You'd be amazed. He actually has a handful of decent songs. I mean, relative to his collection (probably upward of 1,000 songs by now, even I won't try and delve into most of that), the good music is probably less than 1%, but there's still probably two normal-human-being album's worth of good music.
I'm pretty sure that his bad stuff is deliberate, in his interviews he lets on that he's a smart cat with varied taste in music, and a taste for modernist and postmodern poetry.
My favorite song of his is "Realest Alive." I know he's got some real, inspirational stuff out there for sure. But it's just kind of sad when you realize only a small percentage of his work fits that description because of his own choosing.
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My favorite song of his is "Realest Alive." I know he's got some real, inspirational stuff out there for sure. But it's just kind of sad when you realize only a small percentage of his work fits that description because of his own choosing.
I take the good with the bad. I would prefer if he exclusively made exacting, quality music- but that might not be how he works. Maybe he only stays positive by not keeping up the high standards of say- Kanye West.
Some more poison for those of us waiting for Despot to FINALLY RELEASE A ****ING ALBUM, here's a song he did with Ratatat a while back. Only a minute 40 seconds, but it's a damn good minute forty.
First and only song I heard from Lil B was Wonton Soup, obviously I was just like "what the **** is this ****? People are hyping this?", and passed. Appreciate that he has some good **** like Motivation and others that you guys mentioned. Gonna grab God's Father now.
Also, that Despot + Ratatat is hot. Has he mentioned anything about an album recently or anything?
The closest thing he's had to talking about an album. He mentioned that he recorded some songs with Action Bronson and Alchemist, which would be the best New York Rap Album in ages. But he said that they kinda said **** it and it's just a bunch of singles they might not release.
I think he genuinely doesn't want to release an album.
EDIT:
Earl and Gambino! Song is old, but I just found it. It's not bad, Earl's first verse is by far the best part, Gambino kinda disappointed, if you ask me.
Blu is underground, probably along the lines you're looking for.
Kendrick Lamar is (usually) really good about emphasizing lyrics and meaning.
Macklemore makes really good music, and with pretty much one exception (Thrift Shop), he's an underground artist with conscious tendencies.
Not to be offensively trash talking yo' boys, but I heard them on SNL recenlt. I was not impressed at all. Macklemore looked like a modern day Vanilla Ice w/ that fade of his. Their music sounded a lot like today's bad hip-hop, which uses auto-tune (which is a blasphemous act in itself)... Today's hip-hop has no soul. It's just wants to sound like the next guy & get club play.
It's the sad truth - hip-hop will never have the creativity to bubble up from the muck. The underground will stay subliminal, floating below the radar because creativity takes a back pocket ride to what brings in the money.
When I am proven wrong, I will admit that hip-hop ain't dead... but the sad fact is that it is.
Oh, & here's one of the best freestyle I have heard in a while... really entertainment & creative. Sage Francis, "Rapping w/ Apathy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seLTRcnLf4o
Not to be offensively trash talking yo' boys, but I heard them on SNL recenlt. I was not impressed at all. Macklemore looked like a modern day Vanilla Ice w/ that fade of his. Their music sounded a lot like today's bad hip-hop, which uses auto-tune (which is a blasphemous act in itself)... Today's hip-hop has no soul. It's just wants to sound like the next guy & get club play.
It's the sad truth - hip-hop will never have the creativity to bubble up from the muck. The underground will stay subliminal, floating below the radar because creativity takes a back pocket ride to what brings in the money.
When I am proven wrong, I will admit that hip-hop ain't dead... but the sad fact is that it is.
Oh, & here's one of the best freestyle I have heard in a while... really entertainment & creative. Sage Francis, "Rapping w/ Apathy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seLTRcnLf4o
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But for real, Macklemore is pretty far from a mainstream rapper. Everybody knows his song Thrift Shop these days, but other than that. He's rapped about Addiction to Codeine, Gay Rights, Consumerism (including how it's been a part of his life), Baseball, relapsing, and a lot more. He mostly talks about his part in modern issues, and of course there's some **** just for fun. I don't know how you can hate on his SNL set, which was "Can't Hold Us," (every rapper ever has an uptempo victory lap song, and he does it without any dumb brags), and "Thrift Shop," which was a joke song that somehow became a hit. He raps about walking around in clothes that smell like piss. I don't see how that's mainstream.
I just disagree with you about creativity never bubbling up to the surface. Macklemore hit #2 on the charts with an independently released album, that includes pro-gay message, somber discussion of alcoholism, admitting to relapsing, talking about not wearing jordans because of the violence around them, and hating on record labels ("Would rather be a starving artist/Than succeed in getting ****ed). He's indie, and he made it big with energy, and some fun ****. Lyricism is still key, and he doesn't ride on hooks like other rappers.
Another example of creativity being popular is Killer Mike. Political southern rap over beats by El-P of "Indie as ****" fame, considered a classic by pretty much anyone who listens to hip-hop as more than swagfag bull****.
****, I need to stop writing essays and ****. I mean, I'm all about indie hip-hop. B. Dolan, Sage Francis, Kristoff Krane, Sadistik, it's all good ****, but saying that "all mainstream (popular) hip-hop sucks!" is the same **** as people saying that "All hip-hop is misogynistic and thuggish, with no lyricism or musicality!" It's all ignorance that serves more to stifle the genre than advance it.
Essay over. Waiting eagerly for Kid Cudi's new album, comes out next month.
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Wait, the guy repping Atmosphere and Sage Francis is talking about how wack Macklemore is? This thread just got weeeiiiirrddd.
So in a world where the two hottest rappers are Macklemore and Kendrick Lamar, hip-hop is dead, without lyricism, and only full of Sell-outs. I don't get it man, what more do you want, man? Mos Def's album to drop? I could make a comprehensive list of the good stuff from the last two years(or even every year since Atmosphere has release something worth listening to). But i'm too busy listening to some Action Bronson.
I had something to say about Lil B and a theory behind the bad release, but I'm just so confused from all this talk about Macklemore being a sell-out with no lyricism.
The closest thing he's had to talking about an album. He mentioned that he recorded some songs with Action Bronson and Alchemist, which would be the best New York Rap Album in ages. But he said that they kinda said **** it and it's just a bunch of singles they might not release.
I think he genuinely doesn't want to release an album.
EDIT:
Earl and Gambino! Song is old, but I just found it. It's not bad, Earl's first verse is by far the best part, Gambino kinda disappointed, if you ask me.
Gambino disappoints me now in general. I have lost really all interest I had in him after Royalty.
Also, I'd say Macklemore is just about as mainstream as a non-Young Money rapper could get. He and Hoodie Allen are every girl's favorite new white rappers. I've heard Macklemore in like four different commercials in the past month.
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Tripped across the Underachievers, really like them. They're part of the same group of New-York stoners as Pro Era, Flatbush Zombies and FlyLo. Aesthetically, they've got a really similar style to ASAP Rocky, but with the lyricism and intensity of some of the guys in Pro Era. It's good stuff, really different perspective from a lot of hip-hop.
Despot is working on his new album, he's been doing almost nothing but writing songs and tweeting since SXSW started, and he's hoping to finally make his debut.
We're getting close to the release of Tyler's "WOLF," which will probably make or break my opinion of him moving forward. It'll probably either renew interest in his production and presentation, or resign him to horrorcore diehards.
I forgot about the Underachievers... I've only seen their video for So Devilish when it first came out, liked it a lot but never got around to picking up their tape (if they have one?) unfortunately.
Agree with Tyler. Love him, but at this point Wolf could be just "meh just because I can" **** or it could be Bastard. I'll stay positive about it till it's released. haha
So, I know this is hip hop and not RnB, but I've seriously been listening to RnB like made lately.Went back and downloaded The-Dream's Love King, and I recently(and finally) picked up Take Care and have been jamming both records non-stop and threw in a playlist with Weeknd, Xander The Great and Frank Ocean. Made sexiness playlist. I definitely need to pick up Autre Ne Veut and Justin Timberlake's new record.
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In actual rap news, curren$y put out something new recently.
Are you talking about 'The Stoned Immaculate' or is there something newer? That's kind of exciting since i really enjoyed Pilot Talk I&II and was really disappointed with Stoned.
Tripped across the Underachievers, really like them. They're part of the same group of New-York stoners as Pro Era, Flatbush Zombies and FlyLo. Aesthetically, they've got a really similar style to ASAP Rocky, but with the lyricism and intensity of some of the guys in Pro Era. It's good stuff, really different perspective from a lot of hip-hop.
Despot is working on his new album, he's been doing almost nothing but writing songs and tweeting since SXSW started, and he's hoping to finally make his debut.
We're getting close to the release of Tyler's "WOLF," which will probably make or break my opinion of him moving forward. It'll probably either renew interest in his production and presentation, or resign him to horrorcore diehards.
Just thought I'd note that while the underachievers and flatbush zombies associate, neither are really associated with ProEra. And FlyLo is from LA.
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Wolf is the final make or break for me with OF. Volume 2 sucked, numbers sucked and even domo's latest album sucked (good production though). Hopefully "Cowboy" is as good as tyler hyped it. We will see I guess.
It's all Beast Coast to me (since all three groups drop it in their tracks and mention each other in interviews). Even though FlyLo is from LA, he does a lot of production for a lot of those guys, esp. Underachievers. But yeah, I was mistaken, hats off to people who actually deal with facts.
It was a 6/10 for me. Probably 6 songs I liked. Meh. Tyler needs to stop rapping about teenage girl crushes and weed, considering he doesn't do it and even though he tries to mock it, it doesn't come off well.
I give it 9/10 and expect it to continue to be criminally underrated by people who wanted something that sounded closer to Goblin or even Bastard. This is the natural progression of things.
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Album was so ridiculously inconsistent. Sometimes the production was really slick, complex, and interesting then on other songs it'd go back to the minimalist and boring stuff we are accustomed to from OF. The songs that have BBNG on them are pretty good usually The lyrical content and flow was where I have a tough time really judging it. Kpaca implied it wasn't close to Goblin or Bastard lyrically and that the people disappointed by it are wanting something like those, and Tyler stated it was gonna be nothing like those two because he grew up and he can't right the same ****, and that it was gonna have a lot less rap on it in general and be closer to "weird hippie music people get high to". But I have to disagree on both counts. It's chalk full of bars that would of fit fine on Goblin/Bastard and I definitely found myself shaking my head and being like "man, the Goblin kids are gonna love this song". I was much more excited for something that would of been closer to what he described. The songs that were least like his previous work and were independent of his silly story were the best songs on the album and those were few and far between. The trouble judging it comes from, that while the Goblin-esque songs don't appeal to me personally aren't terrible(you can't judge artistic merit) and honestly his flow is better when he is doing stuff like his old stuff versus the songs that more appealed to me.
I tried typing some **** then Salvation ate it. So here's the quickest version I can give:
It doesn't punish the listener with egregious rape fantasies, a seemingly endless cycle of snares, and almost excessively dark hooks.
Tyler isn't as impassioned, which works well. It adds variety to the tone of the songs. Admittedly, there's some filler. But between Slater, Cowboy, and Collossus, he does as much with the production, lyrics and content in three songs as he did in his previous two albums.
The production is way better, this his first two albums, by and large, pale in comparison. It's more varied, more fitting (rather than just a bottomless well of intensity), and benefits greatly from BBNG being around.
48 is amazing, Tyler's verses are solid, the hook is perfect, the structure is flawless, I'll be disappointed if it doesn't see some much deserved radio play.
Answer has as much honesty and vitriol as "goblin" and "bastard" put together (the songs, not the albums), but true to the form of this album, the sound is as laid back as he's ever sounded. Probably my favorite song by him.
It's my favorite album by him. Even if there's filler, there's less filler than on Goblin, and especially less filler than on Bastard.
Been listening to it at work; played through a handful of times now. I like it. It's on par with his other albums, if not a bit better. I don't really have any specifics or anything, terrible with 'reviewing' shiz. haha
I have to skip 'Pigs' every time though, I live right next to a hospital, I get all the sirens I can handle. haha
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I take the good with the bad. I would prefer if he exclusively made exacting, quality music- but that might not be how he works. Maybe he only stays positive by not keeping up the high standards of say- Kanye West.
Some more poison for those of us waiting for Despot to FINALLY RELEASE A ****ING ALBUM, here's a song he did with Ratatat a while back. Only a minute 40 seconds, but it's a damn good minute forty.
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Also, that Despot + Ratatat is hot. Has he mentioned anything about an album recently or anything?
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I think he genuinely doesn't want to release an album.
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Not to be offensively trash talking yo' boys, but I heard them on SNL recenlt. I was not impressed at all. Macklemore looked like a modern day Vanilla Ice w/ that fade of his. Their music sounded a lot like today's bad hip-hop, which uses auto-tune (which is a blasphemous act in itself)... Today's hip-hop has no soul. It's just wants to sound like the next guy & get club play.
If you already haven't heard "Your Glass House" from Atmosphere, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s5wPO-QcVw
It's the sad truth - hip-hop will never have the creativity to bubble up from the muck. The underground will stay subliminal, floating below the radar because creativity takes a back pocket ride to what brings in the money.
When I am proven wrong, I will admit that hip-hop ain't dead... but the sad fact is that it is.
Oh, & here's one of the best freestyle I have heard in a while... really entertainment & creative. Sage Francis, "Rapping w/ Apathy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seLTRcnLf4o
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But for real, Macklemore is pretty far from a mainstream rapper. Everybody knows his song Thrift Shop these days, but other than that. He's rapped about Addiction to Codeine, Gay Rights, Consumerism (including how it's been a part of his life), Baseball, relapsing, and a lot more. He mostly talks about his part in modern issues, and of course there's some **** just for fun. I don't know how you can hate on his SNL set, which was "Can't Hold Us," (every rapper ever has an uptempo victory lap song, and he does it without any dumb brags), and "Thrift Shop," which was a joke song that somehow became a hit. He raps about walking around in clothes that smell like piss. I don't see how that's mainstream.
I just disagree with you about creativity never bubbling up to the surface. Macklemore hit #2 on the charts with an independently released album, that includes pro-gay message, somber discussion of alcoholism, admitting to relapsing, talking about not wearing jordans because of the violence around them, and hating on record labels ("Would rather be a starving artist/Than succeed in getting ****ed). He's indie, and he made it big with energy, and some fun ****. Lyricism is still key, and he doesn't ride on hooks like other rappers.
Another example of creativity being popular is Killer Mike. Political southern rap over beats by El-P of "Indie as ****" fame, considered a classic by pretty much anyone who listens to hip-hop as more than swagfag bull****.
****, I need to stop writing essays and ****. I mean, I'm all about indie hip-hop. B. Dolan, Sage Francis, Kristoff Krane, Sadistik, it's all good ****, but saying that "all mainstream (popular) hip-hop sucks!" is the same **** as people saying that "All hip-hop is misogynistic and thuggish, with no lyricism or musicality!" It's all ignorance that serves more to stifle the genre than advance it.
Essay over. Waiting eagerly for Kid Cudi's new album, comes out next month.
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So in a world where the two hottest rappers are Macklemore and Kendrick Lamar, hip-hop is dead, without lyricism, and only full of Sell-outs. I don't get it man, what more do you want, man? Mos Def's album to drop? I could make a comprehensive list of the good stuff from the last two years(or even every year since Atmosphere has release something worth listening to). But i'm too busy listening to some Action Bronson.
I had something to say about Lil B and a theory behind the bad release, but I'm just so confused from all this talk about Macklemore being a sell-out with no lyricism.
Also, I'd say Macklemore is just about as mainstream as a non-Young Money rapper could get. He and Hoodie Allen are every girl's favorite new white rappers. I've heard Macklemore in like four different commercials in the past month.
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Tripped across the Underachievers, really like them. They're part of the same group of New-York stoners as Pro Era, Flatbush Zombies and FlyLo. Aesthetically, they've got a really similar style to ASAP Rocky, but with the lyricism and intensity of some of the guys in Pro Era. It's good stuff, really different perspective from a lot of hip-hop.
Despot is working on his new album, he's been doing almost nothing but writing songs and tweeting since SXSW started, and he's hoping to finally make his debut.
We're getting close to the release of Tyler's "WOLF," which will probably make or break my opinion of him moving forward. It'll probably either renew interest in his production and presentation, or resign him to horrorcore diehards.
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Agree with Tyler. Love him, but at this point Wolf could be just "meh just because I can" **** or it could be Bastard. I'll stay positive about it till it's released. haha
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Are you talking about 'The Stoned Immaculate' or is there something newer? That's kind of exciting since i really enjoyed Pilot Talk I&II and was really disappointed with Stoned.
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Just thought I'd note that while the underachievers and flatbush zombies associate, neither are really associated with ProEra. And FlyLo is from LA.
kpaca is right.
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It's all Beast Coast to me (since all three groups drop it in their tracks and mention each other in interviews). Even though FlyLo is from LA, he does a lot of production for a lot of those guys, esp. Underachievers. But yeah, I was mistaken, hats off to people who actually deal with facts.
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I'm going to give Tyler the Creator a listen here. I have the new album, 'Wolf' ready to play.
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Vol 2 was bad(oldie was good), but I did like Hodgy and Domo's newest efforts.
Edit: I'm through track 15 and I can safely say it's average. Probably won't be one of the best rap albums out this year.
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It doesn't punish the listener with egregious rape fantasies, a seemingly endless cycle of snares, and almost excessively dark hooks.
Tyler isn't as impassioned, which works well. It adds variety to the tone of the songs. Admittedly, there's some filler. But between Slater, Cowboy, and Collossus, he does as much with the production, lyrics and content in three songs as he did in his previous two albums.
The production is way better, this his first two albums, by and large, pale in comparison. It's more varied, more fitting (rather than just a bottomless well of intensity), and benefits greatly from BBNG being around.
48 is amazing, Tyler's verses are solid, the hook is perfect, the structure is flawless, I'll be disappointed if it doesn't see some much deserved radio play.
Answer has as much honesty and vitriol as "goblin" and "bastard" put together (the songs, not the albums), but true to the form of this album, the sound is as laid back as he's ever sounded. Probably my favorite song by him.
It's my favorite album by him. Even if there's filler, there's less filler than on Goblin, and especially less filler than on Bastard.
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I have to skip 'Pigs' every time though, I live right next to a hospital, I get all the sirens I can handle. haha
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