You know, Hvir is sorta right about the mafia probably not acting the way it did, if he was in it. And I don't think titus is it, based on the whole KCW rivalry, and his ability. And if Hvir is clear, axel is clear. As for me, I was a mason.
But what we don't have explained here is: why IS Lt. Ripper still alive???
Why haven't the mafia tried to kill him yet?
Role-claiming doc wouldn't be that hard to pull off. It's conceivable that we don't have one at all, I suppose.
And when you look at his history throughout the thread, we turn up some interesting things.
1. He backed the anti-Titus bandwagon, along with KCW.
2. When confronted with excellent logic, he refused to accept it and stuck to his wagon without refuting our arguments.
3. He had a dislike for Pibbly, and wanted him replaced by aurora sparrow, and what do you know: pibbly shows up dead on our doorstep the next day, even though he had no relevant abilities.
4. As the doctor supposedly protecting Hvir, he wouldn't have to worry much about being investigated, and would have been comfortable leaving hvir alive
5. Just how did the mafia get past security, and kill the Don?
6. Lt Ripper has never voted to lynch a scum, but he did vote against Billking
7. In a game this small, perhaps a doc would be too powerful, or, perhaps it would be out of flavor since we're all mafia.
8. Lt Ripper just now asked how many votes it takes to lynch, probably as a prelude to taking out Hvir, or to figure out if he could.
And wait a second, even on the second day, KCW was still trying to kill titus. You don't do that to your mafia buddy, not unless you're "special".
Plus, Hvir jumped on the anti-KCW wagon pretty fast, also an above-board move.
And, if titus was mafia, wouldn't he have tried to save his own skin by nuking hvir by now, on condition of lynching me later?
I have to admit, if Lt. Ripper hadn't claimed doc, I probably would have wanted to lynch him a long time ago.
He's the only one of us left who has a particularly scummy aura around him.
There's little things that could be construed to be scummy about Hvir and Titus, but nothing on the scale of Lt Ripper's faulty actions. There are somewhat plausible arguments in defense of Hvir and Titus' actions and reputation throughout the thread, the only thing our "doc" has going for him is his role-claim.
The three things that really clinch it for me is that:
1. Pibbly was killed off, when he had no relevant abilities, but he had gotten Lt. Ripper to dislike him.
2. Lt. Ripper has yet to make a correct lynch vote for the town, and worked together with KCW.
3. There is no explanation why he would still be alive, if he is the doc. We've been pretending otherwise at various points throughout the thread, but putting our deception aside, I think we are all experienced to know that doctor's can't self-protect, and I'm confident that any of those still remaining here would have been smart enough to take him out, if they had been mafia, or they would have picked a target like myself or axelrod.
I'm inclined to trust the rest of you. I can see the arguments in your favor.
But once we put aside the assumption that security would be a townie on the loyalist side, Lt. Ripper looks really, really bad.
I'm sorry but I still think that titus is mafia. He has an "untouchable" ability, and how do we know that he doesn't have some sort or restrictions for his "list"? Or that he doesn't even have a list at all? He didn't actually confirm roles, he just made people say what their role was and he would say "Yep, that's what you are" Or something like that.
Is it stil 4 to lynch?
As stated many times before, he actually TOLD me and Axelrod our roles.
For instance, I think he hinted about "how he wished his mom was a chef", in axelrod's case.
In my own experience with him, he asked: "Is a vigilante entertaining". So yes, we know he has a list.
As for restrictions, what kind of limitations are you talking about?
I have to admit, if Lt. Ripper hadn't claimed doc, I probably would have wanted to lynch him a long time ago.
He's the only one of us left who has a particularly scummy aura around him.
There's little things that could be construed to be scummy about Hvir and Titus, but nothing on the scale of Lt Ripper's faulty actions. There are somewhat plausible arguments in defense of Hvir and Titus' actions and reputation throughout the thread, the only thing our "doc" has going for him is his role-claim.
The three things that really clinch it for me is that:
1. Pibbly was killed off, when he had no relevant abilities, but he had gotten Lt. Ripper to dislike him.
2. Lt. Ripper has yet to make a correct lynch vote for the town, and worked together with KCW.
3. There is no explanation why he would still be alive, if he is the doc. We've been pretending otherwise at various points throughout the thread, but putting our deception aside, I think we are all experienced to know that doctor's can't self-protect, and I'm confident that any of those still remaining here would have been smart enough to take him out, if they had been mafia, or they would have picked a target like myself or axelrod.
I'm inclined to trust the rest of you. I can see the arguments in your favor.
But once we put aside the assumption that security would be a townie on the loyalist side, Lt. Ripper looks really, really bad.
Vote Lt. Rippper
This is, I believe, what is called overthinking a situation (and I should know, I do it all the time).
Is it possible there is no Doc is this game? Yes. Is that possibility more likely than there being a Mafia cop? Probably not. Not with a townie cop already established, plus a few other information roles.
Interestingly, one of the best pieces of evidence in Ripper's favor was brought out by Hvir. himself--i.e. that KCW's role description refers to his kill being "unblockable." If there is no Doc. what does that mean? It clearly is a reference to being able to go through Doc protection.
As for his being still alive: the Mafia have only had 2 night kills in this game. Night 1 they went after 20Bux. Why? I assume they felt he was a threat. He had claimed that he would get more powerful as the game went on, and they could have known this to be true, or just believed him.
Night 2 they went after Pibbly: I agree this makes no sense. Pibbly, from what I could see, was not a threat to anyone. He did have a minor investigative ability, and possibly this was a concern. But, also possibly, they just took him out because he was the least suspicious of anyone. As you (and I) are demonstrating, cases can be made against everyone still alive. This is good for the Traitor. Lt. Ripper, was protecting Hvir., and clearly wanted to vote Titus off. If Hvir was the Traitor, that's pleanty of reason to keep him alive, at least one more day.
If Ripper were the Traitor, why on earth wouldn't he vote for Hvir after you accused him, and got me on board. It would get rid of a cop. And the lynch would not be on his head, it would be on yours, since no one was after Hvir. before you brought it up. Is Ripper that cagey? To NOT take an easy opportunity to kill a dangerous townie, so he could keep pressing his case against another (by definition) innocent, who you and I have both been defending all game. That puts him in a worse situation going into tomorrow, if we lynch Titus and Titus turns out to be innocent.
I really don't know. But I'm not changing my vote right now.
Look at me, I was defending Hvir so strenuously the other day (and you were after him equally strenuously), are we reversing positions?
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If Ripper were the Traitor, why on earth wouldn't he vote for Hvir after you accused him, and got me on board. It would get rid of a cop. And the lynch would not be on his head, it would be on yours, since no one was after Hvir. before you brought it up. Is Ripper that cagey? To NOT take an easy opportunity to kill a dangerous townie, so he could keep pressing his case against another (by definition) innocent, who you and I have both been defending all game. That puts him in a worse situation going into tomorrow, if we lynch Titus and Titus turns out to be innocent.
The thing is, the Traitor has to survive not one day, but two. Casting the deciding vote carries as much of a stigma as the first vote.
This is, I believe, what is called overthinking a situation (and I should know, I do it all the time).
Is it possible there is no Doc is this game? Yes. Is that possibility more likely than there being a Mafia cop? Probably not. Not with a townie cop already established, plus a few other information roles.
Interestingly, one of the best pieces of evidence in Ripper's favor was brought out by Hvir. himself--i.e. that KCW's role description refers to his kill being "unblockable." If there is no Doc. what does that mean? It clearly is a reference to being able to go through Doc protection.
As for his being still alive: the Mafia have only had 2 night kills in this game. Night 1 they went after 20Bux. Why? I assume they felt he was a threat. He had claimed that he would get more powerful as the game went on, and they could have known this to be true, or just believed him.
Night 2 they went after Pibbly: I agree this makes no sense. Pibbly, from what I could see, was not a threat to anyone. He did have a minor investigative ability, and possibly this was a concern. But, also possibly, they just took him out because he was the least suspicious of anyone. As you (and I) are demonstrating, cases can be made against everyone still alive. This is good for the Traitor. Lt. Ripper, was protecting Hvir., and clearly wanted to vote Titus off. If Hvir was the Traitor, that's pleanty of reason to keep him alive, at least one more day.
If Ripper were the Traitor, why on earth wouldn't he vote for Hvir after you accused him, and got me on board. It would get rid of a cop. And the lynch would not be on his head, it would be on yours, since no one was after Hvir. before you brought it up. Is Ripper that cagey? To NOT take an easy opportunity to kill a dangerous townie, so he could keep pressing his case against another (by definition) innocent, who you and I have both been defending all game. That puts him in a worse situation going into tomorrow, if we lynch Titus and Titus turns out to be innocent.
I really don't know. But I'm not changing my vote right now.
Look at me, I was defending Hvir so strenuously the other day (and you were after him equally strenuously), are we reversing positions?
I have a feeling he might have switched over to Hvir, if he hadn't believed that it took 4 to lynch, not 3.
Shhhhhhhh. I'm just trying to see if he'll crack under the pressure.
The thing is, the Traitor has to survive not one day, but two. Casting the deciding vote carries as much of a stigma as the first vote.
But I don't think he knew that he had the opportunity to cast the final vote.
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Interestingly, one of the best pieces of evidence in Ripper's favor was brought out by Hvir. himself--i.e. that KCW's role description refers to his kill being "unblockable." If there is no Doc. what does that mean? It clearly is a reference to being able to go through Doc protection.
Can we trust much of anything that KCW said, honestly?
Well, that was fast.
Axelrod serves SafetyDance a tasty meal.
The mafia surround kingcobweb, beat him into submission then kick him to death. Searching among his belngings, you find...
kingcobweb was the Hitman. He was a traitor. If he made the nightkill, his kill couldnt be blocked and he had a 25% chance of not being seen.
It is now night 3, already. =/ Send me your night choices.
I wasn't taking KCW's word for it. Sparrow said it himself.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Plus, did you see that thing he did with the Ginsu knives? Very suspicious.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Man, do I really not want to go another 24 hour cycle without reaching a lynch. Is it possible we can get a vote from Titus here?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
You know, Hvir is sorta right about the mafia probably not acting the way it did, if he was in it. And I don't think titus is it, based on the whole KCW rivalry, and his ability. And if Hvir is clear, axel is clear. As for me, I was a mason.
And how can we trust you on that?
1. He backed the anti-Titus bandwagon, along with KCW.
Because I think that titus is scum, how the hell am I suppose to know if KCW was scum or not? If a am the doc (which I am) then I wouldn't be able to know if someone was scum or not, durr...
2. When confronted with excellent logic, he refused to accept it and stuck to his wagon without refuting our arguments.
I refuted your arguments plenty, you were the one who wouldn't come off the "don't vote for titus" bandwagon, in fact, you were the one who spearheaded it when titus was obviously acting very scummish.
3. He had a dislike for Pibbly, and wanted him replaced by aurora sparrow, and what do you know: pibbly shows up dead on our doorstep the next day, even though he had no relevant abilities.
I disliked Pibbly because he was basically your sheep, he had zero will of his own and would just follow whatever you said. How do you know that the Mafia wouldn't have just killed Pibbly to make me look bad?
4. As the doctor supposedly protecting Hvir, he wouldn't have to worry much about being investigated, and would have been comfortable leaving hvir alive
That is very convenient, but if you were Mafia, you would think exactly like this wouldn't you? And leave Hvir alive.
5. Just how did the mafia get past security, and kill the Don?
I don't carry around with me a gun to shoot people I have the doctor ability, I save people for a night, how the hell do I know how someone gets past me?
6. Lt Ripper has never voted to lynch a scum, but he did vote against Billking
titus.
7. In a game this small, perhaps a doc would be too powerful, or, perhaps it would be out of flavor since we're all mafia.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
8. Lt Ripper just now asked how many votes it takes to lynch, probably as a prelude to taking out Hvir, or to figure out if he could.
Dude, you were the one who is wanting to take out Hvir (or did want to) and you're saying that I want to? Where in the hell in my previous post did you see that? It was obviously directed at titus, giving the fact that I THINK HE'S SCUM!
And wait a second, even on the second day, KCW was still trying to kill titus. You don't do that to your mafia buddy, not unless you're "special".
Plus, Hvir jumped on the anti-KCW wagon pretty fast, also an above-board move.
Again, I wouldn't have known if KCW was traitor or not
What do you guys think?"
I think you're slipping up, look at you. You're hopping from person to person accusing them of Mafia. At the beginning of this thread, you seemed to be pretty hard on about convincing everyone that titus wasn't Mafia, but when today broke, you were saying "well, maybe he is" and then you skipped up to actually accusing Hvir to be Mafia, and now that you've seen that you couldn't possibly get enough votes for him, you target me, who is in your words "the worst player", so that would make me an easy target eh?
Unvote Titus
Vote Azrael
Because I think that titus is scum, how the hell am I suppose to know if KCW was scum or not? If a am the doc (which I am) then I wouldn't be able to know if someone was scum or not, durr...
Somehow the rest of us managed to figure it out.
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I refuted your arguments plenty, you were the one who wouldn't come off the "don't vote for titus" bandwagon, in fact, you were the one who spearheaded it when titus was obviously acting very scummish.
As I recall, you were one of those spearheading the bandwagon to lynch titus, while KCW was looking very scummy. And guess what: KCW actually WAS scum.
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I disliked Pibbly because he was basically your sheep, he had zero will of his own and would just follow whatever you said. How do you know that the Mafia wouldn't have just killed Pibbly to make me look bad?
If they were smart enough to figure out that they could lynch Pibbly to make you look slightly worse, they'd have to be smart enough to figure out that the correct play would be to outright kill you.
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That is very convenient, but if you were Mafia, you would think exactly like this wouldn't you? And leave Hvir alive.
If I was in your position, I might.
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I don't carry around with me a gun to shoot people I have the doctor ability, I save people for a night, how the hell do I know how someone gets past me?
Perhaps you let them through? :wise:
(or perhaps the hitman did the job : /)
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titus.
It's possible, I'll grant you that.
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Dude, you were the one who is wanting to take out Hvir (or did want to) and you're saying that I want to? Where in the hell in my previous post did you see that? It was obviously directed at titus, giving the fact that I THINK HE'S SCUM!
*sighs* My only purpose in going from person to person to try and dredge up SOME kind of reaction, some kind of clue as to who the last man is.
So far, I haven't got much.
Consider it a compliment that I waited to do you last, that means I consider you to be the least likely candidate to be scum.
Unvote Azrael.
I really don't have any great ideas where to turn next. It'd be easiest to lynch Titus today, I suppose. I'm really not getting any extraordinarily scummy feeling from him or anybody else though. I guess by process of elimination though, it has to be either him or Hvir, their claims are weaker than yours, mine, and axel's.
There are pretty good arguments not too lynch everyone who's left, though.
I guess I'll go with my gut and go back to voting Hvir, and push for titus unless something strange happens.
I guess I'll go with my gut and go back to voting Hvir, and push for titus unless something strange happens.
Ugh *holds head in hands*
No I won't. Unvote Hvir.
Somebody else out there start making some kind of move, I've run out of tricks to learn anything more, or propel this day in a direction that I'm confident going in. I've laid out the arguments against everyone, it's up to you people to help decide now.
Somebody else out there start making some kind of move, I've run out of tricks to learn anything more, or propel this day in a direction that I'm confident going in. I've laid out the arguments against everyone, it's up to you people to help decide now.
It's funny, I considered opening the day with a massive post attacking you, just to see what kind of reaction it got (from other people, not you). But, ultimately, I chickened out and just went after the person who seemed most suspicious at the time (Safety).
Let's see, if Titus is a Traitor:
(A) the Town got two cops (albeit limited to some extent) and a Doc, plus whatever Pibbly was
(B) he led effort to get us to lynch an innocent first (Musashi)
(C) he also advocated the lynch of one fellow Traitor (Chrome Moxen)
(D) another fellow Traitor (KCW) actively tried to get him lynched
(E) the Mafia have picked a target other than the Doc to lynch twice
-possible? Yes. Likely? Not really.
If Ripper is a Traitor:
(A) the Town got two cops, plus Pibbly, plus Titus' list
(B) the town got no Doc (balanced?)
(C) Ripper was smart enough to realize there was no Town Doc and claim it day one.
(D) He passed on the chance to vote off Hvir (possibly confused about the votes?)
(E) He is now leading the effort to lynch an innocent (Titus)
-possible? If we think Ripper is extremely clever, maybe.
If Hvir is a Traitor:
(A) the Mafia got a cop (balanced?)
(B) He cleared 20Bux day one, who was somehow dangerous to them
(C) He voted for one fellow traitor (KCW) (second vote at the time, I believe, but it wasn't looking good for KCW before that)
(D) the Mafia have picked a target other than the Doc to lynch twice (but the Doc was protecting Hvir)
(E) He investigated me, who was obviously innocent
(F) He's very slick
-possible? Why not.
If Azrael is a Traitor:
(A) the Town got two cops and a Doc, plus Pibbly
(B) the Mafia got a double daykiller (in a 12 person game)
(C) the mafia got a member who was masons with a townie
(D) he killed a fellow Traitor day one (Moxen)
(E) he killed a fellow Traitor day one when a Townie had five votes on them and was probably going to get lynched (Musashi)
(F) He then identified a fellow Traitor as next most suspicious (KCW)
(G) the Mafia have picked a target other than the Doc to lynch twice
-I don't think so
That's good enough for me right now. So, if we want the day to end, can Ripper or Titus switch votes to Hvir? Or tell me where this is wrong.
Also, Ripper, if you are not a Traitor (:-)) you need to protect Azrael or myself tonight. That gives the Traitors only a 50-50 of hitting one of us. If they go after you instead, Azrael and me will just vote whoever is left alive with us tomorrow.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
whatever, i truely, truely don't think ripper is innocent, but i suppose we have to do this to finish the day.
if he's innocent, i'm going to get lynched... but that shouldn't be the case. i called out (and cast the lynching vote) on kcw, and i revealed CM to be scum. uhhh...
Titus, if you are innocent, Ripper will go after Azrael or myself tonight, because if we are both alive with him tomorrow he will get lynched.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Hvirfilvndr the Right-Hand Man tries to produce a gun, but Axelrod the Chef, Azrael the Entertainer and Titus aka "Tightlips" wrest it from him and execute him with it.
A great peace falls over the Atello Mansion.
the coup has failed.
Good game, guys. I could've done better with balancing(too many confirmables), but a large part of this game was due to the abilities of our new players, which were definitely a big part of tipping this game in the town's favor. So although they're obvious, I want to award:
MVP: Azrael for excellent deductive capabilities and almost exclusively responsible for offing 2 mafia while staying alive. (Note to self: mason + vig = overpowered)
LVP: KCW for, uh, killing himself.
musashi, you are the Don's Wife. During the day, you may Action: Offer toast to Don Atello. If half or more of the players agree to the toast, you can poison any number of people immediately (They will die at the end of the next day). If you succeed in the toast, you can't do it again.
Objective: All traitors dead.
20Bux, you are the Don's son. Initially shocked by your father's death, every night you will gain abilities as you settle into your role as your father's successor.
The traitors can't win while you are alive.
Objective: All traitors dead.
Chrome Moxen, you are the Don's daughter-in-law. You married the Don's son intending to marry into power, but with the Don's success and your husband's cowardice it appears that you'll never get there without taking some action for yourself. You, Kingcobweb the Hitman and Hvirfilvindr the Right-Hand Man decided to work together to make a grab for the big times, but you still need a lot more loyalists dead first..
Each night you, Hvirfilvindr and Kingcobweb decide who is going to make the nightkill and who you are going to kill, then PM me with the decision. If you are chosen to make the kill, you can't be inspected or killed and you block your victim's night ability. You can't kill the Don's Son (your husband) either, and I'm not telling you who he is.
Objective: Equal the non-traitors in number.
Secret Alternate Objective: Be the last surviving traitor with your husband still alive, but your mother-in-law dead.
Billking, you are the Lawyer. Every night, you can make one of two background checks:
1. PM me a player name and I will give you their role name.
2. PM me a player name and their role name. If you are correct I give you their allegiance and abilities.
Objective: All traitors dead.
Kingcobweb, you are The Hitman. Getting on in the years, you were looking into retiring with your small fortune while still in good health, but Atello considered you too valuable. So you, Hvirfilvindr the Right-Hand Man, and Chrome Moxen the Don's daughter in-law decided it would be all in your best interests if the Don wasn't alive. But it's also important that there are no loose ends so you can make a clean break from organized crime…
Each night you, Hvirfilvindr and Chrome Moxen decide who is going to make the nightkill and who you are going to kill, then PM me with the decision. If you are chosen to make the kill, the nightkill is unstoppable and you have a 25% chance of not being seen by anyone watching.
Objective: Equal the non-traitors in number.
Secret Alternate Objective: All of the Don's family (including daughter in law) dead, plus Tightlips, Squealer and Security.
axelrod, you are the Chef. Each day, you can serve a single dish to any one person (not yourself). They have to eat it, and they don't know which dish you served them. If you want to serve a dish, type Action: Serve Dish to (insert name), then PM me which dish it was.
Longevity Noodles: If you serve this to somebody three times, they get an "extra life."
Shortevity Noodles: If you serve this to somebody two times, they die.
Immunity Noodles: If you serve this to somebody, they become immune to poison and have a 5% chance of surviving a nightkill tonight.
Lethargic Noodles: If you serve this to somebody and they go out during the night, the next day they will be unable to vote.
Objective: All traitors dead.
Azrael, you are the Entertainer. You and your friend Pibbly the Butler want out of the mafia, but you're both pretty sure the traitors who killed the Don will want to tie up any loose ends.
Every night you and Pibbly may talk with each other.
Twice per game, you may type Action: kill (insert name) to assassinate someone, or PM me the name if its night.
If you reveal to the town that you can kill people, your chance of killing becomes 30%, so you probably want to use both your kills at the same time.
If you use your ability at night your chances are reduced by 50% because of the darkness.
Objective: All traitors dead, or for both of you to survive to the final four.
Pibbly, you are the Butler. You and your friend Azrael the Entertainer want out of the mafia, but you're both pretty sure the traitors who killed the Don will want to tie up any loose ends.
Every night you and Azrael may talk with each other.
Every night you may inspect a person's clothing to get a hint at the role name.
Objective: All traitors dead, or for both of you to survive to the final four.
Lt. Ripper, you are Security. Every night, you may PM me with a person (not yourself) to shield them with your body. To make up for this not-fun job, you have 2 lives.
If you block an ability you can get a glimpse of the assailant, but not their MTGSalvation name.
If somebody uses a daytime ability with a target or targets, you can take it in the place of any number of the targets by typing Action: Block (insert ability name).
Objective: All traitors(badguys) dead.
titus, you are Tightlips. You don't like talking. At all. You can't say ANYTHING (true or false) regarding your role or your allegiance. You also cannot attribute a specific person with a role, like saying "aurorasparrow makes good meals."
You CAN say things like
"(insert name) is telling the truth/is lying."
"The Don had a son and a wife."
"I like food."
You CANNOT say things like
"I know your role."
"It's part of my role."
"aurorasparrow: I like food."
"Vote aurorasparrow. I don't trust butlers."
"I'm innocent."
IF IT'S IFFY, PM ME FIRST. Please don't break these rules, even if you are about to be lynched (in the interest of keeping the game fair).
You do get ONE good thing though. The LIST.
Unsanitary999 is the Don's Wife
20Bux is the Don's Son
Chrome Moxen is the Don's Daughter in-law
Billking is the Lawyer
Kingcobweb is the Hitman
axelrod is the Chef
Azrael is the Entertainer
Dementia Blader is the Butler
Lt. Ripper is Security
Safetydance is Squealer
hvirfilvndr is the Right-Hand Man
Objectives: All traitors dead.
SafetyDance, you are Squealer. You are very very weak. In fact, you're happy if you survive this entire thing alive. You can't lie about your role (but you don’t have to tell the entire truth).
You can't vote for anyone with no votes.
In case of tie, whomever you're voting for is lynched.
You have a gun with a bullet in it, but you forgot if it’s a blank or not. You can make day or nightkills with it, but if you do it during the night you only have a 50% chance of hitting since its dark.
Objective: Survive to the end of the game.
If three loyalists are lynched in a row, you become a traitor.
If two traitors are lynched before three loyalists in a row are lynched, you become a loyalist.
Hvilfindr, you are The Right-Hand Man. You remember back when you and Atello were kids, always looking out for each other and willing to die for the other. That all changed once he started getting lucky. Soon he was the one making all the deals, calling all the shots, making all the money. He betrayed your friendship, and you had to pay him back for that. You, KCW the Hitman and CM the Don's daughter in law all decided to off him, but his death is only on of the many needed to get what you deserve…
Each night you, KCW and CM decide who is going to make the nightkill and who you are going to kill, then PM me with the decision. If you are chosen to make the kill, you can also perform half a background check on any person. The first time you choose a person you get their role name, the second time you get their abilities.
I had no control over Chrome Moxen voting for Musashi on Day 1 - as soon as that happened, I knew that he was a goner.
Later on, when kingcobweb roleclaimed vigilante, I knew that I had to sacrifice him the next day. Mafia members should roleclaim ANYTHING except Vigilante. Mafia 101.
Not to quibble or anything (because I'm certain Azrael was going to vote that way), but Hvir didn't have three votes on him at the end there.
Anyway, Azrael, I bow before your superior analytical skills. We may have ended the game with four left alive, but, I think it's safe to say that without you we almost certainly would have lost.
Likewise, Hvir, I bow before your ultimate sneakiness. You were flying completely under my radar right up until the end. You really almost pulled it off.
What was the deal eliminating Pibbly though? Still don't get that one....
Aurorasparrow: congratulations on a fun and remarkably tense game.
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DO NOT VOTE FOR TITUS!!! Pibbly, for the love of God, DO NOT VOTE FOR TITUS! HE IS AN INNOCENT! I don't care if it means that we're deadlocked for a while. Vote KCW, he's the closest thing we have to a scum who is available for lynching, if you read through the thread carefully you'll find that titus is in fact innocent. Do NOT let Billking or 20bux lead you astray here.
I was asleep when Pibbly made his vote, but when I saw it the next morning I felt exactly the same way. Nooooooo. Fortunately, Pibbly switched before 20Bux got back on. As I said, it was a remarkably tense game.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Well, that certainly sucked for me. I seriously ****ed up with that vigilante role-claim, and even more so with the 20bux kill.
(In my defense, Hvir gave me the OK to kill 20bux, but it was probably for the good of the mafia to sacrifice me.)
GEE GEE.
What was the deal eliminating Pibbly though? Still don't get that one....
I made the false assumption that aurorasparrow really DID give the ability to inspect to more than one loyalist. Since my abilities mirrored billking's completely, I was lead to the conclusion that Pibbly also had the ability to root out a player's allegiance, which is why he had to die next. Of course, it turned out that this was not the case.
There was no way for Safetydance to turn traitor in this game - if the Mafia had successfully lynched three Loyalists in a row, the Traitors would win anyway, without intervention, since there would be 3 Traitors and 3 Loyalists remaining.
I made the false assumption that aurorasparrow really DID give the ability to inspect to more than one loyalist. Since my abilities mirrored billking's completely, I was lead to the conclusion that Pibbly also had the ability to root out a player's allegiance, which is why he had to die next. Of course, it turned out that this was not the case.
There was no way for Safetydance to turn traitor in this game - if the Mafia had successfully lynched three Loyalists in a row, the Traitors would win anyway, without intervention, since there would be 3 Traitors and 3 Loyalists remaining.
Ah, I see. I also noted the same thing about Safety. I assume that was, in fact, the "mistake" in the role that Sparrow referred to during the game.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
There was no way for Safetydance to turn traitor in this game - if the Mafia had successfully lynched three Loyalists in a row, the Traitors would win anyway, without intervention, since there would be 3 Traitors and 3 Loyalists remaining.
Eh. It was possible, just highly unlikely: I would have had to hit at least one of the mafia, without hitting a townie.
Eh. It was possible, just highly unlikely: I would have had to hit at least one of the mafia, without hitting a townie.
Hmmmm. I suppose that's true. Still think that wasn't what Sparrow intended when he came up with the condition.
I'm also curious what abilities 20Bux was going to acquire if he had lived. Can we know that, Sparrow?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Hmmmm. I suppose that's true. Still think that wasn't what Sparrow intended when he came up with the condition.
I'm also curious what abilities 20Bux was going to acquire if he had lived. Can we know that, Sparrow?
I can only speculate, but I'm guessing that one of the abilities was to be a night watch - no one else had that ability, yet it was mentioned in kcw's role description.
Actually, I think Ripper had a limited watch ability. His role said if he blocked an ability he would get a "glimpse" of the assailant.
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Ah, but could he still get a glimpse, even though the protective effort would fail?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
20Bux had just gotten the ability to change one vote once per game, and would eventually get things like lynch resistance, targeting resistance, and weak inspection and vigilante skills.
WAIT! STOP THE PRESSES! It wouldn't be a compliment, if you're not mafia! HAHA! WE HAVE YOU NOW! [/too much caffeine]
You know, Hvir is sorta right about the mafia probably not acting the way it did, if he was in it. And I don't think titus is it, based on the whole KCW rivalry, and his ability. And if Hvir is clear, axel is clear. As for me, I was a mason.
But what we don't have explained here is: why IS Lt. Ripper still alive???
Why haven't the mafia tried to kill him yet?
Role-claiming doc wouldn't be that hard to pull off. It's conceivable that we don't have one at all, I suppose.
And when you look at his history throughout the thread, we turn up some interesting things.
1. He backed the anti-Titus bandwagon, along with KCW.
2. When confronted with excellent logic, he refused to accept it and stuck to his wagon without refuting our arguments.
3. He had a dislike for Pibbly, and wanted him replaced by aurora sparrow, and what do you know: pibbly shows up dead on our doorstep the next day, even though he had no relevant abilities.
4. As the doctor supposedly protecting Hvir, he wouldn't have to worry much about being investigated, and would have been comfortable leaving hvir alive
5. Just how did the mafia get past security, and kill the Don?
6. Lt Ripper has never voted to lynch a scum, but he did vote against Billking
7. In a game this small, perhaps a doc would be too powerful, or, perhaps it would be out of flavor since we're all mafia.
8. Lt Ripper just now asked how many votes it takes to lynch, probably as a prelude to taking out Hvir, or to figure out if he could.
And wait a second, even on the second day, KCW was still trying to kill titus. You don't do that to your mafia buddy, not unless you're "special".
Plus, Hvir jumped on the anti-KCW wagon pretty fast, also an above-board move.
And, if titus was mafia, wouldn't he have tried to save his own skin by nuking hvir by now, on condition of lynching me later?
What do you guys think?
unvote Hvir
ripper(1): titus
hvirfilvndir(1): axelrod
3 to lynch.
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Chances of bad hands (<2 or >4 land):
21: 28.9%
22: 27.5%
23: 26.3%
24: 25.5%
25: 25.1%
26: 25.3%
I have to admit, if Lt. Ripper hadn't claimed doc, I probably would have wanted to lynch him a long time ago.
He's the only one of us left who has a particularly scummy aura around him.
There's little things that could be construed to be scummy about Hvir and Titus, but nothing on the scale of Lt Ripper's faulty actions. There are somewhat plausible arguments in defense of Hvir and Titus' actions and reputation throughout the thread, the only thing our "doc" has going for him is his role-claim.
The three things that really clinch it for me is that:
1. Pibbly was killed off, when he had no relevant abilities, but he had gotten Lt. Ripper to dislike him.
2. Lt. Ripper has yet to make a correct lynch vote for the town, and worked together with KCW.
3. There is no explanation why he would still be alive, if he is the doc. We've been pretending otherwise at various points throughout the thread, but putting our deception aside, I think we are all experienced to know that doctor's can't self-protect, and I'm confident that any of those still remaining here would have been smart enough to take him out, if they had been mafia, or they would have picked a target like myself or axelrod.
I'm inclined to trust the rest of you. I can see the arguments in your favor.
But once we put aside the assumption that security would be a townie on the loyalist side, Lt. Ripper looks really, really bad.
Vote Lt. Rippper
As stated many times before, he actually TOLD me and Axelrod our roles.
For instance, I think he hinted about "how he wished his mom was a chef", in axelrod's case.
In my own experience with him, he asked: "Is a vigilante entertaining". So yes, we know he has a list.
As for restrictions, what kind of limitations are you talking about?
This is, I believe, what is called overthinking a situation (and I should know, I do it all the time).
Is it possible there is no Doc is this game? Yes. Is that possibility more likely than there being a Mafia cop? Probably not. Not with a townie cop already established, plus a few other information roles.
Interestingly, one of the best pieces of evidence in Ripper's favor was brought out by Hvir. himself--i.e. that KCW's role description refers to his kill being "unblockable." If there is no Doc. what does that mean? It clearly is a reference to being able to go through Doc protection.
As for his being still alive: the Mafia have only had 2 night kills in this game. Night 1 they went after 20Bux. Why? I assume they felt he was a threat. He had claimed that he would get more powerful as the game went on, and they could have known this to be true, or just believed him.
Night 2 they went after Pibbly: I agree this makes no sense. Pibbly, from what I could see, was not a threat to anyone. He did have a minor investigative ability, and possibly this was a concern. But, also possibly, they just took him out because he was the least suspicious of anyone. As you (and I) are demonstrating, cases can be made against everyone still alive. This is good for the Traitor. Lt. Ripper, was protecting Hvir., and clearly wanted to vote Titus off. If Hvir was the Traitor, that's pleanty of reason to keep him alive, at least one more day.
If Ripper were the Traitor, why on earth wouldn't he vote for Hvir after you accused him, and got me on board. It would get rid of a cop. And the lynch would not be on his head, it would be on yours, since no one was after Hvir. before you brought it up. Is Ripper that cagey? To NOT take an easy opportunity to kill a dangerous townie, so he could keep pressing his case against another (by definition) innocent, who you and I have both been defending all game. That puts him in a worse situation going into tomorrow, if we lynch Titus and Titus turns out to be innocent.
I really don't know. But I'm not changing my vote right now.
Look at me, I was defending Hvir so strenuously the other day (and you were after him equally strenuously), are we reversing positions?
The thing is, the Traitor has to survive not one day, but two. Casting the deciding vote carries as much of a stigma as the first vote.
I have a feeling he might have switched over to Hvir, if he hadn't believed that it took 4 to lynch, not 3.
Shhhhhhhh. I'm just trying to see if he'll crack under the pressure.
But I don't think he knew that he had the opportunity to cast the final vote.
Can we trust much of anything that KCW said, honestly?
I wasn't taking KCW's word for it. Sparrow said it himself.
vote Azrael. I never trusted that creep, from the very beginning. He talks too much.
for ripper.
You know, Hvir is sorta right about the mafia probably not acting the way it did, if he was in it. And I don't think titus is it, based on the whole KCW rivalry, and his ability. And if Hvir is clear, axel is clear. As for me, I was a mason.
And how can we trust you on that?
1. He backed the anti-Titus bandwagon, along with KCW.
Because I think that titus is scum, how the hell am I suppose to know if KCW was scum or not? If a am the doc (which I am) then I wouldn't be able to know if someone was scum or not, durr...
2. When confronted with excellent logic, he refused to accept it and stuck to his wagon without refuting our arguments.
I refuted your arguments plenty, you were the one who wouldn't come off the "don't vote for titus" bandwagon, in fact, you were the one who spearheaded it when titus was obviously acting very scummish.
3. He had a dislike for Pibbly, and wanted him replaced by aurora sparrow, and what do you know: pibbly shows up dead on our doorstep the next day, even though he had no relevant abilities.
I disliked Pibbly because he was basically your sheep, he had zero will of his own and would just follow whatever you said. How do you know that the Mafia wouldn't have just killed Pibbly to make me look bad?
4. As the doctor supposedly protecting Hvir, he wouldn't have to worry much about being investigated, and would have been comfortable leaving hvir alive
That is very convenient, but if you were Mafia, you would think exactly like this wouldn't you? And leave Hvir alive.
5. Just how did the mafia get past security, and kill the Don?
I don't carry around with me a gun to shoot people I have the doctor ability, I save people for a night, how the hell do I know how someone gets past me?
6. Lt Ripper has never voted to lynch a scum, but he did vote against Billking
titus.
7. In a game this small, perhaps a doc would be too powerful, or, perhaps it would be out of flavor since we're all mafia.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
8. Lt Ripper just now asked how many votes it takes to lynch, probably as a prelude to taking out Hvir, or to figure out if he could.
Dude, you were the one who is wanting to take out Hvir (or did want to) and you're saying that I want to? Where in the hell in my previous post did you see that? It was obviously directed at titus, giving the fact that I THINK HE'S SCUM!
And wait a second, even on the second day, KCW was still trying to kill titus. You don't do that to your mafia buddy, not unless you're "special".
Plus, Hvir jumped on the anti-KCW wagon pretty fast, also an above-board move.
Again, I wouldn't have known if KCW was traitor or not
What do you guys think?"
I think you're slipping up, look at you. You're hopping from person to person accusing them of Mafia. At the beginning of this thread, you seemed to be pretty hard on about convincing everyone that titus wasn't Mafia, but when today broke, you were saying "well, maybe he is" and then you skipped up to actually accusing Hvir to be Mafia, and now that you've seen that you couldn't possibly get enough votes for him, you target me, who is in your words "the worst player", so that would make me an easy target eh?
Unvote Titus
Vote Azrael
You can trust Pibbly on that.
Somehow the rest of us managed to figure it out.
As I recall, you were one of those spearheading the bandwagon to lynch titus, while KCW was looking very scummy. And guess what: KCW actually WAS scum.
If they were smart enough to figure out that they could lynch Pibbly to make you look slightly worse, they'd have to be smart enough to figure out that the correct play would be to outright kill you.
If I was in your position, I might.
Perhaps you let them through? :wise:
(or perhaps the hitman did the job : /)
It's possible, I'll grant you that.
*sighs* My only purpose in going from person to person to try and dredge up SOME kind of reaction, some kind of clue as to who the last man is.
So far, I haven't got much.
Consider it a compliment that I waited to do you last, that means I consider you to be the least likely candidate to be scum.
Unvote Azrael.
I really don't have any great ideas where to turn next. It'd be easiest to lynch Titus today, I suppose. I'm really not getting any extraordinarily scummy feeling from him or anybody else though. I guess by process of elimination though, it has to be either him or Hvir, their claims are weaker than yours, mine, and axel's.
There are pretty good arguments not too lynch everyone who's left, though.
I guess I'll go with my gut and go back to voting Hvir, and push for titus unless something strange happens.
Ugh *holds head in hands*
No I won't. Unvote Hvir.
Somebody else out there start making some kind of move, I've run out of tricks to learn anything more, or propel this day in a direction that I'm confident going in. I've laid out the arguments against everyone, it's up to you people to help decide now.
It's funny, I considered opening the day with a massive post attacking you, just to see what kind of reaction it got (from other people, not you). But, ultimately, I chickened out and just went after the person who seemed most suspicious at the time (Safety).
Let's see, if Titus is a Traitor:
(A) the Town got two cops (albeit limited to some extent) and a Doc, plus whatever Pibbly was
(B) he led effort to get us to lynch an innocent first (Musashi)
(C) he also advocated the lynch of one fellow Traitor (Chrome Moxen)
(D) another fellow Traitor (KCW) actively tried to get him lynched
(E) the Mafia have picked a target other than the Doc to lynch twice
-possible? Yes. Likely? Not really.
If Ripper is a Traitor:
(A) the Town got two cops, plus Pibbly, plus Titus' list
(B) the town got no Doc (balanced?)
(C) Ripper was smart enough to realize there was no Town Doc and claim it day one.
(D) He passed on the chance to vote off Hvir (possibly confused about the votes?)
(E) He is now leading the effort to lynch an innocent (Titus)
-possible? If we think Ripper is extremely clever, maybe.
If Hvir is a Traitor:
(A) the Mafia got a cop (balanced?)
(B) He cleared 20Bux day one, who was somehow dangerous to them
(C) He voted for one fellow traitor (KCW) (second vote at the time, I believe, but it wasn't looking good for KCW before that)
(D) the Mafia have picked a target other than the Doc to lynch twice (but the Doc was protecting Hvir)
(E) He investigated me, who was obviously innocent
(F) He's very slick
-possible? Why not.
If Azrael is a Traitor:
(A) the Town got two cops and a Doc, plus Pibbly
(B) the Mafia got a double daykiller (in a 12 person game)
(C) the mafia got a member who was masons with a townie
(D) he killed a fellow Traitor day one (Moxen)
(E) he killed a fellow Traitor day one when a Townie had five votes on them and was probably going to get lynched (Musashi)
(F) He then identified a fellow Traitor as next most suspicious (KCW)
(G) the Mafia have picked a target other than the Doc to lynch twice
-I don't think so
That's good enough for me right now. So, if we want the day to end, can Ripper or Titus switch votes to Hvir? Or tell me where this is wrong.
Also, Ripper, if you are not a Traitor (:-)) you need to protect Azrael or myself tonight. That gives the Traitors only a 50-50 of hitting one of us. If they go after you instead, Azrael and me will just vote whoever is left alive with us tomorrow.
if he's innocent, i'm going to get lynched... but that shouldn't be the case. i called out (and cast the lynching vote) on kcw, and i revealed CM to be scum. uhhh...
whatever
unvote ripper
vote hvir
but if ripper dies
then we have a problem
if i die...
then we, again, have a problem
Hvirfilvndr the Right-Hand Man tries to produce a gun, but Axelrod the Chef, Azrael the Entertainer and Titus aka "Tightlips" wrest it from him and execute him with it.
A great peace falls over the Atello Mansion.
the coup has failed.
Good game, guys. I could've done better with balancing(too many confirmables), but a large part of this game was due to the abilities of our new players, which were definitely a big part of tipping this game in the town's favor. So although they're obvious, I want to award:
MVP: Azrael for excellent deductive capabilities and almost exclusively responsible for offing 2 mafia while staying alive. (Note to self: mason + vig = overpowered)
LVP: KCW for, uh, killing himself.
musashi, you are the Don's Wife. During the day, you may Action: Offer toast to Don Atello. If half or more of the players agree to the toast, you can poison any number of people immediately (They will die at the end of the next day). If you succeed in the toast, you can't do it again.
Objective: All traitors dead.
20Bux, you are the Don's son. Initially shocked by your father's death, every night you will gain abilities as you settle into your role as your father's successor.
The traitors can't win while you are alive.
Objective: All traitors dead.
Chrome Moxen, you are the Don's daughter-in-law. You married the Don's son intending to marry into power, but with the Don's success and your husband's cowardice it appears that you'll never get there without taking some action for yourself. You, Kingcobweb the Hitman and Hvirfilvindr the Right-Hand Man decided to work together to make a grab for the big times, but you still need a lot more loyalists dead first..
Each night you, Hvirfilvindr and Kingcobweb decide who is going to make the nightkill and who you are going to kill, then PM me with the decision. If you are chosen to make the kill, you can't be inspected or killed and you block your victim's night ability. You can't kill the Don's Son (your husband) either, and I'm not telling you who he is.
Objective: Equal the non-traitors in number.
Secret Alternate Objective: Be the last surviving traitor with your husband still alive, but your mother-in-law dead.
Billking, you are the Lawyer. Every night, you can make one of two background checks:
1. PM me a player name and I will give you their role name.
2. PM me a player name and their role name. If you are correct I give you their allegiance and abilities.
Objective: All traitors dead.
Kingcobweb, you are The Hitman. Getting on in the years, you were looking into retiring with your small fortune while still in good health, but Atello considered you too valuable. So you, Hvirfilvindr the Right-Hand Man, and Chrome Moxen the Don's daughter in-law decided it would be all in your best interests if the Don wasn't alive. But it's also important that there are no loose ends so you can make a clean break from organized crime…
Each night you, Hvirfilvindr and Chrome Moxen decide who is going to make the nightkill and who you are going to kill, then PM me with the decision. If you are chosen to make the kill, the nightkill is unstoppable and you have a 25% chance of not being seen by anyone watching.
Objective: Equal the non-traitors in number.
Secret Alternate Objective: All of the Don's family (including daughter in law) dead, plus Tightlips, Squealer and Security.
axelrod, you are the Chef. Each day, you can serve a single dish to any one person (not yourself). They have to eat it, and they don't know which dish you served them. If you want to serve a dish, type Action: Serve Dish to (insert name), then PM me which dish it was.
Longevity Noodles: If you serve this to somebody three times, they get an "extra life."
Shortevity Noodles: If you serve this to somebody two times, they die.
Immunity Noodles: If you serve this to somebody, they become immune to poison and have a 5% chance of surviving a nightkill tonight.
Lethargic Noodles: If you serve this to somebody and they go out during the night, the next day they will be unable to vote.
Objective: All traitors dead.
Azrael, you are the Entertainer. You and your friend Pibbly the Butler want out of the mafia, but you're both pretty sure the traitors who killed the Don will want to tie up any loose ends.
Every night you and Pibbly may talk with each other.
Twice per game, you may type Action: kill (insert name) to assassinate someone, or PM me the name if its night.
If you reveal to the town that you can kill people, your chance of killing becomes 30%, so you probably want to use both your kills at the same time.
If you use your ability at night your chances are reduced by 50% because of the darkness.
Objective: All traitors dead, or for both of you to survive to the final four.
Pibbly, you are the Butler. You and your friend Azrael the Entertainer want out of the mafia, but you're both pretty sure the traitors who killed the Don will want to tie up any loose ends.
Every night you and Azrael may talk with each other.
Every night you may inspect a person's clothing to get a hint at the role name.
Objective: All traitors dead, or for both of you to survive to the final four.
Lt. Ripper, you are Security. Every night, you may PM me with a person (not yourself) to shield them with your body. To make up for this not-fun job, you have 2 lives.
If you block an ability you can get a glimpse of the assailant, but not their MTGSalvation name.
If somebody uses a daytime ability with a target or targets, you can take it in the place of any number of the targets by typing Action: Block (insert ability name).
Objective: All traitors(badguys) dead.
titus, you are Tightlips. You don't like talking. At all. You can't say ANYTHING (true or false) regarding your role or your allegiance. You also cannot attribute a specific person with a role, like saying "aurorasparrow makes good meals."
You CAN say things like
"(insert name) is telling the truth/is lying."
"The Don had a son and a wife."
"I like food."
You CANNOT say things like
"I know your role."
"It's part of my role."
"aurorasparrow: I like food."
"Vote aurorasparrow. I don't trust butlers."
"I'm innocent."
IF IT'S IFFY, PM ME FIRST. Please don't break these rules, even if you are about to be lynched (in the interest of keeping the game fair).
You do get ONE good thing though. The LIST.
Unsanitary999 is the Don's Wife
20Bux is the Don's Son
Chrome Moxen is the Don's Daughter in-law
Billking is the Lawyer
Kingcobweb is the Hitman
axelrod is the Chef
Azrael is the Entertainer
Dementia Blader is the Butler
Lt. Ripper is Security
Safetydance is Squealer
hvirfilvndr is the Right-Hand Man
Objectives: All traitors dead.
SafetyDance, you are Squealer. You are very very weak. In fact, you're happy if you survive this entire thing alive. You can't lie about your role (but you don’t have to tell the entire truth).
You can't vote for anyone with no votes.
In case of tie, whomever you're voting for is lynched.
You have a gun with a bullet in it, but you forgot if it’s a blank or not. You can make day or nightkills with it, but if you do it during the night you only have a 50% chance of hitting since its dark.
Objective: Survive to the end of the game.
If three loyalists are lynched in a row, you become a traitor.
If two traitors are lynched before three loyalists in a row are lynched, you become a loyalist.
Hvilfindr, you are The Right-Hand Man. You remember back when you and Atello were kids, always looking out for each other and willing to die for the other. That all changed once he started getting lucky. Soon he was the one making all the deals, calling all the shots, making all the money. He betrayed your friendship, and you had to pay him back for that. You, KCW the Hitman and CM the Don's daughter in law all decided to off him, but his death is only on of the many needed to get what you deserve…
Each night you, KCW and CM decide who is going to make the nightkill and who you are going to kill, then PM me with the decision. If you are chosen to make the kill, you can also perform half a background check on any person. The first time you choose a person you get their role name, the second time you get their abilities.
Objective: Equal the non-traitors in number.
4th place at CCC&G Pro Tour
Chances of bad hands (<2 or >4 land):
21: 28.9%
22: 27.5%
23: 26.3%
24: 25.5%
25: 25.1%
26: 25.3%
good playing, hvir. good playing.
even better by azrael, jeeeez
Later on, when kingcobweb roleclaimed vigilante, I knew that I had to sacrifice him the next day. Mafia members should roleclaim ANYTHING except Vigilante. Mafia 101.
See you all in Warcraft 3 Mafia.
Anyway, Azrael, I bow before your superior analytical skills. We may have ended the game with four left alive, but, I think it's safe to say that without you we almost certainly would have lost.
Likewise, Hvir, I bow before your ultimate sneakiness. You were flying completely under my radar right up until the end. You really almost pulled it off.
What was the deal eliminating Pibbly though? Still don't get that one....
Aurorasparrow: congratulations on a fun and remarkably tense game.
Well played, everyone. Very, very enjoyable game.
I was asleep when Pibbly made his vote, but when I saw it the next morning I felt exactly the same way. Nooooooo. Fortunately, Pibbly switched before 20Bux got back on. As I said, it was a remarkably tense game.
(In my defense, Hvir gave me the OK to kill 20bux, but it was probably for the good of the mafia to sacrifice me.)
GEE GEE.
I made the false assumption that aurorasparrow really DID give the ability to inspect to more than one loyalist. Since my abilities mirrored billking's completely, I was lead to the conclusion that Pibbly also had the ability to root out a player's allegiance, which is why he had to die next. Of course, it turned out that this was not the case.
There was no way for Safetydance to turn traitor in this game - if the Mafia had successfully lynched three Loyalists in a row, the Traitors would win anyway, without intervention, since there would be 3 Traitors and 3 Loyalists remaining.
Ah, I see. I also noted the same thing about Safety. I assume that was, in fact, the "mistake" in the role that Sparrow referred to during the game.
Eh. It was possible, just highly unlikely: I would have had to hit at least one of the mafia, without hitting a townie.
Hmmmm. I suppose that's true. Still think that wasn't what Sparrow intended when he came up with the condition.
I'm also curious what abilities 20Bux was going to acquire if he had lived. Can we know that, Sparrow?
I can only speculate, but I'm guessing that one of the abilities was to be a night watch - no one else had that ability, yet it was mentioned in kcw's role description.
But in that case, it wouldn't make sense to add it on to kcw's role description, since his kills couldn't be blocked anyway.
20Bux had just gotten the ability to change one vote once per game, and would eventually get things like lynch resistance, targeting resistance, and weak inspection and vigilante skills.
Yeah. I messed up on the safetydance thing. X_X
4th place at CCC&G Pro Tour
Chances of bad hands (<2 or >4 land):
21: 28.9%
22: 27.5%
23: 26.3%
24: 25.5%
25: 25.1%
26: 25.3%
Damn, I coulda' sworn titus was scum
my sig. made by me.