I'd like to commend this week's winner for taking the same basic idea I was working with for this week and... perfecting it. The only decks mine is better against is slow Leyline of the Void builds, of which 0 were submitted. :/
1) WhammWhamme - What does that deck even do? EVERYTHING.
Conjurer's Bauble
Lotus Petal
City of Traitors
Dreadship Reef
Venser, Shaper Savant
2) knobbodi - 4 spells a turn
Mox Pearl
Sol Ring
Isochron Scepter
Lightning Helix
Disenchant
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...what is it with people and submitting illegal decks? THREE illegal last-minute submissions (as in, I saw them on the day I was going to put the results up...).
(one for not realising he could win on turn two, one for Show and Tell, and I just realised Black Lotus was banned this week too... sigh)
Speaking of deck problems, how do the Venser decks actually win? Venser's legendary, so casting him gives you two bounce effects but he ends up in the graveyard, doesn't he?
Edit: On hang on - FSI gets away with it most of the time since he can Foil his own Venser!
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...what is it with people and submitting illegal decks? THREE illegal last-minute submissions (as in, I saw them on the day I was going to put the results up...).
(one for not realising he could win on turn two, one for Show and Tell, and I just realised Black Lotus was banned this week too... sigh)
Joking apart, have you been around for a very long time? It's been ages since any of the XCB games banned infinite mana.
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Yeah, I read the rules that were from forever ago, and didn't bother to reread the rules on this thread to see if there were any changes. Oh well, I guess now I know.
2) knobbodi - 4 spells a turn
Mox Pearl
Sol Ring
Isochron Scepter
Lightning Helix
Disenchant
vs
5) bateleur - Forking on Sunshine
Lotus Petal
Conjurer's Bauble
Lich's Mirror
Decree of Silence
Roiling Horror
Listed as 3-3 in my row of the table, and 6-0 in bateleur's row of the table. Should be 4-1 for me. Decree of silence doesn't counter my token copies of the spells because those spells aren't being cast, and even though the ability triggers twice, the copy of the spell is a new object and therefore can't be countered by the ability.
On the play I whittle him down and when he's low enough, at end of turn I blow up his mirrors then untap and kill him. On the draw, I only get one mox, one sol ring, and one scepter. I imprint helix and just helix him every turn. Roiling horror can't kill me, and I can't kill him because even if there were a time where both decrees are off the board, I don't have enough mana to use my disenchant on the mirrors and then still have enough mana to kill him, so it ends up a draw.
Decree of silence doesn't counter my token copies of the spells because those spells aren't being cast
Why would I leave Decree on the table when I can cycle it any number of times via my infinite baubles?
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I have no idea, gamermk. I'm not sure how you got missed. =/
and knoboddi? bat beats you 6-0. Infinite baubles + infinite mana + decree means he can counter all your Lightning Helixes (and disenchant does nothing), and infinite mana means he kills you with Roiling Horror. That works on the draw too. Not sure why the table gives you a 3-3.
How does he make infinite baubles? He has to use the token bauble to bring back the original doesn't he? So doesn't that limit him to 1 buyback per turn?
How does he make infinite baubles? He has to use the token bauble to bring back the original doesn't he? So doesn't that limit him to 1 buyback per turn?
Well wait a sec - knobbodi is correct that I can't make infinite baubles, but I only need one cycling counter against Disenchant, not unlimited.
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EOT Disenchant and copy it. You cycle decree and recycle decree to stop it. Untap and Disenchant and copy it. Four disenchants vs. 2 counters.
Eh? How does he get the Disenchant back from the graveyard? (He can't put it on the Sceptre since then he's unable to kill me.)
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1) WhammWhamme - What does that deck even do? EVERYTHING.
Conjurer's Bauble
Lotus Petal
City of Traitors
Dreadship Reef
Venser, Shaper Savant
2) knobbodi - 4 spells a turn
Mox Pearl
Sol Ring
Isochron Scepter
Lightning Helix
Disenchant
3) dasheiff - Let's Try This Again.dec
Commandeer
Snapback
Mindbreak Trap
Darksteel Reactor
Subterranean Hangar
4) Draco9_1_1 - A Magus Sprout Emerald Ain't Got No Sol.
Sol Ring
Mox Emerald
Magus of the Vineyard
Sprout Swarm
Mindbreak Trap
5) bateleur - Forking on Sunshine
Lotus Petal
Conjurer's Bauble
Lich's Mirror
Decree of Silence
Roiling Horror
6) FuriouslySleepingIdea - Unlimited counters, bounce, recursion & mana
Lotus Petal
Conjurer's Bauble
Island
Venser, Shaper Savant
Foil
7) tomsloger - capital letters make WhammWhamme happy.
mountain
sol ring
lodestone golem
red sun's zenith
smoke stacks
8) gamermk - better late than never?
Mox Pearl
Mishra's Factory
Aura of Silence
Precursor Golem
Mishra's Workshop
X 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
1 X 6 6 6 3 0 6 6 = 32
2 0 X 0 6 3 0 6 1 = 15
3 0 6 X 6 6 0 6 6 = 30
4 0 0 0 X 0 0 6 0 = 6
5 3 3 0 6 X 0 6 3 = 18
6 6 6 6 6 6 X 6 6 = 42
7 0 0 0 0 0 0 X 3 = 2
8 0 4 0 6 3 0 3 X = 14
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Five Card Blind (5CB) is a weekly Magic tournament, run entirely within this forum. To compete, players submit five-card decks which are played against each other. Scoring assumes optimal play, without randomness or concealed information.
1. Game Rules
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1.2. Players' decks contain exactly five cards, which begin the game in hand. Players do not mulligan or sideboard.
1.3. Players' libraries begin the game empty. A player does not lose the game as a result of being unable to draw a card.
1.4. A random effect produces the result that least benefits the owner of the source of the effect.
1.5. Each player plays two games (one match) against each other player. 2. Tournament Rules
2.1. Players submit their decks to the 5CB moderator. 2.2. Decks are subject to some restrictions. 2.3. Points determine tournament standings. 2.4. In rounds of twenty or more players, players are divided randomly into equally-sized heats of n players, where n is the number of players divided by ten (rounded down). 2.5. The player with the most POTM points over the course of a month is the Player of the Month.
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From froffenhoffer. Will add it in later, hopefully.
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(one for not realising he could win on turn two, one for Show and Tell, and I just realised Black Lotus was banned this week too... sigh)
Edit: On hang on - FSI gets away with it most of the time since he can Foil his own Venser!
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Untap. Swing with the token.
Yes, as long as your deck is unable to kill before the opponent's second turn, which is part of the trick.
Doh.
Sure is. I'm not sure if it's kosher, but my deck still works using Lotus Petal instead of Black Lotus.
Nope, only unlimited amounts of mana.
Joking apart, have you been around for a very long time? It's been ages since any of the XCB games banned infinite mana.
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Also, what is the next week?
Mox Pearl
Mishra's Factory
Aura of Silence
Precursor Golem
Mishra's Workshop
That's it. I don't see how it wins turn 2. It wins turn 3 at best.
Mox Pearl
Sol Ring
Isochron Scepter
Lightning Helix
Disenchant
vs
5) bateleur - Forking on Sunshine
Lotus Petal
Conjurer's Bauble
Lich's Mirror
Decree of Silence
Roiling Horror
Listed as 3-3 in my row of the table, and 6-0 in bateleur's row of the table. Should be 4-1 for me. Decree of silence doesn't counter my token copies of the spells because those spells aren't being cast, and even though the ability triggers twice, the copy of the spell is a new object and therefore can't be countered by the ability.
On the play I whittle him down and when he's low enough, at end of turn I blow up his mirrors then untap and kill him. On the draw, I only get one mox, one sol ring, and one scepter. I imprint helix and just helix him every turn. Roiling horror can't kill me, and I can't kill him because even if there were a time where both decrees are off the board, I don't have enough mana to use my disenchant on the mirrors and then still have enough mana to kill him, so it ends up a draw.
Why would I leave Decree on the table when I can cycle it any number of times via my infinite baubles?
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Seriously, why am I not in this week?
and knoboddi? bat beats you 6-0. Infinite baubles + infinite mana + decree means he can counter all your Lightning Helixes (and disenchant does nothing), and infinite mana means he kills you with Roiling Horror. That works on the draw too. Not sure why the table gives you a 3-3.
Can I still be added? It's not like I created this after the fact. The message should still be in your inbox.
Yeah, no, you're in. Sorry about the delay, just needed time to check the grid and do it properly. You ate Shogun's seat. =)
Well wait a sec - knobbodi is correct that I can't make infinite baubles, but I only need one cycling counter against Disenchant, not unlimited.
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EOT Disenchant and copy it. You cycle decree and recycle decree to stop it. Untap and Disenchant and copy it. Four disenchants vs. 2 counters.
On the play you counter his mox, but on the draw he slowly whittles away your life total, then double-taps the Mirrors.
Eh? How does he get the Disenchant back from the graveyard? (He can't put it on the Sceptre since then he's unable to kill me.)
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He has TWO Scepters. It's Fork week, dude.