So, I just finished the new Daredevil series, and I have to say it really impressed me. It captured the tone perfectly and had a lot of comic connections I found surprising.
I'm surprised they killed off the Owl (Owlsley) and Ben Urich. Urich especially could have been great for the MCU in general, as he's THE reporter in Marvel comics. The Owl is a lesser known character, but one that's often enough a rival for the kingpin.
But the things that really got me were the Hand (Nobu's men) and the K'un L'un (Steel Serpent/Madame Gao) connections. The episode with Stick really made me think a Defenders series would work wonderfully, all teaming up against a supernatural threat.
Anyway, I'm really pumped for the rest of these mini-series now. Hopefully we'll be getting two a year, as Jessica Jones has been filming for a while now.
I'm at episode 2 now, I'm going through it with a friend. It's the best superhero series on at the moment.
Something you guys should pay attention to if you're interested in cinematography: episode two contains thebest fight scene in western series or films in the last decade or so. It's a really nice bit of filming that reminds me of the old Jacky Chan movies.
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Our introduction to him is (a) him awkwardly asking a woman out; then (b) violently losing his temper when someone interrupts his date. His allies constantly question his authority, talk back to him, roll their eyes at the mystique he's trying to create, and generally extend him no respect. So he completely fails to impress us as a genuine threat. For a character whose whole schtick is supposed to be that he controls everything, he's presented as scarcely in control of anything, least of all himself. He's just a sad little manchild who doesn't seem to be very good at this "criminal mastermind" gig. His right hand Wesley is much more competent than he is. And because we sense that there's an interesting story behind Wesley but never get it, also more enigmatic.
Of course, it's more than okay to peel back the layers of the onion around a villain and reveal him to be a sad little manchild in the end. Lots of stories do that well. But there has to be an onion to begin with. You don't start off by showing your big bad as pathetic. Contrast Michael Clarke Duncan's take on the character: a man in control, confidently giving orders and knowing they will be obeyed, only unleashing his tremendous physicality in the final confrontation with Daredevil, only losing his cool when he's kneeling in front of a blind man with busted kneecaps. For all the flak the Affleck movie got, that's a criminal mastermind done right.
And it's not like the Netflix series creates a sympathetic villain, either. His behavior is too erratic and extreme, his affect too bizarre. And the dots between "abused by his father" and "wants to tear down Hell's Kitchen" are poorly connected - he keeps protesting that his ends justify his means, and he honestly seems to believe it, but what we don't get is how. It's a violation of "show, don't tell". And on a similar note, it's not at all clear what Superman's Mom sees in him. We're told by a man who can hear heartbeats that the two are genuinely in love - but why? For it to be love implies a connection well beyond just money and power, and we don't see that. Vanessa just is weirded out by him for a while, then she's sleeping with him. Huh?
And on a final note, I didn't buy him visually. He never looked like the Kingpin so much as Vincent D'Onofrio in a bald cap.
In short, Michael Clarke Duncan's version >>> this version.
Apart from that major misstep, the series is really good. It clearly took cues from The Wire, of all things, to create an atmosphere of urban blight, poverty, crime, and corruption thrown into a pot and put on slow boil. This is not an action series, this is a thriller/suspense series - slow-paced and under exquisite tension. Good characterization throughout: you like Foggy, you like Karen, you like Mrs. Cardenas, you like Ben Urich, you easily see why they all like each other, and you get their ratcheting frustration and desperation.
The death of Ben Urich was way too telegraphed, though, past the point of cliché. When he was talking to Karen about how he was going to go home, write everything up, and talk to her in the morning, that's Standard TVish for "I am going to be murdered tonight". I was literally rolling my eyes. The character deserved a more interesting sendoff than that.
And when the action does break out, it's excellent. A brutal, tooth-and-nails style that we haven't seen much of in the MCU but that perfectly fits the themes of this series.
Something you guys should pay attention to if you're interested in cinematography: episode two contains thebest fight scene in western series or films in the last decade or so. It's a really nice bit of filming that reminds me of the old Jacky Chan movies.
It's the best scene in the series, hands down. A thesis statement for the character as a whole. (Although the YouTube clip leaves off the beginning and especially the end, which provide the context and dialogue to make it so.)
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Eh. It may be me, and that I haven't read much Daredevil, but it took me two episodes to warm up to Foggy. He just looked like such a tool I had to overcome my innate dislike for him.
And when the action does break out, it's excellent. A brutal, tooth-and-nails style that we haven't seen much of in the MCU but that perfectly fits the themes of this series.
I kind of disagree here. I think the guys choreographing them is learning. You can see some real promise in the Captain America fight scenes, but there it's mostly ruined by too much camera movement and not showing actual hits.
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B_S, I agree that the Kingpin was poorly handled from start to finish some of the time (on reflection, he had highs and lows). As was the other scene you mention.
I think the one redeeming feature is that this seems to be setting him up as the Kingpin we know. It's as much his evolution as Daredevil's. The final episode actually had him much more in line with what I would expect of him. The 'I am the ill intent' line, the realization that's he's not a ruthless hero but the villain, could really lead to better writing for him in the next season. He was quite good in many scenes, it was largely the emotional immaturity that they sometimes showed.
Overall, I would have liked to see less of him.
Also, I wish he had dropped the gravelly voice.
But they also did a very good job setting up for Iron Fist with Madame Gao, and for the later appearance of the Hand in the next season.
This is very much a year zero take, what with the ... dew rag pulled over his eyes or whatever that was. The Kingpin evolved just like Matt did.
I just wish we could get more Wesley. That guy did a ******* amazing job. I'm kind of surprised that, at no point, did Karen tell them that she shot Fisk's right hand man
I like how he starts off needing others to, well, do stuff, and by the end he makes that realization that to rule, he must rule alone and without equal. In the same way Ep13 is Daredevil, it is also Kingpin.
I'm also surprised Urich died, especially since Marvel recently got the rights back for Spidey. I was so certain there was no way they'd kill him off I thought they were subverting the tropes involved up until Fisk showed up.
Man, the scene when Gao just *****slaps Matt in the chest and evaporates? I was waiting/hoping for that and the payoff was worth it.
Wasn't the insane fight scene episode 3 or am I forgetting? Either way, its one of the best fight scenes of any nature I've seen in a decade, if not longer. This isn't Marvel learning for their series. This is whoever was in charge of that deciding to go "hey, you know that scene from Oldboy everyone talks about? Time to outdo it"
Now I can't wait for a season 2. I wonder if they'll move their plans up for a second seasons because I don't want to have to wait 2 years for another season of this.
By the last few episodes, I got what they were trying to do. It was just poorly executed. First impressions matter so much, and they botched the first impression of the Kingpin. And the second, and the third...
The best example of a "Year Zero" done right is Casino Royale with James Bond. What's our first impression there? The pre-credits sequence where he makes his two kills to attain 00 status. This gives us a lot of important information right off the bat: (a) it's his first time; (b) he's rough around the edges compared to "mature" Bond; and (c) he's still an absolute badass. In short, it lets us know that we're going to watch an origin story, but not to worry, because the core appeal of the character is going to be there. (Which the rest of the movie of course delivers on. Christ, that's a good movie. I should watch it again.) But the Kingpin introduction does exactly the opposite: he is already in a position of power, so there's no indication that this is an origin story, and he looks weak, so the character's core is absent.
The more I think about it, there more I'm convinced that the writers were trying to do something clever by deliberately throwing out the rulebook on good storytelling practice, so contrary is the Kingpin's development to everything in the book. But all they did was demonstrate why the book exists.
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Charlie Jane over at kotaku or io9 noted that the writing intentionally subverted a lot of what would usually happen in a show, were it network tv. These were veteran writers allowed a lot more freedom than usual
dunno, I liked the portrayal. There was a realism to it. Fisk was a flawed human trying to do good as a result of trying to overcome trauma, like Matt.
I've been a Daredevil fan for a loooong bloody time. The series seemed to pull a bit of inspiration from quite a few sources of Daredevil lore. Namely: Born Again, Man Without Fear, and Fall of the Kingpin. D'onofrio's take on Kingpin was definitely different than Michael Clarke Duncan's, but I liked it for the most part. They were both essentially focusing on two hlaves of the same character. D'onofrio leaned a bit harder on "Fall of the Kingpin" it seems, where we see a Wilson Fisk who has everything falling down around him, and is a far more vulnerable character than the "standard" Kingpin that Duncan portrayed. I don't want to take anything away from Duncan, that dude WAS the Kingpin. I was very impressed by him.
Foggy was awesome. So, so freaking awesome. I loved every bit of it. Eldon Henson is amazing and I love him. Him being a bit of a ladies man was a nice twist.
Ben Urich dying blew my f'ing mind. If Marvel is trying to build up this street level universe, why kill BEN FREAKING URICH? He's pretty much a mainstay of that world. Vondie Curtis-Hall played a great portrayal of the character too. Kind of a grouchy old jerk who you want to dislike but can't.
Killing Wesley and Leland Owlsley was kind of a wtf moment too. Though, my wife reminded me that Owlsley mentioned his son, so there might still be an Owl in upcoming seasons.
Charlie Cox as Matt Murdock/Daredevil was actually one of the weaker main characters for me. I think it was mainly his very stilted way of speaking though.
Melvin Potter was a awesome surprise. So, so great. Matt Gerald did an awesome job. I want to see more of him so bad. I loved all the little easter eggs, from the "Gladiator" poster on his wall, to the buzz saw schematics on his desk.
Overall, a fantastic "Year One" style DD story. I'm really looking forward to seeing more, and I can't wait for Luke Cage, who incidentally is starring Luke Cage.
I didn't like the Kingpin either. I was discussing it with a friend of mine, and I think that John Goodman would've been a much better person to play the part. It would've been a slight shift from the comic books, but I think a somewhat jovial version would've worked better than the borderline autistic one presented by D'Onofrio.
I liked the Kingpin, it was very much the "making of" variation and i always like seeing flawed inept villains as they slowly deteriorate into the comic portrayal of them.
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I'll be honest, i disliked Karen as a whole, she felt like such a drag because:
Well i felt she was a miserable person, and that as a result made me really dislike her scenes, and she offed Wesley in the most idiotic way possible
I'd blame Wesley for that one not Karen. I'm reading it as he is to used to being the right hand of Fisk that he gets more than a little over confindent in his own abilities to read people and manipulate them. He seemed genuinely surprised when she refused his offer and grabbed his gun. With comment about it being loaded being a desperate bluff.
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I'll be honest, i disliked Karen as a whole, she felt like such a drag because:
Well i felt she was a miserable person, and that as a result made me really dislike her scenes, and she offed Wesley in the most idiotic way possible
I'd blame Wesley for that one not Karen. I'm reading it as he is to used to being the right hand of Fisk that he gets more than a little over confindent in his own abilities to read people and manipulate them. He seemed genuinely surprised when she refused his offer and grabbed his gun. With comment about it being loaded being a desperate bluff.
Oh i dont disagree that it was Wesley's fault i just dislike that it was Karen who did it.
I just dislike the character, i just saw her as self-centered and self-righteous, everything boils down to what she wanted regardless of the consequences or needs of the others, even with regards to Elena, and then when she drags Ben into everything (specially when he was going to quit and she drags him to Fisks mom and basically sets him up for death... hell even after she kills Wesley she starts pushing Ben to do the story, when he tells her that she can just as easily publish it herself online she balks because she doesnt want to be a target anymore but still needs her needs fulfilled so she sets him up)
Eh... basically Karen was written and handled in what i feel was the most disgusting way possible, she was a dredge of a character that basically disregards anything for the sake of the plot.
Man i hated Karen
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Oh i dont disagree that it was Wesley's fault i just dislike that it was Karen who did it.
I just dislike the character, i just saw her as self-centered and self-righteous, everything boils down to what she wanted regardless of the consequences or needs of the others, even with regards to Elena, and then when she drags Ben into everything (specially when he was going to quit and she drags him to Fisks mom and basically sets him up for death... hell even after she kills Wesley she starts pushing Ben to do the story, when he tells her that she can just as easily publish it herself online she balks because she doesnt want to be a target anymore but still needs her needs fulfilled so she sets him up)
Once they decided that all the Kingpins help had to die I think they backed themselves into a corner with as without lessening the impact of the other deaths or repeating themselves there isn't really anyone else who can kill Wesley. There is no way he is going to approach Ben Urich with the offer he gave to Karen. Having him drink the champaigne would lessen the impact of Vanessa dying. The only other way he could conceivably be offed would be if he planned/was blamed for the posioning incident and Fisk were to murder him in a fit of rage. But as I said earlier that is just a repeat of when he beat Anatoly to death earlier. Atleast with Anatoly there was some purpose to it in that it riled up the Russians enough that it would be easier to take them all out. There would be no tangible gain in the Kingpin killing Wesley.
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Oh i dont disagree that it was Wesley's fault i just dislike that it was Karen who did it.
I just dislike the character, i just saw her as self-centered and self-righteous, everything boils down to what she wanted regardless of the consequences or needs of the others, even with regards to Elena, and then when she drags Ben into everything (specially when he was going to quit and she drags him to Fisks mom and basically sets him up for death... hell even after she kills Wesley she starts pushing Ben to do the story, when he tells her that she can just as easily publish it herself online she balks because she doesnt want to be a target anymore but still needs her needs fulfilled so she sets him up)
Eh... basically Karen was written and handled in what i feel was the most disgusting way possible, she was a dredge of a character that basically disregards anything for the sake of the plot.
Man i hated Karen
I thought it was really silly that he put a loaded gun on the table like that but the one that really got me was that his boss had like 20 bullet proofed vests but Wesley didn't have one??? It seemed really odd to me to be honest. If she had shot him in the face or something I could accept that but when I saw her shooting center mass my first expectation was to see him being fine because my assumption was that he would likewise have one of those vests.
I did really like Westley as a villain accomplice but it felt like he really messed up everything that lead to his death which seemed very out of character for the guy controlling everything.
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Oh i dont disagree that it was Wesley's fault i just dislike that it was Karen who did it.
I just dislike the character, i just saw her as self-centered and self-righteous, everything boils down to what she wanted regardless of the consequences or needs of the others, even with regards to Elena, and then when she drags Ben into everything (specially when he was going to quit and she drags him to Fisks mom and basically sets him up for death... hell even after she kills Wesley she starts pushing Ben to do the story, when he tells her that she can just as easily publish it herself online she balks because she doesnt want to be a target anymore but still needs her needs fulfilled so she sets him up)
Eh... basically Karen was written and handled in what i feel was the most disgusting way possible, she was a dredge of a character that basically disregards anything for the sake of the plot.
Man i hated Karen
I thought it was really silly that he put a loaded gun on the table like that but the one that really got me was that his boss had like 20 bullet proofed vests but Wesley didn't have one??? It seemed really odd to me to be honest. If she had shot him in the face or something I could accept that but when I saw her shooting center mass my first expectation was to see him being fine because my assumption was that he would likewise have one of those vests.
I did really like Westley as a villain accomplice but it felt like he really messed up everything that lead to his death which seemed very out of character for the guy controlling everything.
He actually did have a bullet proof vest, look again at the first shot it doesnt go through is is stopped by the jacket, the problem is that unlike Fisk, Wesley doesnt wear that inner vest thingy (i really dont know how you call that) just a regular shirt, so the first shot he was protected from but the 4 to the chest that followed were all the fault of the plain cotton shirt
@Kahedron: Yep i understand it and i know its really the only choice they had as far as characters go... i just really dislike Karen.
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I thought it was really silly that he put a loaded gun on the table like that but the one that really got me was that his boss had like 20 bullet proofed vests but Wesley didn't have one??? It seemed really odd to me to be honest. If she had shot him in the face or something I could accept that but when I saw her shooting center mass my first expectation was to see him being fine because my assumption was that he would likewise have one of those vests.
I did really like Westley as a villain accomplice but it felt like he really messed up everything that lead to his death which seemed very out of character for the guy controlling everything.
Just because body armor can turn a knife doesn't mean it can stop multiple bullets fired from a large-caliber handgun at point-blank range.
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Just watched the first three episodes of this series this weekend and loved it. One of the best superhero series I've ever seen on "television". If the rest of the Netflix series' are half this good then this will be an awesome part of the Marvel universe. It's definitely made me look forward to the other three a lot more.
And I love the style of fighting on this show. Maybe it's the more brawling/grappling style, or maybe it's just intentionally messier, I don't know I'm no expert on fight choreography, but it feels a lot more realistic than your typical comic book fight scene. The fight scene from episode 2 is amazing, reminded me a lot of the long take fight scene from Oldboy.
Edit: Well this is timely. Daredevil is now the highest rated show on Netflix (the next three highest are House of Cards, Breaking Bad, and Sherlock).
I actually trust this show to do a good job with this. It should be quite interesting since Daredevil himself hasn't shied away from using some fairly brutal methods at times, and as far as I know he doesn't have a "code" in the same way that say, Batman does.
I've got to disagree on that one Brasswire, Daredevil never stops being a defence attorney. whilst he does beat the crap out of a lot of people in the series only 2 of them actually die, and one of those is self inflicted. The rest are quietly left to be picked up my the assorted medical and legal personel.
Frank Castle on the other hand just kills people.
It is going to be interesting to see how the two characters play off against each other as whilst they have very similar goals there chosen methods are completely different and have lead to the pair of them squaring up to each other on numerous occasions.
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But the things that really got me were the Hand (Nobu's men) and the K'un L'un (Steel Serpent/Madame Gao) connections. The episode with Stick really made me think a Defenders series would work wonderfully, all teaming up against a supernatural threat.
Anyway, I'm really pumped for the rest of these mini-series now. Hopefully we'll be getting two a year, as Jessica Jones has been filming for a while now.
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Something you guys should pay attention to if you're interested in cinematography: episode two contains the best fight scene in western series or films in the last decade or so. It's a really nice bit of filming that reminds me of the old Jacky Chan movies.
Of course, it's more than okay to peel back the layers of the onion around a villain and reveal him to be a sad little manchild in the end. Lots of stories do that well. But there has to be an onion to begin with. You don't start off by showing your big bad as pathetic. Contrast Michael Clarke Duncan's take on the character: a man in control, confidently giving orders and knowing they will be obeyed, only unleashing his tremendous physicality in the final confrontation with Daredevil, only losing his cool when he's kneeling in front of a blind man with busted kneecaps. For all the flak the Affleck movie got, that's a criminal mastermind done right.
And it's not like the Netflix series creates a sympathetic villain, either. His behavior is too erratic and extreme, his affect too bizarre. And the dots between "abused by his father" and "wants to tear down Hell's Kitchen" are poorly connected - he keeps protesting that his ends justify his means, and he honestly seems to believe it, but what we don't get is how. It's a violation of "show, don't tell". And on a similar note, it's not at all clear what Superman's Mom sees in him. We're told by a man who can hear heartbeats that the two are genuinely in love - but why? For it to be love implies a connection well beyond just money and power, and we don't see that. Vanessa just is weirded out by him for a while, then she's sleeping with him. Huh?
And on a final note, I didn't buy him visually. He never looked like the Kingpin so much as Vincent D'Onofrio in a bald cap.
Apart from that major misstep, the series is really good. It clearly took cues from The Wire, of all things, to create an atmosphere of urban blight, poverty, crime, and corruption thrown into a pot and put on slow boil. This is not an action series, this is a thriller/suspense series - slow-paced and under exquisite tension. Good characterization throughout: you like Foggy, you like Karen, you like Mrs. Cardenas, you like Ben Urich, you easily see why they all like each other, and you get their ratcheting frustration and desperation.
And when the action does break out, it's excellent. A brutal, tooth-and-nails style that we haven't seen much of in the MCU but that perfectly fits the themes of this series.
It's the best scene in the series, hands down. A thesis statement for the character as a whole. (Although the YouTube clip leaves off the beginning and especially the end, which provide the context and dialogue to make it so.)
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Eh. It may be me, and that I haven't read much Daredevil, but it took me two episodes to warm up to Foggy. He just looked like such a tool I had to overcome my innate dislike for him.
I kind of disagree here. I think the guys choreographing them is learning. You can see some real promise in the Captain America fight scenes, but there it's mostly ruined by too much camera movement and not showing actual hits.
start to finishsome of the time (on reflection, he had highs and lows). As was the other scene you mention.Overall, I would have liked to see less of him.
Also, I wish he had dropped the gravelly voice.
But they also did a very good job setting up for Iron Fist with Madame Gao, and for the later appearance of the Hand in the next season.
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This is very much a year zero take, what with the ... dew rag pulled over his eyes or whatever that was. The Kingpin evolved just like Matt did.
I like how he starts off needing others to, well, do stuff, and by the end he makes that realization that to rule, he must rule alone and without equal. In the same way Ep13 is Daredevil, it is also Kingpin.
I'm also surprised Urich died, especially since Marvel recently got the rights back for Spidey. I was so certain there was no way they'd kill him off I thought they were subverting the tropes involved up until Fisk showed up.
Man, the scene when Gao just *****slaps Matt in the chest and evaporates? I was waiting/hoping for that and the payoff was worth it.
Wasn't the insane fight scene episode 3 or am I forgetting? Either way, its one of the best fight scenes of any nature I've seen in a decade, if not longer. This isn't Marvel learning for their series. This is whoever was in charge of that deciding to go "hey, you know that scene from Oldboy everyone talks about? Time to outdo it"
Now I can't wait for a season 2. I wonder if they'll move their plans up for a second seasons because I don't want to have to wait 2 years for another season of this.
The best example of a "Year Zero" done right is Casino Royale with James Bond. What's our first impression there? The pre-credits sequence where he makes his two kills to attain 00 status. This gives us a lot of important information right off the bat: (a) it's his first time; (b) he's rough around the edges compared to "mature" Bond; and (c) he's still an absolute badass. In short, it lets us know that we're going to watch an origin story, but not to worry, because the core appeal of the character is going to be there. (Which the rest of the movie of course delivers on. Christ, that's a good movie. I should watch it again.) But the Kingpin introduction does exactly the opposite: he is already in a position of power, so there's no indication that this is an origin story, and he looks weak, so the character's core is absent.
The more I think about it, there more I'm convinced that the writers were trying to do something clever by deliberately throwing out the rulebook on good storytelling practice, so contrary is the Kingpin's development to everything in the book. But all they did was demonstrate why the book exists.
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dunno, I liked the portrayal. There was a realism to it. Fisk was a flawed human trying to do good as a result of trying to overcome trauma, like Matt.
Foggy was awesome. So, so freaking awesome. I loved every bit of it. Eldon Henson is amazing and I love him. Him being a bit of a ladies man was a nice twist.
Killing Wesley and Leland Owlsley was kind of a wtf moment too. Though, my wife reminded me that Owlsley mentioned his son, so there might still be an Owl in upcoming seasons.
Charlie Cox as Matt Murdock/Daredevil was actually one of the weaker main characters for me. I think it was mainly his very stilted way of speaking though.
Melvin Potter was a awesome surprise. So, so great. Matt Gerald did an awesome job. I want to see more of him so bad. I loved all the little easter eggs, from the "Gladiator" poster on his wall, to the buzz saw schematics on his desk.
Overall, a fantastic "Year One" style DD story. I'm really looking forward to seeing more, and I can't wait for Luke Cage, who incidentally is starring Luke Cage.
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I starting to dislike her a bit now, in episode 5, where she
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I just dislike the character, i just saw her as self-centered and self-righteous, everything boils down to what she wanted regardless of the consequences or needs of the others, even with regards to Elena, and then when she drags Ben into everything (specially when he was going to quit and she drags him to Fisks mom and basically sets him up for death... hell even after she kills Wesley she starts pushing Ben to do the story, when he tells her that she can just as easily publish it herself online she balks because she doesnt want to be a target anymore but still needs her needs fulfilled so she sets him up)
Man i hated Karen
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All Religion, my friend is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination and poetry.
- Edgar Allan Poe
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I did really like Westley as a villain accomplice but it felt like he really messed up everything that lead to his death which seemed very out of character for the guy controlling everything.
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@Kahedron: Yep i understand it and i know its really the only choice they had as far as characters go... i just really dislike Karen.
candidus inperti; si nil, his utere mecum.
And the nice was turned away as a slash, not a stab, which matters
And I love the style of fighting on this show. Maybe it's the more brawling/grappling style, or maybe it's just intentionally messier, I don't know I'm no expert on fight choreography, but it feels a lot more realistic than your typical comic book fight scene. The fight scene from episode 2 is amazing, reminded me a lot of the long take fight scene from Oldboy.
Edit: Well this is timely. Daredevil is now the highest rated show on Netflix (the next three highest are House of Cards, Breaking Bad, and Sherlock).
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/daredevil-is-the-top-rated-show-on-netflix-2015-5#the-opening-scene-is-snappy-and-even-poetic-as-claire-temple-rosario-dawson-gets-to-know-the-vigilante-matt-murdock-charlie-cox-1
candidus inperti; si nil, his utere mecum.
Side Note: The Fight Choreographer for the Hallway Scene is now working on the Deadpool movie.
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Frank Castle on the other hand just kills people.
It is going to be interesting to see how the two characters play off against each other as whilst they have very similar goals there chosen methods are completely different and have lead to the pair of them squaring up to each other on numerous occasions.
- H.L Mencken
I Became insane with long Intervals of horrible Sanity
All Religion, my friend is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination and poetry.
- Edgar Allan Poe
The Crafters' Rules Guru