However, as I was reading, I think I found a slip up. Wothawholebean claimed a Soldier of Gondor. So far, we have only seen Riders as generic roles. If no one can claim Soldier, I will vote for him.
Ok Armlx...why does him claming a Soldier of Gondor make him scum? We have only seen Riders. So? That doesn;t make him mafia if he's a generic townie. FOS: Armlx
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easy to claim and pretty plausible that there were multiples
That's an argument against armlx, but you go on to FOS worthawholebean ?! Was that a typo ?
FOS: SOS
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Vanilla and Rider match in that Rider really isn't an important role IMO. It's like Star Trek, where its always Kirk, Spock, and random ensign. Guess who dies? (Seen the movie Galaxy Quest?).
SOS explained the reasoning quite well. Why make 2 vanilla role names?
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Well, there was a sam, so we know theres two townie roles. Flavor is a possibility, as is a leader-type role that is affected by the soldiers/riders. Perhaps Future King would eventually form a mason group with the riders, for example.
@armlx: When doing a PBPA, put the name of the person who you are doing a PBPA of at the start of your post. While it was fairly easy to work out who it was after a few posts, it was still somewhat annoying. Thanks.
I believe that there are both Riders of Rohan and Soldiers of Gondor, and that both roles exist is duplicate. It just seems to make sense.
Next PBPA: Godchild. It's not that I see you as scum, I just have a feeling again and apparently the town thinks I should do one of these instead of vote first.
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Meh...I can really see there being 2 generic roles in duplictaes. I don't see that as hard to believe. But Godchild is a good person to check out next. If I have time tomorrow and Armlx hasn't presented his case I'll try a PBPA.
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"A little sincerity is a dangerous thing and a great deal of it is absolutely fatal."
Based on the fact that the mafia is offing all of our most experienced players, I would have to say at least one of the more experienced players left is mafia. I would have to say that for whatever reason there are 2 vanilla groups in this game.
To say that an experienced player left has to be mafia is poor logic. MAybe all the mafia are inexperienced players and they just haven't had a chance to off the remaining experienced players. Not true, perhaps but you can't make those sort of assumptions. they lead to lynching townies more often than not.
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Next PBPA: Godchild. It's not that I see you as scum, I just have a feeling again and apparently the town thinks I should do one of these instead of vote first.
Also of note, I will be unavalibe from Friday afternoon till sometime Sunday, probably afternoon of later. Vacation time!
By all means. Ideally, a PBPA should be done on everyone, but that too difficult/time consuming. I for one don't have the time to do a PBPA right now, although I might in a week or so.
I don't know exactly how effective a PBPA is, though, as I've rarely seen them used on news, but they seem to have helped me get a better idea of a player.
As long as people are careful not to waste so much time that we have deadline problems again.
Also, there's being worryingly little commentary on the whole armlx thing. You guys do read the thread, right ?
Just to clarify, I expect every player to be doing one of three things:
1) Making points in defence of armlx.
2) Voting for armlx.
3) Expressing interest in the plan I mentioned earlier which aims to prove or disprove armlx's scum status (possibly at the cost of a vanilla townie needing to claim).
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It's not solid at all, because most of us have read the books. Also, hiding the word "rider" could just as easily have meant Eomer. Then there's the fact that we have no idea if he's hidden other messages elsewhere in addition to that one.
Anyway, here's the plan: worthawholebean has claimed to be a Soldier of Gondor. So, there's a really easy way to work out if we have multiples of vanilla roles...
...would the other Soldier(s) of Gondor please come forward now !
If there isn't another one, I think it's pretty clear that armlx has blown his cover. Of course if there is another Soldier then I'll take my vote off armlx.
Incidentally, anyone who tries sugegsting that it isn't worth one vanilla roleclaim to clear armlx is very likely mafia, so we can then lynch them instead !
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@Bat, I don't like this idea as it narrows down who the power roles are so that the mafia can more efficently nightkill them all. In order to stop anyone else from coming forward, I will say that I am a soldier of gondor.
No other soldiers come forward.
We are meant to soak up night kills while the power roles finish off the mafia. If we all claim then the mafia knows who the power roles are and kills them off instead of us and we end up losing in an information war.
With me coming forward, we have 2 riders and 2 soldiers. that should be enough to prove we exist. as far as how many of us there are, that should be kept secret. between his claim and what he said about his role PM, armlx is cleared.
But I've said enough. I leave that particular tricky question for others to tackle. For now I will do as I promised: unvote: armlx
In view of the possible "both mafia" option:
FOS: draygn_mage FOS: armlx
What does everyone else think ?
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I was going to to a PBPA on God Child, but after the first few pages it was obvious to me he is barely suspicious. Either that or he is an amazing mafia. My money is on the first for now however.
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I don't think that they're both mafia. If Armlx is townie, dragyn_mage is pretty much clear too. If he's scum, it's still possible that dragyn_mage actually IS a townie soldier. It seems like it would be a bad play on the part of the scum to do such a thing.
I'm still not sure what Armlx did that's so suspicious. SOS, however, does look a little bad. But, as usual, no one looks that suspicious.
mmm...interesting...
Alright so as I see it the remaing scum/SK are in this group
-God Child
-LJustus
-SOS
-Rhino
-Titus
-Bateleur
-Deadly Budah
-Swinkee
As for who to go after today....I'm not sure...I think I can narroiw the lsit down though
--LJustus
--Rhino
--Titus
--Deadly Budah
--Swinkee
I tend to believe that both armlx and Draygn are clear for now.
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mmm...interesting...
Alright so as I see it the remaing scum/SK are in this group
-God Child
-LJustus
-SOS
-Rhino
-Titus
-Bateleur
-Deadly Budah
-Swinkee
As for who to go after today....I'm not sure...I think I can narroiw the lsit down though
--LJustus
--Rhino
--Titus
--Deadly Budah
--Swinkee
I tend to believe that both armlx and Draygn are clear for now.
haha, all these guys are the low posters group. i think it's a bad idea to assume that just because a player if prolific, he's townie. for instance, there's the idea that a mafia player could avoid the rader by, well, flying straight into it. with that said, i don't have any solid conclusions to draw...
oh, and with the vanilla roles thing: i would say that there are more than one of each vanilla role. (my guess is that we have 6, total).
Not all of them...next to me Rhino has the most posts in this thread. Also I think I may as well move SOS on to that second list. Why not? I'm really not expecting to hit a mafia today. I wasn't even expecting to hit mafia yesterday. That was blind luck. So if it comes tho the worst and we have no good suspects by the deadline then I suppose I would rather off a low poster and at least have a shot of accomplishing something. Basically at this point we need something to get this thread moving. Dratgn seemed to imply that tthere are more soldiers of Gondor. If that is so then I have to assume that there is another ider of Rohan among us. So with 14 players left and 6 riders/soldiers we have 8 places left for scum. Take away frodo, boromir, and myself and we get 5 . I assume at least 3 of those 5 are scum. The other half are our remaining power roles ( this is of course assuming that IO'm not a power role myself...who knows mayber I am). So any other rider/soldiers out there should stay hidden for now.
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Excellent. No way are they mafia.. with 2 already dead they can't afford to be that risky, especially if Gollum comes after them. Note that he'd only do this if he was a normal SK.
I still think that at least one relatively experienced player is mafia, at least experienced enough to know Hawkeye is a high poster and Azrael should not be targetted night one.
Eomer is the leader of Gondor? If so, I think we can assume he's around.
1. God Child
2. dazbog_eaterofsouls
4. LJustus
9. SOS
10. Rhinocero
11. titus
16. Deadly Budah
18. worthawholebean
19. swinkee
In here there's 2-3 mafia and 1 SK, giving us almost 50% odds. We're doing well.
Worthabean is clear by claim, Aurora. Soldier of Gondor.
Honestly, despite my first examination, I am somewhat suspicious of GC. I've reread some other games with him and he seems like a good enough player to pull this off if he is scum.
I'm also tempted to go after bat due to how close he was with Fayul until we went after her.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I'm also tempted to go after bat due to how close he was with Fayul until we went after her.
Why not do a PBPA on me ? That seems a bit more rational than basing your attack on a complete fiction like that.
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Killed before we had any info 17. help im a bug (ORC-Mafia) Strangled to death Night 1
20. StevieT92 (SAMWISE GAMGEE-Town) Beheaded Night 1
3. Hawkeye7 (ARAGORN-Town Investigator/Future King) Hacked to pieces Night 1
13. Fayul (WITCH-KING OF ANGMAR-Mafia with Morgul blade) Lynched Day 1 (D1 – Enigma91, Azrael, armlx, worthawholebean)
7. Azrael (RIDER OF ROHAN-Student of Aragorn) Hacked to pieces Night 2 (D1 – StevieT92, Fayul)
6. Pibbly (GALADRIAL-Town Gift Giver) Strangled Night 2 (D1 – Deadly Budah, aurorasparrow, armlx, worthawholebean, fayul)
Order of votes at end of D1 Fayul - 9 (draygn mage, dazbog_eaterofsouls, Azrael, bateleur, worthawholebean, SOS, Rhinocero, LJustus, Enigma91)
aurorasparrow - 1 (Deadly Budah)
armlx - 1 (god child)
worthawholebean - 3 (armlx, swinkee, Fayul)
Rhinocero - 1 (aurorasparrow)
After looking at the voting and posting patterns, paying specific attention to those who voted for fayul and those she voted for, I almost instantly realized that Deadly Budah falls very neatly in this category. (As do kpaca/titus and swinkee.)
vote Deadly Budah
I am off for the evening, but look forward to tomorrow morning.
Ah, I love provincial exam time... you can't post, so you're accused of lurking (not really, but you're probably all thinking that), and since you don't have much time to post or analyze, you can't really help the game and become suspicious to everyone, but not suspicious enough that people find you dangerous. Seriously, though, I'm trying to get on as often as possible, so I will try to help. As it is, I don't find anyone particularly suspicious, although bat isn't looking to be on very solid ground here. I'll try to have something more concrete later.
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Why not do a PBPA on me ? That seems a bit more rational than basing your attack on a complete fiction like that.
why have PBPAs become so popular? in may opinion, they're fairly useless (and too easy to manipulate - you can simply strawman away and accuse them of things which they may not have said)
a simple analysis suffices in all cases where people think you 'need' a PBPA
swinkee> With all due respect, what on earth are you on about ?!
Not "on solid ground" ? Apart from the blatantly false accusation that I didn't vote for Fayul, nobody's accused me of anything yet. What exactly are you getting at ?
Also, did it ever occur to you not to sign up for a game you don't have time to play in ?
I'm not sure the case against Deadly Budah warrants a vote, but there does appear to be something to LJustus' reasoning, so: FOS: Deadly Budah
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Hmmm... I'm not really sure where to go from here. I agree with titus that a PBPA is often over rated; what's more important is often the summary of the posts made by a player than the PBPA itself. Still, I like to see PBPAs, because they allow me to get impressions on players outside of the instance... that doesn't really make sense, and I'm having trouble saying what I mean. Basically, a PBPA gives a different impression that just rereading the thread, and it helps to have both of these impressions. Gah. Whatever I mean, titus's point stands, to some degree.
Right now, I think the most suspicious people are those who both never voted ofr Fayul, and were never voted for by fayul. The fact that fayul was lynched day 1 means that she probally isn't all that good, no offence if you are still reading along. I doubt she would have done a phoney vote on a fellow mafia member, but you never know. Therefore, FoS: Budah, Titus and Swinkee. I don't think we should lynch titus because of the actions of the person he is replacing, though, so I'm maingly looking for input from Budah and Swinkee.
mmm....I have been getting abit sick of the whole PBPA thing... in fact, I was about to say something to that effect but Titus beat me to it. But yay for voting pattern analysis! (Though if I were going strictly by that Armlx woulld be lynched in a second.) That being said...Ljustus's analysis seems to have some sort of logic going for it. FOS: Deadly Budah
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Well. Seeing how close Fayul came to surving the day yesterday, I'm inclined to think that there weren't any mafia members voting for Fayul. Also, I'm quite annoyed that Axelrod didn't make my vote count; that could have made a huge difference. Frankly, my intent was obvious, and I'd hate to see the town losing a lynch because of a typo.
As for today, I'm not sure where to go. Aurosparrow does seem like a good target for early pressure, but I think I'll find time to reread the thread before I do anything serious.
This post just seems wierd. You all can read it and find out why. If no one else does, its just me being paranoid again, which has happened a lot, but I think I'm on to something here.
For the time being FOS God Child
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Also, if anyone else besides Deadly Budah feels like defending him, that would be a really good idea right about now, because if we don't come up with a better plan he'll probably get lynched (that's not a vote, I'm just pointing out the facts here).
worthawholebean> I vote early a lot of the time because I'm online a lot. Doesn't mean I'm not thinking about my choices. Indeed, I started several of the so-called wagons. I unvote fast for the same reason - why keep a vote on someone once they've got a valid defence ?
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Do you actually not read the arguments attached to votes ? Or do you not agree with them but just decide to keep counter-arguments to yourself ?
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After looking at the voting and posting patterns, paying specific attention to those who voted for fayul and those she voted for, I almost instantly realized that Deadly Budah falls very neatly in this category. (As do kpaca/titus and swinkee.)
I've been meaning to ask this for a while, but what category was DB in? It isn't specified earlier in the post... If it's people who didn't vote for Fayul who she didn't vote for, that's somewhat suspicious, but not a proof of scuminess by any means.
What's the main basis of the case against DB? Has anyone done a PBPA or anything?
This post just seems wierd. You all can read it and find out why. If no one else does, its just me being paranoid again, which has happened a lot, but I think I'm on to something here.
For the time being FOS God Child
That post is me getting angry at Axelrod for not making my vote count. I didn't want to inflame him too much, because its never a good idea to anger a mod, but I wanted him to know how I felt:
Also, as we are now a week into this day, this will serve as your official warning that a deadline may be forthcoming, but I will wait until the weekend is over before deciding whether or not to set one.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Deadly Budah hasn't been online for 3 days. He never said he would be away for some while. That rises a problem: He is the most suspicious at the moment in my book. Do we wait for him to come back (wich may take too long, I suspect the deadline will be at wednesday again) or do we take away his chance for defending himself and lynching him?
I think that we need to give him the chance to defend himself. We want to make sure we don't miss a lynch. ATM, however, we're still quite a few votes from a lynch. So VOTE: Deadly Budah. We don't want to lynch him yet, but we do want to put oressure on him.
Was away from my computer with relatives since wendsday and I'm just getting back now, sorry about the lack of posting but it couldn't have been helped. Anyway as for the matter at hand, I kind of phased out of this thread towards the end of day one so I wasn't aware there was an opurtunity to lynch Fayul, besides that I don't exactly see how I've been acting scumesque.
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This is a tricky one. In some ways I sympathise, because Deadly Budah really was absent when he says he was, according to post logs.
On the other hand, he hasn't provided much of a defence against any of the other causes of suspicion either.
It's true that there's no one convincing piece of evidence against him, but we can't set a precedent of regarding silence and apathy as a valid defence or every mafia game will turn into a wall of silence.
Vote: Deadly Budah
I may retract this vote if he reads the thread, takes the trouble to locate and respond to the case against him and suggests a better alternative.
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Convienient, maybe but also the truth. I thoght day one was going nowhere so I voted for the most suspicious person I could find at the time, Aurora, and stopped visiting the thread. Not much of a defence I know, maybe I should get subbed out.
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Aparently I can't subout untill tomorow. So I'm going to try to avoid screwing over the town here; My role and my replacements, asuming I servive to have one, is Denethor, last steward of Gondor. I have a kind of investigatorial ability via the Palantir, but if I use it there's a 50% chance of "coruption" not exactly sure what that entales but I'm leaning toward suicide over outright mafiaization.
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Not realy, I said that I could investigate someone and find out their role, but if I do so there's a 50% chamce that something goes horrably wrong. It only starts to get vague when you consider what happens after a botched attempt. Why I haven't used it yet. I'd like to have more to tell you but all I had was a vague warning that "some counsels would make certain the enemy's victory".
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ANNOUNCEMENT: I know I said I would wait until the weekend was over, but considering the amount of activity on the thread, I don't see why I can't set it now. I am calling a deadline for the day. Day 2 will end on Wednesday, June 29, at approximately 10:00 p.m. E.S.T.
I will also confirm that DB did ask to be replaced, but considering his position, I am not going to ask anyone else to take over for him right now. If he survives to day three, then he will be replaced.
REMINDER: If no one has achieved a majority of the vote by the deadline there will be NO LYNCH.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Well, I feel much better about my vote now - that claim looks more than a bit dubious to me !
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mmmm...I have been reading the thread it's just been tech weekend for a show I'm in...so busy. But Deadly Budah is our best lynch option. A sleeper is worth getting out of the way. And better yet maybe he's lying. VOTE: deadly Budah
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Ok Armlx...why does him claming a Soldier of Gondor make him scum? We have only seen Riders. So? That doesn;t make him mafia if he's a generic townie. FOS: Armlx
That's an argument against armlx, but you go on to FOS worthawholebean ?! Was that a typo ?
FOS: SOS
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SOS explained the reasoning quite well. Why make 2 vanilla role names?
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25: 25.1%
26: 25.3%
I believe that there are both Riders of Rohan and Soldiers of Gondor, and that both roles exist is duplicate. It just seems to make sense.
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By all means. Ideally, a PBPA should be done on everyone, but that too difficult/time consuming. I for one don't have the time to do a PBPA right now, although I might in a week or so.
I don't know exactly how effective a PBPA is, though, as I've rarely seen them used on news, but they seem to have helped me get a better idea of a player.
Also, there's being worryingly little commentary on the whole armlx thing. You guys do read the thread, right ?
Just to clarify, I expect every player to be doing one of three things:
1) Making points in defence of armlx.
2) Voting for armlx.
3) Expressing interest in the plan I mentioned earlier which aims to prove or disprove armlx's scum status (possibly at the cost of a vanilla townie needing to claim).
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Anyway, here's the plan: worthawholebean has claimed to be a Soldier of Gondor. So, there's a really easy way to work out if we have multiples of vanilla roles...
...would the other Soldier(s) of Gondor please come forward now !
If there isn't another one, I think it's pretty clear that armlx has blown his cover. Of course if there is another Soldier then I'll take my vote off armlx.
Incidentally, anyone who tries sugegsting that it isn't worth one vanilla roleclaim to clear armlx is very likely mafia, so we can then lynch them instead !
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No other soldiers come forward.
We are meant to soak up night kills while the power roles finish off the mafia. If we all claim then the mafia knows who the power roles are and kills them off instead of us and we end up losing in an information war.
With me coming forward, we have 2 riders and 2 soldiers. that should be enough to prove we exist. as far as how many of us there are, that should be kept secret. between his claim and what he said about his role PM, armlx is cleared.
But I've said enough. I leave that particular tricky question for others to tackle. For now I will do as I promised: unvote: armlx
In view of the possible "both mafia" option:
FOS: draygn_mage
FOS: armlx
What does everyone else think ?
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I'm still not sure what Armlx did that's so suspicious. SOS, however, does look a little bad. But, as usual, no one looks that suspicious.
Alright so as I see it the remaing scum/SK are in this group
-God Child
-LJustus
-SOS
-Rhino
-Titus
-Bateleur
-Deadly Budah
-Swinkee
As for who to go after today....I'm not sure...I think I can narroiw the lsit down though
--LJustus
--Rhino
--Titus
--Deadly Budah
--Swinkee
I tend to believe that both armlx and Draygn are clear for now.
haha, all these guys are the low posters group. i think it's a bad idea to assume that just because a player if prolific, he's townie. for instance, there's the idea that a mafia player could avoid the rader by, well, flying straight into it. with that said, i don't have any solid conclusions to draw...
oh, and with the vanilla roles thing: i would say that there are more than one of each vanilla role. (my guess is that we have 6, total).
I still think that at least one relatively experienced player is mafia, at least experienced enough to know Hawkeye is a high poster and Azrael should not be targetted night one.
Eomer is the leader of Gondor? If so, I think we can assume he's around.
1. God Child
2. dazbog_eaterofsouls
4. LJustus
9. SOS
10. Rhinocero
11. titus
16. Deadly Budah
18. worthawholebean
19. swinkee
In here there's 2-3 mafia and 1 SK, giving us almost 50% odds. We're doing well.
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21: 28.9%
22: 27.5%
23: 26.3%
24: 25.5%
25: 25.1%
26: 25.3%
Honestly, despite my first examination, I am somewhat suspicious of GC. I've reread some other games with him and he seems like a good enough player to pull this off if he is scum.
I'm also tempted to go after bat due to how close he was with Fayul until we went after her.
Armlx - 1 (Enigma91)
With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
Why not do a PBPA on me ? That seems a bit more rational than basing your attack on a complete fiction like that.
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Living
1. God Child (D1 – StevieT92, swinkee, Fayul, armlx; D2 - aurorasparrow)
2. dazbog_eaterofsouls (D1 – Fayul)
4. LJustus (D1 – Enigma91, aurorasparrow, fayul)
5. draygn_mage (D1 – Fayul)
8. aurorasparrow (claimed Frodo; D1 – Fayul, rhincero)
9. SOS (D1 – No lynch, armlx, worthawholebean, fayul)
10. Rhinocero (D1 – worthawholebean, armlx, fayul)
11. titus (replacing kpaca; D1 – worthawholebean; D2 - aurorasparrow)
12. bateleur (D1 - armlx, worthawholebean, fayul; D2 – aurorasparrow, armlx)
14. Armlx (Claimed Rider of Rohan; D1 – SOS, Enigma91, pebbly, Enigma91 – after claim, swinkee, worthawholebean; D2 - SOS)
15. Enigma91 (Claimed Boromir; D1 - Fayul; D2 – aurorasparrow, armlx)
16. Deadly Budah (D1 – Enigma91, aurorasparrow; D2 aurorasparrow)
18. worthawholebean (Claimed Soldier of Gondor; D1 – fayul)
19. swinkee (D1 – god child, worthawholebean)
Killed before we had any info
17. help im a bug (ORC-Mafia) Strangled to death Night 1
20. StevieT92 (SAMWISE GAMGEE-Town) Beheaded Night 1
3. Hawkeye7 (ARAGORN-Town Investigator/Future King) Hacked to pieces Night 1
13. Fayul (WITCH-KING OF ANGMAR-Mafia with Morgul blade) Lynched Day 1 (D1 – Enigma91, Azrael, armlx, worthawholebean)
7. Azrael (RIDER OF ROHAN-Student of Aragorn) Hacked to pieces Night 2 (D1 – StevieT92, Fayul)
6. Pibbly (GALADRIAL-Town Gift Giver) Strangled Night 2 (D1 – Deadly Budah, aurorasparrow, armlx, worthawholebean, fayul)
Order of votes at end of D1
Fayul - 9 (draygn mage, dazbog_eaterofsouls, Azrael, bateleur, worthawholebean, SOS, Rhinocero, LJustus, Enigma91)
aurorasparrow - 1 (Deadly Budah)
armlx - 1 (god child)
worthawholebean - 3 (armlx, swinkee, Fayul)
Rhinocero - 1 (aurorasparrow)
After looking at the voting and posting patterns, paying specific attention to those who voted for fayul and those she voted for, I almost instantly realized that Deadly Budah falls very neatly in this category. (As do kpaca/titus and swinkee.)
vote Deadly Budah
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Not much else to do, but following Ljustus's lead I will PBPA buddah by tomorrow
why have PBPAs become so popular? in may opinion, they're fairly useless (and too easy to manipulate - you can simply strawman away and accuse them of things which they may not have said)
a simple analysis suffices in all cases where people think you 'need' a PBPA
Not "on solid ground" ? Apart from the blatantly false accusation that I didn't vote for Fayul, nobody's accused me of anything yet. What exactly are you getting at ?
Also, did it ever occur to you not to sign up for a game you don't have time to play in ?
I'm not sure the case against Deadly Budah warrants a vote, but there does appear to be something to LJustus' reasoning, so: FOS: Deadly Budah
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Right now, I think the most suspicious people are those who both never voted ofr Fayul, and were never voted for by fayul. The fact that fayul was lynched day 1 means that she probally isn't all that good, no offence if you are still reading along. I doubt she would have done a phoney vote on a fellow mafia member, but you never know. Therefore, FoS: Budah, Titus and Swinkee. I don't think we should lynch titus because of the actions of the person he is replacing, though, so I'm maingly looking for input from Budah and Swinkee.
This post just seems wierd. You all can read it and find out why. If no one else does, its just me being paranoid again, which has happened a lot, but I think I'm on to something here.
For the time being FOS God Child
worthawholebean> I vote early a lot of the time because I'm online a lot. Doesn't mean I'm not thinking about my choices. Indeed, I started several of the so-called wagons. I unvote fast for the same reason - why keep a vote on someone once they've got a valid defence ?
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Do you actually not read the arguments attached to votes ? Or do you not agree with them but just decide to keep counter-arguments to yourself ?
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I've been meaning to ask this for a while, but what category was DB in? It isn't specified earlier in the post... If it's people who didn't vote for Fayul who she didn't vote for, that's somewhat suspicious, but not a proof of scuminess by any means.
What's the main basis of the case against DB? Has anyone done a PBPA or anything?
That post is me getting angry at Axelrod for not making my vote count. I didn't want to inflame him too much, because its never a good idea to anger a mod, but I wanted him to know how I felt:
Deadly Budah - 2 (LJustus, SOS)
With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
Also, as we are now a week into this day, this will serve as your official warning that a deadline may be forthcoming, but I will wait until the weekend is over before deciding whether or not to set one.
I think that we need to give him the chance to defend himself. We want to make sure we don't miss a lynch. ATM, however, we're still quite a few votes from a lynch. So VOTE: Deadly Budah. We don't want to lynch him yet, but we do want to put oressure on him.
On the other hand, he hasn't provided much of a defence against any of the other causes of suspicion either.
It's true that there's no one convincing piece of evidence against him, but we can't set a precedent of regarding silence and apathy as a valid defence or every mafia game will turn into a wall of silence.
Vote: Deadly Budah
I may retract this vote if he reads the thread, takes the trouble to locate and respond to the case against him and suggests a better alternative.
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a) ask for a replacement, maybe roleclaim
b) get lynched.
since this thread is dying and it won't matter if you get replaced and either way youre suspicious and a low poster, vote DB
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25: 25.1%
26: 25.3%
Vote Deadly Buddah
Deadly Budah - 6 (LJustus, SOS, Rhinocero, bateleur, aurorasparrow, armlx)
With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
ANNOUNCEMENT: I know I said I would wait until the weekend was over, but considering the amount of activity on the thread, I don't see why I can't set it now. I am calling a deadline for the day. Day 2 will end on Wednesday, June 29, at approximately 10:00 p.m. E.S.T.
I will also confirm that DB did ask to be replaced, but considering his position, I am not going to ask anyone else to take over for him right now. If he survives to day three, then he will be replaced.
REMINDER: If no one has achieved a majority of the vote by the deadline there will be NO LYNCH.
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