MY major concern right now with successful identification of everyone's role is that this will make it easier for the Mafia to kill the 'doctor' character, and eventually me.
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One wonders a little, however, why an "entertainer" has two vigilante kills. I mean, I'm a Chef. I serve dishes. Why does the entertainer kill people?
The first image that came to mind when the word 'entertainer' was mentioned was that of Siegfried & Roy. Maybe Azrael uses a pair of white tigers? :slant:
billking: if that's your ability, why did you suspect Azrael? Finding out he's the entertainer is hardly incriminating.
It was pure hunch. I thought "entertainer, entertainer... what the hell could an entertainer do?" I came up with two solid hypotheses, both revolving around the concept of "distraction" — he could be a roleblocker, or he could do something to distract the town during the day to toss off the voting. Since a roleblocker can be either affiliation and disrupting the voting process is a traitor thing, i thought it was slighly more likely he was traitor. Nothing actionable though... as I indicated earlier.
I'm a compulsive post editor, 20Bux. Cmon, I thought you knew me from MiseTings. I regularly make quick posts with spelling errors and lightning-edit them afterwards, fixing the mistakes. i've tried to cut down on this by being more thorough and using more double-posts but it's hard, especially when i make mistakes like taking out the bold vote text in a quote. i have nothing to hide and you will not find anyone that saw me (or will see me) make any changes that altered the meaning of any post in any significant way whatsoever. i'll try to cut down on it in the future.
Lastly, I don't think we should write Mushashi and Chrome off just yet. He's probably not called the Entertainer for nothing.
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Lastly, I don't think we should write Mushashi and Chrome off just yet. He's probably not called the Entertainer for nothing.
Either something will happen to Mushashi and Chrome (probably death) once Mod checks what Azrael has done, or Azrael will die. Either way, we get potentially valuable information.
I'd tend to believe, however, that the former will happen, because Azrael isn't stupid enough to commit suicide without actually benefitting someone.
Either something will happen to Mushashi and Chrome (probably death) once Mod checks what Azrael has done, or Azrael will die. Either way, we get potentially valuable information.
I'd tend to believe, however, that the former will happen, because Azrael isn't stupid enough to commit suicide without actually benefitting someone.
Maybe Mod is nice to Mod's Entertainers. We haven't had a mod update for a while, and that might be because Azrael's role is supported in this way by Mod.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
vote KCW - he is who he says he is, but his ability seems a bit off, and he is acting very... scummy. i think it's fairly apparent as to what my faction is, and my ability has already been mentioned. this isn't a solid vote or anything, though
All I did was point a FOS. It was a hunch, and I've reconsidered. Don't get so defensive :/
Then again, considering he's already dead....Maybe he didn't think it was worth the effort.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Atualy I've never played in one of these before and have no idea what is going on
I figured that I would post when I figured out what I was suposed to do
Any way, I'm dead so *shrug*
Edit long after the fact: God, I really don't belive that that is me. I'm such a dumbass.
EDIT: oh noes mod-kill
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Atualy I've never played in one of these before and have no idea what is going on
I figured that I would post when I figured out what I was suposed to do
Any way, I'm dead so *shrug*
Atualy I've never played in one of these before and have no idea what is going on
I figured that I would post when I figured out what I was suposed to do
Any way, I'm dead so *shrug*
The mod hasn't confirmed it, so not you're not off of the hook yet.
What was your role/title/ability?
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Bah! sorry for the lateness guys... busy day, still is.
Suddenly Azrael produces two knives from his jacket and flings them at musashi and chrome moxen. The knives hit true, and both fall to the ground dead.
musashi was the Don's wife. During the day, he could Action: Offer toast to Don Atello. If half or more of the players agreed to the toast, he could poison any number of people immediately (They will die at the end of the next day). If he succeeded in the toast, he couldn't do it again.
Objective: All traitors dead.
chrome moxen was the Don's daughter in law. (s)he was a traitor, and couldn't be inspected or killed if she was the one making the kill at night. She also blocked her victim's ability.
Objective: equal the loyalists in number.
Well, that was interesting. I must say, this doesn't bode well for the Don's son, does it?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Doesn't this mean titus was lying? If musashi's objective was to have all traitors dead doesn't mean that he's not scum?
O shi, forgot that the reason musashi was killed was that titus spoke up saying he was scum.
Seeing as I was voting for 20bux on titus's info, I now unvote $20, vote titus.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
i thought i'd triple-post to explain something about the FOS on safetydance
rigth now it looks like titus and chrome were both mafia
exactly three voted for mushashi early
i think all three talked about it and decided they were block-voting
hense, hardcore FOS on safetydance
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Well, if titus claimed to be a cop, but gave us wrong information, it was probably a Mafia tactic, right? I'm not so sold on titus being scum, simply because he got so much else right. Unless I'm misreading the thread, which is possible. But then again, he caused mass-roleclaiming that could only help the Mafia. That's enough for a vote: titus.
Also, I'd like to point out that the blood reletive of Don Atello (which I am) was a Townie, and so am I.
I'd ask a doc to protect me tonight, unless a cop is confirmed today.
Titus said he was guessing it was an inside (family) job. i.e. Wife, Son, Daughter-in-law. He was wrong about the wife, but right about the daughter-in-law. We still don't know about the son, except that H-Guy pinged him and said he was loyalist.
Consider this, however. The Daughter-in-law had no "ability" outside of immunity when she was the one making the kill. She had no "day action." Or night inspection, or anything else. 20Bux has said that he has no abilities also--at least for now. That make's him even more suspicious.
On the other hand, I checked his posts and he was all over Moxen, which suggests innocence. So, I guess what I'm saying is I'm not sure. But Titus is probably not scum. He's drawing way too much attention to himself.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Consider this, however. The Daughter-in-law had no "ability" outside of immunity when she was the one making the kill. She had no "day action." Or night inspection, or anything else. 20Bux has said that he has no abilities also--at least for now. That make's him even more suspicious.
On the other hand, I checked his posts and he was all over Moxen, which suggests innocence. So, I guess what I'm saying is I'm not sure. But Titus is probably not scum. He's drawing way too much attention to himself.
I couldn't disagree more.
I think 20Bux's suggestion to go after Chrome was gold. I don't think a solid mafia tactic is to ensure that its members get lynched... I'm not saying he's totally clear, but it's unlikely at best.
Similarly, Titus is obviously a liar — he claimed Mushashi was clear. Lynch all liars, that's what I say.
Your logic sucks. It seems like you're trying to talk us out of the best moves here. That — plus the fact that you're forcing unknown substances down my throat — is enough for a minor FOS on you, Axelrod.
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There's nothing wrong with my logic. If you want to "lynch all liars" fine. But you might want to start with yourself. I very much doubt your ability claim. Or at least, you're definately leaving something out.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
There's nothing wrong with my logic. If you want to "lynch all liars" fine. But you might want to start with yourself. I very much doubt your ability claim. Or at least, you're definately leaving something out.
Am I leaving something out? Am I not? These are not question's I've answered, nor intend to. I'm not going to tell anyone I'm empty; on the same token, if I have a trump, I'm keeping that too. No matter which of those is the truth, giving away such a secret on the public forum just helps the traitors. I have no duty to do so; what I've revealed is plenty to satisfy anyone who is reasonable.
But I digress. Let's get back on the topic and stick to it. How about we lynch them liars.... 'till they're dead. Starting with Titus.
BTW minor FOS on axelrod increasing. I think the town's doing very good (one Mafia dead already) and they're getting scared and defensive. axelrod may be one of the last of them.
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I agree with Axelrod that Titus doesn't appear too scummy to me, and I'd also agree that Axelrod doesn't seem very scummy himself, as yet.
Titus' ability is not a mafia type of ability, at all. It's an information role, that gives the town the ability to figure out what they're up against. The mafia would have no use for such an ability (they just shoot everyone who isn't them), and much to fear from it.
Axelrod's chef ability seems to clear him pretty well, unless we find Billking dead from poison in a few more days.
I would caution everyone here in the strongest of terms against voting against either of these two yet. The evidence that we've accumulated so far does NOT implicate them. I'm much more interesting in completing the claim list as much as we can today, and going over everyone's activity once again and comparing it to their voting history and their role name.
And one more time for emphasis: If we lynch titus or axelrod at this point, we are making a serious mistake. I'd request that some of you unvote them immediately, we can't afford to lose titus before he can help us verify everyone, and so far the evidence points strongly towards his being a townie.
The attempt to lynch him and axelrod is seriously misguided.
I agree with Axelrod that Titus doesn't appear too scummy to me, and I'd also agree that Axelrod doesn't seem very scummy himself, as yet.
Titus' ability is not a mafia type of ability, at all. It's an information role, that gives the town the ability to figure out what they're up against. The mafia would have no use for such an ability (they just shoot everyone who isn't them), and much to fear from it.
Axelrod's chef ability seems to clear him pretty well, unless we find Billking dead from poison in a few more days.
I would caution everyone here in the strongest of terms against voting against either of these two yet. The evidence that we've accumulated so far does NOT implicate them. I'm much more interesting in completing the claim list as much as we can today, and going over everyone's activity once again and comparing it to their voting history and their role name.
And one more time for emphasis: If we lynch titus or axelrod at this point, we are making a serious mistake. I'd request that some of you unvote them immediately, we can't afford to lose titus before he can help us verify everyone, and so far the evidence points strongly towards his being a townie.
The attempt to lynch him and axelrod is seriously misguided.
Ok. Let's see what we can determine with the information at hand.
Updated Role Name List:
Dementia Blader- The Butler
Axelrod- The Chef
Billking- The Lawyer
Azrael- The Entertainer
20bux- The Don's Son
Lt. Ripper- The Doctor
KCW- The Hitman
Hvir- The Cop/Right Hand Man
Ok. Now that we have their names, and some of the voting records of those who went after chrome moxen, and musashi, we can begin to make some good educated guesses about who is and isn't above board.
This would be my list of confirmed townies:
Lt. Ripper-He's the doc.
Azrael- I killed a scum.
Axelrod-seems to have a pro-town ability
Billking-attacked chrome moxen early on, was the first to vote against him
20bux-was verified by Hvir to be a townie, and was the second to vote for chrome moxen
Hvir-he's the cop
Unknown:
Dementia Blader- The Butler
KCW- The Hitman
Safetydance-Unknown
We have only three unknowns left, only three people who have yet to prove their innocence. There is a simple solution to this problem. The entire town gathers together to lynch them all in turn. Assuming we are facing a three person mafia, there will only be one townie out of that group, probably either safetydance or dementia blader.
So from what i've seen in the thread so far, the evidence points most strongly against KCW. He's the mafia hitman, he was defending chrome moxen, he tried to justify the attempt to lurker vote musashi, and he just now initiated the idiotic wagon to kill titus, more or less a proven townie.
Vote KCW. If we pull together as a town, and unite our votes and pick the remaining unknowns off one by one, we should have this game over in a matter of 2 or 3 days, perhaps 4 if 20bux is a mafia "don" and pinged false on hvir's investigation. His vote for titus wasn't very reassuring to me, but KCW seems to be the most pressing target, and for now I'm inclined to hope that hvir's investigation was true.
My apologies for the triple post, but after farther thought, I'm convinced that Dementia Blader is actually another one of our confirmed townies.
I don't believe my role PM would have been worded the way it was if Dementia Blader was mafia. It said that we two had to make it to the final four in order to sucessfully trigger our second win condition, but that wouldn't make much sense if he was mafia. Also the PM said that both of us wanted out of the mafia if we could find a way, and so I believe that also clears him.
Azrael, you're not convincing me. Frankly, nothing's going to convince me. I know you're golden by killing a scum. Thanks a bunch for that. But defening titus here is wrongheaded. He lied, and we need to lynch all liars.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
Azrael, you're not convincing me. Frankly, nothing's going to convince me. I know you're golden by killing a scum. Thanks a bunch for that. But defening titus here is wrongheaded. He lied, and we need to lynch all liars.
I'm going to second this line of thinking here. Vote titus for now, until something happens. If I can get to a computer when sowmthing happens. Misinformation = bad. I want to double check this thread before perm. deploying my vote, but it seems thats whrere it will be.
And as I write this, I miss something a few posts up. Nice one, Storm. *slaps self*
unvote titus
I don't know what you'd call my role; it isn't really an occupation or anything, just a name, and a few characteristics about it. I am incapable of lying about my role, though.
Also, I am not loyalist or traitor. I am neutral, but that changes depending on how we lynch.
There are a few more things about my role, but nothing gigantic enough to bring into the open.
Also, I am not loyalist or traitor. I am neutral, but that changes depending on how we lynch.
Hold the freaking phone.
You admit you're not a loyalist? Awesome. One less scum to find.
You're not a traitor? Guess what... we don't care. You're either with us or against us, and you're coming out and saying you're not with us.
Guys, I know we have a bandwagon on titus right now, but this is just rediculous. safetydance must die.
my current opinions on everyone
titus - claiming mafia on someone and turning out to be wrong should carry the death penalty. recommended course: lynch.
safetydance - claiming not to be townie? guess you're SK or something, scumbag. recommended course: lynch.
axelrod - defends titus, doesn't do anything to stop wagon on mushashi, feeds me weird objects. recommended course: investigation (high priority).
azrael - on the one hand, he's killed a scum. that means something. on the other hand, he's making the same sort of posts that axelrod is. that's a little fishy. recommended course: investigation (medium-low priority).
dementia blader - damn dirty lurker. recommended course: when done with higher priority targets, aggressively lurkervote and/or investigate.
hvilferwhateverthehell - like dementia blader, but not as hard-core about the lurking. same opinion, but not quite as strong. recommended course: do nothing (for now)
lt ripper - a bad player, but probably loyalist. he's at least gotten out there, and the voting pattern seems pretty stable. recommended course of action: do nothing (for now)
kcw - a little jumpy on the trigger finger (he voted for me once) but seems to be thinking really hard about townie things to think about. if he's traitor, he's an amazing bluffer, because i'm reading something else off of him... and I base my arguments under the assumption i'm reading people correctly. recommended course: do nothing (for now).
20Bux - started the chrome mox wagon, which was based on solid logic and turned out to be gold. otherwise hasn't realy called for blood on anyone. not a lot to suspect. recommended course: do nothing (for now). my current vote for least likely to be traitor (although this could change at any time).
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
a note on investigation priorities:
this game is complicated. investigating the high-priority character could result in protection of some sort. it would be safer to flip a coin and choose either of two targets (which, if you agree with me, would be azrael or axelrod). dementia blader is a respectable choice too. i just don't want my post to make such investigations predictable for the traitors
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
You admit you're not a loyalist? Awesome. One less scum to find.
You're not a traitor? Guess what... we don't care. You're either with us or against us, and you're coming out and saying you're not with us.
He said his loyalty sways with the votes, although it's a little fishy as to why he unvoted titus.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
I still find it difficult to believe that titus is Mafia. Consider the following:
1. He supposedly has a list of all the roles in this game. This is clearly a foil to the Mafia creating false roleclaims, and is a useful tool for the town.
2. He voted for musashi because he somehow knew that musashi was related to the deceased Don, and was under the impression that all members of the Don's family were Traitors, although this is clearly not the case. I believe that fingering the Don's wife as a Traitor, based on the role name alone, was an honest mistake.
BUT
1. I notice that titus hasn't come out and produced a list of townspeople for us (not unreasonable, given that we have some players who have yet to roleclaim). This means that it's possible that titus has no such list, and has been 'confirming' players just to avoid suspicion.
2. titus has yet to provide a role name for himself.
1. I notice that titus hasn't come out and produced a list of townspeople for us (not unreasonable, given that we have some players who have yet to roleclaim). This means that it's possible that titus has no such list, and has been 'confirming' players just to avoid suspicion.
2. titus has yet to provide a role name for himself.
Well you can scratch #1 off this list. Titus pretty clearly knows the roles in this game. He told me my role (check post#65). That's why I immediately voted for musashi despite suggesting we slow down 1 post earlier. He also threw out many other rolenames before they were claimed. He's got the list. He also claims to have a ban which prevents him from simply reading it, which could be true.
billking: Investigate me all you want, I've nothing to hide. I have trouble understanding why you still think lynching Titus is the best move here. (esp. since you basically admitted you are holding back yourself) Also, if you die of poisoning it definately wasn't me. In fact, the chances of you dying of poisoning are, shall we say, dramatically less right now then they were before (Titus cleared you, remember).
The best reasoning I've heard thus far is coming from Azrael. And, though I hate to be a follower:
Vote: kingcobweb
Advocated quick lynch of musashi (calling him a lurker after less than a day); defended Moxen, repeatedly. Heck, he's the freaking Hitman.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Firstly, I am having qualms about lynching a claimed cop, without another cop to debunk him, or solid evidence. Unvote: titus. This partially stems from my first real game, where I was the cop, but acted kind of scummy.
Also, is it possible that Azrael is Mafia and picked one Mafioso and one Townie to off, thus killing a Townie and solidifying the Town's trust in him? I definately wouldn't put it past him, but in a game this small, doing it this early would be a major hit to the Mafia, because the chance that an SK or lynch will get blindly lucky is too great. But maybe he just wants us to think it would be suicidal. Hmmm...
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The first image that came to mind when the word 'entertainer' was mentioned was that of Siegfried & Roy. Maybe Azrael uses a pair of white tigers? :slant:
It was pure hunch. I thought "entertainer, entertainer... what the hell could an entertainer do?" I came up with two solid hypotheses, both revolving around the concept of "distraction" — he could be a roleblocker, or he could do something to distract the town during the day to toss off the voting. Since a roleblocker can be either affiliation and disrupting the voting process is a traitor thing, i thought it was slighly more likely he was traitor. Nothing actionable though... as I indicated earlier.
I'm a compulsive post editor, 20Bux. Cmon, I thought you knew me from MiseTings. I regularly make quick posts with spelling errors and lightning-edit them afterwards, fixing the mistakes. i've tried to cut down on this by being more thorough and using more double-posts but it's hard, especially when i make mistakes like taking out the bold vote text in a quote. i have nothing to hide and you will not find anyone that saw me (or will see me) make any changes that altered the meaning of any post in any significant way whatsoever. i'll try to cut down on it in the future.
Lastly, I don't think we should write Mushashi and Chrome off just yet. He's probably not called the Entertainer for nothing.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
Either something will happen to Mushashi and Chrome (probably death) once Mod checks what Azrael has done, or Azrael will die. Either way, we get potentially valuable information.
I'd tend to believe, however, that the former will happen, because Azrael isn't stupid enough to commit suicide without actually benefitting someone.
Maybe Mod is nice to Mod's Entertainers. We haven't had a mod update for a while, and that might be because Azrael's role is supported in this way by Mod.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
All I did was point a FOS. It was a hunch, and I've reconsidered. Don't get so defensive :/
I figured that I would post when I figured out what I was suposed to do
Any way, I'm dead so *shrug*
Edit long after the fact: God, I really don't belive that that is me. I'm such a dumbass.
EDIT: oh noes mod-kill
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What's your role?
The mod hasn't confirmed it, so not you're not off of the hook yet.
What was your role/title/ability?
Haha, sarnath'd biatch!
OMG INVISITEXT THIS IS TEH SARCASM OMGOMGOMG
I could propose a toast
EDIT: I'm going to kill myself over this game.
Not right now though.
But what did that do?
I don't believe it would do anything; don't daytime actions like these have to be bolded in order for them to take effect?
Yes, but he's not using the ability, he's saying that that's what he can do, I'm asking what does it do if he "proposes a toast".
Suddenly Azrael produces two knives from his jacket and flings them at musashi and chrome moxen. The knives hit true, and both fall to the ground dead.
musashi was the Don's wife. During the day, he could Action: Offer toast to Don Atello. If half or more of the players agreed to the toast, he could poison any number of people immediately (They will die at the end of the next day). If he succeeded in the toast, he couldn't do it again.
Objective: All traitors dead.
chrome moxen was the Don's daughter in law. (s)he was a traitor, and couldn't be inspected or killed if she was the one making the kill at night. She also blocked her victim's ability.
Objective: equal the loyalists in number.
votes: (tell me if im wrong)
Billking(1): safetydance
KCW(1): titus
7 to lynch.
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Chances of bad hands (<2 or >4 land):
21: 28.9%
22: 27.5%
23: 26.3%
24: 25.5%
25: 25.1%
26: 25.3%
Titus and others seem to think he's scum, and he did act oddly, PLUS he was family of The Don.
Doesn't this mean titus was lying? If musashi's objective was to have all traitors dead doesn't mean that he's not scum?
O shi, forgot that the reason musashi was killed was that titus spoke up saying he was scum.
Seeing as I was voting for 20bux on titus's info, I now unvote $20, vote titus.
And isn't it six to lynch when there's only ten people left?
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
i'd also like to point out to kcw that i won our little bet
hardcore FOS on safetydance for wagoning with Chrome against mushashi
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
rigth now it looks like titus and chrome were both mafia
exactly three voted for mushashi early
i think all three talked about it and decided they were block-voting
hense, hardcore FOS on safetydance
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
Also, I'd like to point out that the blood reletive of Don Atello (which I am) was a Townie, and so am I.
I'd ask a doc to protect me tonight, unless a cop is confirmed today.
Consider this, however. The Daughter-in-law had no "ability" outside of immunity when she was the one making the kill. She had no "day action." Or night inspection, or anything else. 20Bux has said that he has no abilities also--at least for now. That make's him even more suspicious.
On the other hand, I checked his posts and he was all over Moxen, which suggests innocence. So, I guess what I'm saying is I'm not sure. But Titus is probably not scum. He's drawing way too much attention to himself.
I think 20Bux's suggestion to go after Chrome was gold. I don't think a solid mafia tactic is to ensure that its members get lynched... I'm not saying he's totally clear, but it's unlikely at best.
Similarly, Titus is obviously a liar — he claimed Mushashi was clear. Lynch all liars, that's what I say.
Your logic sucks. It seems like you're trying to talk us out of the best moves here. That — plus the fact that you're forcing unknown substances down my throat — is enough for a minor FOS on you, Axelrod.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
Vote: Titus
Am I leaving something out? Am I not? These are not question's I've answered, nor intend to. I'm not going to tell anyone I'm empty; on the same token, if I have a trump, I'm keeping that too. No matter which of those is the truth, giving away such a secret on the public forum just helps the traitors. I have no duty to do so; what I've revealed is plenty to satisfy anyone who is reasonable.
But I digress. Let's get back on the topic and stick to it. How about we lynch them liars.... 'till they're dead. Starting with Titus.
BTW minor FOS on axelrod increasing. I think the town's doing very good (one Mafia dead already) and they're getting scared and defensive. axelrod may be one of the last of them.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
Titus' ability is not a mafia type of ability, at all. It's an information role, that gives the town the ability to figure out what they're up against. The mafia would have no use for such an ability (they just shoot everyone who isn't them), and much to fear from it.
Axelrod's chef ability seems to clear him pretty well, unless we find Billking dead from poison in a few more days.
I would caution everyone here in the strongest of terms against voting against either of these two yet. The evidence that we've accumulated so far does NOT implicate them. I'm much more interesting in completing the claim list as much as we can today, and going over everyone's activity once again and comparing it to their voting history and their role name.
And one more time for emphasis: If we lynch titus or axelrod at this point, we are making a serious mistake. I'd request that some of you unvote them immediately, we can't afford to lose titus before he can help us verify everyone, and so far the evidence points strongly towards his being a townie.
The attempt to lynch him and axelrod is seriously misguided.
But he lied to us about musashi being scum.
Updated Role Name List:
Dementia Blader- The Butler
Axelrod- The Chef
Billking- The Lawyer
Azrael- The Entertainer
20bux- The Don's Son
Lt. Ripper- The Doctor
KCW- The Hitman
Hvir- The Cop/Right Hand Man
Safetydance-Unknown
Musashi-Dead, Dead, Mafia Loyalist
Chrome Moxen-Dead, Mafia Traitor
Titus- Can't Claim
Ok. Now that we have their names, and some of the voting records of those who went after chrome moxen, and musashi, we can begin to make some good educated guesses about who is and isn't above board.
This would be my list of confirmed townies:
Lt. Ripper-He's the doc.
Azrael- I killed a scum.
Axelrod-seems to have a pro-town ability
Billking-attacked chrome moxen early on, was the first to vote against him
20bux-was verified by Hvir to be a townie, and was the second to vote for chrome moxen
Hvir-he's the cop
Unknown:
Dementia Blader- The Butler
KCW- The Hitman
Safetydance-Unknown
We have only three unknowns left, only three people who have yet to prove their innocence. There is a simple solution to this problem. The entire town gathers together to lynch them all in turn. Assuming we are facing a three person mafia, there will only be one townie out of that group, probably either safetydance or dementia blader.
So from what i've seen in the thread so far, the evidence points most strongly against KCW. He's the mafia hitman, he was defending chrome moxen, he tried to justify the attempt to lurker vote musashi, and he just now initiated the idiotic wagon to kill titus, more or less a proven townie.
Vote KCW. If we pull together as a town, and unite our votes and pick the remaining unknowns off one by one, we should have this game over in a matter of 2 or 3 days, perhaps 4 if 20bux is a mafia "don" and pinged false on hvir's investigation. His vote for titus wasn't very reassuring to me, but KCW seems to be the most pressing target, and for now I'm inclined to hope that hvir's investigation was true.
He made an educated guess, based on his knowledge. But consider his ability: it is NOT a mafia role.
He's been falsely bandwagoned to the verge of death. We NEED you to unvote him. I'm more or less a proven townie, you can trust my judgment on this.
I don't believe my role PM would have been worded the way it was if Dementia Blader was mafia. It said that we two had to make it to the final four in order to sucessfully trigger our second win condition, but that wouldn't make much sense if he was mafia. Also the PM said that both of us wanted out of the mafia if we could find a way, and so I believe that also clears him.
Alright, if he made an educated guess, he wouldn't have so heavily implied that he knew who the scum were, he "confirmed" musashi to be scum.
If you DO consider his ability, if you're saying he has one, then sure it might not be a mafia role, but then why would he lie?
My vote still stands.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
I'm going to second this line of thinking here. Vote titus for now, until something happens. If I can get to a computer when sowmthing happens. Misinformation = bad. I want to double check this thread before perm. deploying my vote, but it seems thats whrere it will be.
KCW(1): titus, azrael
titus(5): KCW, billking, 20Bux, Lt. Ripper, safetydance
6 to lynch.
4th place at CCC&G Pro Tour
Chances of bad hands (<2 or >4 land):
21: 28.9%
22: 27.5%
23: 26.3%
24: 25.5%
25: 25.1%
26: 25.3%
unvote titus
I don't know what you'd call my role; it isn't really an occupation or anything, just a name, and a few characteristics about it. I am incapable of lying about my role, though.
Also, I am not loyalist or traitor. I am neutral, but that changes depending on how we lynch.
There are a few more things about my role, but nothing gigantic enough to bring into the open.
Umm.. yeah. So
You admit you're not a loyalist? Awesome. One less scum to find.
You're not a traitor? Guess what... we don't care. You're either with us or against us, and you're coming out and saying you're not with us.
Guys, I know we have a bandwagon on titus right now, but this is just rediculous. safetydance must die.
my current opinions on everyone
titus - claiming mafia on someone and turning out to be wrong should carry the death penalty. recommended course: lynch.
safetydance - claiming not to be townie? guess you're SK or something, scumbag. recommended course: lynch.
axelrod - defends titus, doesn't do anything to stop wagon on mushashi, feeds me weird objects. recommended course: investigation (high priority).
azrael - on the one hand, he's killed a scum. that means something. on the other hand, he's making the same sort of posts that axelrod is. that's a little fishy. recommended course: investigation (medium-low priority).
dementia blader - damn dirty lurker. recommended course: when done with higher priority targets, aggressively lurkervote and/or investigate.
hvilferwhateverthehell - like dementia blader, but not as hard-core about the lurking. same opinion, but not quite as strong. recommended course: do nothing (for now)
lt ripper - a bad player, but probably loyalist. he's at least gotten out there, and the voting pattern seems pretty stable. recommended course of action: do nothing (for now)
kcw - a little jumpy on the trigger finger (he voted for me once) but seems to be thinking really hard about townie things to think about. if he's traitor, he's an amazing bluffer, because i'm reading something else off of him... and I base my arguments under the assumption i'm reading people correctly. recommended course: do nothing (for now).
20Bux - started the chrome mox wagon, which was based on solid logic and turned out to be gold. otherwise hasn't realy called for blood on anyone. not a lot to suspect. recommended course: do nothing (for now). my current vote for least likely to be traitor (although this could change at any time).
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
this game is complicated. investigating the high-priority character could result in protection of some sort. it would be safer to flip a coin and choose either of two targets (which, if you agree with me, would be azrael or axelrod). dementia blader is a respectable choice too. i just don't want my post to make such investigations predictable for the traitors
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
He said his loyalty sways with the votes, although it's a little fishy as to why he unvoted titus.
I think our first priority is to lynch off titus.
edited-in addendum: Notice my vote is still on titus.
Spock is not portrayed correctly. If Vulcans are above petty emotions, what motivates him to join the most elite starship crew in the galaxy? I, on the other hand, have transcended the weakness of emotion and achieved a blissful lack of caring. Apathy is my strength, our strength, which prevents us from being all-to-human. In this spirit, may Meh be with you, always.
1. He supposedly has a list of all the roles in this game. This is clearly a foil to the Mafia creating false roleclaims, and is a useful tool for the town.
2. He voted for musashi because he somehow knew that musashi was related to the deceased Don, and was under the impression that all members of the Don's family were Traitors, although this is clearly not the case. I believe that fingering the Don's wife as a Traitor, based on the role name alone, was an honest mistake.
BUT
1. I notice that titus hasn't come out and produced a list of townspeople for us (not unreasonable, given that we have some players who have yet to roleclaim). This means that it's possible that titus has no such list, and has been 'confirming' players just to avoid suspicion.
2. titus has yet to provide a role name for himself.
Well you can scratch #1 off this list. Titus pretty clearly knows the roles in this game. He told me my role (check post#65). That's why I immediately voted for musashi despite suggesting we slow down 1 post earlier. He also threw out many other rolenames before they were claimed. He's got the list. He also claims to have a ban which prevents him from simply reading it, which could be true.
billking: Investigate me all you want, I've nothing to hide. I have trouble understanding why you still think lynching Titus is the best move here. (esp. since you basically admitted you are holding back yourself) Also, if you die of poisoning it definately wasn't me. In fact, the chances of you dying of poisoning are, shall we say, dramatically less right now then they were before (Titus cleared you, remember).
The best reasoning I've heard thus far is coming from Azrael. And, though I hate to be a follower:
Vote: kingcobweb
Advocated quick lynch of musashi (calling him a lurker after less than a day); defended Moxen, repeatedly. Heck, he's the freaking Hitman.
Also, is it possible that Azrael is Mafia and picked one Mafioso and one Townie to off, thus killing a Townie and solidifying the Town's trust in him? I definately wouldn't put it past him, but in a game this small, doing it this early would be a major hit to the Mafia, because the chance that an SK or lynch will get blindly lucky is too great. But maybe he just wants us to think it would be suicidal. Hmmm...