I hate to say it, Puddle Jumper, but you've actually established yourself as completely unworthy as respect in the current discussion. You propped forth an unpopular opinion (among this current group) and have given no particular backup or reasoning for this opinion, then asked others to change your mind. The topic in question that you're asking for us to address is far too broad to respond to in any reasonable amount of time, has absolutely no context whatsoever, and has a significant disconnect from what you're asking and what you're saying.
If you are asking what positive effects gaming has on the player, you've been given quite a list to work from.
If you are asking us to convince you that gaming is worth your time and respect, you should probably just bow out of the conversation at this point. That request is simply trapping anyone who responds to you. We can give you our answers until we're blue in the face, but until you actually tell us why you hold your opinion, there's nothing for us to say. You say that you think video game companies are trying to make us spend a lot of time on video games and are making us devalue our time, but you have given us absolutely no reasoning to back that up. You think gaming is considered an illegitimate thing, but you don't really explain why, and you are (given that you apparently play Magic: the Gathering given your presence on this site) a gamer and you're in the company of gamers.
YOU are the one with this paper, not us. If you'd like assistance in writing it and need help supporting your theories, I'm sure a lot of us are definitely willing to help. But I'll speak for myself when I say that I don't want to write the paper for you, and I also don't feel that people who enjoy video games should have to justify that enjoyment. If there's a case to be made, it's on you, the person writing the paper and taking that position, to make your case FIRST. Then your target audience, debate partner, or whoever else can actually address it.
I hate to say it, Puddle Jumper, but you've actually established yourself as completely unworthy as respect in the current discussion. You propped forth an unpopular opinion (among this current group) and have given no particular backup or reasoning for this opinion, then asked others to change your mind. The topic in question that you're asking for us to address is far too broad to respond to in any reasonable amount of time, has absolutely no context whatsoever, and has a significant disconnect from what you're asking and what you're saying.
If you are asking what positive effects gaming has on the player, you've been given quite a list to work from.
If you are asking us to convince you that gaming is worth your time and respect, you should probably just bow out of the conversation at this point. That request is simply trapping anyone who responds to you. We can give you our answers until we're blue in the face, but until you actually tell us why you hold your opinion, there's nothing for us to say. You say that you think video game companies are trying to make us spend a lot of time on video games and are making us devalue our time, but you have given us absolutely no reasoning to back that up. You think gaming is considered an illegitimate thing, but you don't really explain why, and you are (given that you apparently play Magic: the Gathering given your presence on this site) a gamer and you're in the company of gamers.
YOU are the one with this paper, not us. If you'd like assistance in writing it and need help supporting your theories, I'm sure a lot of us are definitely willing to help. But I'll speak for myself when I say that I don't want to write the paper for you, and I also don't feel that people who enjoy video games should have to justify that enjoyment. If there's a case to be made, it's on you, the person writing the paper and taking that position, to make your case FIRST. Then your target audience, debate partner, or whoever else can actually address it.
I'm sorry if I gave the impression that I don't think your input is enough, or that I haven't done my own research. I was just conscious of the possibility of coming across as a troll. I didn't want anyone to think I was trying to start any kind of drama here by coming across as thinking that gaming deserves the villification it gets. That is actively the opposite of what I'm trying to so. I was just looking for the sort of sources that a gamer would consider important to include, which you have done, and for which I thank you.
My opinion didn't change, but it didn't need to, as I said earlier. The value of the links and opinions provided is more than sufficient to be able to support the stance I need to.
I'm sorry if I gave the impression that I don't think your input is enough, or that I haven't done my own research. I was just conscious of the possibility of coming across as a troll.
Thing is, that is exactly what you are coming across as.
I didn't want anyone to think I was trying to start any kind of drama here by coming across as thinking that gaming deserves the villification it gets.
Except:
(A) That's what you've been saying, and
(B) I'm not sure that gaming is getting the level of vilification you're describing. Again, I think you're trying to invent controversy where there isn't any.
Puddlejumper, answer a question for me: If you have such a negative opinion of gaming, why are you here? This is a Magic: The Gathering website. Why, if you hold the opinion that gaming is a waste of time, are you on a Magic: The Gathering website?
(A) That's what you've been saying, and
(B) I'm not sure that gaming is getting the level of vilification you're describing. Again, I think you're trying to invent controversy where there isn't any.
Puddlejumper, answer a question for me: If you have such a negative opinion of gaming, why are you here? This is a Magic: The Gathering website. Why, if you hold the opinion that gaming is a waste of time, are you on a Magic: The Gathering website?
A) There is (or ought to be) a difference between thinking something is unhealthy and thinking someone doesn't deserve respect because they do it. I feel like I have maybe not been very clear in delineating which opinions I've mentioned are mine, and which are the prevailing ones I think are born of ignorance, but hopefully this clears it up.
B) I disagree, but you're certainly entitled to that perception. I'm not trying to convince you either way.
My local Magic community produces a lot of law students (about one per year in the 5 or so I've been active), most of whom are doing, or planning on doing, public interest law. That's out of a population not too much higher than 100, accounting for turnover, which is something like 25x the general population.
If you are asking what positive effects gaming has on the player, you've been given quite a list to work from.
If you are asking us to convince you that gaming is worth your time and respect, you should probably just bow out of the conversation at this point. That request is simply trapping anyone who responds to you. We can give you our answers until we're blue in the face, but until you actually tell us why you hold your opinion, there's nothing for us to say. You say that you think video game companies are trying to make us spend a lot of time on video games and are making us devalue our time, but you have given us absolutely no reasoning to back that up. You think gaming is considered an illegitimate thing, but you don't really explain why, and you are (given that you apparently play Magic: the Gathering given your presence on this site) a gamer and you're in the company of gamers.
YOU are the one with this paper, not us. If you'd like assistance in writing it and need help supporting your theories, I'm sure a lot of us are definitely willing to help. But I'll speak for myself when I say that I don't want to write the paper for you, and I also don't feel that people who enjoy video games should have to justify that enjoyment. If there's a case to be made, it's on you, the person writing the paper and taking that position, to make your case FIRST. Then your target audience, debate partner, or whoever else can actually address it.
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I'm sorry if I gave the impression that I don't think your input is enough, or that I haven't done my own research. I was just conscious of the possibility of coming across as a troll. I didn't want anyone to think I was trying to start any kind of drama here by coming across as thinking that gaming deserves the villification it gets. That is actively the opposite of what I'm trying to so. I was just looking for the sort of sources that a gamer would consider important to include, which you have done, and for which I thank you.
My opinion didn't change, but it didn't need to, as I said earlier. The value of the links and opinions provided is more than sufficient to be able to support the stance I need to.
They don't merit any of that. But that doesn't stop it from happening.
Thing is, that is exactly what you are coming across as.
Except:
(A) That's what you've been saying, and
(B) I'm not sure that gaming is getting the level of vilification you're describing. Again, I think you're trying to invent controversy where there isn't any.
Puddlejumper, answer a question for me: If you have such a negative opinion of gaming, why are you here? This is a Magic: The Gathering website. Why, if you hold the opinion that gaming is a waste of time, are you on a Magic: The Gathering website?
A) There is (or ought to be) a difference between thinking something is unhealthy and thinking someone doesn't deserve respect because they do it. I feel like I have maybe not been very clear in delineating which opinions I've mentioned are mine, and which are the prevailing ones I think are born of ignorance, but hopefully this clears it up.
B) I disagree, but you're certainly entitled to that perception. I'm not trying to convince you either way.
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