as the bad guy. You are one using emotions here. And AoK and Archy are townies, why would they care about how they look if they feel they are making the best play?
I don't need to use emotions, my statements are all based upon logic. Logic which is sound. All of the statements you have made today have been based off of an emotional standpoint. And you called them out as sheep, which essentially shames them from making the best play to begin with.
This argument is very frustrating. All of your arguments take gross advantage of the fact that AoK and archy are very inexperienced at mafia. The emotional arguments, the fact that you lied, got caught, and just tried to make up a cover. The fact that you lynched Hrothgar, someone who there was virtually no chance could be scum. Etcetera, etcetera. Your actions are, without a doubt, the scummiest I have seen in my entire time playing mafia.
It's been nearly 24 hours since my last post, and this game has a built in deadline. AoK and Archy, you have to be more proactive here, please. The evidence against SG is literally a mountain worth, whereas he has made no actual points against myself/HKKID.
@SG: I'm still waiting for you to make an actual case here. Saying 'HKKID must be the last scum because I know it isn't me!' means absolutely nothing. One day you're convinced that HKKID must be town, the next day you're doing a complete 180. Hell, Kenji said *exactly* the same as you did here regarding RafK recently in DotA Mafia. What was the end result? Kenji was scum.
I've been trying to convince other people that HKKID (and now you, by proxy) have been scum since Day Two, I believe. Unfortunately, I'm not that great at convincing people. That, and I have been thinking about this entire situation. You're pushing on him hard, almost TOO hard, if you get my drift. This is why I'm waiting and watching. Someone will slip up...eventually.
I believe Archy to be town. It's now between you two, and I'll figure out who it is.
And yes, no incantatrix for you. Or anyone. That class makes puppies cry. Mostly because they are the former Big Bads who have been Baleful Polymorphed into said puppies. By you. Because you're an incantatrix.
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Remember, the girl that just killed an aspect of herself before literally consuming her?
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I suppose it's true. Though the logistics implied in a human/Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon pairing makes me shudder.
...Something tells me that even should all arcane casters in the world unite, that the Grease spell would NOT be sufficient.
Someone will slip up? You mean by like..trying to claim vanilla, then when getting caught out lying at that, making up a lame cover story? Or by single-handedly lynching someone that was almost guaranteed to be town? Or by acting scummy the entire game, and using weak, emotional justifcations as to why? SG can't screw up more than he already has. I don't need to be hard, all of the evidence is right there for you to see for yourself. That's not even taking into account the fact that HKKID claimed the same role PM as you..a role PM that Archy has also now verified that he has as well. Seriously, this is the most obvious lynch I've ever seen in a game of mafia.
The main problem I have with this the the fact that HKKID, and by extension, you, Cyan (because you replaced him) have seemed ultimately scummy to me for the entire game. Your actions here could be considered scummy; you are condemning SG utterly, completely, and totally.
Your claim of vanilla could be the direct result of Archy and my own...you've been given plenty of information to be able to bluff it out, partially because of me. It seems extremely easy to claim whatever you like when there's no one that can verify it- all people who can verify roles are dead.
On another note, I believe I was asked if I recieved a PM when the cop investigated me. Nope, nothing. It was by that same cop's actions that got the wagon OFF me (led by HKKID) and led to his early demise.
I'm starting to think that this is the case of "he who pointed fingers a bit too much"; if you throw suspicion onto another person, you can then feel free to do as you like. I'm pretty sure there's only one scum left; if we mis-lynch today, the town loses. (My logic behind this: three town, one mafia. Lynching town makes it two town, one mafia. One townie gets it tonight, and then the mafia guy hammers the last town giving them a victory. Ew.)
This is why I am being careful, considering all options. I really would like some more input from SG and Archy...especially Archy, as I completely believe him to be town and could use some support in trying to find the truth.
At this point, I am not sure who to choose from, despite the arguments from both Cyan and SG. In my eyes, both have acted scummy; both are equally suspicious due to their actions and their predecessors' actions.
And yes, no incantatrix for you. Or anyone. That class makes puppies cry. Mostly because they are the former Big Bads who have been Baleful Polymorphed into said puppies. By you. Because you're an incantatrix.
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This is Deraxas we're talking about.
Remember, the girl that just killed an aspect of herself before literally consuming her?
Yeah, I don't see her handling a pissing match in any way other than a duel.
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Yes mistress...
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There are only so many epic, psuedonatural barbarian/blackguard half-dragon akutenshai vampire balor paragons they can throw at you, right?
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I suppose it's true. Though the logistics implied in a human/Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon pairing makes me shudder.
...Something tells me that even should all arcane casters in the world unite, that the Grease spell would NOT be sufficient.
The main problem I have with this the the fact that HKKID, and by extension, you, Cyan (because you replaced him) have seemed ultimately scummy to me for the entire game. Your actions here could be considered scummy; you are condemning SG utterly, completely, and totally.
I am condemning SG in entirety because he is the only one that can possibly be scum. Not only do all of his actions bear this out, but again, there is the vanilla flavor text situation. As town, it is a person's responsibility to hunt down scum. In this situation, it is necessary for me to be direct and aggressive. I replaced into a situation where the last scum of the game, SG, was one vote away from winning the game, and could acheive that vote in multiple ways. The dwindling clock leaves no room for missteps nor soft play.
Your claim of vanilla could be the direct result of Archy and my own...you've been given plenty of information to be able to bluff it out, partially because of me. It seems extremely easy to claim whatever you like when there's no one that can verify it- all people who can verify roles are dead.
HKKID claimed Vanilla before anyone else, the way I understand it. He stated that he had the same mature discussion bit in his role PM after you came forth about having it. Archy has only recently confirmed that he ALSO had this PM. To assert that HKKID would have taken a chance and lied about having the same role information as another, in order to try and hopefully catch a townie lying about being vanilla? This makes no sense whatsoever. However, if HKKID was town and recognized a piece of information from AoK's role PM that was also in his role PM and tried to trap SG with it, that makes perfect sense. And that is exactly what happened, and it has been further verified by Archy stating that he also has the same information in his role PM.
On another note, I believe I was asked if I recieved a PM when the cop investigated me. Nope, nothing. It was by that same cop's actions that got the wagon OFF me (led by HKKID) and led to his early demise.
As I stated in response to SG asking this, it means absolutely nothing that you weren't told when you were investigated. No one is *ever* told they are investigated, with the exception of roles that have a special trigger that lets them know when they are targeted by other players, and by what ability. This role is fairly rare, and is certainly not the case here. The same applies to Doctor protection. SG is using those examples to cover for the fact that his theoretical roleblocks don't tell the person they are blocked, even though, more often than not, people that are roleblocked are informed of such. He is preying on the fact that you and Archy are inexperienced at mafia, and that you wouldn't know that Cops, and most of the time Docs, actions don't give any flavor to the person targeted. Obviously I realize this, but, he is desperate, and had to come up with something. And look at his on-the-fly RB claim. The likelihood of A)a game this small having 2 RBs and B)him being an RB and never successfully blocking anyone are practically nonexistant.
I'm starting to think that this is the case of "he who pointed fingers a bit too much"; if you throw suspicion onto another person, you can then feel free to do as you like. I'm pretty sure there's only one scum left; if we mis-lynch today, the town loses. (My logic behind this: three town, one mafia. Lynching town makes it two town, one mafia. One townie gets it tonight, and then the mafia guy hammers the last town giving them a victory. Ew.)
Pointing fingers has nothing to do with it. To put it flatly, had I not come out with guns blazing, the town would very likely have mislynched me by now. You yourself were voting for me based upon a statement that proves that I am *town*, not scum.
This is why I am being careful, considering all options. I really would like some more input from SG and Archy...especially Archy, as I completely believe him to be town and could use some support in trying to find the truth.
I understand the position you are in. It is a weighty circumstance indeed to make a lynching decision, knowing that the wrong decision will absolutely cause the town to lose the game. But the correct decision here is extremely obvious. SG has literally a laundry list of things that he is guilty of, and has not made even one accusation against myself nor HKKID. Just yesterday, HKKID was the most town person in the game in his eyes. He is simply saying whatever he needs to to fit the situation at hand, and hoping it doesn't catch up to him. But it has caught up to him. I'm an experienced player, and I see what is going on here.
Honestly, I thought about responding to this post and saying 'Take your time, I won't keep posting about all of this, I'm sure you'll make the right decision'. While I do have confidence that, in the end, you will see that the only logical conclusion to these events is that SG is scum and I am town, I find myself unable to sit by and hope that you both choose correctly without as much information as possible. Such is not in my nature. Look at what I have said in my posts. There is no deceit, no attempts to mislead. All I have done is point out scummy actions by SG, which he has either not anwered, or answered poorly. SG has lied at every single turn, and put forth answers that simply don't make any sense.
At this point, I am not sure who to choose from, despite the arguments from both Cyan and SG. In my eyes, both have acted scummy; both are equally suspicious due to their actions and their predecessors' actions.
I can accept that HKKID's actions made him suspicious to you. You really should take into account that HKKID was opposed to HRothgar being lynched, and lead the crusade against Cubus. Both of these were correct decisions, and it is highly unlikely that HKKID's play yesterday makes any sense as scum. Only one person's play yesterday makes sense as scum, and that is SG. Particularly the point where he singlehandedly lynches HRothgar, someone that was almost guaranteed to be town. It is very apparent that this was a desperation move that he partook in, in the same vote where he admits to lying about being vanilla and makes up a story about being a RB.
I am taking into account that lynching H'Roth-Gay yesterday was a really, really, really cruddy move. I thought it to be extremely scummy.
However, I also find the way you are reacting to this situation scummy. That probably doesn't make sense to you, but if you are the scum, this is LyOL for you too...so you would have to convince us of your innocence or risk losing youself.
And yes, no incantatrix for you. Or anyone. That class makes puppies cry. Mostly because they are the former Big Bads who have been Baleful Polymorphed into said puppies. By you. Because you're an incantatrix.
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This is Deraxas we're talking about.
Remember, the girl that just killed an aspect of herself before literally consuming her?
Yeah, I don't see her handling a pissing match in any way other than a duel.
Quote from RedDwarfian »
Yes mistress...
Quote from About epic-level D&D »
There are only so many epic, psuedonatural barbarian/blackguard half-dragon akutenshai vampire balor paragons they can throw at you, right?
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I suppose it's true. Though the logistics implied in a human/Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon pairing makes me shudder.
...Something tells me that even should all arcane casters in the world unite, that the Grease spell would NOT be sufficient.
Convince you of my innocence? What am I guilty of, exactly? I have been accused of absolutely nothing so far, that I have seen. On counterbalance to that, there is the fact that HKKID spearheaded the campaign against Cubus, and clearly defended H'Roth-Gar. Both of these moves are 100% pro-town, and neither of them make sense from a scum perspective. Especially the attack on Cubus.
HKKID already essentially proved his innocence by clearly knowing the role PM of a Vanilla townie.
And you're wrong about something. There is nothing 'scummy' about the way I have handled this situation so far. It absolutely could not be more obvious that SG is scum, and in any other game of mafia, he would have been lynched in rapid fashion today. The only hope that I have is that I can use my knowledge of mafia to illustrate to you guys that he has grossly manipulated your lackthereof with his own mafia experience. As I said yesterday, I replaced into a situation where I was perilously close to being lynched and the town losing. The way that I have acted thus far is natural. I have made a laundry list of accusations against SG. Those few that he responded to, he did so in a completely lackluster fashion. Since then, he hasn't posted here again. If he really was town, don't you think he'd be concerned with trying to convince you and Archy of my guilt? But he cannot, because he has nothing to accuse me of, and knows that he would have to answer for his own crimes. So he is lurking instead. Lurking is *always* a scummy thing to do, but it is significantly moreso in situations like this.
Speaking of lurking, it would be great to hear from Archy here. Everyone needs to participate. We are less than 24 hours from the lynch threhold being moved down, and that situation only benefits the scum, not the town.
Archy hasn't been on the site at all since his last post, and this is a critical juncture in this game? Can we get a replacement for him, and maybe a 2 day deadline before the lynch threshold changes, for that person to catch up?
And yes, no incantatrix for you. Or anyone. That class makes puppies cry. Mostly because they are the former Big Bads who have been Baleful Polymorphed into said puppies. By you. Because you're an incantatrix.
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This is Deraxas we're talking about.
Remember, the girl that just killed an aspect of herself before literally consuming her?
Yeah, I don't see her handling a pissing match in any way other than a duel.
Quote from RedDwarfian »
Yes mistress...
Quote from About epic-level D&D »
There are only so many epic, psuedonatural barbarian/blackguard half-dragon akutenshai vampire balor paragons they can throw at you, right?
Quote from Concerning breeding habits of humans in fantasy games »
I suppose it's true. Though the logistics implied in a human/Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon pairing makes me shudder.
...Something tells me that even should all arcane casters in the world unite, that the Grease spell would NOT be sufficient.
I seriously doubt there is anyone else in Archy's Clan who would be interested. It took me forever to get him to fill in for Krash. I'll ask, but do not hope. It has forsaken these lands.
Okay, this time I've been really away. I was pretty much computerless for the weekend, and up until recently I have had no internet whatsoever due to our phoneline being cut off and the phone company being too slow.
My opinion on the moment seems to rest with voting for SorryGuy. Before I left I got to read a couple posts, and there was one thing that piqued my interest - the thing about H'Roth-Gar, or however you spell that.
Reading on the past 2 pages of posts (somehow my browser is funny and can't quote stuff), I agree with what AoK said about H'Roth-Gar. Would'nt a townie be a last resort kill? That would've been one more confirmed town, and potentially another person who can help with input and stuff.
I can't say more right now since I'm dead tired, but my FoS: SorryGuy stands even bigger, and Cyan's is pretty much gone now.
And yes, no incantatrix for you. Or anyone. That class makes puppies cry. Mostly because they are the former Big Bads who have been Baleful Polymorphed into said puppies. By you. Because you're an incantatrix.
Quote from Yukora »
This is Deraxas we're talking about.
Remember, the girl that just killed an aspect of herself before literally consuming her?
Yeah, I don't see her handling a pissing match in any way other than a duel.
Quote from RedDwarfian »
Yes mistress...
Quote from About epic-level D&D »
There are only so many epic, psuedonatural barbarian/blackguard half-dragon akutenshai vampire balor paragons they can throw at you, right?
Quote from Concerning breeding habits of humans in fantasy games »
I suppose it's true. Though the logistics implied in a human/Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon pairing makes me shudder.
...Something tells me that even should all arcane casters in the world unite, that the Grease spell would NOT be sufficient.
Sorry guys, my PC is killing itself. I am on outdated Linux currently and will be for a few days but I will do what I can. Cyan, your case makes me physically angry after having read. The number of times you contradict yourself is so absurd that I can not stand it. I will address what I can, but you repeat yourself often, so if I missed something, please let me know.
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Some of these arguments might work against someone that doesn't know better. I'm not that someone, I have mafia experience. The argument that HRothGar 'had' to kill whom you guys said is rubbish. If he was scum, he would simply have stalled for a day, vigged someone, single-vote-lynched someone else, and the scum would win. And also, daykill is *almost always* a town ability, very rarely is it given to scum. You're not going to get away with peddling statistically invalid arguments against me, I know better.
Now you are just lieing and hoping that players who haven't played before will believe what you say does and doesn't happen. H'Roth would have had no chance to go to one vote, I know personally I would not have let him and requested to replace him if nessasary. I don't think that our host would stand for that behavior either. Plus, if he did that, the game would be more or less over the next day. And no, I have seen daykills on scum. I can dig through MS games if you want. I will just assume you will consede this point though.
Nice way to pass the buck to someone else. You still haven't explained why Loran claimed a unique role/PM, to which you then tried to claim Vanilla.
Yes, well, when replacing into a game I can't really take credit for what I didn't do. And yes, actually, I have explained such and you are just being stubborn. As a replacement I will just assume you missed it.
Of course he didn't talk about what was in his role PM. There would be no reason to do so. Then, after AoK discussed what was in her role PM, he realized that their PMs were essentially the same. Then he used this to catch you in a lie. Now Archy has come along and confirmed that he, too, has received the same message. The only logical conclusion is that all three are telling the truth, leaving you as the odd man out.
This is no logical, at all. All HKKID did was agree with what a confirmed vanilla was saying. It could be assumed that the PMs of vanillas would share many, if not all, traits. I would think HKKID wouldn't need to think about this, it should have been obvious from the beginning, no?
Please. Never do people that are investigated get informed of it. Almost never do people that are Doc protected get informed of it. Almost always, people that are roleblocked get informed of it. The dynamic of a roleblock is different than that of an investigation or a protection. Please, stop trying to use arguments that can't possibly work against someone that has any decent mafia experience. It's insulting.
I am insulted too. You are simply lieing here. People are not always informed of when they are blocked, this is especially true when it comes to vanillas who were using no abilities. And yes, it is somewhat uncommon for people to recieve these confirmations, but it does happen and you know it. And if it does happen, it is more likely that roleblocking gets confirmation too. If it doesn't happen, it is more likely that roleblocking doesn't get confirmation either.
Wow, way to try to turn this into an emotional battle against me. You praised his play in an obvious attempt to cover what was essentially a non-argument attack on him. You're contradicting yourself even now. You've praised him as the best townie all game, but are suddently convinced that he's scum? Seriously, if you cannot make a logical argument, don't make one at all. Banking on emotional response from people is as scummy as possible.
Um...no? This is such a misrepresentation and you know it. Of course I now know that you are scum, and you know why too. It is simple process of elimination and I layed it out early in the day. Archy can not be scum as I confirmed him last night. If you don't accept this, fine, but I know it to be true. AoK was investigated innocent by a confirmed cop. I know I am town, if you don't accept this, fine, but I know it to be true. As a result, I know that you are the last scum. How am I banking on emotional response by saying so? This whole paragraph is absurd.
It's not what the post was saying? Those are his *exact words from the post*. So yes, it is what the post is saying.
Now you are just hoping the other players won't look into your argument. Yes, it says that. But as I said, it says that at the beginning of the post. His overall message is not that, AT ALL. How can you read that post and get that meaning out of it? You can't, unless you are scum.
It is blatantly a fabrication, like everything you have said in the last two days. You got caught in a lie, and came up with 'I'm the town RB!' as a last ditch cover, knowing that the existence of a town RB was extremely unlikely, because A)the mafia had a roleblocker and B)no mention had ever been made of a town RB throughout the entire game.
We don't know what if any abilities you have, but it wouldn't surprise me if this ends up being a mafia that mirrors the town. And yes, the fact that no one was aware of me at all is why I didn't want to claim. But once I drew suspision it occured to me I could claim safely anyway.
@SG: I'm still waiting for you to make an actual case here. Saying 'HKKID must be the last scum because I know it isn't me!' means absolutely nothing. One day you're convinced that HKKID must be town, the next day you're doing a complete 180. Hell, Kenji said *exactly* the same as you did here regarding RafK recently in DotA Mafia. What was the end result? Kenji was scum.
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Here is the post that you make one post after the above:
I am condemning SG in entirety because he is the only one that can possibly be scum. Not only do all of his actions bear this out, but again, there is the vanilla flavor text situation. As town, it is a person's responsibility to hunt down scum. In this situation, it is necessary for me to be direct and aggressive. I replaced into a situation where the last scum of the game, SG, was one vote away from winning the game, and could acheive that vote in multiple ways. The dwindling clock leaves no room for missteps nor soft play.
You just did the exact same thing. I stated my process of elimination and you stated yours. But when I do it it is scummy and when you do it it is sound logic? And speaking of soft play, weren't you just saying that I would want to make the soft play right now?
Also, I know the results of DotA. I was in the game, as I believe you know. So why I want to replicate the play of a player there? I also want you to note here that HKKID had said that he felt loran* SorryGuy had played like a townie, until I lynched H'Roth.
Honestly, I thought about responding to this post and saying 'Take your time, I won't keep posting about all of this, I'm sure you'll make the right decision'. While I do have confidence that, in the end, you will see that the only logical conclusion to these events is that SG is scum and I am town, I find myself unable to sit by and hope that you both choose correctly without as much information as possible. Such is not in my nature. Look at what I have said in my posts. There is no deceit, no attempts to mislead. All I have done is point out scummy actions by SG, which he has either not anwered, or answered poorly. SG has lied at every single turn, and put forth answers that simply don't make any sense.
And what is this here, Cyan? Is this an appeal to emotions? And yes, actually, there were attempts at being misleading.
I can accept that HKKID's actions made him suspicious to you. You really should take into account that HKKID was opposed to HRothgar being lynched, and lead the crusade against Cubus. Both of these were correct decisions, and it is highly unlikely that HKKID's play yesterday makes any sense as scum.
This is a little WIFOM, is it not?
I am insulted that you accuse me of lurking. Not only does this not make sense, it is obviously not the case. You can ask anyone on this site who has me on AIM, there are quite a few of them, and you will see that I was not on since Friday. Check my MySpace. Check my profile here, which I am sure you did. I have never and will never attempt to lurk my way to victory in a game. I felt guilty throughout not having access. I actually hoped loran would have jumped back in here. Also, how would it help me to lurk at this point in the game? It wouldn't. I am one defending myself here, and dropping off the face of the earth would only allow you to make the misleading arguments against me that you have. Look outside the game and please retract that comment. Also note that when interested in games, I am always active. This is especially true in the endgame of games.
Now, as for your continued insistence that I make a case on you: I see what you are doing and I will not do it. I have made it clear I feel you have played well. You want me to contradict myself and say you are scummy and then jump on me for it. I won't do it. AoK has made some decent points against you, you can address those if you like. More than anything I just know you are scum. I can't prove it though, so the best I can do is defend myself. If I do it well enough, maybe Archy or AoK will believe me. And if they do, then you might be in trouble. But the best I can do is defend myself and that is what I am going to do.
I also ask that we leave the forty-eight hours of two votes open, or at least twenty-four hours of it. Also note I am running an old version of Firefox here so I wasn't able to spellcheck this as I usually do. I hope there are not too many errors.
Unfortunately, I may not be able to log-in from this point until the deadline to vote, so I might as well put it here, plain and simple rather than not even voting:
Vote: SorryGuy
I got in contact with one of our clan members (technically not my clan anymore, since I'm leaving at the end of this game), and he can obviously read the game better than me. I do not have time to go into detail, and I'm sorry for that, but having known what my fellow clanmate has said, it seems only the right choice to vote SG based on what he told me.
Upon seeing this new development, I am removing my vote from SG long enough for Cyan to answer to the post he made.
Unvote SG; FoS SG
maybe I'm being too cautious, but darn it, I want to win this thing, and I'm not going to be able to do that unless I can see through this web of lies and deception that's tangling up this place! One of you two is lying, and rather well, too. Guess I'll give whoever's scum credit for that- you're playing your role correctly.
I never expected to live this long...I especially never expected to be at the end, trying to discern the final mafia member from two VERY experienced players. Ouch for me, I guess.
And yes, no incantatrix for you. Or anyone. That class makes puppies cry. Mostly because they are the former Big Bads who have been Baleful Polymorphed into said puppies. By you. Because you're an incantatrix.
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Remember, the girl that just killed an aspect of herself before literally consuming her?
Yeah, I don't see her handling a pissing match in any way other than a duel.
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I suppose it's true. Though the logistics implied in a human/Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon pairing makes me shudder.
...Something tells me that even should all arcane casters in the world unite, that the Grease spell would NOT be sufficient.
Accusations fly fast and furious this day, confusion seems the rule, the wine in front flowing freely. Hot words are throw back and forth, everyone feeling the weight that lay upon this last choice - one misstep and who knows what Salvation might become?
Fortunately, justice prevails, and a heretofor mostly-silent member of the staff steps forward.
"I have been consulting the voices in my head, and while I don't care to repeat the conversation at present, I will say this: the last traitor has become obvious to us. . . uh, me."
There is a brief scuffle as another mod gets cold feet, but it is too late, the path chosen. SorryGuy, Xyre, Mafia Lynch Enforcer, has been lynched.
An uneasy silence settles between the remaining members of the staff. Is this truly the end of Salvation's woes? An even more grueling task remains - reconstructing the trust and faith in the mods that has been lost during these dark mo-, er, days.
And yes, no incantatrix for you. Or anyone. That class makes puppies cry. Mostly because they are the former Big Bads who have been Baleful Polymorphed into said puppies. By you. Because you're an incantatrix.
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Remember, the girl that just killed an aspect of herself before literally consuming her?
Yeah, I don't see her handling a pissing match in any way other than a duel.
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I suppose it's true. Though the logistics implied in a human/Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon pairing makes me shudder.
...Something tells me that even should all arcane casters in the world unite, that the Grease spell would NOT be sufficient.
Ironically, the mafia's chances were screwed by......CUBUS of all people, the guy representing the mafia clan.
That missed kill 2 nights ago? Cubus forgot to sendin the mafia night actions. WHOOPS!
@Cyan, incidentally, the mafia had no chance on the last day, so i told sg not to post much and hope you got so intense that AoK would vote you out of annoyance. Almost worked too.
@HKKID if he's watching-So I'm in a game with HKKID, and ZDS and him are talking a little in game, and ZDS mentions how in his one experience as a mafia member with me that I tried to sell out a mafia member to look townie. I almost threw up....that's exactly what i did to stormblind here. Why'd i sell out SB? Look at his first 8 posts, he ties me and glork together like twice. I wanted to kill him.
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@Cyan, incidentally, the mafia had no chance on the last day, so i told sg not to post much and hope you got so intense that AoK would vote you out of annoyance. Almost worked too.
Oh, yes, it almost worked.:p I wasn't 100% sure, and I almost screwed everything up when I tried to unvote to get the "Rest of the Story"....but it turned out good. Whew. Mafia's a hell of a lot harder than it looks.
And yes, no incantatrix for you. Or anyone. That class makes puppies cry. Mostly because they are the former Big Bads who have been Baleful Polymorphed into said puppies. By you. Because you're an incantatrix.
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Remember, the girl that just killed an aspect of herself before literally consuming her?
Yeah, I don't see her handling a pissing match in any way other than a duel.
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I suppose it's true. Though the logistics implied in a human/Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon pairing makes me shudder.
...Something tells me that even should all arcane casters in the world unite, that the Grease spell would NOT be sufficient.
Oh, yes, it almost worked.:p I wasn't 100% sure, and I almost screwed everything up when I tried to unvote to get the "Rest of the Story"....but it turned out good. Whew. Mafia's a hell of a lot harder than it looks.
I've played with cyan a ton...he tends to get intense but he's a better player than me. Still, knowing you as a new player, jen, who probably doesnt like intense shouting matches, i was hoping you'd vote the other way.
And maybe you can stick around and play some actual mafia games :-P
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Sinking Feeling = When Cubus, then Sorryguy straight after claimed things inconsistent with their predecessor for no reason.
Made me a sad panda.
Agreed. HKKID did catch my subclaim of xyre...but i didmean to claim vanilla. Seriously, xyre getting depowered "sadly makes my role now fit the character".
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
I'm just glad I was able to keep going what should have been a very obvious town win. When I came in, things seemed pretty grim to me, and it was pretty mindboggling..it was extremely clear that SG was scum. I knew that there was a chance that my playstyle was going to give AoK/Archy the wrong impression, but, I'm most zealous when I'm town, and was prepared to bring that up if it became an issue.
@Archy: Who is it in your Clan that gave you the head's up here? I want to thank them. It really could not have been more obvious that SG was scum. It wasn't entirely his fault, because he really got caught by all of the Vanilla Town having the same role PM, and from there he just kept making mistakes. But it was clear that he was trying to take advantage of everyone else having no mafia experience..and it probably would have worked had I not had to replace for HKKID. I think he could have made it harder if he would have had a different false claim, and lynching Hrothgar at the same time was a pretty big giveaway. It seems like he just panicked.
I'm glad the town won as well; I almost screwed it all up!
It was difficult for me, at the end...I had been trying to wagon HKKID for half the game, it seemed, and it kept going nowhere. Good reason for that, it turns out, but I do have to say that there's a fair chance I'll try playing another game, because this was interesting and fun.
And yes, no incantatrix for you. Or anyone. That class makes puppies cry. Mostly because they are the former Big Bads who have been Baleful Polymorphed into said puppies. By you. Because you're an incantatrix.
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This is Deraxas we're talking about.
Remember, the girl that just killed an aspect of herself before literally consuming her?
Yeah, I don't see her handling a pissing match in any way other than a duel.
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There are only so many epic, psuedonatural barbarian/blackguard half-dragon akutenshai vampire balor paragons they can throw at you, right?
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I suppose it's true. Though the logistics implied in a human/Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon pairing makes me shudder.
...Something tells me that even should all arcane casters in the world unite, that the Grease spell would NOT be sufficient.
It definitely is both. I'd recommend trying a newbie game when a new one starts. If I hadn't played a newbie game first, when I played my first real mafia game, I would have been completely and utterly lost.
And yes, no incantatrix for you. Or anyone. That class makes puppies cry. Mostly because they are the former Big Bads who have been Baleful Polymorphed into said puppies. By you. Because you're an incantatrix.
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This is Deraxas we're talking about.
Remember, the girl that just killed an aspect of herself before literally consuming her?
Yeah, I don't see her handling a pissing match in any way other than a duel.
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Yes mistress...
Quote from About epic-level D&D »
There are only so many epic, psuedonatural barbarian/blackguard half-dragon akutenshai vampire balor paragons they can throw at you, right?
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I suppose it's true. Though the logistics implied in a human/Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon pairing makes me shudder.
...Something tells me that even should all arcane casters in the world unite, that the Grease spell would NOT be sufficient.
I never really panicked Cyan, I knew what I was doing the whole time. But when the whole vanilla thing came down on me, I had no choice. I knew I was about to be lynched so I figured I would take my chances in a situation where there were only one person who would see I was obviously scum. I am pretty disappointed and upset though that HKKID got replaced on the last day. Why exactly did this happen, it was never said in thread? I had my goals on how to win all set up, but that replacement totally changed things. Once Cyan was in the game, I more or less knew I was going to loss. So, as loran said, we decided to just try and troll you into looking horrible.
I mean, I knew by the time Cubus died that I was not going to win the game. But I figured I would gambit it out. So yeah, most of Cyan's arguments were true. I was appealing to emotions. I was using a bunch of WIFOM logic, although he didn't jump on that a lot. I still wish that I hadn't died so soon, I really did want to pull the game out. And I think it was possible. It helps, Cyan, that not all of your arguments were actually good ones. I stand by about half of what I was saying, but I guess that is niether here nor there.
Overall, the missed kill is most disappointing. But such is life, I guess. I am also not so sure how fair 10-3 is given the the abilities we have. The deadlines are nice, but they don't really help us all that much.
So how exactly are clan points being given out for this game? I don't remember it being stated and it would seem as though it would be difficult to do so.
Overall, the missed kill is most disappointing. But such is life, I guess. I am also not so sure how fair 10-3 is given the the abilities we have. The deadlines are nice, but they don't really help us all that much.
I thought Lynch Enforcing + deadline was pretty swingy, Stormblind just kind of tossed that out the window (lynch enforcing only worked if Xyre didn't perform the kill).
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So how exactly are clan points being given out for this game? I don't remember it being stated and it would seem as though it would be difficult to do so.
We dunno. There was some attempt to hash it out in the setup forum, but ultimately Yukora is/was going to decide.
I do think the players should decide town/scum MVP, though, + those kids' clans get props.
The Greeks kept at the game the whole way through, it was great fun reading their discussion forum. I wonder at the outcome here, had all the Clans had backed their players in the same manner!
I thought Lynch Enforcing + deadline was pretty swingy, Stormblind just kind of tossed that out the window (lynch enforcing only worked if Xyre didn't perform the kill).
We dunno. There was some attempt to hash it out in the setup forum, but ultimately Yukora is/was going to decide.
I do think the players should decide town/scum MVP, though, + those kids' clans get props.
The Greeks kept at the game the whole way through, it was great fun reading their discussion forum. I wonder at the outcome here, had all the Clans had backed their players in the same manner!
Heh. I should've read that. Sadly and im biassed, scum MVP has to be SG/loran. Not because we played well, but rather because stormblind was awful, and cubus proceded to give away any shot we had. Maybe we dont deserve a scum MVP.
Town LVP id give to Urza. Dood, way to give away being the cop!
Town MVP- probably HKKID/cyan, who was one of the two town to try and drive the town toward the right conclusion, the other being wamyc.
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@ Cyan - It was me who told Archy to vote SG. While I'm in actuality a really bad mafia player, I''d been reading the game, and SG/loran were just inconsistent - and why does a townie need to be inconsistent, when they had nothing to hide?
And yes, no incantatrix for you. Or anyone. That class makes puppies cry. Mostly because they are the former Big Bads who have been Baleful Polymorphed into said puppies. By you. Because you're an incantatrix.
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This is Deraxas we're talking about.
Remember, the girl that just killed an aspect of herself before literally consuming her?
Yeah, I don't see her handling a pissing match in any way other than a duel.
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Yes mistress...
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There are only so many epic, psuedonatural barbarian/blackguard half-dragon akutenshai vampire balor paragons they can throw at you, right?
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I suppose it's true. Though the logistics implied in a human/Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon pairing makes me shudder.
...Something tells me that even should all arcane casters in the world unite, that the Grease spell would NOT be sufficient.
Ugh... SorryGuy was soooooo scummy near the end there, and I was afraid AoK was leaning towards Cyan.]
I know I was scummy. Ask the host about my PMs to him. I had to be scummy if we had any chance at all of winning. So please, don't tell me I played badly here. I play in the only manner that left victory possible.
Also, AoK, the missing kill that you mention in your voting for the clan contest can not be blamed on the team, Cubus said he was sending it before the deadline came and then waited until after the deadline to submit it. That is not a team problem, it is an accident by one player. I also do not think that voting for no one is fair to the clans that were assigned scum roles.
man, if only i hadn't have messed up in newb #12
I had been suspicious of loran, and when he didn't answer my questions and then had sorryguy replace him, I had a pretty good feeling that sorryguy was scum.
i think mirari and i did good as the doc. Got roleblocked on night 2, but we accuratly picked the right people each night.
man, if only i hadn't have messed up in newb #12
I had been suspicious of loran, and when he didn't answer my questions and then had sorryguy replace him, I had a pretty good feeling that sorryguy was scum.
and why would sorryguy roleblock archy? I had already cleared krashbot on night 1 so we knew he wasn't going to be nightkilling anyone...and i kept on waiting for someone to bring that up
i think mirari and i did good as the doc. Got roleblocked on night 2, but we accuratly picked the right people each night.
Actually no. You accurately picked day 1, and then night 3 cubus forgot to put in the kill or the roleblock. So you didnt really have that perfect effect.
Still goood now.
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Actually no. You accurately picked day 1, and then night 3 cubus forgot to put in the kill or the roleblock. So you didnt really have that perfect effect.
Still goood now.
WIFOM is a good tactic to use in this kind of situation(you against a bunch of huge inexperienced people), because it is fairly difficult for anyone opposing to explain what WIFOM really is, why such arguments are bad, etc.
Sinking Feeling = When Cubus, then Sorryguy straight after claimed things inconsistent with their predecessor for no reason.
Made me a sad panda.
I think this was a game of the mafia simply needing to keep their head down more. With the low level of activity, the scum could have simply said and done much less and gotten away with it. Whenever someone ended up making a very complicated case, the scumminess showed very clearly in the rank inconsistencies and ad hoc reasoning.
The Greeks kept at the game the whole way through, it was great fun reading their discussion forum. I wonder at the outcome here, had all the Clans had backed their players in the same manner!
We decided not to use the google group, but I got about a dozen PMs on the subject from my clan members.
I tried to open the Contest Setup GG to general browsing, but Google is stroppy, so here they are:
Welcome to Clan Contest Mafia, ___________! You are ________, Vanilla Townie.
You have no special game-related abilities, but you do have high hopes that this whole situation can be resolved by talking it out like mature adults. Good luck!
You win when all the scum are dead, whether you are alive or not.
That troublesome middle paragraph. I'd reveal the vanilla pm in any future game just to keep that discussion squashed, it's just a modkill nightmare + dull to read.
Welcome to Clan Contest Mafia, Miriari! You are Dr. Tom, Townie
Doctor.
You may not have a Medical Degree, but you're apparently a licensed doctor anyway, in addition to being the moderator of the Extended forums. Your status as Rules Guru extends beyond the realm of Magic, though, as you can also use your extensive knowledge of the more obscure rules to help fight the tide of reckless bannings that has taken place recently.
Each night, you may submit the name of a player. Their account will be granted immunity from banning that night, ensuring their survival. However, due to forum guidelines (which, as a rules-oriented guy, you're honour-bound to follow) you cannot protect yourself.
You win when all the scum have been eliminated, whether you're alive or not.
Yes, the Rules Guy role broke the rules twice *poke*
Welcome to Clan Contest Mafia, Stormblind! You are fadeblue, Mafia Godfather.
Your purview as moderator covers the all of Forum Games, but your true calling has always been the game of Mafia. You love it, love it, love it, and your greatest wish is to see more of the MTGS community playing along with you. In fact, why should MTGS even be a Magic site? Why not make it one big Mafia forum? Sounds good to you. If you have to eliminate some of the other moderators in order to get your way, then so be it. You've even managed to convince two of the other moderators, Woapalanne (played by AjaxUD) and Xyre (played by loran16) to assist you in your devious endeavors. Each night, you can dispatch one of your group to remove another player from the game.
As Godfather and leader of the Mafia, it is your responsibility to submit your Mafia's choices via PM to the mod each night. In addition, your ability to keep up a legitimate front as impartial mod of Forum Games means that on any night you aren't personally performing the mafia kill, you will appear innocent to investigations. Just a reminder - you may only communicate with the other members of the Mafia at night.
You win when the number of living Mafia are equal to or outnumber the other living players, whether you are alive or not.
Welcome to Clan Contest Mafia, Shadowlord. You are Feyd_Ruin, Townie Cop.
As MTGS's resident £€€+ Häxxør, your moderation mostly covers technical matters. But rather than use your nefarious häxx for evil, you've decided to take the fight to those responsible for the recent spate of mystery bannings and account deletions.
During each night phase, you may submit the name of a player. By häcking into their account and viewing their userdata, you'll be able to determine if that player's recent forum behaviors have something to do with these bannings or not. Be careful, though - while your mad häxxør skillz are quite formidable, they are not infallible.
You win when all the scum have been eliminated, whether you're alive or not.
Welcome to Clan Contest Mafia, H'Roth-Gar! You are Lesurgo, Townie 1-Shot Day Vigilante.
It's been an interesting couple of months since you've made Administrator - you still haven't had a chance to closely examine all the bells and whistles that come with your title, every day finds something else on your plate, and now it seems like things are only going to get stranger. . . but that doesn't have to be a bad thing. In fact, you've been just itching to try something you discovered during your first romp through all the tabs and subsections of the Admin Panel of Doom - THE HELLBAN. One press and POW! Oh, how cool is that? But is it real? Does it work on anyone? This little escapade gripping the forum might be just the opportunity you've been hanging out for. . .
At any time during the Day (including Twilight) you may post HELLBAN:PLAYER (in bold, orange text, substuting 'Player' for any player's name), that player will be removed from the game. Since it is your personal policy to Never, Ever Swear, you're only willing to make an exception this ONCE because it'd be so cool to see.
You win when all the scum have been eliminated, whether you're alive or not.
Welcome to Clan Contest Mafia, Soul_Grind! You are Nai, Inspired Townie.
A change is upon the wind. . . Yes, you can sense it, and even were it not bristling every hair of your soft, vermillion pelt, there would be no denying the strange air that has recently fallen across Salvation, no, something sinister has cast its shadow across the forum. . . yet what can one anthropomorphoid fox do? You need only an a flickering moment's inspiration, the chance to take hold this situation and, drawing upon the lifeline and connection that you have with the swirling mists at the edges of reality. . . Yes! You are positive that there will be an opportunity for you to thwart this evil which even now moves against our beloved forum. . . if only you could think of where to start. . .
For now, you have no abilities, but the Future is Ever In Motion, and truly, none know what it may hold for them.
You win when all the scum have been eliminated, whether you're alive or not.
I was very sad when the backup requested to be modkilled. Nai PMs woulda been fun to keep writing ;_;
Welcome to Clan Contest Mafia, Hunted Charlie! You are rancored_elf, Townie Miller.
After all the schenanigans surrounding the early leak of those damned Time Spiral playtest cards, there's been a growing murmur of doubt about where your loyalties lay - with Salvation, and the free dissention of information and spoilery goodness for all, or with WotC, who have probably brainwashed you into serving their nefarious purposes, dobbing in sources and ratting out mods who Know to Much. . . that's quite silly of course, you still love spoilers as much as ever. You've just been tagged as a troublemaker by the Powers That Be, is all.
Still, that doubt remains. . . If you are targetted by an investigative role, you will appear to be murderous scum. Your townie alignment will only be revealed upon your death.
You win when all the scum have been eliminated, whether you're alive or not.
Miller was self-aware for nublet balancing.
Welcome to Clan Contest Mafia, AjaxUD! You are Woapalanne, Mafia Roleblocker.
As one of MTGS's finest minds when it comes to Magic rules, you've spent most of your days modding the Rulings and Custom Cards forums. And yet, you've always hungered for more power - the power not just to
understand the rules, but to make them. When the moderator of Forum Games, fadeblue (played by Stormblind), approached you with his plans to take over the MTGS forums, you readily agreed. The two of
you, along with Xyre (played by loran16), have formed an insidious Mafia, and each Night, you may confer among yourselves and send one of your number out to eliminate another player.
In addition, due to the sheer scariness of THAT avatar's eyes, on any night you aren't making the kill for the Mafia, you can submit the name of another player to the mod to prevent that player from performing their night actions. Just a reminder - you may only communicate with the other members of the Mafia at night.
You win when the Mafia equal or outnumber the other players, whether you're alive or not.
ferro already posted this as a link, but here it is again!
Welcome to Clan Contest Mafia, loran16! You are Xyre, Mafia Lynch Enforcer.
Huh. Feels like a slump. The Debate Forum is chock-a-block with active discussions, and still you can't help but feel a bit of dissapointment at the noticeable lack of randoms driven to a meltdown recently; just the usual tl;dr, NO U and so on. Blood Moon Mafia has been deliciously bizarre, yet you feel there would be some way to take it even further, to truly re-write the rules. Luckily enough, just when boredom was ready to drive you to some desperate and, dare you say, crazy action, fadeblue (played by Stormblind) came to you with a delightful means and a dangerously serious will to poke the wasps nest, as it were. Seems Woapalanne (played by AjaxUD) is up for a round of rile-the-peasants as well. . .
As Lynch Enforcer, your presence during the day ensures that the number of players required to lynch is lowered by one, as long as you did not perform the mafia kill on the previous night. Just a reminder - you may only communicate with the other members of the Mafia at night.
You win when the number of living Mafia are equal to or outnumber the other living players, whether you are alive or not.
Had a 14th clan signed on, there would have been an additional Sneakyhomunculus SK role. Didn't look like we'd get that many, so the PM was never written, but I was pestering Sneaky to write me up a self-congratulating paragraph in Dutch (Sneak is SO COOL, Sneaky listens to KITTY BREAD ROCK MUSIC, etc) with a SK ability/win condition tacked on the end.
I think we could have taken the nameclaims a little more seriously in the end. Of course the choices for the flavor of the names seems obvious now, but maybe it wasn't so clear in the game. I am glad to see what inspired townie meant,
but man! there were a lot of substitutions. Kind of a pain to follow, actually.
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Some of these arguments might work against someone that doesn't know better. I'm not that someone, I have mafia experience. The argument that HRothGar 'had' to kill whom you guys said is rubbish. If he was scum, he would simply have stalled for a day, vigged someone, single-vote-lynched someone else, and the scum would win. And also, daykill is *almost always* a town ability, very rarely is it given to scum. You're not going to get away with peddling statistically invalid arguments against me, I know better.
Nice way to pass the buck to someone else. You still haven't explained why Loran claimed a unique role/PM, to which you then tried to claim Vanilla.
I'll concede this point, I didn't know that clan mates could help each other.
Of course he didn't talk about what was in his role PM. There would be no reason to do so. Then, after AoK discussed what was in her role PM, he realized that their PMs were essentially the same. Then he used this to catch you in a lie. Now Archy has come along and confirmed that he, too, has received the same message. The only logical conclusion is that all three are telling the truth, leaving you as the odd man out.
Please. Never do people that are investigated get informed of it. Almost never do people that are Doc protected get informed of it. Almost always, people that are roleblocked get informed of it. The dynamic of a roleblock is different than that of an investigation or a protection. Please, stop trying to use arguments that can't possibly work against someone that has any decent mafia experience. It's insulting.
Bull. Stalling is ridiculously easy in mafia, and people in this game are clearly reluctant to place votes.
Wow, way to try to turn this into an emotional battle against me. You praised his play in an obvious attempt to cover what was essentially a non-argument attack on him. You're contradicting yourself even now. You've praised him as the best townie all game, but are suddently convinced that he's scum? Seriously, if you cannot make a logical argument, don't make one at all. Banking on emotional response from people is as scummy as possible.
It's not what the post was saying? Those are his *exact words from the post*. So yes, it is what the post is saying.
It is blatantly a fabrication, like everything you have said in the last two days. You got caught in a lie, and came up with 'I'm the town RB!' as a last ditch cover, knowing that the existence of a town RB was extremely unlikely, because A)the mafia had a roleblocker and B)no mention had ever been made of a town RB throughout the entire game.
I don't need to use emotions, my statements are all based upon logic. Logic which is sound. All of the statements you have made today have been based off of an emotional standpoint. And you called them out as sheep, which essentially shames them from making the best play to begin with.
This argument is very frustrating. All of your arguments take gross advantage of the fact that AoK and archy are very inexperienced at mafia. The emotional arguments, the fact that you lied, got caught, and just tried to make up a cover. The fact that you lynched Hrothgar, someone who there was virtually no chance could be scum. Etcetera, etcetera. Your actions are, without a doubt, the scummiest I have seen in my entire time playing mafia.
@SG: I'm still waiting for you to make an actual case here. Saying 'HKKID must be the last scum because I know it isn't me!' means absolutely nothing. One day you're convinced that HKKID must be town, the next day you're doing a complete 180. Hell, Kenji said *exactly* the same as you did here regarding RafK recently in DotA Mafia. What was the end result? Kenji was scum.
I believe Archy to be town. It's now between you two, and I'll figure out who it is.
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I am cutting this day short if posts don't increase.
Your claim of vanilla could be the direct result of Archy and my own...you've been given plenty of information to be able to bluff it out, partially because of me. It seems extremely easy to claim whatever you like when there's no one that can verify it- all people who can verify roles are dead.
On another note, I believe I was asked if I recieved a PM when the cop investigated me. Nope, nothing. It was by that same cop's actions that got the wagon OFF me (led by HKKID) and led to his early demise.
I'm starting to think that this is the case of "he who pointed fingers a bit too much"; if you throw suspicion onto another person, you can then feel free to do as you like. I'm pretty sure there's only one scum left; if we mis-lynch today, the town loses. (My logic behind this: three town, one mafia. Lynching town makes it two town, one mafia. One townie gets it tonight, and then the mafia guy hammers the last town giving them a victory. Ew.)
This is why I am being careful, considering all options. I really would like some more input from SG and Archy...especially Archy, as I completely believe him to be town and could use some support in trying to find the truth.
At this point, I am not sure who to choose from, despite the arguments from both Cyan and SG. In my eyes, both have acted scummy; both are equally suspicious due to their actions and their predecessors' actions.
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I am condemning SG in entirety because he is the only one that can possibly be scum. Not only do all of his actions bear this out, but again, there is the vanilla flavor text situation. As town, it is a person's responsibility to hunt down scum. In this situation, it is necessary for me to be direct and aggressive. I replaced into a situation where the last scum of the game, SG, was one vote away from winning the game, and could acheive that vote in multiple ways. The dwindling clock leaves no room for missteps nor soft play.
HKKID claimed Vanilla before anyone else, the way I understand it. He stated that he had the same mature discussion bit in his role PM after you came forth about having it. Archy has only recently confirmed that he ALSO had this PM. To assert that HKKID would have taken a chance and lied about having the same role information as another, in order to try and hopefully catch a townie lying about being vanilla? This makes no sense whatsoever. However, if HKKID was town and recognized a piece of information from AoK's role PM that was also in his role PM and tried to trap SG with it, that makes perfect sense. And that is exactly what happened, and it has been further verified by Archy stating that he also has the same information in his role PM.
As I stated in response to SG asking this, it means absolutely nothing that you weren't told when you were investigated. No one is *ever* told they are investigated, with the exception of roles that have a special trigger that lets them know when they are targeted by other players, and by what ability. This role is fairly rare, and is certainly not the case here. The same applies to Doctor protection. SG is using those examples to cover for the fact that his theoretical roleblocks don't tell the person they are blocked, even though, more often than not, people that are roleblocked are informed of such. He is preying on the fact that you and Archy are inexperienced at mafia, and that you wouldn't know that Cops, and most of the time Docs, actions don't give any flavor to the person targeted. Obviously I realize this, but, he is desperate, and had to come up with something. And look at his on-the-fly RB claim. The likelihood of A)a game this small having 2 RBs and B)him being an RB and never successfully blocking anyone are practically nonexistant.
Pointing fingers has nothing to do with it. To put it flatly, had I not come out with guns blazing, the town would very likely have mislynched me by now. You yourself were voting for me based upon a statement that proves that I am *town*, not scum.
I understand the position you are in. It is a weighty circumstance indeed to make a lynching decision, knowing that the wrong decision will absolutely cause the town to lose the game. But the correct decision here is extremely obvious. SG has literally a laundry list of things that he is guilty of, and has not made even one accusation against myself nor HKKID. Just yesterday, HKKID was the most town person in the game in his eyes. He is simply saying whatever he needs to to fit the situation at hand, and hoping it doesn't catch up to him. But it has caught up to him. I'm an experienced player, and I see what is going on here.
Honestly, I thought about responding to this post and saying 'Take your time, I won't keep posting about all of this, I'm sure you'll make the right decision'. While I do have confidence that, in the end, you will see that the only logical conclusion to these events is that SG is scum and I am town, I find myself unable to sit by and hope that you both choose correctly without as much information as possible. Such is not in my nature. Look at what I have said in my posts. There is no deceit, no attempts to mislead. All I have done is point out scummy actions by SG, which he has either not anwered, or answered poorly. SG has lied at every single turn, and put forth answers that simply don't make any sense.
I can accept that HKKID's actions made him suspicious to you. You really should take into account that HKKID was opposed to HRothgar being lynched, and lead the crusade against Cubus. Both of these were correct decisions, and it is highly unlikely that HKKID's play yesterday makes any sense as scum. Only one person's play yesterday makes sense as scum, and that is SG. Particularly the point where he singlehandedly lynches HRothgar, someone that was almost guaranteed to be town. It is very apparent that this was a desperation move that he partook in, in the same vote where he admits to lying about being vanilla and makes up a story about being a RB.
However, I also find the way you are reacting to this situation scummy. That probably doesn't make sense to you, but if you are the scum, this is LyOL for you too...so you would have to convince us of your innocence or risk losing youself.
"I am in the arcane, and the arcane is in me."
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HKKID already essentially proved his innocence by clearly knowing the role PM of a Vanilla townie.
And you're wrong about something. There is nothing 'scummy' about the way I have handled this situation so far. It absolutely could not be more obvious that SG is scum, and in any other game of mafia, he would have been lynched in rapid fashion today. The only hope that I have is that I can use my knowledge of mafia to illustrate to you guys that he has grossly manipulated your lackthereof with his own mafia experience. As I said yesterday, I replaced into a situation where I was perilously close to being lynched and the town losing. The way that I have acted thus far is natural. I have made a laundry list of accusations against SG. Those few that he responded to, he did so in a completely lackluster fashion. Since then, he hasn't posted here again. If he really was town, don't you think he'd be concerned with trying to convince you and Archy of my guilt? But he cannot, because he has nothing to accuse me of, and knows that he would have to answer for his own crimes. So he is lurking instead. Lurking is *always* a scummy thing to do, but it is significantly moreso in situations like this.
Speaking of lurking, it would be great to hear from Archy here. Everyone needs to participate. We are less than 24 hours from the lynch threhold being moved down, and that situation only benefits the scum, not the town.
I plead inexperience and the need to have INPUT on this. Seriously.
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Okay, this time I've been really away. I was pretty much computerless for the weekend, and up until recently I have had no internet whatsoever due to our phoneline being cut off and the phone company being too slow.
My opinion on the moment seems to rest with voting for SorryGuy. Before I left I got to read a couple posts, and there was one thing that piqued my interest - the thing about H'Roth-Gar, or however you spell that.
Reading on the past 2 pages of posts (somehow my browser is funny and can't quote stuff), I agree with what AoK said about H'Roth-Gar. Would'nt a townie be a last resort kill? That would've been one more confirmed town, and potentially another person who can help with input and stuff.
I can't say more right now since I'm dead tired, but my FoS: SorryGuy stands even bigger, and Cyan's is pretty much gone now.
lunchlynch-drop!Vote: SorryGuy
If I get killed tonight, I'll come back to haunt you all.:p
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Glad to see that people are realizing that I'm right about SG also.
@Mod: Has a lynch-drop already happened and we're waiting for the second one?
Now you are just lieing and hoping that players who haven't played before will believe what you say does and doesn't happen. H'Roth would have had no chance to go to one vote, I know personally I would not have let him and requested to replace him if nessasary. I don't think that our host would stand for that behavior either. Plus, if he did that, the game would be more or less over the next day. And no, I have seen daykills on scum. I can dig through MS games if you want. I will just assume you will consede this point though.
Yes, well, when replacing into a game I can't really take credit for what I didn't do. And yes, actually, I have explained such and you are just being stubborn. As a replacement I will just assume you missed it.
This is no logical, at all. All HKKID did was agree with what a confirmed vanilla was saying. It could be assumed that the PMs of vanillas would share many, if not all, traits. I would think HKKID wouldn't need to think about this, it should have been obvious from the beginning, no?
I am insulted too. You are simply lieing here. People are not always informed of when they are blocked, this is especially true when it comes to vanillas who were using no abilities. And yes, it is somewhat uncommon for people to recieve these confirmations, but it does happen and you know it. And if it does happen, it is more likely that roleblocking gets confirmation too. If it doesn't happen, it is more likely that roleblocking doesn't get confirmation either.
Um...no? This is such a misrepresentation and you know it. Of course I now know that you are scum, and you know why too. It is simple process of elimination and I layed it out early in the day. Archy can not be scum as I confirmed him last night. If you don't accept this, fine, but I know it to be true. AoK was investigated innocent by a confirmed cop. I know I am town, if you don't accept this, fine, but I know it to be true. As a result, I know that you are the last scum. How am I banking on emotional response by saying so? This whole paragraph is absurd.
Now you are just hoping the other players won't look into your argument. Yes, it says that. But as I said, it says that at the beginning of the post. His overall message is not that, AT ALL. How can you read that post and get that meaning out of it? You can't, unless you are scum.
We don't know what if any abilities you have, but it wouldn't surprise me if this ends up being a mafia that mirrors the town. And yes, the fact that no one was aware of me at all is why I didn't want to claim. But once I drew suspision it occured to me I could claim safely anyway.
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Here is the post that you make one post after the above:
You just did the exact same thing. I stated my process of elimination and you stated yours. But when I do it it is scummy and when you do it it is sound logic? And speaking of soft play, weren't you just saying that I would want to make the soft play right now?
Also, I know the results of DotA. I was in the game, as I believe you know. So why I want to replicate the play of a player there? I also want you to note here that HKKID had said that he felt loran* SorryGuy had played like a townie, until I lynched H'Roth.
And what is this here, Cyan? Is this an appeal to emotions? And yes, actually, there were attempts at being misleading.
This is a little WIFOM, is it not?
I am insulted that you accuse me of lurking. Not only does this not make sense, it is obviously not the case. You can ask anyone on this site who has me on AIM, there are quite a few of them, and you will see that I was not on since Friday. Check my MySpace. Check my profile here, which I am sure you did. I have never and will never attempt to lurk my way to victory in a game. I felt guilty throughout not having access. I actually hoped loran would have jumped back in here. Also, how would it help me to lurk at this point in the game? It wouldn't. I am one defending myself here, and dropping off the face of the earth would only allow you to make the misleading arguments against me that you have. Look outside the game and please retract that comment. Also note that when interested in games, I am always active. This is especially true in the endgame of games.
Now, as for your continued insistence that I make a case on you: I see what you are doing and I will not do it. I have made it clear I feel you have played well. You want me to contradict myself and say you are scummy and then jump on me for it. I won't do it. AoK has made some decent points against you, you can address those if you like. More than anything I just know you are scum. I can't prove it though, so the best I can do is defend myself. If I do it well enough, maybe Archy or AoK will believe me. And if they do, then you might be in trouble. But the best I can do is defend myself and that is what I am going to do.
I also ask that we leave the forty-eight hours of two votes open, or at least twenty-four hours of it. Also note I am running an old version of Firefox here so I wasn't able to spellcheck this as I usually do. I hope there are not too many errors.
Vote: SorryGuy
I got in contact with one of our clan members (technically not my clan anymore, since I'm leaving at the end of this game), and he can obviously read the game better than me. I do not have time to go into detail, and I'm sorry for that, but having known what my fellow clanmate has said, it seems only the right choice to vote SG based on what he told me.
Unvote SG; FoS SG
maybe I'm being too cautious, but darn it, I want to win this thing, and I'm not going to be able to do that unless I can see through this web of lies and deception that's tangling up this place! One of you two is lying, and rather well, too. Guess I'll give whoever's scum credit for that- you're playing your role correctly.
I never expected to live this long...I especially never expected to be at the end, trying to discern the final mafia member from two VERY experienced players. Ouch for me, I guess.
"I am in the arcane, and the arcane is in me."
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Accusations fly fast and furious this day, confusion seems the rule, the wine in front flowing freely. Hot words are throw back and forth, everyone feeling the weight that lay upon this last choice - one misstep and who knows what Salvation might become?
Fortunately, justice prevails, and a heretofor mostly-silent member of the staff steps forward.
"I have been consulting the voices in my head, and while I don't care to repeat the conversation at present, I will say this: the last traitor has become obvious to us. . . uh, me."
There is a brief scuffle as another mod gets cold feet, but it is too late, the path chosen. SorryGuy, Xyre, Mafia Lynch Enforcer, has been lynched.
An uneasy silence settles between the remaining members of the staff. Is this truly the end of Salvation's woes? An even more grueling task remains - reconstructing the trust and faith in the mods that has been lost during these dark
mo-, er, days.The mafia Mafia has been thwarted, Town Wins!
http://groups.google.com/group/clan-contest-mafia
If people are too lazy to dig for it, I will post the setup etc here.
O_O
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That missed kill 2 nights ago? Cubus forgot to sendin the mafia night actions. WHOOPS!
@Cyan, incidentally, the mafia had no chance on the last day, so i told sg not to post much and hope you got so intense that AoK would vote you out of annoyance. Almost worked too.
@HKKID if he's watching-So I'm in a game with HKKID, and ZDS and him are talking a little in game, and ZDS mentions how in his one experience as a mafia member with me that I tried to sell out a mafia member to look townie. I almost threw up....that's exactly what i did to stormblind here. Why'd i sell out SB? Look at his first 8 posts, he ties me and glork together like twice. I wanted to kill him.
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
Oh, yes, it almost worked.:p I wasn't 100% sure, and I almost screwed everything up when I tried to unvote to get the "Rest of the Story"....but it turned out good. Whew. Mafia's a hell of a lot harder than it looks.
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I've played with cyan a ton...he tends to get intense but he's a better player than me. Still, knowing you as a new player, jen, who probably doesnt like intense shouting matches, i was hoping you'd vote the other way.
And maybe you can stick around and play some actual mafia games :-P
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
Agreed. HKKID did catch my subclaim of xyre...but i didmean to claim vanilla. Seriously, xyre getting depowered "sadly makes my role now fit the character".
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
@Archy: Who is it in your Clan that gave you the head's up here? I want to thank them. It really could not have been more obvious that SG was scum. It wasn't entirely his fault, because he really got caught by all of the Vanilla Town having the same role PM, and from there he just kept making mistakes. But it was clear that he was trying to take advantage of everyone else having no mafia experience..and it probably would have worked had I not had to replace for HKKID. I think he could have made it harder if he would have had a different false claim, and lynching Hrothgar at the same time was a pretty big giveaway. It seems like he just panicked.
But I'm just glad the town won. Go town.
It was difficult for me, at the end...I had been trying to wagon HKKID for half the game, it seemed, and it kept going nowhere. Good reason for that, it turns out, but I do have to say that there's a fair chance I'll try playing another game, because this was interesting and fun.
"I am in the arcane, and the arcane is in me."
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"I am in the arcane, and the arcane is in me."
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I mean, I knew by the time Cubus died that I was not going to win the game. But I figured I would gambit it out. So yeah, most of Cyan's arguments were true. I was appealing to emotions. I was using a bunch of WIFOM logic, although he didn't jump on that a lot. I still wish that I hadn't died so soon, I really did want to pull the game out. And I think it was possible. It helps, Cyan, that not all of your arguments were actually good ones. I stand by about half of what I was saying, but I guess that is niether here nor there.
Overall, the missed kill is most disappointing. But such is life, I guess. I am also not so sure how fair 10-3 is given the the abilities we have. The deadlines are nice, but they don't really help us all that much.
So how exactly are clan points being given out for this game? I don't remember it being stated and it would seem as though it would be difficult to do so.
We dunno. There was some attempt to hash it out in the setup forum, but ultimately Yukora is/was going to decide.
I do think the players should decide town/scum MVP, though, + those kids' clans get props.
The Greeks kept at the game the whole way through, it was great fun reading their discussion forum. I wonder at the outcome here, had all the Clans had backed their players in the same manner!
Heh. I should've read that. Sadly and im biassed, scum MVP has to be SG/loran. Not because we played well, but rather because stormblind was awful, and cubus proceded to give away any shot we had. Maybe we dont deserve a scum MVP.
Town LVP id give to Urza. Dood, way to give away being the cop!
Town MVP- probably HKKID/cyan, who was one of the two town to try and drive the town toward the right conclusion, the other being wamyc.
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
Anyway, good game! I maintain that claiming R_E as Miller was decent enough to stop my lynch...
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I know I was scummy. Ask the host about my PMs to him. I had to be scummy if we had any chance at all of winning. So please, don't tell me I played badly here. I play in the only manner that left victory possible.
Also, AoK, the missing kill that you mention in your voting for the clan contest can not be blamed on the team, Cubus said he was sending it before the deadline came and then waited until after the deadline to submit it. That is not a team problem, it is an accident by one player. I also do not think that voting for no one is fair to the clans that were assigned scum roles.
I had been suspicious of loran, and when he didn't answer my questions and then had sorryguy replace him, I had a pretty good feeling that sorryguy was scum.
i think mirari and i did good as the doc. Got roleblocked on night 2, but we accuratly picked the right people each night.
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/9015/nivd9.gif
Actually no. You accurately picked day 1, and then night 3 cubus forgot to put in the kill or the roleblock. So you didnt really have that perfect effect.
Still goood now.
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
oh
oh well
it was fun, and thats all that matters
Mafia, you were still in it right through the final day.
I hope I didn't boff the game up too badly during my week and a half of moderating.
And W00t to the town!
I think this was a game of the mafia simply needing to keep their head down more. With the low level of activity, the scum could have simply said and done much less and gotten away with it. Whenever someone ended up making a very complicated case, the scumminess showed very clearly in the rank inconsistencies and ad hoc reasoning.
We decided not to use the google group, but I got about a dozen PMs on the subject from my clan members.
You have no special game-related abilities, but you do have high hopes that this whole situation can be resolved by talking it out like mature adults. Good luck!
You win when all the scum are dead, whether you are alive or not.
Doctor.
You may not have a Medical Degree, but you're apparently a licensed doctor anyway, in addition to being the moderator of the Extended forums. Your status as Rules Guru extends beyond the realm of Magic, though, as you can also use your extensive knowledge of the more obscure rules to help fight the tide of reckless bannings that has taken place recently.
Each night, you may submit the name of a player. Their account will be granted immunity from banning that night, ensuring their survival. However, due to forum guidelines (which, as a rules-oriented guy, you're honour-bound to follow) you cannot protect yourself.
You win when all the scum have been eliminated, whether you're alive or not.
Your purview as moderator covers the all of Forum Games, but your true calling has always been the game of Mafia. You love it, love it, love it, and your greatest wish is to see more of the MTGS community playing along with you. In fact, why should MTGS even be a Magic site? Why not make it one big Mafia forum? Sounds good to you. If you have to eliminate some of the other moderators in order to get your way, then so be it. You've even managed to convince two of the other moderators, Woapalanne (played by AjaxUD) and Xyre (played by loran16) to assist you in your devious endeavors. Each night, you can dispatch one of your group to remove another player from the game.
As Godfather and leader of the Mafia, it is your responsibility to submit your Mafia's choices via PM to the mod each night. In addition, your ability to keep up a legitimate front as impartial mod of Forum Games means that on any night you aren't personally performing the mafia kill, you will appear innocent to investigations. Just a reminder - you may only communicate with the other members of the Mafia at night.
You win when the number of living Mafia are equal to or outnumber the other living players, whether you are alive or not.
As MTGS's resident £€€+ Häxxør, your moderation mostly covers technical matters. But rather than use your nefarious häxx for evil, you've decided to take the fight to those responsible for the recent spate of mystery bannings and account deletions.
During each night phase, you may submit the name of a player. By häcking into their account and viewing their userdata, you'll be able to determine if that player's recent forum behaviors have something to do with these bannings or not. Be careful, though - while your mad häxxør skillz are quite formidable, they are not infallible.
You win when all the scum have been eliminated, whether you're alive or not.
It's been an interesting couple of months since you've made Administrator - you still haven't had a chance to closely examine all the bells and whistles that come with your title, every day finds something else on your plate, and now it seems like things are only going to get stranger. . . but that doesn't have to be a bad thing. In fact, you've been just itching to try something you discovered during your first romp through all the tabs and subsections of the Admin Panel of Doom - THE HELLBAN. One press and POW! Oh, how cool is that? But is it real? Does it work on anyone? This little escapade gripping the forum might be just the opportunity you've been hanging out for. . .
At any time during the Day (including Twilight) you may post HELLBAN:PLAYER (in bold, orange text, substuting 'Player' for any player's name), that player will be removed from the game. Since it is your personal policy to Never, Ever Swear, you're only willing to make an exception this ONCE because it'd be so cool to see.
You win when all the scum have been eliminated, whether you're alive or not.
A change is upon the wind. . . Yes, you can sense it, and even were it not bristling every hair of your soft, vermillion pelt, there would be no denying the strange air that has recently fallen across Salvation, no, something sinister has cast its shadow across the forum. . . yet what can one anthropomorphoid fox do? You need only an a flickering moment's inspiration, the chance to take hold this situation and, drawing upon the lifeline and connection that you have with the swirling mists at the edges of reality. . . Yes! You are positive that there will be an opportunity for you to thwart this evil which even now moves against our beloved forum. . . if only you could think of where to start. . .
For now, you have no abilities, but the Future is Ever In Motion, and truly, none know what it may hold for them.
You win when all the scum have been eliminated, whether you're alive or not.
After all the schenanigans surrounding the early leak of those damned Time Spiral playtest cards, there's been a growing murmur of doubt about where your loyalties lay - with Salvation, and the free dissention of information and spoilery goodness for all, or with WotC, who have probably brainwashed you into serving their nefarious purposes, dobbing in sources and ratting out mods who Know to Much. . . that's quite silly of course, you still love spoilers as much as ever. You've just been tagged as a troublemaker by the Powers That Be, is all.
Still, that doubt remains. . . If you are targetted by an investigative role, you will appear to be murderous scum. Your townie alignment will only be revealed upon your death.
You win when all the scum have been eliminated, whether you're alive or not.
As one of MTGS's finest minds when it comes to Magic rules, you've spent most of your days modding the Rulings and Custom Cards forums. And yet, you've always hungered for more power - the power not just to
understand the rules, but to make them. When the moderator of Forum Games, fadeblue (played by Stormblind), approached you with his plans to take over the MTGS forums, you readily agreed. The two of
you, along with Xyre (played by loran16), have formed an insidious Mafia, and each Night, you may confer among yourselves and send one of your number out to eliminate another player.
In addition, due to the sheer scariness of THAT avatar's eyes, on any night you aren't making the kill for the Mafia, you can submit the name of another player to the mod to prevent that player from performing their night actions. Just a reminder - you may only communicate with the other members of the Mafia at night.
You win when the Mafia equal or outnumber the other players, whether you're alive or not.
Huh. Feels like a slump. The Debate Forum is chock-a-block with active discussions, and still you can't help but feel a bit of dissapointment at the noticeable lack of randoms driven to a meltdown recently; just the usual tl;dr, NO U and so on. Blood Moon Mafia has been deliciously bizarre, yet you feel there would be some way to take it even further, to truly re-write the rules. Luckily enough, just when boredom was ready to drive you to some desperate and, dare you say, crazy action, fadeblue (played by Stormblind) came to you with a delightful means and a dangerously serious will to poke the wasps nest, as it were. Seems Woapalanne (played by AjaxUD) is up for a round of rile-the-peasants as well. . .
As Lynch Enforcer, your presence during the day ensures that the number of players required to lynch is lowered by one, as long as you did not perform the mafia kill on the previous night. Just a reminder - you may only communicate with the other members of the Mafia at night.
You win when the number of living Mafia are equal to or outnumber the other living players, whether you are alive or not.
Had a 14th clan signed on, there would have been an additional Sneakyhomunculus SK role. Didn't look like we'd get that many, so the PM was never written, but I was pestering Sneaky to write me up a self-congratulating paragraph in Dutch (Sneak is SO COOL, Sneaky listens to KITTY BREAD ROCK MUSIC, etc) with a SK ability/win condition tacked on the end.
That's awesome!
Experiments Series: #5 (Courtly Intrigue Mafia) | #4 (Drunken Tracker) | #3 (Big Red Button) - coming soon | #2 (Pope Mafia) | #1 (Iso's Inflammable Mafia)
Mini Games: MTGS Mafia Redux II (Invitational, Evil Mirror Universe) | Unreal City
Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
but man! there were a lot of substitutions. Kind of a pain to follow, actually.