Sorry, those who can't tell the difference between a bad call, and just upset that their team f'ed up and got a penalty by breaking the rules, should probably just stop watching sports.
Does anyone else find it interesting/funny that the two teams in the super bowl are from the only two states that legalized marijuana? I think it's kind of funny. Legalize pot and maybe your team will make it next year!
son of a *****. I'm voting that in when it comes up in Michigan.
We're going to the Super Bowl next year!
...though, We've just been having the whole medicinal issues since 3 years ago or so. So maybe we've been doomed all along
Knowing or not knowing the rules of a sport has no bearing on whether or not you enjoy watching it or can watch it. I regularly go watch the local hockey team, and even though I only know maybe half the rules of the game it doesn't take anything away from the enjoyment I experience going to the game. Additionally, enjoying sporting events is about much more than just what's going on on the filed of play. You feel the refs did a poor job, myself and others do not, it's ok to have a difference of opinion. To suggest, as you did, that that means we don't understand the game and/or should stop watching is ludicrous. Get over yourself.
The thing is that the question, "Did the refs do a poor job?" is not that much of a matter of opinion. They got multiple crucial calls incorrect. This is an undeniable fact based on the statutes of the NFL. For you to argue that they didn't do a poor job despite this means that you should be able to provide compelling evidence to exemplary behavior on their behalf(ie: calls that were very close/could have gone either way that they got correct the first time, didn't have to change when reviewed, etc). I don't think that you can provide such evidence. Also keep in mind that getting the calls correct is the entirety of their job, and a missed call weighs far more heavily against the refs than a correct one does for them.
And if this just happened this one time, I would admittedly be frustrated, but would have blown it off by now. Poor officiating directly impacted the end result of many, many football games this year. Far more than I recall compared to other years. Officiating in the NFL is poor, and something needs to be done. Are my ideas bad? Maybe. But something has to be corrected, because the general NFL fanbase dissatisfaction with the officiating crew this year was/is much higher than it has been in recent years.
IMO they got ONE crucial call incorrect and it didnt affect the games outcome as SF got the ball back anyway. In regard to a previous comment you made about Mike Pereira, he's a running punch line amongst NFL fans. Not a guy whose opinion gets much respect to be honest....and for good reason
Poor officiating directly impacted the end result of many, many football games this year. Far more than I recall compared to other years. Officiating in the NFL is poor, and something needs to be done.
I disagree. I think fans THINK its worse for 2 reasons: 1) The NFL has implemented far too many absurd rule changes 2) The referee strike from a year ago has us scrutinizing every call far more than we did before said strike.
The absurd rule changes is more impactful on officiating than anything else, and it's not just that the penalties are now weird, it's the amount of times things have changed. They removed the five yard facemask penalty to make things less complicated, but since then, all they've done is make existing penalties more confusing.
Most of the time it is just a kick at goal (think conversion in Rugby) for a single point or you can run a normal play and attempt to get the ball across the goal line again for 2 points.
It has gotten to the stage that a kick at goal is pretty much automatic with the only uncertainty being when a team attempts to go for 2, which doesn't happen that much.
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I think the guys are being a bit harsh. The NFL has a commitee thats sole purpose is to suggest rules changes for the league. And one of the things that crops up periodically is the Point After attempt.
Even if we on the sidelines beleive that a proposed rules change is stupid and would just make the game worse they still have duty to investigate it and do the due deligence before rejecting it.
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I think it should be moved out to like the 20 yard line. So an extra point would still be a manageable 37 yard field goal but has much more of a chance of being missed.
A kicker who is 40/40 on extra points at the end of the year would actually be able to say it was an accomplishment.
I agree with Belichick (I know shocker LMAO) when he said the extra point is a nonplay. He said this when they essentially took away kickoffs making them a nonplay especially in places like Denver. Take nonplays out of the game. Either make it an automatic 7 points with the option to get 8 at the risk of only getting 6...or make it a play.
What do you guys think of a possible Super Bowl Saturday or Monday? Personally I think it's ridiculous. Moving the game to a different day because of bad weather is just dumb, this is football for crying out loud! Especially with these two teams. It's not like Seattle and Denver are always sunny and warm.
Some people think that it should be Saturday night in general, not just this game. I think it should stay Sunday but I think they can change it.
Start the season a week later and add another bye week for everyone. This will allow players to heal from injuries more. The season will extend two weeks further into February. Now the Super Bowl would be on the Sunday before President's Day giving many people in the USA anyway the day after off (something alot of people complain about when wanting it Saturday instead).
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The Super Bowl is played at a reasonable time on the regular day for NFL games. The game itself is usually over at a reasonable time, but even with the extended halftime, all the post game reactions, interviews, analysis, etc. I don't think it lasts too late for someone to get to bed and still make it to work each morning.
Heck, I work third shift and have yet to be late to work because of the Super Bowl. Of course, last year I definitely cut it close due to the extended stadium black-out...
The only people who want it on Saturday are those who only care about football on this particular day because of the party and are just "watching" the game mainly for the commercials; they couldn't care less about the actual game or its outcome. In other words, those who get wasted and are hungover on Monday; those who want to continue the party long after the game is finished.
(about the English language) It's kinda like a raft that was cobbled together from parts of three different boats and since then has been kept barely afloat with crude repairs every time a leak appeared.
I was referring to the fact that there has been talk of moving this super bowl to saturday or monday be cause of poor weather conditions in NJ.
I agree with your original contention.....its stupid. They chose to play a SB in Jersey in February. Now lie in the bed you made. My previous response was addressing Whitemages post to completely rearrange the NFL schedule
Well I'd rather they do my idea by starting later and adding a bye week than adding two games like they keep threatening to do. LOL.
I'd rather everything just stay the same like the rest of here, but that'd be the only thing I'd be okay with as far as appeasing the casuals and corporates.
Well I'd rather they do my idea by starting later and adding a bye week than adding two games like they keep threatening to do. LOL.
I'd rather everything just stay the same like the rest of here, but that'd be the only thing I'd be okay with as far as appeasing the casuals and corporates.
Im torn on the 18 game idea. There are parts of the idea I like and then others I dont. Adding a 2nd bye week here would be a must. Reducing the number of preseason games is a must also. Increasing roster size from 53 players to whatever number they deem appropriate would also be a necessity. I DO NOT want to see an increase in the number of teams that make the playoffs however, unless they realign the divisions so that 10 or 11 win teams arent left out while 7/8/9 win teams get in. They could leave current divisions as is and just combine the AFC with their NFC counterparts:
EAST - New England, Buffalo, Miami, New York Jets, New York Giants, Philadelphia, Dallas, Washington
North - Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Green Bay, Detroit, Minnesota, Chicago
South - Jacksonville, Indianapolis, Tennessee, Houston, New Orleans, Atlanta, Tampa Bay, Carolina
West - Denver, San Diego, Kansas City, Oakland, Seattle, San Francisco, Arizona, St. Louis
or go a more regional route:
North - New England, Buffalo, New York Jets, New York Giants, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Washington, Philadelphia
West - Oakland, Denver, San Diego, Seattle, San Francisco, Arizona, Dallas Kansas City
South - Miami, Jacksonville, Tampa Bay, Carolina, Atlanta, New Orleans, Tennessee, Houston
Central - Minnesota, Green Bay, Chicago, Detroit, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Indianapolis, St Louis
*teams like Dallas, Kansas City, St Louis, & Tennessee could realistically fit in to more than one division
The less divisions there are, the less likely it will be to have teams that dont deserve a spot get in. It also prevents superior teams from having to go on the road in the opening round.
This year it would have looked like this in a 14 team format:
Bye: #2 Denver, #1 Seattle
#14 Baltimore @ #3 Carolina
#13 Green Bay @ # 4 New England
#12 San Diego @ # 5 San Francisco
#11 Arizona @ #6 Cincinnati
#10 Philadelphia @ #7 Indianapolis
#9 Kansas City @ # 8 New Orleans
In a traditional 12 team format Baltimore and Green Bay would have been left out.
With an 18 game schedule, each team could play a home and home with the 7 other teams in their division (14 games), then play the last 4 against 1/2 of another division. Then the following year they could play the other 4 and rotate divisions each season. I think this kind of system could make for some pretty compelling matchups during both the regular season and the playoffs.
Im torn on the 18 game idea. There are parts of the idea I like and then others I dont. Adding a 2nd bye week here would be a must. Reducing the number of preseason games is a must also. Increasing roster size from 53 players to whatever number they deem appropriate would also be a necessity. I DO NOT want to see an increase in the number of teams that make the playoffs however, unless they realign the divisions so that 10 or 11 win teams arent left out while 7/8/9 win teams get in. They could leave current divisions as is and just combine the AFC with their NFC counterparts:
EAST - New England, Buffalo, Miami, New York Jets, New York Giants, Philadelphia, Dallas, Washington
North - Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Green Bay, Detroit, Minnesota, Chicago
South - Jacksonville, Indianapolis, Tennessee, Houston, New Orleans, Atlanta, Tampa Bay, Carolina
West - Denver, San Diego, Kansas City, Oakland, Seattle, San Francisco, Arizona, St. Louis
or go a more regional route:
North - New England, Buffalo, New York Jets, New York Giants, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Washington, Philadelphia
West - Oakland, Denver, San Diego, Seattle, San Francisco, Arizona, Dallas Kansas City
South - Miami, Jacksonville, Tampa Bay, Carolina, Atlanta, New Orleans, Tennessee, Houston
Central - Minnesota, Green Bay, Chicago, Detroit, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Indianapolis, St Louis
*teams like Dallas, Kansas City, St Louis, & Tennessee could realistically fit in to more than one division
The less divisions there are, the less likely it will be to have teams that dont deserve a spot get in. It also prevents superior teams from having to go on the road in the opening round.
This year it would have looked like this in a 14 team format:
Bye: #2 Denver, #1 Seattle
#14 Baltimore @ #3 Carolina
#13 Green Bay @ # 4 New England
#12 San Diego @ # 5 San Francisco
#11 Arizona @ #6 Cincinnati
#10 Philadelphia @ #7 Indianapolis
#9 Kansas City @ # 8 New Orleans
In a traditional 12 team format Baltimore and Green Bay would have been left out.
With an 18 game schedule, each team could play a home and home with the 7 other teams in their division (14 games), then play the last 4 against 1/2 of another division. Then the following year they could play the other 4 and rotate divisions each season. I think this kind of system could make for some pretty compelling matchups during both the regular season and the playoffs.
Those hypothetical divisions look very reasonable. Sure, it would take some getting used to... but no more so than the last change.
But as a general idea of expanding the playoffs = NO!!
One of the reasons I don't like the NBA is because half of the league make the playoffs. Whoopeeee. Gee... I wonder who is gonna make it and who doesn't have a chance.
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Those hypothetical divisions look very reasonable. Sure, it would take some getting used to... but no more so than the last change.
But as a general idea of expanding the playoffs = NO!!
One of the reasons I don't like the NBA is because half of the league make the playoffs. Whoopeeee. Gee... I wonder who is gonna make it and who doesn't have a chance.
Im not a huge fan of expanding the playoffs either, though I could stomach 7 teams a hell of a lot better than 8. Each of the hypothetical alignments above each have their advantages. Option 1 allows for the preservation of all league rivalries while Option 2 cuts down on travel costs and would more often than not benefit teams playing the Thursday night game.
On a separate note, im really sick of the media whining about how Marshawn Lynch isnt talking. Hey numbnuts, its not his job to do yours, despite what the league may think. If he doesnt want to talk then he doesnt have to talk. Leave the guy alone. Some people are made for a podium and some people arent.
Rams owner bought 60 acres in LA apparently. There is a clause in the Rams agreement with the Edward Jones Dome that if necessary upgrades werent made to make the arena one of the 8 best in the league then the lease would be on a year to year basis beginning in 2015. The two sides have been going back and forth for some time now, finding themselves nearly 600 million apart in their renovation proposals. The case was even presented to an arbiter who ruled in the Rams favor. Seems like the writing could be on the wall here.
Didn't they leave the city under some sort of cloud before heading to St Louis.
Also whats the mechanics of the move process. Are they allowed to just up sticks and move where ever they want? Or does the Legaue have some say in where they end up?
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Didn't they leave the city under some sort of cloud before heading to St Louis.
Also whats the mechanics of the move process. Are they allowed to just up sticks and move where ever they want? Or does the Legaue have some say in where they end up?
1) yes they did
2) all sorts of red tape and hoops to jump through. Then of course theyd need a stadium so this move is a realistic 3-5 years away
3) the team would need approval from all 31 teams to make the move
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Honestly, it's not hard to tell the difference.
son of a *****. I'm voting that in when it comes up in Michigan.
We're going to the Super Bowl next year!
...though, We've just been having the whole medicinal issues since 3 years ago or so. So maybe we've been doomed all along
Knowing or not knowing the rules of a sport has no bearing on whether or not you enjoy watching it or can watch it. I regularly go watch the local hockey team, and even though I only know maybe half the rules of the game it doesn't take anything away from the enjoyment I experience going to the game. Additionally, enjoying sporting events is about much more than just what's going on on the filed of play. You feel the refs did a poor job, myself and others do not, it's ok to have a difference of opinion. To suggest, as you did, that that means we don't understand the game and/or should stop watching is ludicrous. Get over yourself.
And if this just happened this one time, I would admittedly be frustrated, but would have blown it off by now. Poor officiating directly impacted the end result of many, many football games this year. Far more than I recall compared to other years. Officiating in the NFL is poor, and something needs to be done. Are my ideas bad? Maybe. But something has to be corrected, because the general NFL fanbase dissatisfaction with the officiating crew this year was/is much higher than it has been in recent years.
I disagree. I think fans THINK its worse for 2 reasons: 1) The NFL has implemented far too many absurd rule changes 2) The referee strike from a year ago has us scrutinizing every call far more than we did before said strike.
540 Peasant cube- Gold EditionSomething SpicySame as every other rule change and/or idea Roger Goodell has had. Stupid.
Most of the time it is just a kick at goal (think conversion in Rugby) for a single point or you can run a normal play and attempt to get the ball across the goal line again for 2 points.
It has gotten to the stage that a kick at goal is pretty much automatic with the only uncertainty being when a team attempts to go for 2, which doesn't happen that much.
- H.L Mencken
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Even if we on the sidelines beleive that a proposed rules change is stupid and would just make the game worse they still have duty to investigate it and do the due deligence before rejecting it.
- H.L Mencken
I Became insane with long Intervals of horrible Sanity
All Religion, my friend is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination and poetry.
- Edgar Allan Poe
The Crafters' Rules Guru
A kicker who is 40/40 on extra points at the end of the year would actually be able to say it was an accomplishment.
I agree with Belichick (I know shocker LMAO) when he said the extra point is a nonplay. He said this when they essentially took away kickoffs making them a nonplay especially in places like Denver. Take nonplays out of the game. Either make it an automatic 7 points with the option to get 8 at the risk of only getting 6...or make it a play.
Start the season a week later and add another bye week for everyone. This will allow players to heal from injuries more. The season will extend two weeks further into February. Now the Super Bowl would be on the Sunday before President's Day giving many people in the USA anyway the day after off (something alot of people complain about when wanting it Saturday instead).
Indeed!
The Super Bowl is played at a reasonable time on the regular day for NFL games. The game itself is usually over at a reasonable time, but even with the extended halftime, all the post game reactions, interviews, analysis, etc. I don't think it lasts too late for someone to get to bed and still make it to work each morning.
Heck, I work third shift and have yet to be late to work because of the Super Bowl. Of course, last year I definitely cut it close due to the extended stadium black-out...
The only people who want it on Saturday are those who only care about football on this particular day because of the party and are just "watching" the game mainly for the commercials; they couldn't care less about the actual game or its outcome. In other words, those who get wasted and are hungover on Monday; those who want to continue the party long after the game is finished.
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I agree with your original contention.....its stupid. They chose to play a SB in Jersey in February. Now lie in the bed you made. My previous response was addressing Whitemages post to completely rearrange the NFL schedule
I'd rather everything just stay the same like the rest of here, but that'd be the only thing I'd be okay with as far as appeasing the casuals and corporates.
Im torn on the 18 game idea. There are parts of the idea I like and then others I dont. Adding a 2nd bye week here would be a must. Reducing the number of preseason games is a must also. Increasing roster size from 53 players to whatever number they deem appropriate would also be a necessity. I DO NOT want to see an increase in the number of teams that make the playoffs however, unless they realign the divisions so that 10 or 11 win teams arent left out while 7/8/9 win teams get in. They could leave current divisions as is and just combine the AFC with their NFC counterparts:
North - Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Green Bay, Detroit, Minnesota, Chicago
South - Jacksonville, Indianapolis, Tennessee, Houston, New Orleans, Atlanta, Tampa Bay, Carolina
West - Denver, San Diego, Kansas City, Oakland, Seattle, San Francisco, Arizona, St. Louis
or go a more regional route:
West - Oakland, Denver, San Diego, Seattle, San Francisco, Arizona, Dallas Kansas City
South - Miami, Jacksonville, Tampa Bay, Carolina, Atlanta, New Orleans, Tennessee, Houston
Central - Minnesota, Green Bay, Chicago, Detroit, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Indianapolis, St Louis
*teams like Dallas, Kansas City, St Louis, & Tennessee could realistically fit in to more than one division
The less divisions there are, the less likely it will be to have teams that dont deserve a spot get in. It also prevents superior teams from having to go on the road in the opening round.
This year it would have looked like this in a 14 team format:
#14 Baltimore @ #3 Carolina
#13 Green Bay @ # 4 New England
#12 San Diego @ # 5 San Francisco
#11 Arizona @ #6 Cincinnati
#10 Philadelphia @ #7 Indianapolis
#9 Kansas City @ # 8 New Orleans
In a traditional 12 team format Baltimore and Green Bay would have been left out.
With an 18 game schedule, each team could play a home and home with the 7 other teams in their division (14 games), then play the last 4 against 1/2 of another division. Then the following year they could play the other 4 and rotate divisions each season. I think this kind of system could make for some pretty compelling matchups during both the regular season and the playoffs.
Those hypothetical divisions look very reasonable. Sure, it would take some getting used to... but no more so than the last change.
But as a general idea of expanding the playoffs = NO!!
One of the reasons I don't like the NBA is because half of the league make the playoffs. Whoopeeee. Gee... I wonder who is gonna make it and who doesn't have a chance.
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Im not a huge fan of expanding the playoffs either, though I could stomach 7 teams a hell of a lot better than 8. Each of the hypothetical alignments above each have their advantages. Option 1 allows for the preservation of all league rivalries while Option 2 cuts down on travel costs and would more often than not benefit teams playing the Thursday night game.
On a separate note, im really sick of the media whining about how Marshawn Lynch isnt talking. Hey numbnuts, its not his job to do yours, despite what the league may think. If he doesnt want to talk then he doesnt have to talk. Leave the guy alone. Some people are made for a podium and some people arent.
Didn't they leave the city under some sort of cloud before heading to St Louis.
Also whats the mechanics of the move process. Are they allowed to just up sticks and move where ever they want? Or does the Legaue have some say in where they end up?
- H.L Mencken
I Became insane with long Intervals of horrible Sanity
All Religion, my friend is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination and poetry.
- Edgar Allan Poe
The Crafters' Rules Guru
1) yes they did
2) all sorts of red tape and hoops to jump through. Then of course theyd need a stadium so this move is a realistic 3-5 years away
3) the team would need approval from all 31 teams to make the move