Well, actually, they DID steal the heart of gold...they got away with it and opened up the planet. But not all Cricket-players were for the destruction of the universe...it was all in the hands of that other-worldly being...(it's a good book, I won't spoil the plot)
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You wanted his role name...so what info do you have for the town?
Time to come clean.
I straight-up lied. Here's the truth about my role: I'm Zarniwoop, and I get to choose the names of two players every night, and I am told the role names of both; however, I'm not told which is which. On Night 2 I chose TWS and Twomz, and came up with a Krikkiter and Slartibartfast, confirming Twomz as who he said he was. Having read LtUaE, I knew that Krikkiters didn't like the universe and wanted to destroy it, and wanted the Heart- just like the Mafia in this game. Therefore, I made the decision to lie and try to get TWS to say his role name, thinking that he'd say something other than what he actually was. Color me surprised.
Wasn't it clear the first time? You aren't town. Until you're dead for good, I remain convinced. There are more important things though.
Puzzle: What posessed you to target chimp last night? I'm not asking for an ability claim. Just why you targeted him. If that's inextricably tied to your role, I understand and withdraw my question.
Dude. The mod told us that he was town. Therefore, he is town. It is actually fairly simple. There is no way that he could be scum. The only possibility is that he reanimates as scum. However, I find this hard to believe, especially because he was willing to die. The other reason I don't particularly think this is the case is for pure reasons of fairness. I know this is a weak argument, but a townie with this ability will always win. If the town is losing terribly, they can just fake like they made a mistake and "reveal" "accidentally" that they are mafia. Then they flip sides and win. I tend to think that mafia games are balanced. However, I have only played in 2 other games (both Newb) and I don't know if this happens all the time. Logically, that is how it would seem to me. And an unlynchable scum that comes up town is waaaaaaaay too overpowered.
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But it has been explicitly stated in public view that Kenji is town and DYH is town. We have to take you on your word that C_P sent you a pm telling you A_H is scum. Personally, I don't believe you.
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Incidently we should note that DYH the rabit is now in possesion of opposable digits. I love polymorph.
Wtf? I'm missing something here…
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FOS: twomz do you have to fish in every post?
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Thats actually very cute, flavorfully. Bravo CP on coming up with that one.
um, what is this in reference too? This is just clarifying what you were referencing.
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Umm, well. I can't vote today (CP should have said this in the opening scene of the day) mainly because I didn't post the last game day (the problems of school vs. short mafia days). Puzzle targetted a now dead person, so thats where I would vote today.
wait, why can't you vote? Does it have to do with your role pm or something else that I am again missing? This is more clarification.
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Dammit, wtf? I actually brought this up Day 1, but people ignored me (post 116). I am very, very confused by this. I would like an explanation, if possible. This is a weird ass posting restriction, if it is one. But the truth is, it can't be one because it doesn't appear in all of his posts… If it relates to your role, say that and don't tell us why. Otherwise, it looks aweful suspicious (although the mafia wouldn't be stupid enough to have a code so blatant, would they?)
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Well, the problem is not having a name.
suspicious, but I guess it checks out, according to KCW. That was very well played, if you happen to be town. Obviously, we get into WIFOM there, whether to believe him or not, but assuming he doesn't lie (which is most likely as it would be very risky to hatch a plan that involves lots of mafia working together this early in the game), then we have Twomz confirmed. TWS isn't entirely cleared, we just know that he wasn't lying about his name. I guess the same applies to Twomz, so he isn't entirely confirmed.
Anyways, onto Puzzle:
You targeted Chimpanzee. You admitted it, and WoLG watched you (if he is a watcher. In any case, he caught you). Chimpanzee is dead. Logically and circumstantially, there is a strong case to be made that you killed Chimpanzee. Please tell us why you targeted him and why you are innocent. I echo A_H's question above me.
KCW, could you say again what your night 1 choices were... i remember something about you trying to confirm someone earlier, but i don't remember who they were, or what their name was.
Also... we now have a way to clear names (KCW) and targetted abilities (me). Perhaps a mass NAME claim is in order? Then we get people with character names that could want the heart of gold to ability claim, and confirm if their lieing tonight and LAL.
If we do agree to a claim (yes, i know, it is early) as per normal protocol, i suggest most scummy to least scummy. Since no one else followed up on my list, i'll just go by that for now...
Most scummy
Puzzle - ?, ?pinged by watcher?
Avabob - ?, ?
Beaker - ?, ?
DM - ?, ?
diggy - ?, ?
TWS - Kricketteer, ?
Kenji - ?, mod cleared more than once. (my faith has been shaken on this by an epiphany (see Young Zaphod Plays it Safe))
WoLG - ?, ?watcher role?
armlx - ?, not much of an opinion on him... lurker ?posting restriction?
Abs - ?, posting restriction
Holmes - ?, 1/2 Mason (could be scum mason, but not that likely)
Me - Slartibartfast, Ability confirmer
Bluesoul - Wonko the Sane, Unnighttargetable
DYH - Agragag, Self Resurrection
PF - ?, posting restriction? (not sure on this one as much).
AH - ?, (From his actions i'd say he's a paranoid cop...)
KCW - ?, Role name checker.
OK, gang, I will be out of town on an improptu vacation until late Wednesday night, or early Thursday morning. I'm happy with my vote where it is for now, diggy has some explaining to do, still, IMHO, so I'll just leave it there.
vote PuzzleI'd also like to advocate either a reason by Puzzle on why he is so darned innocent, or a plausible reason as to why he can't tell us.
also, armlx, if you could get off the frog things...it's getting wierd. Or mayhaps you'd like to share something with us? You can't vote if you don't post?
Also, Twomz, a couple of concerns:
1)If that is your personal list, then I'd like to know why you find yourself to be more suspicious than people you don't know much about, like A_H.
2)If that is a public list, I'd like to bump KCW up a couple of notches--lying is a notoriously bad thing to do when you're a townie. Frown of Dissatisfaction: KCW for lying.
Abandon_Hope, I think that you are either scum or a paranoid cop--IGMEOY.
On a final note, I will respond to the diggy situation when he responds.
2)If that is a public list, I'd like to bump KCW up a couple of notches--lying is a notoriously bad thing to do when you're a townie. Frown of Dissatisfaction: KCW for lying.
@Twomz, mass claiming anything is a bad plan at this point. We've already got info leaking all over the place. What we need to do is stop with all the claiming, hinting, etc.
I'll forgive kcw his lie because it was a pretty good gambit. however, I think we can safely say that the scum either have safe claims or we have a lot of role names that could go either way.
Yeah, I was wondering whether I ought to come up with a name that made me look better, but considering my role, I figured that KCW probably had my name or alignment. A name claim is probably a bad idea.
I'm going to try an unvote,vote: Abandon Hope as well. You've acted scummy, many of your post are you trying so very hard to seem like town anyway, and this DYH situation didn't help my opinion of you.
Is there any accusation I can actually defend myself against to prove my innocence ?
This is stupid. The "accusation" is that you targeted Chimp. YOu admit it. Chimp died. THerefore the burden is on you at this point. You want some other reason?
vote: Puzzle
Re: TWS. I dont know anything about the Kritetters, but apparantly TWS was scared to say it, so aparantly he thouhgt it was scummy sounding. But I also think the "scummy sounding" idea was a complete bust once Elvis ended up mafia. Ditto the "bad guys want the heart of gold" idea (which was dumb to begin with in a game based on more then just Hitchhikers).
And DIggy "vote-stealing" doesn't sound town to me? Puzzle's "support" of him notwithstanding. I really don't like the way he said he just "random" picked someone to steal thjeir votes. Why random? Still don't have an opinion on who's scummy 4 days in? Shoot I could vote him too. But I want Puzz. to claim.
Bluesoul is the only person so far that i'll be informed of if he uses his ability. I could try DYH... but i don't really see the point because his ability is so public. I need the name and all abilities.
I still think a mass claim would help the town more than hurt it in this game. We have several information roles... and i think we might not even have a real cop, just a naive and a paranoid, w/ several other information roles. We need to use the revealed roles to their fullest and try to catch as many scum as possible before the mafia starts picking us off. After we catch a couple of scum... we should be able to figure out the rest by association.
Btw... Vote: Puzzle I'm rather sure he's mafia... and puzzle, if you're not, you should claim now.
Says the man who asked me not to answer his questions if it pushed me to claim...
Four vote in a flash, not counting Armlx. No doubt, I'm popular.
Is this to thank me for exposing Machin Shin on day 1 ?
Quite frankly, all my accusers seem to have is that I targetted Chimpanzee, which I admit, but there is no substantiated accusation I can see. Quite frankly, there are people exsuding objectively more scumminess and that get away with it too easily.
I changed my mind. Perhaps you'd like to enlighten us on who exudes scumminess? We'll be sheeps and go accuse them, it's what we do. If you can't defend yourself, then send the accusations somwhere else, right? Thank you for exposing Machin Shin day 1.
I get that this is meant to be sarcastic but don't try and be insulting/sarcastic when you are in fact doing the exact same thing.... it really doesn't help your case.
I'll be frank here, I do not like this Puzzle waggon. All you have on him is that he targeted Chimpanzee, that is all. Now, I am not saying that isn't enough, what I'm saying is we have a/some much better target/targets.[/COLOR]
Well there is a little more to it than that. Puzzle targeted Chimpanzee, and Chimpanzee died. I wasn't being sarcastic with comment about casting suspician somewhere else though. I really do want to know who else Puzzle thinks is scummy. So we can follow what he says like good little sheeps. No sarcasm. He got us Machin Shin, so who next?
@Puzzle: I can see how that came across as very sacrastic. I apologize. I didn't mean it! And I really am thankful.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Well, you did say that you don't have a name, which wasn't exactly true.
It's a stretch to get him on that. He didn't technically lie. I would have been a little worried about naming myself a krikiteer too. In fact the one who lied in that exchange was you. If I was compelled to lynch on flavor alone I would be going for vogon poetry first.
Well, you did say that you don't have a name, which wasn't exactly true.
yeah, it really was. He didn't have a name. He had a race.
EBWODP: A_H. Bringing up the Vogon poetry thing again? I thought we decided that that wasn't necessarily a thing to look at. And please tell me why you think that vogon poetry is worse than a race that specifically wants to steal the Heart of Gold. This is not to say that TWS is guilty, just to point out that you seem to be trying to shift the blame to Absolutionis subtly, without basis.
Yeah, my pm said that I don't have name, so there you go. Also, I agree with avabob, my role is far more scummy then a Vogon. Thought we had moved beyond that anyway.
Yeah, my pm said that I don't have name, so there you go. Also, I agree with avabob, my role is far more scummy then a Vogon. Thought we had moved beyond that anyway.
incidentally, if A_H is scum, this bodes badly for you.
Vogons torture people. With poetry. I'm personally more woried about that. So I obviously think a vogon is more flavorfully more dangerous than a kirkiteer, who are basicly nice people that believe in family values, community, as well as the destruction of the universe. That said, the point was that if we decided that vogon poetry wasn't looking into, than why bother looking at a krikiteer for flavor reasons? I'm not trying to shift anything subtly. I like to think I'm more blatant than that.
Eheheheh, just really wanted to say that. My point was simply that based on flavor, I was probably a better lynch, as my race was trying to destroy everything, but thats just a matter of opinion, so we could go on forever.
@Puzzle- check your notes again. I was the first one on Machn_Shin. This makes you look like you're trying to clear yourself via my catch (not nice). I'm not going to vote you for the moment, but I may once I get a chance read more than the last 2 pages.
Two things on that puzzle. One, i will no longer be told if i guessed right or not, unless the person uses a targetted ability. Two, I need ALL the information about their role (- win condition). I almost didn't get Bluesouls because i wasn't specific enough.
Yes.... (Damn, i have to post something else in order for this not to be spam... i'll be back later today, i have to go post one word posts over on mafiascum...)
@Puzzle: The post in defense of you was that WOLG needed to say something more solid on, not that he would need to investigate you again or something. What he said up to that point was suspicous, but I wanted to know whether there was anything else he knew, as I'm very distrustful of people this game, as we have had two people lie to us already. As for the daykiller thing thats scary, and I'm not sure what I can say to that, other then it wasn't me. As for my day one voting record, yeah, thats scummy. Anything else?
I am completely lost about what A_H actually thinks / is after.
However, in case he really wasn't sarcastic about who I find suspicious, I'll point you to That Which Squeaks. Have a look at yesterday, where I ran after him, and wonder why he anticipates me to turn out innocent : cf #984 : "@Puzzle: I don't think you need to say anything more, until WOLG has something more solid on you." : wtf ? Seriously, that's taking things backwards. I know I'm innocent but how can TWS think so and why does he push WOLG farther ? That's completlely illogical, unless you want to gain townie point by a "see-I-told-you-Puzzle-was clean". There is no reason a townie would defend me like that at this point. I mean, even people who don't vote me (like Kenji) still show distrust at me. TWS dodges my subject as much as he can.
For the rest on him, please refer back to my analysis on day 1.
You can also add his unvote from Machin Shin (he voted him in 5th position : once the wagon had taken off, barning me) in #795, while there was absolutely no reason to and the pressure was building up against him. And guess what ? He re-votes Machin Shin in #847, only once he's a clear goner.
Then, there's the early info-extraction-wagon onto Kenji on day 2 about the Elvis counter-claim.
Actually, this is a fairly good analysis. You have me somewhat convinced here, but I think A_H is acting weirder than TWS. If I have time this weekend, I'll try to do a pbpa on one of them. But we'll see.
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And guess what : CP posted a vote count in #893, at 9:58 PM. Az gets daykilled in #897, at 04:07 PM. There are decent chances that the daykiller acted in that span of time. There have been 3 persons posting then (add maybe 2 or 3 lurkers I guess) : TWS, Twomz and DYH.
Twomz has an ability that doesn't match daykilling. DYH is town (cf his death). That leaves the chances of TWs being our daykiller fairly high.
This is also a really good point. However, what is the reasoning behind your thought that tht daykiller had to act in that span of time. Because if that fails, then the whole point fails and anyone could be the daykiller. However, if that point holds, then TWS is most likely the daykiller, by process of elimination.
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However, strangely, TWS is getting away very easily with it all, much more easily than me, whose only point against so far is my targetting a now dead guy.
This is still a fairly significant point against you. However, I would like to ask WoLG something that relates to this. He says he is sure that you targetted Chimp, which you later admitted. Given that this means that he had information that you targeted Chimp, it is most likely that he is a watcher (I doubt C_P just sends out pm's to random people saying whom targetted whom.) Okay, assuming that, I would like to know if he watched you (Puzzle) or Chimp. Because if he watched Chimp, maybe he can tell us if anyone else targetted him as well. This would help your case tremendously.
Speaking of WoLG, where is he... I don't think I've seen him post that much, or today (ingame)
Why wouldn't it help the town? If we knew all the people who had targeted Chimp, then we would know one of them is scum.... though I suppose that also does reveal people with power roles.Thats a tough one... How about if it was only one other person, would it be worth it then?
Well, we could, but based on his yes or no answer then it would be obvious who he watched. I don't think theres a way for him not to reveal that, if we pursue this. Is there a reason revealing which he targeted would be bad?
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Your character doesn't have a name at all? Explain, please.
Does it say anything about you? What planet you're from, your race, age, AIM screenname, anything?
Gimme a little to decide where I want to procede from here.
Eh, ne'er mind, truth is probably best. I'm a Krikkiter. No name. There we go.
Ouch, well...you should calm down on wanting to destroy the universe.
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What, exactly, do you want to hear from me?
You wanted his role name...so what info do you have for the town?
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If memory serves, yes they did.
Well, actually, they DID steal the heart of gold...they got away with it and opened up the planet. But not all Cricket-players were for the destruction of the universe...it was all in the hands of that other-worldly being...(it's a good book, I won't spoil the plot)
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Time to come clean.
I straight-up lied. Here's the truth about my role: I'm Zarniwoop, and I get to choose the names of two players every night, and I am told the role names of both; however, I'm not told which is which. On Night 2 I chose TWS and Twomz, and came up with a Krikkiter and Slartibartfast, confirming Twomz as who he said he was. Having read LtUaE, I knew that Krikkiters didn't like the universe and wanted to destroy it, and wanted the Heart- just like the Mafia in this game. Therefore, I made the decision to lie and try to get TWS to say his role name, thinking that he'd say something other than what he actually was. Color me surprised.
Figured.
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Dude. The mod told us that he was town. Therefore, he is town. It is actually fairly simple. There is no way that he could be scum. The only possibility is that he reanimates as scum. However, I find this hard to believe, especially because he was willing to die. The other reason I don't particularly think this is the case is for pure reasons of fairness. I know this is a weak argument, but a townie with this ability will always win. If the town is losing terribly, they can just fake like they made a mistake and "reveal" "accidentally" that they are mafia. Then they flip sides and win. I tend to think that mafia games are balanced. However, I have only played in 2 other games (both Newb) and I don't know if this happens all the time. Logically, that is how it would seem to me. And an unlynchable scum that comes up town is waaaaaaaay too overpowered.
But it has been explicitly stated in public view that Kenji is town and DYH is town. We have to take you on your word that C_P sent you a pm telling you A_H is scum. Personally, I don't believe you.
Wtf? I'm missing something here…
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um, what is this in reference too? This is just clarifying what you were referencing.
wait, why can't you vote? Does it have to do with your role pm or something else that I am again missing? This is more clarification.
Dammit, wtf? I actually brought this up Day 1, but people ignored me (post 116). I am very, very confused by this. I would like an explanation, if possible. This is a weird ass posting restriction, if it is one. But the truth is, it can't be one because it doesn't appear in all of his posts… If it relates to your role, say that and don't tell us why. Otherwise, it looks aweful suspicious (although the mafia wouldn't be stupid enough to have a code so blatant, would they?)
suspicious, but I guess it checks out, according to KCW. That was very well played, if you happen to be town. Obviously, we get into WIFOM there, whether to believe him or not, but assuming he doesn't lie (which is most likely as it would be very risky to hatch a plan that involves lots of mafia working together this early in the game), then we have Twomz confirmed. TWS isn't entirely cleared, we just know that he wasn't lying about his name. I guess the same applies to Twomz, so he isn't entirely confirmed.
Anyways, onto Puzzle:
You targeted Chimpanzee. You admitted it, and WoLG watched you (if he is a watcher. In any case, he caught you). Chimpanzee is dead. Logically and circumstantially, there is a strong case to be made that you killed Chimpanzee. Please tell us why you targeted him and why you are innocent. I echo A_H's question above me.
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Also... we now have a way to clear names (KCW) and targetted abilities (me). Perhaps a mass NAME claim is in order? Then we get people with character names that could want the heart of gold to ability claim, and confirm if their lieing tonight and LAL.
If we do agree to a claim (yes, i know, it is early) as per normal protocol, i suggest most scummy to least scummy. Since no one else followed up on my list, i'll just go by that for now...
Most scummy
Puzzle - ?, ?pinged by watcher?
Avabob - ?, ?
Beaker - ?, ?
DM - ?, ?
diggy - ?, ?
TWS - Kricketteer, ?
Kenji - ?, mod cleared more than once. (my faith has been shaken on this by an epiphany (see Young Zaphod Plays it Safe))
WoLG - ?, ?watcher role?
armlx - ?, not much of an opinion on him... lurker ?posting restriction?
Abs - ?, posting restriction
Holmes - ?, 1/2 Mason (could be scum mason, but not that likely)
Me - Slartibartfast, Ability confirmer
Bluesoul - Wonko the Sane, Unnighttargetable
DYH - Agragag, Self Resurrection
PF - ?, posting restriction? (not sure on this one as much).
AH - ?, (From his actions i'd say he's a paranoid cop...)
KCW - ?, Role name checker.
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also, armlx, if you could get off the frog things...it's getting wierd. Or mayhaps you'd like to share something with us? You can't vote if you don't post?
Also, Twomz, a couple of concerns:
1)If that is your personal list, then I'd like to know why you find yourself to be more suspicious than people you don't know much about, like A_H.
2)If that is a public list, I'd like to bump KCW up a couple of notches--lying is a notoriously bad thing to do when you're a townie. Frown of Dissatisfaction: KCW for lying.
Abandon_Hope, I think that you are either scum or a paranoid cop--IGMEOY.
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I'll forgive kcw his lie because it was a pretty good gambit. however, I think we can safely say that the scum either have safe claims or we have a lot of role names that could go either way.
I'm going to try an unvote, vote: Abandon Hope as well. You've acted scummy, many of your post are you trying so very hard to seem like town anyway, and this DYH situation didn't help my opinion of you.
This is stupid. The "accusation" is that you targeted Chimp. YOu admit it. Chimp died. THerefore the burden is on you at this point. You want some other reason?
vote: Puzzle
Re: TWS. I dont know anything about the Kritetters, but apparantly TWS was scared to say it, so aparantly he thouhgt it was scummy sounding. But I also think the "scummy sounding" idea was a complete bust once Elvis ended up mafia. Ditto the "bad guys want the heart of gold" idea (which was dumb to begin with in a game based on more then just Hitchhikers).
And DIggy "vote-stealing" doesn't sound town to me? Puzzle's "support" of him notwithstanding. I really don't like the way he said he just "random" picked someone to steal thjeir votes. Why random? Still don't have an opinion on who's scummy 4 days in? Shoot I could vote him too. But I want Puzz. to claim.
I still think a mass claim would help the town more than hurt it in this game. We have several information roles... and i think we might not even have a real cop, just a naive and a paranoid, w/ several other information roles. We need to use the revealed roles to their fullest and try to catch as many scum as possible before the mafia starts picking us off. After we catch a couple of scum... we should be able to figure out the rest by association.
Btw... Vote: Puzzle I'm rather sure he's mafia... and puzzle, if you're not, you should claim now.
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@Puzzle: I can see how that came across as very sacrastic. I apologize. I didn't mean it! And I really am thankful.
The Krikket lie may be worse than Puzzle. I'ld like to see both TWS and Puzzle go down, though I guess Puzzle has more outs. AH should also go too.
I want a claim from Puzzle however.
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Well, you did say that you don't have a name, which wasn't exactly true.
yeah, it really was. He didn't have a name. He had a race.
EBWODP: A_H. Bringing up the Vogon poetry thing again? I thought we decided that that wasn't necessarily a thing to look at. And please tell me why you think that vogon poetry is worse than a race that specifically wants to steal the Heart of Gold. This is not to say that TWS is guilty, just to point out that you seem to be trying to shift the blame to Absolutionis subtly, without basis.
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Eheheheh, just really wanted to say that. My point was simply that based on flavor, I was probably a better lynch, as my race was trying to destroy everything, but thats just a matter of opinion, so we could go on forever.
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Actually, this is a fairly good analysis. You have me somewhat convinced here, but I think A_H is acting weirder than TWS. If I have time this weekend, I'll try to do a pbpa on one of them. But we'll see.
This is also a really good point. However, what is the reasoning behind your thought that tht daykiller had to act in that span of time. Because if that fails, then the whole point fails and anyone could be the daykiller. However, if that point holds, then TWS is most likely the daykiller, by process of elimination.
This is still a fairly significant point against you. However, I would like to ask WoLG something that relates to this. He says he is sure that you targetted Chimp, which you later admitted. Given that this means that he had information that you targeted Chimp, it is most likely that he is a watcher (I doubt C_P just sends out pm's to random people saying whom targetted whom.) Okay, assuming that, I would like to know if he watched you (Puzzle) or Chimp. Because if he watched Chimp, maybe he can tell us if anyone else targetted him as well. This would help your case tremendously.
Speaking of WoLG, where is he... I don't think I've seen him post that much, or today (ingame)
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