EBWODP: And for the love of all things holy, PLEASE DO NOT LYNCH HAWKEYE7 UNTIL we find out if Rahl can daykill him and he's answered the cop question. I would advise this town to lynch anyone who does so.
True for now. Certainly I don't see why we should lynch him while Rahl is available, and Hawkeye gets a last chance to claim- but it IS a last chance, and I hope he's clear on that.
Also: I'll say this now in the event something stupid like that does happen- if I show up dead tomorrow as Beverly Crusher (Town Doctor), and not Beverly Crusher (some random role changed by Puzzle), I think you all know what to make of that. Unless someone can express otherwise, I don't see any other role that Puzzle should protect by swapping over than mine.
Don't lead.
One of the best things we have in this situation (assuming you and Puzzle are both town) is that the mafia are left guessing as to what swap Puzzle will make and where abilities will end up. Locking in the swap ahead of time is pointless. I certainly think it's likely you'll get swapped, though.
Sorry for the lack of posting (AGAIN!), my internship started today.
Anyhow...where on earth is Rahl? At least make a comment about the possible use of your ability, rahter than keep us waiting... (and yes im being hypocritical)
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From what I see, Rahl's been on (involved with a world project thingy, apparently) but hasn't posted in this thread for over 72 hours. Obviously the mod would be run ragged if he prodded everyone who didn't post once every 72 hours, but this is a relatively critical point in the game so... prod please.
HE7: You appear not to understand the plan. I am entirely willing to be lynched today if a daykill shows you to be town. If I am as scummy as you like to insinuate, then you should have no problem with a 1-for-1 trade here.
I have no trouble with a 1-for-1 trade. It’s the way you have it set up. There is honestly no good way of doing it to assure that the deal will be carried out. You offer to push me off a cliff with the promise of letting someone who watches you do it, to push you off if my corpse ends up to be an innocent townie. The fact that you say you won’t argue against or fight against being pushed off the cliff AFTER I am dead is just an empty promise at this point because it can’t be proved until you have already gotten what you wanted. How can I be sure you aren’t lying right now or banking on the fact that once the other guy sees what a mistake this idea is, after I’m dead and turn up an innocent townie, that he will not simply refuse to potentially make that same mistake again.
Hmm, how about this idea.
If Puzzle, Fadeblue, Cyan and RafaelK and two other players of their chosing will reveal all their role, information I will spill all the beans and vomit out tons of information that will clear 5-6 townies AND reveal all my role information.
Sound like a great deal?
Yes it does.
BUT WAIT, THERE’S MORE!
I will also allow myself to be executed by your choice of either a very stylish day kill, a washer/dryer OR lynched and I’ll even throw in a complete set of Ginsu steak knives.
Now that’s a $300.00 value all for the ridiculously low price of throwing always your common sense.
Hurry, this is your final chance and a limited time offer.
RafealK – What, exactly, is the benefit to the town for me to reveal my role name? Forget the fact that, in your mind, there is no reason for me not to reveal it. Tell me how the town benefits from me doing so. I will tell you up front that I will not, at this time, tell you the reasons why I won’t. You probably already knew that but I just wanted to be clear before you answered or not.
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I don't know why you put all those sad faces after that. If you're really a vanilla townie, the mafia wasting their kill on you tonight is the absolute best thing that could happen besides a successful doc protection.
Is that a light going on I see?
If all I am is a vanilla townie and this is a possible result of my actions, why would do what you have done and try to stop me? You just said it would be the absolute best thing that could happen and you are doing everything in your power to make sure it does not happen. WHY?
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I find the notion that there is a non-Star Trek SK in this game patently ridiculous...it just doesn't make any sense to have characters from other games, especially two things such as SW and ST that have absolutely nothing in common whatsoever. I always thought it was weird when Ged(I think that's whom it was) suggested that, but, I just wrote it off as a joke. IMO, when Axel says we're not all from the same Universe, he is referring to MU characters, not characters from other franchises/sci-fi realms.
Hawkeye:
I just don't get you. You're two votes from lynch...but you're still just acting beligerent. You're not trying to work with the town nor to cooperate. If you don't trust myself, nor Puzzle, nor Fadeblue..then fine, that is understandable. But what about RafK, or some of the others voting you? No matter what you say, you have put yourself in the situation that you are in, and the town wants you to answer for it. If you are truly town, please, stop being stubborn and just claim and prove your innocence. And lastly, please, answer this question: If you are a Vanilla Townie, as you claim, then how is it that my investigating you would clear even one of us, let alone both? No beating around the bush with 'I've answered that as much as I can' statements, because you haven't answered it at all. All we have is some idle speculation, and all of it involves you lying about being Vanilla anyway. Honestly, I'm somewhat torn about voting for you right now..your behavior doesn't seem like scum behavior, but, it is definetely not town behavior either...just give us some reason to believe in you. 'Because I said so' isn't going to cut it, not in the situation you have put yourself into. Please, claim. Or, at the very least, stop treating the town with cynicism and scorn, when, IMO, we haven't done anything to deserve it.
Lastly, I think that you misunderstand what RafK is saying, at the end there. If you're a vanilla townie, it would definetely be great for the mafia to waste an NK on you...but why would they, when there are so many other great targets?
I give up, Hawkeye. I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to accomplish. I won't vote you because I don't want this to be a lynch- we need it to be a day-kill, there are too many questions out there right now.
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RafealK – What, exactly, is the benefit to the town for me to reveal my role name? Forget the fact that, in your mind, there is no reason for me not to reveal it. Tell me how the town benefits from me doing so. I will tell you up front that I will not, at this time, tell you the reasons why I won’t. You probably already knew that but I just wanted to be clear before you answered or not.
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I think that this actually sums it all up. There's no possible name, race or ability you may claim at this point that would justify your willingness to make the town mislynch just to keep it secret, from a townie point of view.
Your failure to answer the most important questions, i.e. :
- why you think Cyan lied, when his ability doesn't even confirm him
- why confirming his ability would clear either of you
- why it could ever be worth mislynching you rather than give your name
leads me to think that we should indeed proceed to your extermination.
Yeah, I feel like .
RafaelK, you have neglected to answer my question and ….hey, wait a minute.
You’re not RafaelK.
You’re Puzzle!
Man, you had me going there for a minute.
I’m going to resist the temptation to repeat again exactly how you swindled the town and just say I’m interested in RafaelK’s answer to my question and, to be truthful, anyone else who will actually address it direct that is not Puzzle.
What benefit is there to the town to force me to reveal my role name?
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What benefit is there to the town to force me to reveal my role name?
The fact that this angry mob headed by Puzzle is about to lynch or daykill you anyway? The fact that this is what happens when people reach critical voting mass? They claim, right?
I have been supportive of you, going so far as to extrapolate a scenario that involves you being set up by the mafia, and making the perfect scapegoat. And I think it's happening. And if you don't name-claim, it's likely going to follow through, and then we'll learn who you are because you're dead. And it will be night. And we'll be one step closer to losing. For the last time, if there's something useful you can provide- please do so. Your current stance is not helping us.
EBWODP: Also, Rahl has been rather active on the site, and is just not posting here. It's been almost five days.
@Axelrod: Can we please get a mod-prod? His input is required.
Hawkeye, you may wish to note that you're two votes from lynch and both me and DYH have expressed the view that we would vote you except that we're waiting for Rahl.
Again, as noted earlier, as a townie the best thing you could do is do anything in your power to avoid being killed.
If you're implying that you're running some sort of gambit where you're vanilla but you want the mafia to believe you're actually a power role and worth killing, well 1) that won't work if we kill you, so you might want to speak up to avoid that and 2) why would the mafia kill off someone so suspicious anyway? and 3) it's not a very helpful gambit anyway.
There is no simpler way to put it other than that you're being obstructionist; you brought attention on yourself by making a song and dance about Cyan and trying to lead an information role, you claimed an ability but refused to claim a name, which is illogical; you continue to refuse to take opportunities to prevent the town from wanting to kill you and hang all your efforts on convincing the town to go away without you giving away anything, which suggests you have something to hide and certainly suggests your top priority is NOT to help the town. It's not as if you're trying to hide your name from the MAFIA, since of course once you die everyone will know your name.
You have had your last chance. If Rahl comes along I am quite happy at this point for him to daykill you without further correspondence, unless in the meantime you choose to actually talk sense.
EBWODP: Re-checking, it looks like DYH is actually not in favour of lynching you. Well, I still am. I'm pretty sure there's an 8th; few people have expressed pro-Hawkeye opinions.
@Rahl: While I would like to hear your opinions on any and allissues, I still do not approve of a vigging unless you have a majority consensus. Perhaps we could perform a pseudo vote that you could then count and execute the result? Something like Vig: XXXX from each player before you took any hasty action.
Truthfully, i tend to be quite... Stodgy with the uses of my vig abilities, in most of my games, i tend to not even use it, and even have finished games without ever using it... I prefer to be more... quiet about things. So you dont have to worry about me being WILDFIRE or somesuch.
Regarding this, regardless, i have an idea about HE7. And i would personally like to see him come to night, and be targetted by Cyan; but as they are the two top suspects at the moment, i shall be force to give that pipe dream up.
I am willing to bet on HE7 being town, hence refusal. Cyan, Fade and Puzzle are pricking my interest alot really. And you can quote me on them being the big 3... atleast for me, they are my top 3 suspects. Aswell, i would like to hear more from Loran.
When town he is often very vocal in every game ive seen him in, and suddenly he is totally and utterly quiet.
As you can tell, since puzzle is my suspect, i don't trust anything he says.
As it stands, these are my beliefs.
Fadeblue : Odo obviously, Neutral of somesort.
Puzzle: Rolename, Scum
Cyan: Bones *probably MU*, and scum.
Thats how i see things, but as said, i will be very very very conservitive with my Vigs...
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Ok, this is crazy. I think at this point that HE7 should be killed for not making any sense and acting so scummy, although I am hesitant about DYH's thoughts of a set-up, too. I still think HE's a SK, though, so killing him off would not be be a bad thing in my opinion.
Still, I also agree (man, I seem to be doing that a lot) that Rhal needs to get in here before we go through with anything so I won't vote yet.
whoa, 4 posts in like 5 minutes. Pretty much ignore that, I guess...
For the record, I will not take part in lynching Hawkeye7. The only way I was supporting his death was through a day-kill, since it would leave us discussion time to deal with the aftermath before going into night with so many uncertainties.
@Rahl: I'd support you shooting one of those three you mentioned, but I have a feeling you won't garner enough support to risk it.
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Also, no dayvigging and no HE7 name-claim is apparently going to happen, so I do call for a HE7 lynch. This has lasted long enough to my taste.
I'll offer what I can before the scum end this day prematurely.
I'm of the opinion that this post by Ged is very scummy:
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Ok, this is crazy. I think at this point that HE7 should be killed for not making any sense and acting so scummy, although I am hesitant about DYH's thoughts of a set-up, too. I still think HE's a SK, though, so killing him off would not be be a bad thing in my opinion.
Still, I also agree (man, I seem to be doing that a lot) that Rhal needs to get in here before we go through with anything so I won't vote yet.
Summary: HE7 should die, but maybe not, yeah, he's probably the SK. I'll vote later. Only I didn't.
Screams of sitting on the fence; lack of commitment to opinion. Oh, and yes I know I'm agreeing a lot. Don't call me on it. FoS: Ged
Hawkeye, you may wish to note that you're two votes from lynch and both me and DYH have expressed the view that we would vote you except that we're waiting for Rahl.
Again, as noted earlier, as a townie the best thing you could do is do anything in your power to avoid being killed.
Good Lord. Raf, is this true? You’ve only really been concerned that I might be lynched!
I have to strongly disagree with you on this. The best thing a townie can do is to make sure that his time in the game adds to the valuable information for the town and to make sure that if they die they either force a non-townie to be revealed/killed. There are other things too.
It is not the best thing a townie can do to do everything in their power to not be killed. RafaelK that’s the most important thing a mafia member can do for the mafia. Not the most important thing a townie can do for the town.
I am glad to see that Rahl and others are looking at the current situation and stepping back to question whether this mob mentality is really in the towns best interest or not.
I have already stated who I am voting for. I have stated who I am suspicious of and I have stated what I would like Cyan to do tonight. Whether or not he will do it is another matter. Since he has such sterling citizens as Puzzle vouching for him I have to say I am looking for more to clear him.
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I thought shooting me was foolish ? Also, you haven't answered the point about bateleur's attack on Cyan. Finally, what do you make of Az's claim about Fade's alignment and the fact that he didn't attack, or even hint against him after the phasor kill.
Shooting you is the less desirable of the three options on the off-chance you're town and telling the truth, yes. But I think it's in the town's best interest to find out if we're being grossly misled one way or another. Like I said, not going to get enough support anyhow.
I already answered the point on Bat's attack of Cyan. It began with a weak FoS, and Cyan had a claim that could be easily verified, and passed through most of the town as validation of his clearedness.
Azrael's death was untimely. So was the convenient return of his phasor to him upon that death. I don't know what kind of gambit he was trying to run from day one. Nor do I know how much of what he really believed about "Odo". For all I know he was trying to trap the scum into telling him who it was.
I've got to run for lunch- I'll finish this in a bit.
Azrael's death was untimely. So was the convenient return of his phasor to him upon that death. I don't know what kind of gambit he was trying to run from day one. Nor do I know how much of what he really believed about "Odo". For all I know he was trying to trap the scum into telling him who it was.
I've got to run for lunch- I'll finish this in a bit.
THIS is what keeps me on edge *and i think i brought this up maybe who knows* Someone of Az's skill, isn't that likely to just.. DO that and not have some kind of plan. I just seriously DON'T trust that "odo is town" is all that Az had to say about the situation...
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Obviously, only scums wouldn't see HE7's townieness.
Not necessarily, but I'd find it hard to believe they wouldn't jump on this chance to end the day while there are still big question marks out there about the direction this town is being led.
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Agreed, which is a pattern from Ged making me still iffy about him.
Then why so hellbent on Hawkeye7? I can't imagine a scenario where HE7 thinks he can get away with this behavior as a scum, particularly when the attacks on him came from Azrael, you, and Fadeblue. Not many can survive the weight of those three analysts on him. There's more here than meets the eye, and I think Hawkeye is trying to set himself up as the sacrificial lamb for the town. His death, and what I expect will be his subsequent likely town alignment will certainly score a mark against the town following you blindly. I just hope it's not too late.
Where's your name claim? I don't think it's " ". Funny, you play off remarks about your claim, but you're condemning HE7 for not revealing his.
This game is reaching insane levels of ridiculous. But I trust that things will be cleared up soon.
Unfortunately, it appears that Rahl is not willing to kill HE7. Still, I refuse to let someone play the way HE7 has and get away with it. If Rahl is not daykilling him, then the lynch is the way to go.
Anyway, just to make things clear: I am PERFECTLY willing to die today (or soon, at least), as it will verify the information I have provided and will also help to get the town away from some of the sillier conspiracy theories (at least the ones involving me being scum). This is not an invitation to day-vig me immediately, though. I still want to give some more information about the swap before the end of the day, and I might as well use the last opportunity I have to verify Puzzle's ability - if Puzzle is going to go ahead and reveal his rolename, I would also like him to describe the nature/flavor the roleswap.
If it is completely necessary, I may be willing to be the daykill target instead of HE7 (but as I said, let me finish giving away all of my information first).
I'm not trying to be funny. You can go look at the wiki, yourself.
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The mirror Sisko did not like the name "Miles" so he calls the mirror O'Brien "Smiley".
LOL. And now the irony of your answer " ". So, that fits your role name, too, since that's what Mirror Universe Sisko called your Mirror Universe character in the episode - smiley.
Vote: Puzzle
I don't care if it was a slip, I don't care if you were just being funny. I'm convinced that you're scum, and this just gives me another incentive.
LOL. And now the irony of your answer " ". So, that fits your role name, too, since that's what Mirror Universe Sisko called your Mirror Universe character in the episode - smiley.
Vote: Puzzle
I don't care if it was a slip, I don't care if you were just being funny. I'm convinced that you're scum, and this just gives me another incentive.
All Star Trek characters have Mirror Universe doubles, by the way. The fact that Kirk 'discovered' O'Brien doesn't mean anything, they're all there somewhere.
Also, just because it went really far over your head, apparently, Miles and Smile are anagrams.
Despite the ridiculousness of what DYH just brought up, along with the irony we've got there, I'm just going to say it's a tablespoon of gasoline added onto the large forest fire (god damn, why didnt I think of that subliminal claim in Random :rolleyes:) of the allegations against Puzzle. I am going to Confirm Vote: Puzzle.
If HE7 would like to claim now that Puzzle has done everything he said he would do, that'd be cool.
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Now that he and Rhal have checked in again, I'll Vote: Hawkeye7 to go along with what I was saying earlier. There's just so much confusion and insanity surrounding the Puzzle spectacle for me to feel comfortable on killing anyone involved. Hawkeye has been acting suspicious enough without being directly involved with Puzzle, and I think that that makes him the right play for today.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Yes, that was ridiculous. This whole day has been ridiculous. Puzzle's Cunning Plan was ridiculous. The fact that so few people seem to have any wariness about Puzzle's play at all is ridiculous. Cyan's lips attached directly to Puzzle's derriere is ridiculous. Hawkeye's play has been ridiculous. I just wanted to see how many times I could use ridiculous in a paragraph.
Ridiculousness aside, please remember the things I've said in the event I show up dead tomorrow. (Mainly that if Puzzle is who he claims to be, I shouldn't die as the doctor role attached to me, Beverly Crusher.) Don't worry, I'm sure he'll be "roleblocked", though, and you'll believe it ,anyway.
If Hawkeye comes up anything but town, I will seriously be shocked. Scum acting that belligerent just makes absolutely no sense at all. Granted, I'm not sure what the hell he is hoping to accomplish, but just the same.
If I'm right about that, pay careful mind to those Puzzle has not cleared, but hasn't really mounted an attack on. Also, obviously be wary of him and Cyan. I still honestly can't read on Fadeblue. Also, of note, DM, Loran, and Sgdre are very weak "clears" by him.
If Hawkeye shows up mafia, then chances are I've been completely off-base, and when the game ends, I'll apologize to Puzzle for my obstinance. If he's the SK, meh, that doesn't mean squat to his alignment.
Not necessarily, but I'd find it hard to believe they wouldn't jump on this chance to end the day while there are still big question marks out there about the direction this town is being led.
They're not jumping because either a) Hawkeye's scum or b) they realised they were about to help knock off the SK.
vote Hawkeye, so there you go. If he's town, nice big opportunity there for the scum to finish him, unless you want to argue that all the scum are already on the bandwagon.
Puzzle- you might as well nameclaim, as it doesn't actually hurt anyone and the only reason not to do it is to increase the chance of Hawkeye screwing up on a false claim. However, the chance of him false-claiming your character is more or less non-existant anyway if I'm right about who you are, so it's probably a good move to shut people up.
AND THEN TO THE PEOPLE ASKING FOR A PUZZLE NAME-CLAIM: Why the hell aren't you also pressing Hawkeye for a nameclaim? Given that, you know, there's absolutely zero reason for him to hold onto the name claim once he's already claimed vanilla anyway...
Hawkeye: Nice twisting on my words there, but you're digging yourself in deeper. You're right that it's not a townie's job to do everything he can to avoid dying, as I pointed out earlier a vanilla townie can do nothing better than to take a scum kill in place of a power role (which is why you, as a vanilla townie, are making no sense by seeking to waste information roles on yourself). It IS, however, a townie's job to do everything he can to avoid dying by lynch, because that means the town just wasted a day and lost a vote.
EBWODP: Anyone horribly shocked at Passdog jumping off at the last second? I'm not...
I don't like what passdog just did, of course I don't like a lot of what’s happened recently. I don't like the way rahl refuses to vig hawkeye, even if he feels hawkeye is town, isn’t giving the town two lynches a worthy cause? It seems to me (unless I missed where he has said otherwise) the he only had 1 day kill, and is riding on having mutliple daykills to stay cleared, weather hes doing this as town or scum however, Im not sure. I also don't like hawkeye not name claiming. I previously stated that I thought him town for being so pig headed on the matter, but then someone reminded me of the three people attacking him fadeblue, azrael, and puzzle, and I couldn't help but wonder if scum would gambit on such a thing to stay alive under an attack by three of the most experienced players in the game. The actions of too many people have stunk this game, yet looking on them, I see hawkeyes and rahls plays both being made by town or scum in there positions, passdog, however unvoting when he did seems -extremely- suspicious to me. I had priory written him off as town. But now I need to review his posts and decide why I had done so. In conclusion I think there is still far too much going on that needs sorting through before we end this day, and urge some people on the haweye wagon to back off.
I completely missed that Puzzle name-claimed in the middle of that.
I need to claim now myself, since with Puzzle AND Azrael's name out, the likelihood is that someone will catch my breadcrumbs (or simply realise that in the relatively narrow field, I obviously have information and how would I get that...). Besides, it's pretty much time to expose the mafia campaign against Puzzle.
I am SPOCK (half human/half Vulcan to answer dm's question).
I am THE COP.
Go back and take a look at my 2nd post on day 1. I investigated Puzzle night 1 (because I can never get a read on him), he is good, and he is indeed Miles O'Brien. I never would have taken him at his word without that.
Night 2 I investigated Azrael (due to my suspicions he was SK) and he showed up as Worf and also good. See I think my first post of day 2. Unlike Puzzle (who abjectly failed to get my breadcrumb on day 1), Azrael pretty obviously picked up on that. Anyway, that's why I backed off Azrael.
Last night I played my hunch re armlx/draygn mage and investigated him. For his protection I will not say what his role is, other than to say he is also townie.
Is it possible that Puzzle is a godfather role? Yes. I have no assurance that my ability is infallible.
Is it possible that I'm a naive cop? I hope not, but three innocent investigations in a row mean it's possible. It would be horribly out of flavour, though.
Turns the beat around, eh?
To answer the obvious question- I'm sure enough of Passdog that I felt checking Az and then dm was more important than confirming something I already know. It's possible that I'll check Passdog tonight, but there's a few other possibilities and it strongly depends on whether or not Hawkeye shows up SK or shows up mafia.
Passdog jumping off doesn't necessarily mean anything - I personally think we should first check whether there are any last things to discuss before we go ahead and lynch HE7.
Anyway, I can at least now personally verify that Puzzle's ability claim adds up 100%; the swap is the result of a Transporter accident (not that it wasn't already verified enough - I'm just extra paranoid around Puzzle).
I'm surprised the conspiracy theorists haven't tied together Puzzle and RafK yet based on RafK's Day 1 joke about Miles O'Brie.
Anyway, in case I die, I just want people to keep in mind that there is another phasor out there, so anyone with a confirmed ability is clear from being the phasor holder. This may be useful for identifying at least one scum by looking at the people who don't have a confirmed ability. This isn't the strongest piece of information, so it shouldn't be a primary lead, but somewhere down the road I think it will help and I don't want people to overlook it (thus I'm mentioning it now).
EWP: Well, just saw RafK's post. I think we can take some time to digest this information before lynching.
I don't like the way rahl refuses to vig hawkeye, even if he feels hawkeye is town, isn’t giving the town two lynches a worthy cause?
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It seems to me (unless I missed where he has said otherwise) the he only had 1 day kill, and is riding on having mutliple daykills to stay cleared,
Agreed- but I think it's likely he has limited kills, rather than unlimited or zero. Just a gut feeling, but from the way he worded his response about being very picky led that to pop in my head.
EWP: @RafK: You can't be serious. Axel is truly a bastard mod. Our cop has the same race as the killing style of one of our scum. That's nice.
Agreed with Fadeblue- there's no need to rush this lynch yet. Now there's tons more to discuss.
Well.
Now that the Puzzle has claimed I think that I will be able to reveal my name.
I honestly don't have one.
I actually hoped to do just as I said and have Cyan investigate me tonight but even if I made it to night I doubt seriously that Cyan would investigate me.
Since I doubt anyone is going to believe me, you will now get to see that I am telling the truth and have told the truth all along.
By all means Scum, please do the honors and finish me off.
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I guess that explains why you were so willing to forgive Puzzle for his indiscretions and not me.
I unvoted there a while back because over three pages had been written since I had last been on and the first post I had read was Axelrod's votecount. Seeing Hawkeye so close to death I wanted the chance to check that no new developments arose that would change my mind - wise since Raf voted while I was reading.
I am happy to replace my vote on Hawkeye and lynch him, but further discussion would be appropriate first.
I really wish you had checked me though... I gather you get names as well as alignment?
Oh and FoS Chimpanzee for trying to make me look scummy for doing something any cautious townie should, and making such a sudden reversal on such a small action.
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Jobie: Unless my predicesors did something, no claims to date fadeblue:Odo: no ability claimed to date. Disrupt_Your_Hymn: Doc Crusher: doc Hawkeye7: nameless vanilla Cyan: Bones McCoy: Species Inspector Puzzle: Miles O'Brian: Role Switcher. Cleared by Cop. Ged: no claims to date Rahl: Kird: Vig draygn_mage: some sort of one shot ability? Cleared by Cop. Chimpanzee: no claim to date Passdog: 7 of 9: vanilla sgdre: no claim to date Rafaelk: Spock: Cop Chamber: no claim to date loran16: no claim to date
Unvote, FOS: Raf until everyone arrives and doesn't counter you.
EWP: I almost put Hawkeye as nameless before I settled on unknown, then laughed as he claimed to not have a name. Thought I'd pass some humor on.
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For everyone to think about.
Yikes, is HAWKEYE7 posting a though, theory or feeling about this the game?
It was a transporter accident the switched charaters from the real Star trek universe with their evil Mirror universe counter parts. It is possible that Miles O'brien could be a cult leader who select a player to switch and make evil thus becoming part of the cult. This is possibly what happened to Bateluer and could also explain why if investigated a player would seem to have all the normal role information.
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It was a transporter accident the switched charaters from the real Star trek universe with their evil Mirror universe counter parts. It is possible that Miles O'brien could be a cult leader who select a player to switch and make evil thus becoming part of the cult. This is possibly what happened to Bateluer and could also explain why if investigated a player would seem to have all the normal role information.
No. Kokusho and Athos had their actual roles switched. This is confirmed through death.
No. Kokusho and Athos had their actual roles switched. This is confirmed through death.
You are right, they were.
Bateleur was the Evil Mirror Universe Duplicate of Jadzia/Ezri Dax and was mafia. As I think more about it there was one other episode I recall of the mirror Universe from The Enterprise series and that time the move from one universe to the other was through a rift the Tholians had created.
Was there an episode from Deep Space Nine involving the Mirror universe anyone remembers?
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That's correct, I get name and alignment but not ability. Which makes Hawkeye's nameless claim very odd.
Come on Hawkeye, care to tell us why you're nameless?
Because my character doesn't have one.:rolleyes:
Come on, you knew that was coming I hope.
As I have never been a cop in a mafia game I'll throw out a question to everyone, how common is it for a cop to get name and alignment but no role information back as investigation results?
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Oh and FoS Chimpanzee for trying to make me look scummy for doing something any cautious townie should, and making such a sudden reversal on such a small action.
Huh? Sudden reversal? I had said that HE7 was at the top of my list and I was just waiting for him to finish his debating with FB before resolving to vote.
HE7: Nameless? Do you have a role title of any form like "Space Cadet" or "Vulcan Dude" or does your role pm essentially say "you are a vanilla townie" and nothing else?
Chimp: reversal in attitude toward me. You said you thought I was cleared but after one post, that is clearly well intended, you decide to start pointing the finger. It was odd.
I am pretty sure what Hawkeyes complete claim will be, and what his race is.
Hawkeye: would it be detrimental if I hypothesised?
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As I have never been a cop in a mafia game I'll throw out a question to everyone, how common is it for a cop to get name and alignment but no role information back as investigation results?
Not common in my experience BUT this particular game is pretty unique. Especially considering the MU characters, learning name isn't as helpful as usual.
Chimp: reversal in attitude toward me. You said you thought I was cleared but after one post, that is clearly well intended, you decide to start pointing the finger. It was odd.
I am pretty sure what Hawkeyes complete claim will be, and what his race is.
Hawkeye: would it be detrimental if I hypothesised?
EBWODP:
Not common in my experience BUT this particular game is pretty unique. Especially considering the MU characters, learning name isn't as helpful as usual.
I can't stop you from posting anything, but if you know who I am can you not think of why I would want to keep my identity secret?
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You're not the doc. You're not the cop. You apparently don't mind hinting to the point where Passdog might know what you're hinting. You've claimed vanilla anyway. None of this fits with your refusal to go through with a full claim, unless you're hiding a scummy name and you're scared to fake-claim. Feel free to try and convince me otherwise, of course, but I'm still happy with the hammer or Rahl dropping you at any time at this point, as it's not as if you haven't had the opportunity to correct your behaviour if you wanted to.
Yea, I can't think of any possible role or claim that wouldn't result in my still wanting HE dead at this point. He's claimed no name while hinting that he is, in fact, lying about this. He's claimed vanilla, yet still wants Cyan to investigate him. There may be more to this than meets the eye, but HE clearly isn't going to tell us about it if there is, and his play is so suspicious up until now that I'm fine with lynching HE.
Sorry I seem to have given the impression that there might be some massive mystery or role hints regarding Hawkeye's name when there isn't. I just extrapolated from him having no name and tried to think of a few scenarios where he might not have one.
Rahl already let it slip anyway - I think Hawkeye might be a Red Shirt. Rank would be Ensign, race likely human (though not necessarily) though that is inconsistent with his behaviour toward Cyan.
I don't know what that means.
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In addition I would like to see how do you feel about other players you haven't mentioned. For instance do you think I'm scum?
True for now. Certainly I don't see why we should lynch him while Rahl is available, and Hawkeye gets a last chance to claim- but it IS a last chance, and I hope he's clear on that.
Don't lead.
One of the best things we have in this situation (assuming you and Puzzle are both town) is that the mafia are left guessing as to what swap Puzzle will make and where abilities will end up. Locking in the swap ahead of time is pointless. I certainly think it's likely you'll get swapped, though.
Anyhow...where on earth is Rahl? At least make a comment about the possible use of your ability, rahter than keep us waiting... (and yes im being hypocritical)
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I have no trouble with a 1-for-1 trade. It’s the way you have it set up. There is honestly no good way of doing it to assure that the deal will be carried out. You offer to push me off a cliff with the promise of letting someone who watches you do it, to push you off if my corpse ends up to be an innocent townie. The fact that you say you won’t argue against or fight against being pushed off the cliff AFTER I am dead is just an empty promise at this point because it can’t be proved until you have already gotten what you wanted. How can I be sure you aren’t lying right now or banking on the fact that once the other guy sees what a mistake this idea is, after I’m dead and turn up an innocent townie, that he will not simply refuse to potentially make that same mistake again.
Hmm, how about this idea.
If Puzzle, Fadeblue, Cyan and RafaelK and two other players of their chosing will reveal all their role, information I will spill all the beans and vomit out tons of information that will clear 5-6 townies AND reveal all my role information.
Sound like a great deal?
Yes it does.
BUT WAIT, THERE’S MORE!
I will also allow myself to be executed by your choice of either a very stylish day kill, a washer/dryer OR lynched and I’ll even throw in a complete set of Ginsu steak knives.
Now that’s a $300.00 value all for the ridiculously low price of throwing always your common sense.
Hurry, this is your final chance and a limited time offer.
RafealK – What, exactly, is the benefit to the town for me to reveal my role name? Forget the fact that, in your mind, there is no reason for me not to reveal it. Tell me how the town benefits from me doing so. I will tell you up front that I will not, at this time, tell you the reasons why I won’t. You probably already knew that but I just wanted to be clear before you answered or not.
Is that a light going on I see?
If all I am is a vanilla townie and this is a possible result of my actions, why would do what you have done and try to stop me? You just said it would be the absolute best thing that could happen and you are doing everything in your power to make sure it does not happen. WHY?
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I find the notion that there is a non-Star Trek SK in this game patently ridiculous...it just doesn't make any sense to have characters from other games, especially two things such as SW and ST that have absolutely nothing in common whatsoever. I always thought it was weird when Ged(I think that's whom it was) suggested that, but, I just wrote it off as a joke. IMO, when Axel says we're not all from the same Universe, he is referring to MU characters, not characters from other franchises/sci-fi realms.
Hawkeye:
I just don't get you. You're two votes from lynch...but you're still just acting beligerent. You're not trying to work with the town nor to cooperate. If you don't trust myself, nor Puzzle, nor Fadeblue..then fine, that is understandable. But what about RafK, or some of the others voting you? No matter what you say, you have put yourself in the situation that you are in, and the town wants you to answer for it. If you are truly town, please, stop being stubborn and just claim and prove your innocence. And lastly, please, answer this question: If you are a Vanilla Townie, as you claim, then how is it that my investigating you would clear even one of us, let alone both? No beating around the bush with 'I've answered that as much as I can' statements, because you haven't answered it at all. All we have is some idle speculation, and all of it involves you lying about being Vanilla anyway. Honestly, I'm somewhat torn about voting for you right now..your behavior doesn't seem like scum behavior, but, it is definetely not town behavior either...just give us some reason to believe in you. 'Because I said so' isn't going to cut it, not in the situation you have put yourself into. Please, claim. Or, at the very least, stop treating the town with cynicism and scorn, when, IMO, we haven't done anything to deserve it.
Lastly, I think that you misunderstand what RafK is saying, at the end there. If you're a vanilla townie, it would definetely be great for the mafia to waste an NK on you...but why would they, when there are so many other great targets?
I give up, Hawkeye. I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to accomplish. I won't vote you because I don't want this to be a lynch- we need it to be a day-kill, there are too many questions out there right now.
@Rahl: Please post.
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RafaelK, you have neglected to answer my question and ….hey, wait a minute.
You’re not RafaelK.
You’re Puzzle!
Man, you had me going there for a minute.
I’m going to resist the temptation to repeat again exactly how you swindled the town and just say I’m interested in RafaelK’s answer to my question and, to be truthful, anyone else who will actually address it direct that is not Puzzle.
What benefit is there to the town to force me to reveal my role name?
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The fact that this angry mob headed by Puzzle is about to lynch or daykill you anyway? The fact that this is what happens when people reach critical voting mass? They claim, right?
I have been supportive of you, going so far as to extrapolate a scenario that involves you being set up by the mafia, and making the perfect scapegoat. And I think it's happening. And if you don't name-claim, it's likely going to follow through, and then we'll learn who you are because you're dead. And it will be night. And we'll be one step closer to losing. For the last time, if there's something useful you can provide- please do so. Your current stance is not helping us.
EBWODP: Also, Rahl has been rather active on the site, and is just not posting here. It's been almost five days.
@Axelrod: Can we please get a mod-prod? His input is required.
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Again, as noted earlier, as a townie the best thing you could do is do anything in your power to avoid being killed.
If you're implying that you're running some sort of gambit where you're vanilla but you want the mafia to believe you're actually a power role and worth killing, well 1) that won't work if we kill you, so you might want to speak up to avoid that and 2) why would the mafia kill off someone so suspicious anyway? and 3) it's not a very helpful gambit anyway.
There is no simpler way to put it other than that you're being obstructionist; you brought attention on yourself by making a song and dance about Cyan and trying to lead an information role, you claimed an ability but refused to claim a name, which is illogical; you continue to refuse to take opportunities to prevent the town from wanting to kill you and hang all your efforts on convincing the town to go away without you giving away anything, which suggests you have something to hide and certainly suggests your top priority is NOT to help the town. It's not as if you're trying to hide your name from the MAFIA, since of course once you die everyone will know your name.
You have had your last chance. If Rahl comes along I am quite happy at this point for him to daykill you without further correspondence, unless in the meantime you choose to actually talk sense.
EBWODP: Re-checking, it looks like DYH is actually not in favour of lynching you. Well, I still am. I'm pretty sure there's an 8th; few people have expressed pro-Hawkeye opinions.
Truthfully, i tend to be quite... Stodgy with the uses of my vig abilities, in most of my games, i tend to not even use it, and even have finished games without ever using it... I prefer to be more... quiet about things. So you dont have to worry about me being WILDFIRE or somesuch.
Regarding this, regardless, i have an idea about HE7. And i would personally like to see him come to night, and be targetted by Cyan; but as they are the two top suspects at the moment, i shall be force to give that pipe dream up.
I am willing to bet on HE7 being town, hence refusal. Cyan, Fade and Puzzle are pricking my interest alot really. And you can quote me on them being the big 3... atleast for me, they are my top 3 suspects. Aswell, i would like to hear more from Loran.
When town he is often very vocal in every game ive seen him in, and suddenly he is totally and utterly quiet.
As you can tell, since puzzle is my suspect, i don't trust anything he says.
As it stands, these are my beliefs.
Fadeblue : Odo obviously, Neutral of somesort.
Puzzle: Rolename, Scum
Cyan: Bones *probably MU*, and scum.
Thats how i see things, but as said, i will be very very very conservitive with my Vigs...
Still, I also agree (man, I seem to be doing that a lot) that Rhal needs to get in here before we go through with anything so I won't vote yet.
whoa, 4 posts in like 5 minutes. Pretty much ignore that, I guess...
@Rahl: I'd support you shooting one of those three you mentioned, but I have a feeling you won't garner enough support to risk it.
I'll offer what I can before the scum end this day prematurely.
I'm of the opinion that this post by Ged is very scummy:
Summary: HE7 should die, but maybe not, yeah, he's probably the SK. I'll vote later. Only I didn't.
Screams of sitting on the fence; lack of commitment to opinion. Oh, and yes I know I'm agreeing a lot. Don't call me on it. FoS: Ged
I'd like to hear it.
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Good Lord. Raf, is this true? You’ve only really been concerned that I might be lynched!
I have to strongly disagree with you on this. The best thing a townie can do is to make sure that his time in the game adds to the valuable information for the town and to make sure that if they die they either force a non-townie to be revealed/killed. There are other things too.
It is not the best thing a townie can do to do everything in their power to not be killed. RafaelK that’s the most important thing a mafia member can do for the mafia. Not the most important thing a townie can do for the town.
I am glad to see that Rahl and others are looking at the current situation and stepping back to question whether this mob mentality is really in the towns best interest or not.
I have already stated who I am voting for. I have stated who I am suspicious of and I have stated what I would like Cyan to do tonight. Whether or not he will do it is another matter. Since he has such sterling citizens as Puzzle vouching for him I have to say I am looking for more to clear him.
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Shooting you is the less desirable of the three options on the off-chance you're town and telling the truth, yes. But I think it's in the town's best interest to find out if we're being grossly misled one way or another. Like I said, not going to get enough support anyhow.
I already answered the point on Bat's attack of Cyan. It began with a weak FoS, and Cyan had a claim that could be easily verified, and passed through most of the town as validation of his clearedness.
Azrael's death was untimely. So was the convenient return of his phasor to him upon that death. I don't know what kind of gambit he was trying to run from day one. Nor do I know how much of what he really believed about "Odo". For all I know he was trying to trap the scum into telling him who it was.
I've got to run for lunch- I'll finish this in a bit.
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THIS is what keeps me on edge *and i think i brought this up maybe who knows* Someone of Az's skill, isn't that likely to just.. DO that and not have some kind of plan. I just seriously DON'T trust that "odo is town" is all that Az had to say about the situation...
Not necessarily, but I'd find it hard to believe they wouldn't jump on this chance to end the day while there are still big question marks out there about the direction this town is being led.
Then why so hellbent on Hawkeye7? I can't imagine a scenario where HE7 thinks he can get away with this behavior as a scum, particularly when the attacks on him came from Azrael, you, and Fadeblue. Not many can survive the weight of those three analysts on him. There's more here than meets the eye, and I think Hawkeye is trying to set himself up as the sacrificial lamb for the town. His death, and what I expect will be his subsequent likely town alignment will certainly score a mark against the town following you blindly. I just hope it's not too late.
Where's your name claim? I don't think it's " ". Funny, you play off remarks about your claim, but you're condemning HE7 for not revealing his.
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Unfortunately, it appears that Rahl is not willing to kill HE7. Still, I refuse to let someone play the way HE7 has and get away with it. If Rahl is not daykilling him, then the lynch is the way to go.
Anyway, just to make things clear: I am PERFECTLY willing to die today (or soon, at least), as it will verify the information I have provided and will also help to get the town away from some of the sillier conspiracy theories (at least the ones involving me being scum). This is not an invitation to day-vig me immediately, though. I still want to give some more information about the swap before the end of the day, and I might as well use the last opportunity I have to verify Puzzle's ability - if Puzzle is going to go ahead and reveal his rolename, I would also like him to describe the nature/flavor the roleswap.
If it is completely necessary, I may be willing to be the daykill target instead of HE7 (but as I said, let me finish giving away all of my information first).
But there's an interesting tidbit.
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LOL. And now the irony of your answer " ". So, that fits your role name, too, since that's what Mirror Universe Sisko called your Mirror Universe character in the episode - smiley.
Vote: Puzzle
I don't care if it was a slip, I don't care if you were just being funny. I'm convinced that you're scum, and this just gives me another incentive.
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Fade, how can or cant you verify Puzzle today?
All Star Trek characters have Mirror Universe doubles, by the way. The fact that Kirk 'discovered' O'Brien doesn't mean anything, they're all there somewhere.
Also, just because it went really far over your head, apparently, Miles and Smile are anagrams.
If HE7 would like to claim now that Puzzle has done everything he said he would do, that'd be cool.
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Puzzle - 3 (Jobie, Hawkeye7, Disrupt_Your_Hymn)
Rafaelk - 2 (draygn_mage, loran16)
Hawkeye7 - 7 (Puzzle, fadeblue, Cyan, sgdre, Chimpanzee, Passdog, Ged)
fadeblue - 1 (Rahl)
Cyan - 1 (Chamber)
With 15 alive it will take 8 to lynch.
Ridiculousness aside, please remember the things I've said in the event I show up dead tomorrow. (Mainly that if Puzzle is who he claims to be, I shouldn't die as the doctor role attached to me, Beverly Crusher.) Don't worry, I'm sure he'll be "roleblocked", though, and you'll believe it ,anyway.
If Hawkeye comes up anything but town, I will seriously be shocked. Scum acting that belligerent just makes absolutely no sense at all. Granted, I'm not sure what the hell he is hoping to accomplish, but just the same.
If I'm right about that, pay careful mind to those Puzzle has not cleared, but hasn't really mounted an attack on. Also, obviously be wary of him and Cyan. I still honestly can't read on Fadeblue. Also, of note, DM, Loran, and Sgdre are very weak "clears" by him.
If Hawkeye shows up mafia, then chances are I've been completely off-base, and when the game ends, I'll apologize to Puzzle for my obstinance. If he's the SK, meh, that doesn't mean squat to his alignment.
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They're not jumping because either a) Hawkeye's scum or b) they realised they were about to help knock off the SK.
vote Hawkeye, so there you go. If he's town, nice big opportunity there for the scum to finish him, unless you want to argue that all the scum are already on the bandwagon.
Puzzle- you might as well nameclaim, as it doesn't actually hurt anyone and the only reason not to do it is to increase the chance of Hawkeye screwing up on a false claim. However, the chance of him false-claiming your character is more or less non-existant anyway if I'm right about who you are, so it's probably a good move to shut people up.
AND THEN TO THE PEOPLE ASKING FOR A PUZZLE NAME-CLAIM: Why the hell aren't you also pressing Hawkeye for a nameclaim? Given that, you know, there's absolutely zero reason for him to hold onto the name claim once he's already claimed vanilla anyway...
Hawkeye: Nice twisting on my words there, but you're digging yourself in deeper. You're right that it's not a townie's job to do everything he can to avoid dying, as I pointed out earlier a vanilla townie can do nothing better than to take a scum kill in place of a power role (which is why you, as a vanilla townie, are making no sense by seeking to waste information roles on yourself). It IS, however, a townie's job to do everything he can to avoid dying by lynch, because that means the town just wasted a day and lost a vote.
EBWODP: Anyone horribly shocked at Passdog jumping off at the last second? I'm not...
It's obvious Hawkeye isn't going to name-claim for whatever totally bizarre reason. I wish I knew what that was.
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I need to claim now myself, since with Puzzle AND Azrael's name out, the likelihood is that someone will catch my breadcrumbs (or simply realise that in the relatively narrow field, I obviously have information and how would I get that...). Besides, it's pretty much time to expose the mafia campaign against Puzzle.
I am SPOCK (half human/half Vulcan to answer dm's question).
I am THE COP.
Go back and take a look at my 2nd post on day 1. I investigated Puzzle night 1 (because I can never get a read on him), he is good, and he is indeed Miles O'Brien. I never would have taken him at his word without that.
Night 2 I investigated Azrael (due to my suspicions he was SK) and he showed up as Worf and also good. See I think my first post of day 2. Unlike Puzzle (who abjectly failed to get my breadcrumb on day 1), Azrael pretty obviously picked up on that. Anyway, that's why I backed off Azrael.
Last night I played my hunch re armlx/draygn mage and investigated him. For his protection I will not say what his role is, other than to say he is also townie.
Is it possible that Puzzle is a godfather role? Yes. I have no assurance that my ability is infallible.
Is it possible that I'm a naive cop? I hope not, but three innocent investigations in a row mean it's possible. It would be horribly out of flavour, though.
Turns the beat around, eh?
To answer the obvious question- I'm sure enough of Passdog that I felt checking Az and then dm was more important than confirming something I already know. It's possible that I'll check Passdog tonight, but there's a few other possibilities and it strongly depends on whether or not Hawkeye shows up SK or shows up mafia.
Anyway, I can at least now personally verify that Puzzle's ability claim adds up 100%; the swap is the result of a Transporter accident (not that it wasn't already verified enough - I'm just extra paranoid around Puzzle).
I'm surprised the conspiracy theorists haven't tied together Puzzle and RafK yet based on RafK's Day 1 joke about Miles O'Brie.
Anyway, in case I die, I just want people to keep in mind that there is another phasor out there, so anyone with a confirmed ability is clear from being the phasor holder. This may be useful for identifying at least one scum by looking at the people who don't have a confirmed ability. This isn't the strongest piece of information, so it shouldn't be a primary lead, but somewhere down the road I think it will help and I don't want people to overlook it (thus I'm mentioning it now).
EWP: Well, just saw RafK's post. I think we can take some time to digest this information before lynching.
Agreed.
Agreed- but I think it's likely he has limited kills, rather than unlimited or zero. Just a gut feeling, but from the way he worded his response about being very picky led that to pop in my head.
EWP: @RafK: You can't be serious. Axel is truly a bastard mod. Our cop has the same race as the killing style of one of our scum. That's nice.
Agreed with Fadeblue- there's no need to rush this lynch yet. Now there's tons more to discuss.
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Now that the Puzzle has claimed I think that I will be able to reveal my name.
I honestly don't have one.
I actually hoped to do just as I said and have Cyan investigate me tonight but even if I made it to night I doubt seriously that Cyan would investigate me.
Since I doubt anyone is going to believe me, you will now get to see that I am telling the truth and have told the truth all along.
By all means Scum, please do the honors and finish me off.
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I unvoted there a while back because over three pages had been written since I had last been on and the first post I had read was Axelrod's votecount. Seeing Hawkeye so close to death I wanted the chance to check that no new developments arose that would change my mind - wise since Raf voted while I was reading.
I am happy to replace my vote on Hawkeye and lynch him, but further discussion would be appropriate first.
I really wish you had checked me though... I gather you get names as well as alignment?
Oh and FoS Chimpanzee for trying to make me look scummy for doing something any cautious townie should, and making such a sudden reversal on such a small action.
Jobie: Unless my predicesors did something, no claims to date
fadeblue:Odo: no ability claimed to date.
Disrupt_Your_Hymn: Doc Crusher: doc
Hawkeye7: nameless vanilla
Cyan: Bones McCoy: Species Inspector
Puzzle: Miles O'Brian: Role Switcher. Cleared by Cop.
Ged: no claims to date
Rahl: Kird: Vig
draygn_mage: some sort of one shot ability? Cleared by Cop.
Chimpanzee: no claim to date
Passdog: 7 of 9: vanilla
sgdre: no claim to date
Rafaelk: Spock: Cop
Chamber: no claim to date
loran16: no claim to date
Unvote, FOS: Raf until everyone arrives and doesn't counter you.
EWP: I almost put Hawkeye as nameless before I settled on unknown, then laughed as he claimed to not have a name. Thought I'd pass some humor on.
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Yikes, is HAWKEYE7 posting a though, theory or feeling about this the game?
It was a transporter accident the switched charaters from the real Star trek universe with their evil Mirror universe counter parts. It is possible that Miles O'brien could be a cult leader who select a player to switch and make evil thus becoming part of the cult. This is possibly what happened to Bateluer and could also explain why if investigated a player would seem to have all the normal role information.
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That's correct, I get name and alignment but not ability. Which makes Hawkeye's nameless claim very odd.
Come on Hawkeye, care to tell us why you're nameless?
I'd like to hear why you're nameless, too. That's totally bizarre...
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No. Kokusho and Athos had their actual roles switched. This is confirmed through death.
You are right, they were.
Bateleur was the Evil Mirror Universe Duplicate of Jadzia/Ezri Dax and was mafia. As I think more about it there was one other episode I recall of the mirror Universe from The Enterprise series and that time the move from one universe to the other was through a rift the Tholians had created.
Was there an episode from Deep Space Nine involving the Mirror universe anyone remembers?
Because my character doesn't have one.:rolleyes:
Come on, you knew that was coming I hope.
As I have never been a cop in a mafia game I'll throw out a question to everyone, how common is it for a cop to get name and alignment but no role information back as investigation results?
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Hawkeye, you might want to consider giving us some information on this nameless character...
Huh? Sudden reversal? I had said that HE7 was at the top of my list and I was just waiting for him to finish his debating with FB before resolving to vote.
HE7: Nameless? Do you have a role title of any form like "Space Cadet" or "Vulcan Dude" or does your role pm essentially say "you are a vanilla townie" and nothing else?
3CB and 4CB5CB!I've only been a cop once, but I've seen games where he gets name and alignment or just alignment. Raf's claim isn't out of order there.
Yes, I believe there was a DS9 episode with the mirror universe, since the wiki text I quoted mentions Mirror Sisko.
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I am pretty sure what Hawkeyes complete claim will be, and what his race is.
Hawkeye: would it be detrimental if I hypothesised?
EBWODP:
Not common in my experience BUT this particular game is pretty unique. Especially considering the MU characters, learning name isn't as helpful as usual.
I can't stop you from posting anything, but if you know who I am can you not think of why I would want to keep my identity secret?
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He could be someone like *non-descript Enisgn A - No name*
But quite honestly, i have HUGE suspicions now.
I am getting SO horribly confused at the moment...
Rahl already let it slip anyway - I think Hawkeye might be a Red Shirt. Rank would be Ensign, race likely human (though not necessarily) though that is inconsistent with his behaviour toward Cyan.
I don't know what that means.