First thing I texted my friend about this episode was "Holy ****, Moira is a badass"
Slade being just such a badass that he didn't need the sedative and is therefore even better than the mook level mirakulu guys.
I'm legit excited to see this post-superpower version of Ra's. Arrow has been doing a very nifty slow rollout of superpowers and it will be interesting to see how he plays out.
I'm kind of mad at how much of an ass Ollie is to Roy. Partially because Roy was one of the best parts of Young Justice (other best parts being Kaldur and Impulse) and there has to be a better way to dissuade roy than shoot him in the leg.
Thea's plotline is deliciously unpredictable for me currently since I don't know of any comic book analog where GA's kid sister is the lovechild of his mother and Merlyn. She is nicely assertive though with her "oh, he can go out, but I'm coming with" since, currently, the two of them combined have become Speedy.
Loved the flash stuff. Him climbing on piles of chemicals while a lightning storm played out, fun stuff.
I kind of wish Diggle had more to do
In the preview, did we see a current day slade? We all know he lives, even within the show Canary asks GA whatever happened to Slade. I kind of want to see more direct island stuff show up in the real world.
Wonder whether they are going to give Deathstroke that few second precog ability or keep that entirely in the realm of Hourman
Arrow is so damn good. Green Arrow has skyrocketed to one of my favorite DC comics characters because of this show. I used to not particularly like Deathstroke either, mostly because of the old Teen Titans show having him be a more generic supervillain, but this show brought me around on him, too.
I'm kind of mad at how much of an ass Ollie is to Roy. Partially because Roy was one of the best parts of Young Justice (other best parts being Kaldur and Impulse) and there has to be a better way to dissuade roy than shoot him in the leg.
I know this is probably giving the writers too much credit, but Ollie became what he is through a series of harsh and sometimes cruel mentors. Maybe he's already preparing Roy?
I know this is probably giving the writers too much credit, but Ollie became what he is through a series of harsh and sometimes cruel mentors. Maybe he's already preparing Roy?
I think he's sort of doing that, but I think it's subconscious. Like how growing up in a violent family can make people violent even if they really try not to be - it just becomes "normal" for them.
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I know this is probably giving the writers too much credit, but Ollie became what he is through a series of harsh and sometimes cruel mentors. Maybe he's already preparing Roy?
It is possible although I read the situation more as "I'm doing the best I can to keep you from dying because it would inconvenience my sister" with a dash of "I respect you enough to know you'll try to help no matter what I say, but because you're still a liability I have to stop you and there is only way to do that"
But...
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Oh my god guys, I just watched the actual episode. I'm not sure there was a single episode of Smallville that felt that awesome.
... it doesn't matter now because 8 seconds into the [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQehXVojFOo]trailer for the next episode[/url] roy punches through a concrete block/wall or something. Holy crap I love it. Also, as [url=http://www.avclub.com/review/blast-radius-106428]this AV Club recap says "the Oliver of this show never does anything simply because that’s what his comic book counterpart does." and it shows in the writers room too because, generally speaking, roy harpers most significant metahuman powerup is the YJ cybernetic arm and even that is a stretch from his usual "power" of lots and lots of guns.
Oh, and I'm pretty sure the trailer for a random episode of Arrow is better than most seasons of smallville at this point. The show has leveled up the profile of GA more than smallville ever could have with Supes even in the first few seasons of smallville where it didn't.... suck.
Last night’s midseason finale of Arrow hit a series high in M18-34 (1.6/6), ranking #1 in the hour. Arrow delivered The CW’s best M18-34 rating for any show in more than three years (Smallville on 10/29/10). It’s the network’s best performance in M18-34 in the Wednesday 8-9 pm time period in more than five years (10/29/08).
Arrow also matched its second highest rating ever in A18-34 (1.1/4), and tied its second best number of the season in A18-49 (1.1/3). Arrow was up 10% from last year’s midseason finale in both A18-34 and A18-49, and was virtually on par with last week’s rating in both demos.
Arrow also tied both Fox and ABC at 8pm in A18-34.
Sweeeeeeeeet
Not only is this show good, but its good and popular which means we don't have to worry about it being canceled (not that was a concern seeing as how we're getting 1 or 2 spin offs, since I'm not sure how they are playing hour man)
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Oh, and I think one of the best, subtle, nods to Flash continuity is in Felicity telling Barry "Never meet your heroes" since in the DCU there is nobody that as friendly and open with his community as Flash is. One issue involving Wally opens on his run to work with him actually fixing a guys car, saying hi to people on the street, waving at truckers and just being a pillar of the community. Its great and really shows the difference between flash and other heroes in the DCU
Not to mention how much he cares so much more about the rehabilitation half
Not only is this show good, but its good and popular which means we don't have to worry about it being canceled
It's the CW, Arrow could be doing crappy and still be doing better than half of the other shows on the network. Arrow as well as The Originals are the network's new show tentpoles as Supernatural nears expiration and The Vampire Diaries ages. Neither of those shows has much shelf life left (Supernatural is renewed through to season 10 and I think most of the principals on TVD are contracted only to the end of the 14/15 season) so the CW must be keen on newer shows with both long legs and spinoff potential to hold the network up for the next 5-8 years. The Tomorrow People and Reign just aren't those shows, but Arrow and The Originals are (they're also both tied-ish for third place in network rankings behind the aforementioned Supernatural and TVD).
Arrow has more to fear from the network itself going under than from cancellation. The CW is having a rare up year, but that bubble is always in danger of bursting because the network has always been struggling in a time where the network model itself is starting to give way to new ways of watching television. The end of the CW is likely still quite some time off, but Arrow easily has 5-8 more years in it at least.
Arrow has more to fear from the network itself going under than from cancellation. The CW is having a rare up year, but that bubble is always in danger of bursting because the network has always been struggling in a time where the network model itself is starting to give way to new ways of watching television. The end of the CW is likely still quite some time off, but Arrow easily has 5-8 more years in it at least.
I think the CW has recognized that it has a fair share of SyFy's former viewers and is milking it for all it's worth.
I think the CW has recognized that it has a fair share of SyFy's former viewers and is milking it for all it's worth.
I think what the CW recognized that its initial plan of targeting the female 18-34 demo was limiting so they opened themselves up to the 18-34 demo in general. Which may or may not include SyFy viewers. Regardless, the CW is attempting to continue this surprise growth by appealing to both men and women in its target demo and a show like Arrow has become is the result.
That and they are releasing more genre tv than basically any othet network
Well they pretty much always did. Even back when the CW was the girls 18-34 network, it was genre fare like Supernatural, Smallville and Vampire Diaries that held the network up while 'girly' shows like 90210, One Tree Hill and Gossip Girl hemorrhaged viewers and were basically network filler. The network's successes are by and large its genre offerings, so it's no surprise that they'd pursue that angle and try to capture both sides of the 18-34 demo.
I'm really liking the casting of Manu Bennett as Slade Wilson. He and Karl Urban are the gruffest men on Television right now.
I wasn't sure if he could pull off the modern day Slade, but this past episode solidified it for me, both from the martial badass perspective and as a calculating anti-Batman.
I think the problem here is the dialogue being written and the direction for characters rather than just the capability of the actors. Olliver in particular is a bit of a thankless role because the character is stoic and gruff as the vigilante and stoic and apathetic as the public face, Amell himself is quite charismatic and funny but very little of that shows through so all he gets to work with is hamfisted dialogue. I think he does well considering.
The only character/actor combo I'd consider a real disappointment is Laurel/Katie Cassidy. Cassidy is actually a really great actress but Laurel is written horribly and the actress isn't able to save it. It reminds me a lot of Lana Lang from Smallville. And in both cases, the female lead was upstaged by a minor female character written specifically for the show. I think they could conceivably reconfigure the show and have Felicity become the female lead and the show would be better off for it. She's just a much more compelling character and brings out a bigger range of qualities from the protagonist because she both supports him as well as challenges him, which is a dynamic this show desperately needs because otherwise the hero is monotone and not called on his bull**** (which is something I hate to see when the hero isn't always making good choices).
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Slade being just such a badass that he didn't need the sedative and is therefore even better than the mook level mirakulu guys.
I'm legit excited to see this post-superpower version of Ra's. Arrow has been doing a very nifty slow rollout of superpowers and it will be interesting to see how he plays out.
I'm kind of mad at how much of an ass Ollie is to Roy. Partially because Roy was one of the best parts of Young Justice (other best parts being Kaldur and Impulse) and there has to be a better way to dissuade roy than shoot him in the leg.
Thea's plotline is deliciously unpredictable for me currently since I don't know of any comic book analog where GA's kid sister is the lovechild of his mother and Merlyn. She is nicely assertive though with her "oh, he can go out, but I'm coming with" since, currently, the two of them combined have become Speedy.
Loved the flash stuff. Him climbing on piles of chemicals while a lightning storm played out, fun stuff.
I kind of wish Diggle had more to do
In the preview, did we see a current day slade? We all know he lives, even within the show Canary asks GA whatever happened to Slade. I kind of want to see more direct island stuff show up in the real world.
Wonder whether they are going to give Deathstroke that few second precog ability or keep that entirely in the realm of Hourman
They kept the lightning bolt after 2 months of particle accelerator nonsense they kept the lightning bolt + chemicals thing
Yesssssss
Lol. I love this Flash. He's a light peter parker with a theme. being on time aha.
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Arrow is so damn good. Green Arrow has skyrocketed to one of my favorite DC comics characters because of this show. I used to not particularly like Deathstroke either, mostly because of the old Teen Titans show having him be a more generic supervillain, but this show brought me around on him, too.
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I know this is probably giving the writers too much credit, but Ollie became what he is through a series of harsh and sometimes cruel mentors. Maybe he's already preparing Roy?
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I think he's sort of doing that, but I think it's subconscious. Like how growing up in a violent family can make people violent even if they really try not to be - it just becomes "normal" for them.
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It is possible although I read the situation more as "I'm doing the best I can to keep you from dying because it would inconvenience my sister" with a dash of "I respect you enough to know you'll try to help no matter what I say, but because you're still a liability I have to stop you and there is only way to do that"
But...
... it doesn't matter now because 8 seconds into the [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQehXVojFOo]trailer for the next episode[/url] roy punches through a concrete block/wall or something. Holy crap I love it. Also, as [url=http://www.avclub.com/review/blast-radius-106428]this AV Club recap says "the Oliver of this show never does anything simply because that’s what his comic book counterpart does." and it shows in the writers room too because, generally speaking, roy harpers most significant metahuman powerup is the YJ cybernetic arm and even that is a stretch from his usual "power" of lots and lots of guns.
Oh, and I'm pretty sure the trailer for a random episode of Arrow is better than most seasons of smallville at this point. The show has leveled up the profile of GA more than smallville ever could have with Supes even in the first few seasons of smallville where it didn't.... suck.
Also,
http://www.greenarrowtv.com/arrow-three-ghosts-ratings-still-over-3-million/16092
Sweeeeeeeeet
Not only is this show good, but its good and popular which means we don't have to worry about it being canceled (not that was a concern seeing as how we're getting 1 or 2 spin offs, since I'm not sure how they are playing hour man)
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Oh, and I think one of the best, subtle, nods to Flash continuity is in Felicity telling Barry "Never meet your heroes" since in the DCU there is nobody that as friendly and open with his community as Flash is. One issue involving Wally opens on his run to work with him actually fixing a guys car, saying hi to people on the street, waving at truckers and just being a pillar of the community. Its great and really shows the difference between flash and other heroes in the DCU
Not to mention how much he cares so much more about the rehabilitation half
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSQ-h_2WGkw[/url]
The thumbs up at the end gets me every time
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dQBLAWslLk]10 minutes of awesome jlu flash stuff[/url]
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Heh
It's the CW, Arrow could be doing crappy and still be doing better than half of the other shows on the network. Arrow as well as The Originals are the network's new show tentpoles as Supernatural nears expiration and The Vampire Diaries ages. Neither of those shows has much shelf life left (Supernatural is renewed through to season 10 and I think most of the principals on TVD are contracted only to the end of the 14/15 season) so the CW must be keen on newer shows with both long legs and spinoff potential to hold the network up for the next 5-8 years. The Tomorrow People and Reign just aren't those shows, but Arrow and The Originals are (they're also both tied-ish for third place in network rankings behind the aforementioned Supernatural and TVD).
Arrow has more to fear from the network itself going under than from cancellation. The CW is having a rare up year, but that bubble is always in danger of bursting because the network has always been struggling in a time where the network model itself is starting to give way to new ways of watching television. The end of the CW is likely still quite some time off, but Arrow easily has 5-8 more years in it at least.
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I think the CW has recognized that it has a fair share of SyFy's former viewers and is milking it for all it's worth.
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I think what the CW recognized that its initial plan of targeting the female 18-34 demo was limiting so they opened themselves up to the 18-34 demo in general. Which may or may not include SyFy viewers. Regardless, the CW is attempting to continue this surprise growth by appealing to both men and women in its target demo and a show like Arrow has become is the result.
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Katingal: Plane of Chains
Well they pretty much always did. Even back when the CW was the girls 18-34 network, it was genre fare like Supernatural, Smallville and Vampire Diaries that held the network up while 'girly' shows like 90210, One Tree Hill and Gossip Girl hemorrhaged viewers and were basically network filler. The network's successes are by and large its genre offerings, so it's no surprise that they'd pursue that angle and try to capture both sides of the 18-34 demo.
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Fracture: Israfiel (WBR), Wujal (URG), Valedon (GUB), Amduat (BGW), Paladris (RWU)
Collision (Set Two of the Fracture Block)
Quest for the Forsaken (Set Two of the Excellion Block)
Katingal: Plane of Chains
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I had a pretty serious nerdgasm when I saw the costume too
I'm really liking the casting of Manu Bennett as Slade Wilson. He and Karl Urban are the gruffest men on Television right now.
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That actually looked pretty interesting, but Ollie's exercises seem pretty pointless for a metahuman like Roy is now.
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Really? I really dislike the acting on this show. Emily Bett Rickards and Manu Bennett are the only two exceptions.
Maybe its just the script but everything that comes out of the mouths of all but the aforementioned two seems forced and clunky
The only character/actor combo I'd consider a real disappointment is Laurel/Katie Cassidy. Cassidy is actually a really great actress but Laurel is written horribly and the actress isn't able to save it. It reminds me a lot of Lana Lang from Smallville. And in both cases, the female lead was upstaged by a minor female character written specifically for the show. I think they could conceivably reconfigure the show and have Felicity become the female lead and the show would be better off for it. She's just a much more compelling character and brings out a bigger range of qualities from the protagonist because she both supports him as well as challenges him, which is a dynamic this show desperately needs because otherwise the hero is monotone and not called on his bull**** (which is something I hate to see when the hero isn't always making good choices).
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Fracture: Israfiel (WBR), Wujal (URG), Valedon (GUB), Amduat (BGW), Paladris (RWU)
Collision (Set Two of the Fracture Block)
Quest for the Forsaken (Set Two of the Excellion Block)
Katingal: Plane of Chains