1.) Armlx, who appears to be our best lead and potentially the most possible mafia, if Vecna is giving us the right information.
2.) Vecna, who will have to better explain his information once Armlx posts and may have to come clean on exactly who he is.
3.) Stevie, who will have to explain his involvement with the town, once both Armlx and Vecna clear themselves.
I think I can agree with this as well. It's fairly systemmatic and focuses on our best leads at the moment.
@Puzzle: I agree with you; it's a bit hard to believe that they both might be town. My focus is a bit more on Vecna at this point, but it could be possible that Vecna's activity is just... well, Vecna just being Vecna.
On the one hand, there is very little verifiability in Vecna's ability and his stated plan for using it, as Dusk_ has said.
On the other hand, if we lynch Armlx and he turns out town, Vecna has to know that there's no way he's escaping a vig kill or lynch. And a one-for-one trade is not good for the mafia.
Therefore, vote Armlx.
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I'm going to give Armlx some time to explain, and only FOS Armlx for now...but to let Vecna know that he's not off of the hook (at least in my opinion) I'll Vote: Vecna
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
Except, Blinking, Vecna isn't saying that armlx is Mafia. He's saying that he knows what card armlx is. Even if we do lynch armlx, we have no way of knowing if Vecna was telling the truth.
But, I forgot to do this on my last post. Vote armlx. Now I'm going along with it.
If there is no contradiction, they are either two scums (which would really screw us - it's unlikely, though) or two towns.
Or vecna could just be saying what ever armlx says is true is what he knows. unvote
There'll be time to lynch AFTER armlx posts, I'd prefer to wait.
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Except, Blinking, Vecna isn't saying that armlx is Mafia. He's saying that he knows what card armlx is. Even if we do lynch armlx, we have no way of knowing if Vecna was telling the truth.
I'm not sure I follow that at all. Even if Vecna hasn't directly said it, both this post and this post heavily suggest that Vecna is saying that he is. Or at least, whatever his claim is, that it will be something to get him lynched by the town. Now, I don't see how he'd get lynched if he was a townie and Venca's ability proved it. Now, given that all Vecna is really claiming is that he can find out what Armlx's true card is...
Anyhow, I don't like any of this situation. Of the two, I think Vecna is behaving more strangely and not trying to make any sense. As a result, I fear that he's simply trying to throw up a lot of garbage for us to sort through at the moment. I think that increases our risk of lynching a townie, as opposed to actually lynching a member of the mafia.
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unFOS Vecna_Reborn Vote Vecna_Reborn
Until you explain what exactly is going on here, I see no reason to believe that you are doing anything but trying to manipulate things in such a way that they are not good for the town. If you explain things clearly, then that will not only clear my vote of you, but also relax any prior suspicions I had.
Unfortunately, Vecna is just like that. He enjoys being incomprehensible and watching the confusion this causes in others. Much like Unsan, he always comes across as somewhat scummy. And, as often as not it seems, he's not.
I will trust that there is a point to his gamesmanship; but if Armlx claims and Vecna's response is "Yup, that's what I thought, I guess you're clear" nothing will get my vote off him.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Hmmmmm. In what is surely not a good sign for Armlx, I observed him reading the thread not too long ago. Now he is gone with no response.
Hmmmmm.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I most definitely killed Pibbly, though that was bout all I can do. 1 shot vig :(. Assumed if anyone he was scum as he lurked, and BK lurked. Probably was a bad use of my ability (without knowing he was scum) but it turned out ok.
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Ditto. There is nothing obviously wrong with this claim. In fact, it's a card I speculated about him being previously (when he mentioned his ability fit his card, and he was a Red Rare). So, clearly, if this is a false-claim, he has been planning it for a while.
Vecna, I don't know what kind of "proof" you have that Armlx is lying, but now's the time.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I most definitely killed Pibbly, though that was bout all I can do. 1 shot vig :(. Assumed if anyone he was scum as he lurked, and BK lurked. Probably was a bad use of my ability (without knowing he was scum) but it turned out ok.
Man it is too bad that you're only a one time vig, but why weren't you "tapped" after you used the ability?
But now that I think about it... Wouldn't you need to be some sort of "Assassin" to completely kill someone. Unless you're limited to killing creatures with only 1 toughness, in which case, there should be more vigs with varying ability's or we are really crippled with the vig thing. hmm maybe a team of vig's if its all pingers(stacking damage?). oh well, mindless speculation on my part. As for what else is going on... iIm going to reserve my vote on Vecna, unlike everyone else.
Man it is too bad that you're only a one time vig, but why weren't you "tapped" after you used the ability?
But now that I think about it... Wouldn't you need to be some sort of "Assassin" to completely kill someone. Unless you're limited to killing creatures with only 1 toughness, in which case, there should be more vigs with varying ability's or we are really crippled with the vig thing. hmm maybe a team of vig's if its all pingers(stacking damage?). oh well, mindless speculation on my part. As for what else is going on... iIm going to reserve my vote on Vecna, unlike everyone else.
Eh? I have no idea what you're saying. I seriously doubt that Highroller made his role "Deal 1 damage to target player".
Anyone, now that we got what we wanted, I'll try to get what I wanted :p. Vote Vecna.
Man it is too bad that you're only a one time vig, but why weren't you "tapped" after you used the ability?
But now that I think about it... Wouldn't you need to be some sort of "Assassin" to completely kill someone. Unless you're limited to killing creatures with only 1 toughness, in which case, there should be more vigs with varying ability's or we are really crippled with the vig thing. hmm maybe a team of vig's if its all pingers(stacking damage?). oh well, mindless speculation on my part. As for what else is going on... iIm going to reserve my vote on Vecna, unlike everyone else.
1st part: My ability doesn't make me tap, so I didn't. Seems like it should be obvious, but you never know.
2nd part: What? Why would it be so complex? My head hurts.
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Bahahhahahahaha. Now I know two roles which the mafia believes to not be in the game.
I have quite an odd role. Yes, I believe (unless I ewp'd it out of the post im thinking of) I have mentioned it in the thread, but there is a twist to it.
I am what, in the normal mafia game vernacular (sp/usage? heh), would be called a Jack-of-All-Trades.
I have several options to choose from per night, and it is essentially the standard layout for a Jack, but, I wish to leave the truth of one thing a secret from the mafia, I may have a unique other ability, and I may have roleblocking. Essentially, I may emulate whichever ability I want for the night. EWP: Crud. This is more ambiguous than I wanted it to be. I should fix it, but I have emptied my brain of all intelligence.
As I have said, there is a limit.
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Unlike a standard Jack (well, the ones I am used to) I may use an ability more than once, but I am limited to three total in the game, one per night. Currently I have used an inspect on armlx (JAAAAAADEEEEEEEE MAAAAAAAAAAAFIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAA LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECH) and done nothing else. The restriction on the abilities is that I may not use one single thing for all three of my uses. (So I could, for example, investigate
Plus, look at the nightkills, per favore.
We had one, iirc (a lot of this relies on my memory, which, as we have established, is bad) last night, the killing of Mr. Pibmafiabs. What an easy claim for him to make, as why would a mafia kill his ally. Good move armlx, you proved the worst possible for the town, and have allowed us to know what must be the truth about the mafia.(Based on my observations, of course.) I believe this supports the two mafia idea (which should be considered, unless I am insane/variant in my abilities, which I have never heard of for a Jack). The problem with my theory here is that there was not a second kill, and I can attempt to explain this away.
His mafia kills a person they believe to be powerful, or maybe they even know he is mafia... He claims the kill as his (lucky) own. May I ask why you wasted your only ability on an unproven player either way? (I am joking of course, I am sure you get a kill every night, and are preparing a spell for me. Cheers. Also, anyone who might think of protecting me tonight, when you find that armlx is mafia when you lynch him, don't bother protecting me. EXPLANATION OF WHY FURTHER EXPLANATION WAS REMOVED WAS DELETED BECAUSE IT MADE ME SOUND STUPID. In relation to what I already appear...)
Furthermore (about last night's kills) if he indeed is a vig, which he isnt, then why did the mafia not have a kill, or why did happen to choose the same person (lol right :rolleyez: ) who happened to be among their members?
I doubt any doctors would have successful protections so early in the game, but I could be wrong/unlucky.
In conclusion, but not really, as I have more than one shot total for my ability, and he has nothing, what would you rather gamble on, someone with no further extra potential for the advancement of the town and you must trust the word of, or someone who has two more uses of rather nice things, who you may lynch immidiately tomorrow if he happens to be lying, who claims to know that someone is mafia (which is completely provable.)
Finally, thank you Axelrod. I do indeed play in a weird manner. I guess that was a complement. (This is referring to a post a page or two back)
EWP 2nd Finally: Also, why would I make a fool of myself when I had almost no pressure on me (check out when I began this crazy stunt). Oh, by the way, iirc, I FoS'd armlx yesterday, but that was pretty much only just checking reaction based on my initial hypothesis. I do that a lot I guess.
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Uh...sifting through all the crap that was thrown around there...Vecna is apparently an Inspector, Doctor, Vigilante, Roleblocker and either can't be nightkilled, or kills whomever nightkills him. Right. I find it much more likely that he'd be the opposing Mafia godfather who's trying to get some revenge.
Vote armlx. Either way, armlx is mafia, I suppose. Still though, someone check out Vecna. There's no way that he's every single power role combined into one.
Hm....I am going to Unvote. I am not going to vote today. Besides me having no idea who is lying here are my reasons:
1) If we kill Vecna and he was Jack then tommorow we kill Armlx
2) If we kill Vecna and he is mafia then Armlx is pretty much cleared
3) If we kill Vecna and he is town then well...He was being Vecna
4) If we kill Armlx and he is mafia then Vecna will probably get a night kill
5) If we kill Armlx and he is town then we kill Vecna.
No matter what our options for tommorow are pretty clear. And if some of these happen then Stevie gets killed tommorow making me very happy!
Uh...sifting through all the crap that was thrown around there...Vecna is apparently an Inspector, Doctor, Vigilante, Roleblocker and either can't be nightkilled, or kills whomever nightkills him. Right. I find it much more likely that he'd be the opposing Mafia godfather who's trying to get some revenge.
Vote armlx. Either way, armlx is mafia, I suppose. Still though, someone check out Vecna. There's no way that he's every single power role combined into one.
please look up Jack of All Trades. It has been used on News/Salv before. Its a single shot of each common ability. Cop/Doc/Vig. Mine is a bit different.
And I MAY have roleblocking, etc.
Also, there are mafia godfathers?
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please look up Jack of All Trades. It has been used on News/Salv before. Its a single shot of each common ability. Cop/Doc/Vig. Mine is a bit different.
And I MAY have roleblocking, etc.
Also, there are mafia godfathers?
Another misinterpretation, this one not my fault though:
I may use an ability more than once, but I am limited to three total in the game, one per night.
I take it that you don't mean each ability up to three times.
Also, since when are there non-mafia godfathers? Well, MTGNews Mafia, but that's an exception.
I missed MTGN mafia. Please explain.
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Yes, that is what I said. I phrased everything that I remember correctly. There is no error in the statement, only in the reader.
Also, sorry about what moxen is now calling CYO Mafia. News died and so I wanted to ummm I have no real reason for deletion.
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Sorryguy, the "im not spamming" thing was because i thought it was the last page, and i had posted like a page ago, and then i waited for someone to post so i could post again. needless to say, nobody did, and i had to go to bed.
about my "die scum" post, i thought it was obvious.
He basically said, "i support this lynch, because i know hes town, and we have to lynch someone. But, when hes about to be lycnhed, im gonna unvote him, so i don't look suspicious."
Sorryguy, the "im not spamming" thing was because i thought it was the last page, and i had posted like a page ago, and then i waited for someone to post so i could post again. needless to say, nobody did, and i had to go to bed.
about my "die scum" post, i thought it was obvious.
He basically said, "i support this lynch, because i know hes town, and we have to lynch someone. But, when hes about to be lycnhed, im gonna unvote him, so i don't look suspicious."
vote stands.
This is a short post but a meaningful one. Are you claiming that by the the time Dusk posted Yesterday, 04:35 PM you were sleeping, or atleast not at your computer anymore?
So while you were waiting of so patiently waiting for someone to post in this thread so you could keep talking you went outside. Fair enough. However how is it then that yuo were able to find time to make a 6 word post in Nan's Shop at Yesterday, 04:38 PM yey not post here at 4:35?
So while you were waiting of so patiently waiting for someone to post in this thread so you could keep talking you went outside. Fair enough. However how is it then that yuo were able to find time to make a 6 word post in Nan's Shop at Yesterday, 04:38 PM yey not post here at 4:35?
IIRC, i made that post and then left
you can keep questioning me, but i dont really remember.
you can keep questioning me, but i dont really remember.
The Nature of the lie is pretty meaningless but I think you were lieing about waiting for someone esle to post. I think you were just spamming, but thats you. Personally, and outside this game, your fine by me but yuo have been very spammy here and I hope the once the Armlx/Vecna thing is over we can rid ourshelves of you.
I've seen the Jack role before, I believe it. Vote stands.
My vote on Iammars was very specifically not intended to lynch him. I said that I did not support a lynch unless he refused to explain himself. So Stevie, you obviously weren't reading very carefully, or voting very carefully.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Nevertheless, let's try to parse this post and see whether it makes any sense at all:
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Bahahhahahahaha. Now I know two roles which the mafia believes to not be in the game.
Um, what two roles? Why do the mafia believe them not to be in the game? How does Armlx's claim tell you this?
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I have quite an odd role. Yes, I believe (unless I ewp'd it out of the post im thinking of) I have mentioned it in the thread, but there is a twist to it.
I do not see where you have mentioned anything about your role, other than that it worked.
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I am what, in the normal mafia game vernacular (sp/usage? heh), would be called a Jack-of-All-Trades.
I have several options to choose from per night, and it is essentially the standard layout for a Jack, but, I wish to leave the truth of one thing a secret from the mafia, I may have a unique other ability, and I may have roleblocking. Essentially, I may emulate whichever ability I want for the night. EWP: Crud. This is more ambiguous than I wanted it to be. I should fix it
You are a Jack-of-all-trades. You can choose to either Inspect/Doc/Vig. etc. You can only do one thing a night. Is that correct? Plus, you may have another ability--roleblocking. But you don't know? This seems overly powerful.
Plus, I miss the part of this claim where you say your card.
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I have emptied my brain of all intelligence.
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Unlike a standard Jack (well, the ones I am used to) I may use an ability more than once, but I am limited to three total in the game, one per night. Currently I have used an inspect on armlx (JAAAAAADEEEEEEEE MAAAAAAAAAAAFIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAA LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECH) and done nothing else. The restriction on the abilities is that I may not use one single thing for all three of my uses.
Ah, here's the rub. You have inspected Armlx. And you found he is mafia. Specifically, you found that his card is Jade Leech (which is not even in Seventh Edition). What the heck? Also, you didn't use any ability on the other night.
Do we believe that the mafia are cards not in Seventh Edition? I, for one, do not. I am as sure as I can be of anything in this game that there are two black paladins, both of whom are in Seventh Edition. Why on earth would Jade Leech be in this game?
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Plus, look at the nightkills, per favore.
We had one, iirc (a lot of this relies on my memory, which, as we have established, is bad) last night, the killing of Mr. Pibmafiabs. What an easy claim for him to make, as why would a mafia kill his ally. Good move armlx, you proved the worst possible for the town, and have allowed us to know what must be the truth about the mafia.(Based on my observations, of course.) I believe this supports the two mafia idea (which should be considered, unless I am insane/variant in my abilities, which I have never heard of for a Jack). The problem with my theory here is that there was not a second kill, and I can attempt to explain this away.
You see that there was only one kill last night. This kill was of a mafia. Therefore (knowing as you do that Armlx is mafia) you deduce that there are, in fact, two mafia groups, and that what happened was that Armlx's mafia group killed Pibbly who was in the other mafia. You either forget or deliberately omit the fact that I was a target myself last night, as stated in the opening day post. Also, a two mafia game would mean that both groups missed their kill on night one.
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His mafia kills a person they believe to be powerful, or maybe they even know he is mafia... He claims the kill as his (lucky) own. May I ask why you wasted your only ability on an unproven player either way? (I am joking of course, I am sure you get a kill every night, and are preparing a spell for me. Cheers.
And, um, why would they believe Pibbly to be powerful. Was it because of the powerful lurking he was doing? The tremendous lack of posting. From both him and Billking? Ah yes, I see. (not)
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Also, anyone who might think of protecting me tonight, when you find that armlx is mafia when you lynch him, don't bother protecting me. EXPLANATION OF WHY FURTHER EXPLANATION WAS REMOVED WAS DELETED BECAUSE IT MADE ME SOUND STUPID. In relation to what I already appear...)
I don't think you are in any danger of protection tonight. (Though I note that scum will sometimes make "offers" like this, hinting at a self-protect ability, as a way of explaining why they are still alive.
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Furthermore (about last night's kills) if he indeed is a vig, which he isnt, then why did the mafia not have a kill, or why did happen to choose the same person (lol right :rolleyez: ) who happened to be among their members?
I doubt any doctors would have successful protections so early in the game, but I could be wrong/unlucky.
Yes, you could be. In fact, I was the beneficairy of protection which I know for a certainty (still alive, you see). I may have been protected both nights. The much more likely explanation is that the mafia went after me (and failed) and Armlx used his ability on Pibbly, as he stated.
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In conclusion, but not really, as I have more than one shot total for my ability, and he has nothing, what would you rather gamble on, someone with no further extra potential for the advancement of the town and you must trust the word of, or someone who has two more uses of rather nice things, who you may lynch immidiately tomorrow if he happens to be lying, who claims to know that someone is mafia (which is completely provable.)
So, we should lynch Armlx because your claim means you are potentially more useful to the town. And if he turns out to be town, we can always lynch you tomorrow. This is the only thing you have said which makes any sense thus far.
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Finally, thank you Axelrod. I do indeed play in a weird manner. I guess that was a complement. (This is referring to a post a page or two back)
EWP 2nd Finally: Also, why would I make a fool of myself when I had almost no pressure on me (check out when I began this crazy stunt). Oh, by the way, iirc, I FoS'd armlx yesterday, but that was pretty much only just checking reaction based on my initial hypothesis. I do that a lot I guess.
What hypothesis was this? You either knew or didn't know he was mafia, correct?
I am less than impressed with your "evidence." Clearly, the mafia would not have killed one of their own last night. Therefore someone else killed Pibbly. Could this have been another mafia group? Theoretically, but if so, it does not explain why both mafia groups missed a kill on night one. Even if there were two mafia groups, why would one target Pibbly? The same questions arise if we speculate about the possibility of a SK. It is possible, but every day that goes on with no kill or a single kill makes it seem less and less likely.
If Armlx is lying about his card, it was a fairly bold lie. There are, by my count, 4-5 townies who are currently claiming a Red card, but who have not said what their card is. Assuming, for the moment, that they are all Red Rare cards, Armix had extremely bad odds of picking a card someone else didn't already have. Plus, he even hinted at his card earlier. I can't see a mafia, who was in reality Jade Leech, making a play like that.
So you appear to be wrong. Unless there is something I am missing in that mess of a post.
Next question is: are you a mafia attempting some kind of gambit, or a deluded townie? This I don't know. But what I do know is that I won't be putting a vote on Armlx based on this, unless someone else steps up and says that they are really the Embermage, or they are the one who actually took down Pibbly (at which point I will happily vote for Armlx.)
Please show me where I am mistaken.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Before I go to sleep this evening, and I'll wait until tomorrow to sort through Vecna's reply, I'll only have two more requests of Vecna:
1.) Claim color (which I do not believe you've actually stated, only rarity); and
2.) Your night's activity on Day 1/Day 2.
If you honestly investigated Armlx on Day 2/Day 3 and determined he's mafia (I doubt he's Jade Leech, for exactly the reason that Axelrod said), I'd like to know what else you've done.
In all fairness, at this point, I have trouble buying Vecna's explanation. It's possible he's a "Jack" and can do all this, or he's screwing around with the town. Either way, I'm going to wait until tomorrow to decide my next action.
Axelrod put up a very strong case against you, Vecna. I'm also very hesitant to believe your claim and your accusations. A 7th edition uncommon is the Jack of all Trades? I don't need to repeat Axel's other points, but they're all spot-on. Vote Vecna
Silly scum. I'm Reckless Embermage. Oddly enough, my day 2 role was also Ghitu Fire Eater. I have a crap vig ability. I target someone during the night, and 2 other people with same ability also target(I don't know who the other 2 are). If 2 of us target the same person, they die. We can only have 2 successful kills, but we haven't had one yet(unless the other 2 got Pibb).
For what it's worth, check the end of each sentence in post #372.
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This plan seems a little reckless. It was stated at the beggining that day one votes are usually random anyway, as I remember. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to just keep pressuring scummy people until one slips up, but it seems less likely, in my opinion, to cause damage.
The Jade Leech thing is interesting. Maybe it will be worth it to continue with claims.
Well that certainly changes things. Thank goodness for subliminal posts. Between Vecna and Cropcircles, this now becomes easy.
Vote: Armlx
Jade Leech?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Silly scum. I'm Reckless Embermage. Oddly enough, my day 2 role was also Ghitu Fire Eater. I have a crap vig ability. I target someone during the night, and 2 other people with same ability also target(I don't know who the other 2 are). If 2 of us target the same person, they die. We can only have 2 successful kills, but we haven't had one yet(unless the other 2 got Pibb).
For what it's worth, check the end of each sentence in post #372.
The Jade Leech thing is interesting. Maybe it will be worth it to continue with claims.
Well, that settles things then. By the way, now that you've fully claimed, you should probably say who you're targetting at night, if you actually want to kill someone.
@Rod: I meant cards, sorry. I mentioned names of roles previously, not my own role. I do know what I can do, I am not revealing it. Jade Leech has nothing to do with it. It is a random MT reference. I do not know his card, I know what his card is not. I know he is mafia. By powerful I mean they thought he had an ability/was mafia.
(I typed all that up in the address bar as I read...)
I have already claimed color: Blue
Who is to say that uncommon must = crap role? Who is to say my cardname has anything to do with my role?
Cropcircles has counterclaimed versus Armlx, how very very astounding. I love it.
I did nothing night one. I inspected night two.
Axelrod, RTFT Please.
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But seriously Vecna, your poor playstyle is just going to screw over the town. I don't even consider catching a scum to be redemption for the pointless and distracting nonsense you come up with.
With CropCircles counterclaim, that's enough to sway my vote for Armlx. If Armlx proves to be a member of the town, both Vecna and CropCircles are going down.
In the future Vecna, be a bit more straightforward.
Cripes, Cropcircles, don't target SorryGuy. He's been playing fine. I'm not sure there's anyone who we can be so certain of at this point that we should risk killing a townie. There's several who are somewhat suspicious, but that's all it is at this point.
It is interesting to note that, if Armlx is scum, then there does appear to be another killing group out there--as I still assume Armlx wouldn't kill a fellow mafia. That means someone else killed Pibbly (or someone else tried to kill me. I hate to think a townie would have tried to kill me last night, however.)
So that means (1) a two mafia set up, with Armlx's mafia killing Pibbly, as he stated, and the other mafia missing on me, OR (2) we have a SK, and the SK targeted either me or Pibbly, OR (3) a townie Vig. killed Pibbly, and we have just one mafia group that missed on me. Anyone see any other possibilities? The two killing group scenario is still questionable because there were no deaths night one. I might have been a target for death, but that's still only accounts for one missed kill. Where's the other one if there are two killing groups?
Does a townie want to step up and take credit for Pibbly? If so, we might still just be in a one mafia set up. But I don't want a useful Vig. to make himself a target either. So maybe that should be left for another day.
Also, the fact that Armlx apparantly falseclaimed, is evidence in support of the all black mafia theory, as he was scared to claim his true card. Or possibly he is one of the Black Paladins? Too bad we don't get card names on death. But if there is a role that can uncover this information tonight, it would be worth knowing. Pibbly's card too. We might want to consider getting back to partial claims tomorrow.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
1.) Armlx, who appears to be our best lead and potentially the most possible mafia, if Vecna is giving us the right information.
2.) Vecna, who will have to better explain his information once Armlx posts and may have to come clean on exactly who he is.
3.) Stevie, who will have to explain his involvement with the town, once both Armlx and Vecna clear themselves.
I think I can agree with this as well. It's fairly systemmatic and focuses on our best leads at the moment.
@Puzzle: I agree with you; it's a bit hard to believe that they both might be town. My focus is a bit more on Vecna at this point, but it could be possible that Vecna's activity is just... well, Vecna just being Vecna.
On the other hand, if we lynch Armlx and he turns out town, Vecna has to know that there's no way he's escaping a vig kill or lynch. And a one-for-one trade is not good for the mafia.
Therefore, vote Armlx.
candidus inperti; si nil, his utere mecum.
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But, I forgot to do this on my last post. Vote armlx. Now I'm going along with it.
Or vecna could just be saying what ever armlx says is true is what he knows.
unvote
There'll be time to lynch AFTER armlx posts, I'd prefer to wait.
I'm not sure I follow that at all. Even if Vecna hasn't directly said it, both this post and this post heavily suggest that Vecna is saying that he is. Or at least, whatever his claim is, that it will be something to get him lynched by the town. Now, I don't see how he'd get lynched if he was a townie and Venca's ability proved it. Now, given that all Vecna is really claiming is that he can find out what Armlx's true card is...
Anyhow, I don't like any of this situation. Of the two, I think Vecna is behaving more strangely and not trying to make any sense. As a result, I fear that he's simply trying to throw up a lot of garbage for us to sort through at the moment. I think that increases our risk of lynching a townie, as opposed to actually lynching a member of the mafia.
Therefore:
unFOS Vecna_Reborn
Vote Vecna_Reborn
Until you explain what exactly is going on here, I see no reason to believe that you are doing anything but trying to manipulate things in such a way that they are not good for the town. If you explain things clearly, then that will not only clear my vote of you, but also relax any prior suspicions I had.
I will trust that there is a point to his gamesmanship; but if Armlx claims and Vecna's response is "Yup, that's what I thought, I guess you're clear" nothing will get my vote off him.
Hmmmmm.
I was Reckless Embermage, then became Ghitu Fire-Eater. My ability should be obvious....
Vecna, I don't know what kind of "proof" you have that Armlx is lying, but now's the time.
Unvote, Vote Vecna
Lying mafia scum....
Man it is too bad that you're only a one time vig, but why weren't you "tapped" after you used the ability?
But now that I think about it... Wouldn't you need to be some sort of "Assassin" to completely kill someone. Unless you're limited to killing creatures with only 1 toughness, in which case, there should be more vigs with varying ability's or we are really crippled with the vig thing. hmm maybe a team of vig's if its all pingers(stacking damage?). oh well, mindless speculation on my part. As for what else is going on... iIm going to reserve my vote on Vecna, unlike everyone else.
Well I will unvote for now. I'll wait until Vecna responds before voting again however.
Eh? I have no idea what you're saying. I seriously doubt that Highroller made his role "Deal 1 damage to target player".
Anyone, now that we got what we wanted, I'll try to get what I wanted :p. Vote Vecna.
1st part: My ability doesn't make me tap, so I didn't. Seems like it should be obvious, but you never know.
2nd part: What? Why would it be so complex? My head hurts.
I have quite an odd role. Yes, I believe (unless I ewp'd it out of the post im thinking of) I have mentioned it in the thread, but there is a twist to it.
I am what, in the normal mafia game vernacular (sp/usage? heh), would be called a Jack-of-All-Trades.
I have several options to choose from per night, and it is essentially the standard layout for a Jack, but, I wish to leave the truth of one thing a secret from the mafia, I may have a unique other ability, and I may have roleblocking. Essentially, I may emulate whichever ability I want for the night. EWP: Crud. This is more ambiguous than I wanted it to be. I should fix it, but I have emptied my brain of all intelligence.
As I have said, there is a limit.
Unlike a standard Jack (well, the ones I am used to) I may use an ability more than once, but I am limited to three total in the game, one per night. Currently I have used an inspect on armlx (JAAAAAADEEEEEEEE MAAAAAAAAAAAFIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAA LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECH) and done nothing else. The restriction on the abilities is that I may not use one single thing for all three of my uses. (So I could, for example, investigate
Plus, look at the nightkills, per favore.
We had one, iirc (a lot of this relies on my memory, which, as we have established, is bad) last night, the killing of Mr. Pibmafiabs. What an easy claim for him to make, as why would a mafia kill his ally. Good move armlx, you proved the worst possible for the town, and have allowed us to know what must be the truth about the mafia.(Based on my observations, of course.) I believe this supports the two mafia idea (which should be considered, unless I am insane/variant in my abilities, which I have never heard of for a Jack). The problem with my theory here is that there was not a second kill, and I can attempt to explain this away.
His mafia kills a person they believe to be powerful, or maybe they even know he is mafia... He claims the kill as his (lucky) own. May I ask why you wasted your only ability on an unproven player either way? (I am joking of course, I am sure you get a kill every night, and are preparing a spell for me. Cheers. Also, anyone who might think of protecting me tonight, when you find that armlx is mafia when you lynch him, don't bother protecting me. EXPLANATION OF WHY FURTHER EXPLANATION WAS REMOVED WAS DELETED BECAUSE IT MADE ME SOUND STUPID. In relation to what I already appear...)
Furthermore (about last night's kills) if he indeed is a vig, which he isnt, then why did the mafia not have a kill, or why did happen to choose the same person (lol right :rolleyez: ) who happened to be among their members?
I doubt any doctors would have successful protections so early in the game, but I could be wrong/unlucky.
In conclusion, but not really, as I have more than one shot total for my ability, and he has nothing, what would you rather gamble on, someone with no further extra potential for the advancement of the town and you must trust the word of, or someone who has two more uses of rather nice things, who you may lynch immidiately tomorrow if he happens to be lying, who claims to know that someone is mafia (which is completely provable.)
Finally, thank you Axelrod. I do indeed play in a weird manner. I guess that was a complement. (This is referring to a post a page or two back)
EWP 2nd Finally: Also, why would I make a fool of myself when I had almost no pressure on me (check out when I began this crazy stunt). Oh, by the way, iirc, I FoS'd armlx yesterday, but that was pretty much only just checking reaction based on my initial hypothesis. I do that a lot I guess.
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I was just thinking from a flavor stance ... sorry I was rambling and in a rush so it all kinda spewed out... Disregard all that...
Vote armlx. Either way, armlx is mafia, I suppose. Still though, someone check out Vecna. There's no way that he's every single power role combined into one.
fos vecna
do you usually play mafia like this? i dont believe i have played with you before.
my sig. made by me.
1) If we kill Vecna and he was Jack then tommorow we kill Armlx
2) If we kill Vecna and he is mafia then Armlx is pretty much cleared
3) If we kill Vecna and he is town then well...He was being Vecna
4) If we kill Armlx and he is mafia then Vecna will probably get a night kill
5) If we kill Armlx and he is town then we kill Vecna.
No matter what our options for tommorow are pretty clear. And if some of these happen then Stevie gets killed tommorow making me very happy!
ive been in a game he ran i think.
the choose your adventure mafia. that was fun.
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please look up Jack of All Trades. It has been used on News/Salv before. Its a single shot of each common ability. Cop/Doc/Vig. Mine is a bit different.
And I MAY have roleblocking, etc.
Also, there are mafia godfathers?
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Another misinterpretation, this one not my fault though:
I take it that you don't mean each ability up to three times.
Also, since when are there non-mafia godfathers? Well, MTGNews Mafia, but that's an exception.
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I may use an ability more than once, but I am limited to three total in the game, one per night.
Yes, that is what I said. I phrased everything that I remember correctly. There is no error in the statement, only in the reader.
Also, sorry about what moxen is now calling CYO Mafia. News died and so I wanted to ummm I have no real reason for deletion.
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about my "die scum" post, i thought it was obvious.
He basically said, "i support this lynch, because i know hes town, and we have to lynch someone. But, when hes about to be lycnhed, im gonna unvote him, so i don't look suspicious."
vote stands.
This is a short post but a meaningful one. Are you claiming that by the the time Dusk posted Yesterday, 04:35 PM you were sleeping, or atleast not at your computer anymore?
IIRC, i went outside. but i'm bot sure.
So while you were waiting of so patiently waiting for someone to post in this thread so you could keep talking you went outside. Fair enough. However how is it then that yuo were able to find time to make a 6 word post in Nan's Shop at Yesterday, 04:38 PM yey not post here at 4:35?
IIRC, i made that post and then left
you can keep questioning me, but i dont really remember.
The Nature of the lie is pretty meaningless but I think you were lieing about waiting for someone esle to post. I think you were just spamming, but thats you. Personally, and outside this game, your fine by me but yuo have been very spammy here and I hope the once the Armlx/Vecna thing is over we can rid ourshelves of you.
Edit: 3,000!
My vote on Iammars was very specifically not intended to lynch him. I said that I did not support a lynch unless he refused to explain himself. So Stevie, you obviously weren't reading very carefully, or voting very carefully.
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Nevertheless, let's try to parse this post and see whether it makes any sense at all:
Um, what two roles? Why do the mafia believe them not to be in the game? How does Armlx's claim tell you this?
I do not see where you have mentioned anything about your role, other than that it worked.
You are a Jack-of-all-trades. You can choose to either Inspect/Doc/Vig. etc. You can only do one thing a night. Is that correct? Plus, you may have another ability--roleblocking. But you don't know? This seems overly powerful.
Plus, I miss the part of this claim where you say your card.
No comment.
Ah, here's the rub. You have inspected Armlx. And you found he is mafia. Specifically, you found that his card is Jade Leech (which is not even in Seventh Edition). What the heck? Also, you didn't use any ability on the other night.
Do we believe that the mafia are cards not in Seventh Edition? I, for one, do not. I am as sure as I can be of anything in this game that there are two black paladins, both of whom are in Seventh Edition. Why on earth would Jade Leech be in this game?
You see that there was only one kill last night. This kill was of a mafia. Therefore (knowing as you do that Armlx is mafia) you deduce that there are, in fact, two mafia groups, and that what happened was that Armlx's mafia group killed Pibbly who was in the other mafia. You either forget or deliberately omit the fact that I was a target myself last night, as stated in the opening day post. Also, a two mafia game would mean that both groups missed their kill on night one.
And, um, why would they believe Pibbly to be powerful. Was it because of the powerful lurking he was doing? The tremendous lack of posting. From both him and Billking? Ah yes, I see. (not)
I don't think you are in any danger of protection tonight. (Though I note that scum will sometimes make "offers" like this, hinting at a self-protect ability, as a way of explaining why they are still alive.
Yes, you could be. In fact, I was the beneficairy of protection which I know for a certainty (still alive, you see). I may have been protected both nights. The much more likely explanation is that the mafia went after me (and failed) and Armlx used his ability on Pibbly, as he stated.
So, we should lynch Armlx because your claim means you are potentially more useful to the town. And if he turns out to be town, we can always lynch you tomorrow. This is the only thing you have said which makes any sense thus far.
What hypothesis was this? You either knew or didn't know he was mafia, correct?
I am less than impressed with your "evidence." Clearly, the mafia would not have killed one of their own last night. Therefore someone else killed Pibbly. Could this have been another mafia group? Theoretically, but if so, it does not explain why both mafia groups missed a kill on night one. Even if there were two mafia groups, why would one target Pibbly? The same questions arise if we speculate about the possibility of a SK. It is possible, but every day that goes on with no kill or a single kill makes it seem less and less likely.
If Armlx is lying about his card, it was a fairly bold lie. There are, by my count, 4-5 townies who are currently claiming a Red card, but who have not said what their card is. Assuming, for the moment, that they are all Red Rare cards, Armix had extremely bad odds of picking a card someone else didn't already have. Plus, he even hinted at his card earlier. I can't see a mafia, who was in reality Jade Leech, making a play like that.
So you appear to be wrong. Unless there is something I am missing in that mess of a post.
Next question is: are you a mafia attempting some kind of gambit, or a deluded townie? This I don't know. But what I do know is that I won't be putting a vote on Armlx based on this, unless someone else steps up and says that they are really the Embermage, or they are the one who actually took down Pibbly (at which point I will happily vote for Armlx.)
Please show me where I am mistaken.
1.) Claim color (which I do not believe you've actually stated, only rarity); and
2.) Your night's activity on Day 1/Day 2.
If you honestly investigated Armlx on Day 2/Day 3 and determined he's mafia (I doubt he's Jade Leech, for exactly the reason that Axelrod said), I'd like to know what else you've done.
In all fairness, at this point, I have trouble buying Vecna's explanation. It's possible he's a "Jack" and can do all this, or he's screwing around with the town. Either way, I'm going to wait until tomorrow to decide my next action.
Silly scum. I'm Reckless Embermage. Oddly enough, my day 2 role was also Ghitu Fire Eater. I have a crap vig ability. I target someone during the night, and 2 other people with same ability also target(I don't know who the other 2 are). If 2 of us target the same person, they die. We can only have 2 successful kills, but we haven't had one yet(unless the other 2 got Pibb).
For what it's worth, check the end of each sentence in post #372.
The Jade Leech thing is interesting. Maybe it will be worth it to continue with claims.
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Vote: Armlx
Jade Leech?
Well, that settles things then. By the way, now that you've fully claimed, you should probably say who you're targetting at night, if you actually want to kill someone.
(I typed all that up in the address bar as I read...)
I have already claimed color: Blue
Who is to say that uncommon must = crap role? Who is to say my cardname has anything to do with my role?
Cropcircles has counterclaimed versus Armlx, how very very astounding. I love it.
I did nothing night one. I inspected night two.
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But seriously Vecna, your poor playstyle is just going to screw over the town. I don't even consider catching a scum to be redemption for the pointless and distracting nonsense you come up with.
[The Family]
StevieT92 - 1 (Iammars)
carrion pigeons - 1 (StevieT92)
armlx - 7 (Vecna_Reborn, carrion pigeons, Crippled_Fist, Blinking Spirit, Crop Circles, Axelrod, fadeblue)
Vecna_Reborn - 4 (AlphaInsidious, epeeguy, Dusk_, armlx)
12 to lynch
We are all as God made us, and some of us much worse. I never said I was perfect.
StevieT92 - 1 (Iammars)
carrion pigeons - 1 (StevieT92)
armlx - 8 (Vecna_Reborn, carrion pigeons, Crippled_Fist, Blinking Spirit, Crop Circles, Axelrod, fadeblue, Puzzle)
Vecna_Reborn - 4 (AlphaInsidious, epeeguy, Dusk_, armlx)
12 to lynch
Puzzle, what're the websites and why are you linking to them?
1. Can Circles get someone to back up his claim? Like another group member? I as you this.
2. WTF? Jade Leech isn't even in 7th Ed.
StevieT92 - 1 (Iammars)
carrion pigeons - 1 (StevieT92)
armlx - 9 (Vecna_Reborn, carrion pigeons, Crippled_Fist, Blinking Spirit, Crop Circles, Axelrod, fadeblue, Puzzle, Kenji, Greebo)
Vecna_Reborn - 4 (AlphaInsidious, epeeguy, Dusk_, armlx)
12 to lynch
Vote Armlx
With CropCircles counterclaim, that's enough to sway my vote for Armlx. If Armlx proves to be a member of the town, both Vecna and CropCircles are going down.
In the future Vecna, be a bit more straightforward.
It is interesting to note that, if Armlx is scum, then there does appear to be another killing group out there--as I still assume Armlx wouldn't kill a fellow mafia. That means someone else killed Pibbly (or someone else tried to kill me. I hate to think a townie would have tried to kill me last night, however.)
So that means (1) a two mafia set up, with Armlx's mafia killing Pibbly, as he stated, and the other mafia missing on me, OR (2) we have a SK, and the SK targeted either me or Pibbly, OR (3) a townie Vig. killed Pibbly, and we have just one mafia group that missed on me. Anyone see any other possibilities? The two killing group scenario is still questionable because there were no deaths night one. I might have been a target for death, but that's still only accounts for one missed kill. Where's the other one if there are two killing groups?
Does a townie want to step up and take credit for Pibbly? If so, we might still just be in a one mafia set up. But I don't want a useful Vig. to make himself a target either. So maybe that should be left for another day.
Also, the fact that Armlx apparantly falseclaimed, is evidence in support of the all black mafia theory, as he was scared to claim his true card. Or possibly he is one of the Black Paladins? Too bad we don't get card names on death. But if there is a role that can uncover this information tonight, it would be worth knowing. Pibbly's card too. We might want to consider getting back to partial claims tomorrow.
StevieT92 - 1 (Iammars)
carrion pigeons - 1 (StevieT92)
armlx - 10 (Vecna_Reborn, carrion pigeons, Crippled_Fist, Blinking Spirit, Crop Circles, Axelrod, fadeblue, Puzzle, Kenji, Greebo, epeeguy)
Vecna_Reborn - 3 (AlphaInsidious, Dusk_, armlx)
12 to lynch