also, DB needs to post something. he has posted... 2, 3 times? if he confirmed himself as azrael's partner, then it would clear azrael. why? there would have to be 4 mafia - me, axelrod, azrael, and dementia blader. that doesn't seem to fit in a 12 person game... with at least 1 neutral.
Point me to where you posted my role before I did.
it seems like titus, azrael, and axelrod are all united against voting off titus
it also seems like me, kcw, and lt ripper are all pretty much in agreement on the need to vote titus off
so that leaves 20Bux, DB, safetydance, and hv___ as those who are not, shall we say, affiliated with a particular political party
in order to lynch 3 of those 4 need to choose a side
this could take a long time....
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
it seems like titus, azrael, and axelrod are all united against voting off titus
it also seems like me, kcw, and lt ripper are all pretty much in agreement on the need to vote titus off
so that leaves 20Bux, DB, safetydance, and hv___ as those who are not, shall we say, affiliated with a particular political party
in order to lynch 3 of those 4 need to choose a side
this could take a long time....
Well, we needa' wait for one of them to actually post.
it seems like titus, azrael, and axelrod are all united against voting off titus
it also seems like me, kcw, and lt ripper are all pretty much in agreement on the need to vote titus off
so that leaves 20Bux, DB, safetydance, and hv___ as those who are not, shall we say, affiliated with a particular political party
in order to lynch 3 of those 4 need to choose a side
this could take a long time....
i still don't understand how i could know lt. ripper's and kcw's role if i was a traitor.
Because you could have the exact same ability as a traitor, derf.
why would a traitor confirm and reveal this knowledge? that doesn't make any sense - i would've just PM'd by buddies with the list and not said anything. secondly, how is that a traitor ability? they don't gain any usefull information, as there arn't role abilities, just role names.
20Bux, I'll make you a deal: You vote for titus today, and if I live to tomorrow, I'll vote for whoever you want then, no matter how much I disagree with you.
I think that, like in the Congress, we're not going to pass this lynch bill without a few compromises being made.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
why would a traitor confirm and reveal this knowledge? that doesn't make any sense - i would've just PM'd by buddies with the list and not said anything. secondly, how is that a traitor ability? they don't gain any usefull information, as there arn't role abilities, just role names.
But what you managed to do was, with that list, get people to speak up and say their abilities! That is *fantastic* for the mafia. They know exactly who to kill now (Lt. Ripper cough cough).
In any case, I'm willing to bet with Rider it was the only thing going for him. I've got more going on than just a suicidal urge. I'm actually, you know, playing, thinking, posting, and stuff. I won't let myself become a one-trick pony.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
In any case, I'm willing to bet with Rider it was the only thing going for him. I've got more going on than just a suicidal urge. I'm actually, you know, playing, thinking, posting, and stuff. I won't let myself become a one-trick pony.
In several mafia games over at MT, rider consistently asked to be lynched in order to avert suspicion, to pretend that he had nothing but the town's best interest at heart and was willing to sacrifice himself for the greater good. He even voted for himself, early on. He was later offed by the serial killer. Yeah, he was scum alright.
Now, I don't know if bk is a townie or not, but I think our top priority is to lynch titus!!! So, bk, if you are gonna' go all suicidal on us, please do it until after we've got titus down.
But what you managed to do was, with that list, get people to speak up and say their abilities! That is *fantastic* for the mafia. They know exactly who to kill now (Lt. Ripper cough cough).
And we too know exactly who to kill, only there are more of us. If the town can trade one townie for one mafia member until the mafia is dead, they win, even if the doc and cop don't survive.
And we too know exactly who to kill, only there are more of us. If the town can trade one townie for one mafia member until the mafia is dead, they win, even if the doc and cop don't survive.
Yes, you would want the doc and cop not to survive now wouldn't you.
billking: let me address this to you as I am not at all convinced that you are a Traitor. You were quite eager to go after Moxen early on and that makes you less suspicious. Also, you demonstrated your ability by naming Azrael's role.
You have to concede that Titus had a complete list of names. He had to have such a list. From his very first post (calling musashi "b****," when she was the Don's wife.) He was spitting out a name in virtually every post. This is not the kind of ability you would expect the Traitors to have or need. They already know who they are and who is not them. Also, if you will notice, you cannot tell the ability just by looking at the role. The doc in this game is "Security." The cop is the "right hand man"
The argument that Titus released the names so he could find out who was who and so then the Traitors could target the dangerous roles doesn't work. Even with a mass roleclaim, you wouldn't know what everyone did. Now, in point of fact, people started telling what they could do along with their names, so it all came out, but one couldn't plan on that happening.
Why is it so hard to accept that Titus was just playing a hunch when he decided that the Traitors were the members of the Don's family?
How can you believe that Azrael's ability could belong to a Traitor? Why would Azrael jump the gun and kill musashi AND Chrome when he did if he were a Traitor. Musashi had five votes on him at the time. He was the one going to be lynched, not Chrome. If Azrael were a Traitor it would make no sense to kill Moxen under those circumstances. None.
Kingcobweb was the one agressively defending Moxen. (See post #44,#46,#61,#71). He was also quite ready to vote for musashi without Titus' "comfirmation." He is chomping at the bit to get Titus now. He is the best target.
You like deals so I'll make you a one. Vote kingcobweb now and I'll vote whatever way you want tomorrow. Someone has to break the deadlock.
Ripper: You seem innocent, just misguided. Please listen to reason here. Voting Titus makes no sense. FORGET that he "lied" by saying musashi was a Traitor. (he also said Chrome was too, remember) He was just playing a hunch. Kingcobweb is not your friend in this game. Don't get led astray.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Now, I don't know if bk is a townie or not, but I think our top priority is to lynch titus!!! So, bk, if you are gonna' go all suicidal on us, please do it until after we've got titus down.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
Now, I don't know if bk is a townie or not, but I think our top priority is to lynch titus!!! So, bk, if you are gonna' go all suicidal on us, please do it until after we've got titus down.
He didn't lie, he made a mistake. Billking did the same thing, when he thought we should all mass roleclaim at the start.
Both "lied", as in they made a critical error, according to your definition.
So why should titus die, when his role supports his story, when billking's role implicates him?
we kill an innocent townie whos role ability has outlived its usefulness.
That's interesting. According to Azrael, he is completely useless now, except as a body who can vote. He says he's used his ability already, and that makes him vanilla.
I don't think he's vanilla though. I think he's white chocolate. He's mafia pretending to be a regular townie, so any SKs wouldn't put a priority kill on him and neither would the town. It's a great way to survive. And maybe in his role PM, it said he had to kill a fellow Mafioso. It would defainately balance out his role more, and explain why he would choose someone we were going to kill anyway.
He's also triggered my scum radar, as I have said multiple times ITT.
On the other hand, Azrael is famed for being a great analyst. That's all he has going for him. I think he's using his reputation and analytical skill to create a dependence on him for the Town so we wouldn't lynch him. He (and others) have done this in the past, and it has worked.
If we lynch Azrael, we stand a (significant IMO) chance of killing another scum and dramatically increasing our chances of winning. If I'm wrong, we haven't lost a significant game-ability for the town. All we've lost is something that can be easily duplicated.
20Bux, I'll make you a deal: You vote for titus today, and if I live to tomorrow, I'll vote for whoever you want then, no matter how much I disagree with you.
I think that, like in the Congress, we're not going to pass this lynch bill without a few compromises being made.
I don't titus dead. I'm not convinced he's Townie, but I bellieve the chances of him being scum are less than him being Townie. Sorry.
If we lynch Azrael, we stand a (significant IMO) chance of killing another scum and dramatically increasing our chances of winning. If I'm wrong, we haven't lost a significant game-ability for the town. All we've lost is something that can be easily duplicated.
Vote: Azrael
Oh god I hope you're not scum.
Unvote: Titus
Vote: Azrael
If Azrael turns out to be scum, we'll know that titus and axel is too.
That's interesting. According to Azrael, he is completely useless now, except as a body who can vote. He says he's used his ability already, and that makes him vanilla.
I don't think he's vanilla though. I think he's white chocolate. He's mafia pretending to be a regular townie, so any SKs wouldn't put a priority kill on him and neither would the town. It's a great way to survive. And maybe in his role PM, it said he had to kill a fellow Mafioso. It would defainately balance out his role more, and explain why he would choose someone we were going to kill anyway.
He's also triggered my scum radar, as I have said multiple times ITT.
On the other hand, Azrael is famed for being a great analyst. That's all he has going for him. I think he's using his reputation and analytical skill to create a dependence on him for the Town so we wouldn't lynch him. He (and others) have done this in the past, and it has worked.
If we lynch Azrael, we stand a (significant IMO) chance of killing another scum and dramatically increasing our chances of winning. If I'm wrong, we haven't lost a significant game-ability for the town. All we've lost is something that can be easily duplicated.
Do you have anything besides gut feelings and conjecture to support your position?
My ability is fairly obviously a townie role. Two extra day kills, for the mafia? *shakes head* Assasins are a powerful enough role as it is, and they only get one kill, in games with 20 or more people.
Being able to kill 2 at once, in a game this size, would be ridiculous.
Also, if Titus and I were mafia working together, wouldn't it have been a much more powerful play to bring the doc and cop out of hiding, and kill them both at once?
That's interesting. According to Azrael, he is completely useless now, except as a body who can vote. He says he's used his ability already, and that makes him vanilla.
I don't think he's vanilla though. I think he's white chocolate. He's mafia pretending to be a regular townie, so any SKs wouldn't put a priority kill on him and neither would the town. It's a great way to survive. And maybe in his role PM, it said he had to kill a fellow Mafioso. It would defainately balance out his role more, and explain why he would choose someone we were going to kill anyway.
He's also triggered my scum radar, as I have said multiple times ITT.
On the other hand, Azrael is famed for being a great analyst. That's all he has going for him. I think he's using his reputation and analytical skill to create a dependence on him for the Town so we wouldn't lynch him. He (and others) have done this in the past, and it has worked.
If we lynch Azrael, we stand a (significant IMO) chance of killing another scum and dramatically increasing our chances of winning. If I'm wrong, we haven't lost a significant game-ability for the town. All we've lost is something that can be easily duplicated.
Vote: Azrael
*Axelrod put his head in his hands*
My god man, are you saying that you think Azrael has another kill AND he's scum? How unballanced can one role be? Three kills? Four? There's only twelve people in ths game. He might have another kill that he's keeping under wraps, but that would make it MORE likely that he's town.
The only possible exception to this would be if he were a Serial Killer of some sort. Totally on his own. I'm not sure how that would work, but it seems extremely unlikely.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Axelrod, I listened to you very intently. For a moment there, you even had my mind changed. But then I remembered my full stomach. Everything makes sense if you assume I'm poisoned.
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You have to concede that Titus had a complete list of names. He had to have such a list. From his very first post (calling musashi "b****," when she was the Don's wife.) He was spitting out a name in virtually every post. This is not the kind of ability you would expect the Traitors to have or need.
I think you're right that Titus had a complete list of names now. I'll also admit that it's weird that the Traitors got such a list. But I believe it happened, and more importantly I think he did a great job with it. I regret nothing in this game more than my first post. It was so horribly wrongheaded, and gave Titus all the push he needed to get role information from virtually everyone. You say one couldn't plan on that happening... I think one very well could, did, and succeeded.
But frankly, that's starting to matter less and less to me now... it's become the secondary reason. The primary reason is that you're defending him, and I'm pretty sure you're scum. It's that meal in my stomach combined with the definition of the Don's Wife's ability. If I'm poisoned, I'll be dead at the beginning of the next day, not immediately. You clearly thought we were on opposite sides when you fed me, although that doesn't really indicate you're a traitor, because you could have thouht I was one. But now you act like you're my bosom buddy. Thanks, friend, for the poison, it was delicious. Such a big reversal indicates not quite lying but intense manipulation, which I think rules out the you-thinking-I'm-traitor possibility at puts you firmly in the you're-a-traitor-trying-to-kill-me camp.
Does it really surprise you that I think you're a traitor? Does it surprise you that I think azrael and titus are traitors, when you've been defending each other?
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Kingcobweb was the one agressively defending Moxen. (See post #44,#46,#61,#71). He was also quite ready to vote for musashi without Titus' "comfirmation." He is chomping at the bit to get Titus now. He is the best target.
I think that was a play error rather than a tell. kcw just wasn't a firm believer in the strategy me and 20Bux employed. I think the spirit of his defense was one of not wanting to jump the gun and lynch an innocent; I don't think he was trying to deflect the lynch onto anyone in particular, except for possibly me, and I believe that conflict is mostly resolved.
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You like deals so I'll make you a one. Vote kingcobweb now and I'll vote whatever way you want tomorrow. Someone has to break the deadlock.
A hollow promise, considering the tells I'm picking up off of you. Sorry, 20Bux, but I'm afraid I'll have to pull back that offer... I doubt I'd be able to deliver.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
Well Billking, I have to say that you're doing an excellent job of swaying the weak-minded with conjecture and and wild suspicions, unsupported by fact or evidence. If you were on MT, you'd already be finished. Here, it'll take a little longer, but you're not going to turn the tide. Even if you succeed in lynching me or axel or titus, I can't believe that they wouldn't be smart enough to hit you in retribution and follow up on the leads we've already given them.
I feel obliged to go with 20Bux. As I've said earlier, I think he's least likely to be traitor, and frankly I trust him over kcw. Plus, it's a compromise I'm willing to make; azrael's on my suspect list too, and even if it's below titus on my suspect list I think we need to make a deal in order to settle on a lynch. Most importantly, 20Bux's argument is compelling and jives with everything I've seen.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
Okay, here's putting out a call to those not involved in this debate. Particularly H-man and Dementia Bladder. Something very stupid is going on here and I am unable to stop it. Please listen to reason.
billking: If your whole reason to distrust me is that you think I've poisoned you then I don't know what to say. You will wake up alive tomorrow. Will you believe me then? What will you give me if you are not dead?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Well Billking, I have to say that you're doing an excellent job of swaying the weak-minded with conjecture and and wild suspicions, unsupported by fact or evidence. If you were on MT, you'd already be finished. Here, it'll take a little longer, but you're not going to turn the tide. Even if you succeed in lynching me or axel or titus, I can't believe that they wouldn't be smart enough to hit you in retribution and follow up on the leads we've already given them.
I thought you were a better player, Azrael. But instead of listing "the town" or "an innocent person" you said "me or axel or titus". You really need to watch yourself better.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
billking: If your whole reason to distrust me is that you think I've poisoned you then I don't know what to say. You will wake up alive tomorrow. Will you believe me then? What will you give me if you are not dead?
Honestly, I'll think the poison takes two days to act.
I'm never going to trust you, axelrod. That's the price you paid when you used your ability.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Hmmmm. I am liking the line of thought that Azrael can't be scum, as his ability would be too powerful. But what if he HAD to kill 1 Mafia and 1 townie when he used it? Now that would make for an interesting ability. Not saying that's the case, just throwing that out there.
So, right now the voting is 3v3v3. Obviously, I could tell people not to vote for me, but chances are that's not going to happen. What I can do is say to the people voting for Azrael, it's unlikely he's scum, because, as was mentioned earlier, he had an ability to kill 2 people. Come on over to the "vote titus" bandwagon, it's nice and cushy!
Lt. Ripper, I'd ask that you protect Hvir tonight, and Hvir, can you investigate Billking? I'm not sure how much I'm trusting him at the moment. He's been making too many bad moves, using too much false logic, from the very beginning.
I'd love to investigate Billking tonight, but I won't be able to:
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I'm the Right Hand Man, the recently deceased Don's childhood friend, and I know all his old contacts. Every other night, I am allowed to carry out an inspection, identifying a player's name and faction. If it is the second time I carry out an inspection on a particular player, I get their role description as well.
Granted, I can understand why my abilities are limited in this manner; combined with Azrael's daykills and titus' list of roles, a power to investigate every night would be crippling for the Mafia.
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You don't think that this can help the Mafia? Don't you realize that now, not only do they know who the cop is, they know who the doctor is, too. Doesn't that seem in the slightest bit advantageous...ious...ily... whatever to the mafia? You really think they're going to wait even 1 night before Lt. Ripper dies?
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I will protect Hvir tonight, as he is the cop, but I ask him to inspect titus, although it will be wasted since we should just kill him today.
Which is why I am proposing that Lt. Ripper decide to protect EITHER me or himself tonight, WITHOUT telling the rest of us who he is going to protect. This will make it harder for the Mafia to successfully kill either one of us, since we'll each have a 50% chance of survival.
I'd also like to extend this scattershot strategy to my night inspection ability when I use it on Night 3 (assuming I live that long). Give me two or three players to investigate, and I will investigate one of them to prevent the Mafia from killing the target of my investigation each night.
I am AGAINST voting for titus or Azrael, since I do agree with the logic presented - either ability would be overwhelmingly powerful in the hands of Mafia.
It would make no sense for titus to be a Traitor, with a complete list of roles, since aurorasparrow might as well have given the complete list to ALL the Mafia members.. I am satisfied that he does indeed have a complete list of roles, possibly complete with the names of those who have those roles.
Azrael's argument that if he and titus had been Mafia he would have killed Lt. Ripper and me immediately by using the list to flush us out is equally sound. I do not believe that he is a Traitor.
I am still open to further arguments, but I do not see myself voting for either of these players anytime soon.
I'm seriously completely confused as the voting thing goes, did aurorasparrow just mess up in his post or is that how it's suppose to look? Am I just that nubbish?
I always thought the number beside the name is how many people voted for that person, and according to aurorasparrow, Azrael has voted twice??
It would make no sense for titus to be a Traitor, with a complete list of roles, since aurorasparrow might as well have given the complete list to ALL the Mafia members.. I am satisfied that he does indeed have a complete list of roles, possibly complete with the names of those who have those roles.
I disagree. It would be imbalanced if he had a list of roles and their abilities, however, he does not. It would be imbalanced in a game of vanilla Mafia, where the Doctor is named the Doctor, but in a game where he is named Security, and the Cop is named the Right Hand Man, it is not nearly as good. This is why I have no trouble believing that titus is scum.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
Point me to where you posted my role before I did.
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i made a reference to your role. i wasn't just inanely babbaling.
I can't find it on Mafiascum.net
it also seems like me, kcw, and lt ripper are all pretty much in agreement on the need to vote titus off
so that leaves 20Bux, DB, safetydance, and hv___ as those who are not, shall we say, affiliated with a particular political party
in order to lynch 3 of those 4 need to choose a side
this could take a long time....
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
Well, we needa' wait for one of them to actually post.
Does day 1 end after we've lynched someone?
Sure does.
i still don't understand how i could know lt. ripper's and kcw's role if i was a traitor.
why would a traitor confirm and reveal this knowledge? that doesn't make any sense - i would've just PM'd by buddies with the list and not said anything. secondly, how is that a traitor ability? they don't gain any usefull information, as there arn't role abilities, just role names.
I think that, like in the Congress, we're not going to pass this lynch bill without a few compromises being made.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
:wise:
WHAT THE HELL IS SECURITY?!
You don't know your own role? I thought you said you were a doctor-type role.
Alright!
That makes more sense. Yes, I am the doctor-type role, I just didn't know it was called "security" in this game.
'Sup Rider gambit.
Afraid I don't understand the allusion.
In any case, I'm willing to bet with Rider it was the only thing going for him. I've got more going on than just a suicidal urge. I'm actually, you know, playing, thinking, posting, and stuff. I won't let myself become a one-trick pony.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
But the burden of proof is on you. If you want to prove that you're a townie, get yourself mod-killed, or give in and start voting for yourself.
I'd be most interested in seeing what happens.
In several mafia games over at MT, rider consistently asked to be lynched in order to avert suspicion, to pretend that he had nothing but the town's best interest at heart and was willing to sacrifice himself for the greater good. He even voted for himself, early on. He was later offed by the serial killer. Yeah, he was scum alright.
And we too know exactly who to kill, only there are more of us. If the town can trade one townie for one mafia member until the mafia is dead, they win, even if the doc and cop don't survive.
Yes, you would want the doc and cop not to survive now wouldn't you.
You have to concede that Titus had a complete list of names. He had to have such a list. From his very first post (calling musashi "b****," when she was the Don's wife.) He was spitting out a name in virtually every post. This is not the kind of ability you would expect the Traitors to have or need. They already know who they are and who is not them. Also, if you will notice, you cannot tell the ability just by looking at the role. The doc in this game is "Security." The cop is the "right hand man"
The argument that Titus released the names so he could find out who was who and so then the Traitors could target the dangerous roles doesn't work. Even with a mass roleclaim, you wouldn't know what everyone did. Now, in point of fact, people started telling what they could do along with their names, so it all came out, but one couldn't plan on that happening.
Why is it so hard to accept that Titus was just playing a hunch when he decided that the Traitors were the members of the Don's family?
How can you believe that Azrael's ability could belong to a Traitor? Why would Azrael jump the gun and kill musashi AND Chrome when he did if he were a Traitor. Musashi had five votes on him at the time. He was the one going to be lynched, not Chrome. If Azrael were a Traitor it would make no sense to kill Moxen under those circumstances. None.
Kingcobweb was the one agressively defending Moxen. (See post #44,#46,#61,#71). He was also quite ready to vote for musashi without Titus' "comfirmation." He is chomping at the bit to get Titus now. He is the best target.
You like deals so I'll make you a one. Vote kingcobweb now and I'll vote whatever way you want tomorrow. Someone has to break the deadlock.
Ripper: You seem innocent, just misguided. Please listen to reason here. Voting Titus makes no sense. FORGET that he "lied" by saying musashi was a Traitor. (he also said Chrome was too, remember) He was just playing a hunch. Kingcobweb is not your friend in this game. Don't get led astray.
roger roger
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
He didn't lie, he made a mistake. Billking did the same thing, when he thought we should all mass roleclaim at the start.
Both "lied", as in they made a critical error, according to your definition.
So why should titus die, when his role supports his story, when billking's role implicates him?
If it meant the mafia were wiped out to a man, i'd be fine with that sacrifice, even if I was the doc or cop.
That's interesting. According to Azrael, he is completely useless now, except as a body who can vote. He says he's used his ability already, and that makes him vanilla.
I don't think he's vanilla though. I think he's white chocolate. He's mafia pretending to be a regular townie, so any SKs wouldn't put a priority kill on him and neither would the town. It's a great way to survive. And maybe in his role PM, it said he had to kill a fellow Mafioso. It would defainately balance out his role more, and explain why he would choose someone we were going to kill anyway.
He's also triggered my scum radar, as I have said multiple times ITT.
On the other hand, Azrael is famed for being a great analyst. That's all he has going for him. I think he's using his reputation and analytical skill to create a dependence on him for the Town so we wouldn't lynch him. He (and others) have done this in the past, and it has worked.
If we lynch Azrael, we stand a (significant IMO) chance of killing another scum and dramatically increasing our chances of winning. If I'm wrong, we haven't lost a significant game-ability for the town. All we've lost is something that can be easily duplicated.
Vote: Azrael
I don't titus dead. I'm not convinced he's Townie, but I bellieve the chances of him being scum are less than him being Townie. Sorry.
Oh god I hope you're not scum.
Unvote: Titus
Vote: Azrael
If Azrael turns out to be scum, we'll know that titus and axel is too.
Do you have anything besides gut feelings and conjecture to support your position?
My ability is fairly obviously a townie role. Two extra day kills, for the mafia? *shakes head* Assasins are a powerful enough role as it is, and they only get one kill, in games with 20 or more people.
Being able to kill 2 at once, in a game this size, would be ridiculous.
Also, if Titus and I were mafia working together, wouldn't it have been a much more powerful play to bring the doc and cop out of hiding, and kill them both at once?
*Axelrod put his head in his hands*
My god man, are you saying that you think Azrael has another kill AND he's scum? How unballanced can one role be? Three kills? Four? There's only twelve people in ths game. He might have another kill that he's keeping under wraps, but that would make it MORE likely that he's town.
The only possible exception to this would be if he were a Serial Killer of some sort. Totally on his own. I'm not sure how that would work, but it seems extremely unlikely.
I think you're right that Titus had a complete list of names now. I'll also admit that it's weird that the Traitors got such a list. But I believe it happened, and more importantly I think he did a great job with it. I regret nothing in this game more than my first post. It was so horribly wrongheaded, and gave Titus all the push he needed to get role information from virtually everyone. You say one couldn't plan on that happening... I think one very well could, did, and succeeded.
But frankly, that's starting to matter less and less to me now... it's become the secondary reason. The primary reason is that you're defending him, and I'm pretty sure you're scum. It's that meal in my stomach combined with the definition of the Don's Wife's ability. If I'm poisoned, I'll be dead at the beginning of the next day, not immediately. You clearly thought we were on opposite sides when you fed me, although that doesn't really indicate you're a traitor, because you could have thouht I was one. But now you act like you're my bosom buddy. Thanks, friend, for the poison, it was delicious. Such a big reversal indicates not quite lying but intense manipulation, which I think rules out the you-thinking-I'm-traitor possibility at puts you firmly in the you're-a-traitor-trying-to-kill-me camp.
Does it really surprise you that I think you're a traitor? Does it surprise you that I think azrael and titus are traitors, when you've been defending each other?
I think that was a play error rather than a tell. kcw just wasn't a firm believer in the strategy me and 20Bux employed. I think the spirit of his defense was one of not wanting to jump the gun and lynch an innocent; I don't think he was trying to deflect the lynch onto anyone in particular, except for possibly me, and I believe that conflict is mostly resolved.
A hollow promise, considering the tells I'm picking up off of you. Sorry, 20Bux, but I'm afraid I'll have to pull back that offer... I doubt I'd be able to deliver.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
unvote titus, vote azrael
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
unless you guys think we have a 4 mafia game
billking: If your whole reason to distrust me is that you think I've poisoned you then I don't know what to say. You will wake up alive tomorrow. Will you believe me then? What will you give me if you are not dead?
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
I'm never going to trust you, axelrod. That's the price you paid when you used your ability.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
Bilking: azrael,
KCW(1): titus, azrael, axelrod
titus(5): KCW, billking, safetydance
azrael: 20Bux, Lt. Ripper, billking
6 to lynch.
Pibbly may or may not be replacing Dementia Blader. If he posts treat him like Dementia Blader.
4th place at CCC&G Pro Tour
Chances of bad hands (<2 or >4 land):
21: 28.9%
22: 27.5%
23: 26.3%
24: 25.5%
25: 25.1%
26: 25.3%
Wtf?!
A little dreary are we aurorasparrow?
Well he can't edit his post obv
I'd love to investigate Billking tonight, but I won't be able to:
Granted, I can understand why my abilities are limited in this manner; combined with Azrael's daykills and titus' list of roles, a power to investigate every night would be crippling for the Mafia.
Which is why I am proposing that Lt. Ripper decide to protect EITHER me or himself tonight, WITHOUT telling the rest of us who he is going to protect. This will make it harder for the Mafia to successfully kill either one of us, since we'll each have a 50% chance of survival.
I'd also like to extend this scattershot strategy to my night inspection ability when I use it on Night 3 (assuming I live that long). Give me two or three players to investigate, and I will investigate one of them to prevent the Mafia from killing the target of my investigation each night.
I am AGAINST voting for titus or Azrael, since I do agree with the logic presented - either ability would be overwhelmingly powerful in the hands of Mafia.
It would make no sense for titus to be a Traitor, with a complete list of roles, since aurorasparrow might as well have given the complete list to ALL the Mafia members.. I am satisfied that he does indeed have a complete list of roles, possibly complete with the names of those who have those roles.
Azrael's argument that if he and titus had been Mafia he would have killed Lt. Ripper and me immediately by using the list to flush us out is equally sound. I do not believe that he is a Traitor.
I am still open to further arguments, but I do not see myself voting for either of these players anytime soon.
I always thought the number beside the name is how many people voted for that person, and according to aurorasparrow, Azrael has voted twice??
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
billking, why exactly is it that you want me dead? I don't think I fully understand your reasoning on that.
because you're not a loyalist, obv
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.