To soon to tell. With both houses and the Supreme Court all solidly in Republican hands he can do a hell of a lot of damage.
Just think with Roe Vs Wade. Do you really want to go back to the bad old days of backstreet abortionists setting up shop again. AS I guarntee you that even if Abortion get made illegal again the demand for it isn't going to go away.
Add in some of the more recent wins like Marriage equality I can understand why a lot of people are very concerned at the moment.
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Is this surprising? He's a bull**** artist. I guess we'll figure out what his true goals are this year... but they probably all involve himself.
He's got like a 70% falsehood rate on politifact (helpfully linked in my signature for up to the minute fact checking) so I generally assume he's lying, but he also ran for the most consistently anti-science political party I know about, so in this case I assumed he just hadn't figured out how to read the relevant reports.
But yeah, knowing his policies will **** over the innocent and going about them anyway is pretty in-character for this guy.
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Yeah nah, clean up your own messes before you wander over here.
I tried cleaning up my own mess. I got cockblocked by the rest of the country. Now we have the antithesis of the American Dream in office. In other words: I'm bailing.
This is perhaps the saddest aspect of Trump's election. We, as a species, can survive war, social strife, oppressive regimes, etc. We cannot survive the catastrophic climate change that will come if we don't work to repair the damage we've done to the environment.
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Certain people, maybe. Lots of them were viscerally upset when Obama got elected too. The difference is which people are outraged, and why. Outrage is of a different character when it’s about Obama’s race/heritage, or about Clinton being in politics long enough to have made mistakes. This is outrage that someone who has promised to deport people and ban a religion from entering the US, all against our Constitution mind you, would end up with the Presidency.
2-just how bad (if bad at all) will Trump be for America? or are people just over reacting?
A country that has always been about immigration will now shut its doors to immigrants. A country who has spearheaded free trade and Globalization will now raise its tariffs and bully international companies. A country that has upheld Pax Americana in the world for over 50 years will now become isolationist.
The streets of the US won’t start looking like the slums of India and Brazil, but in those ways, the “America” we know will be lost. It will be a disaster for actual “America”, in pursuit of a fantasy “America” more in line with the views of hateful individuals.
3-What kind of impact will this have on Canada, if any?
If Trump and the Republican federal lawmakers have their way, NAFTA will either be repealed or melt away. Expect a lot of amenities to get more expensive if that happens. Also, NATO would be soon to follow, to hear them tell it. That means that Russia, China, etc, will start to test the resolve of the NATO member nations, Canada included. Those countries might have to invest in more military. There might be small scale military conflicts in the mold of Crimea, the Falklands war, and the conflicts in the Balkans.
The US will probably just stand by, and the rival countries will know that all we’ll do is stand by. Who knows how bad it might get.
4-is it fair to assume Bernie would have beaten Trump if he had won the DNC?
Would’a, should’a, could’a. More relevantly, the Democratic party as constituted around its current leaders has lost the presidency, congress, and the senate. More than that, the issues were set up so cleanly black and white that it had their constituency convinced that a victory was automatic. So, there is no amount of sharpening the message, running a better campaign, or in any other way continuing down the same path that will offer any promise for Dems in the future.
I don’t expect any amount of outcry like “isn’t it time for a woman president?” in the future. I don’t think they will be able to continue on a platform of championing minority interests, and holding out advancement of gender/race/sexual orientation as success, in itself. Somebody is going to have to pander to the disenfranchised, majority White vote. Bernie Sanders did that well, especially among the young, college-educated White. Hillary could never quite shake the persona that stronger minority demographics and historical gender milestones are the most meaningful touchstones for progress. Not enough of the majority agree with that sentiment, evidently.
Maybe we need to form an underground railroad to Canada; in all seriousness. Sometimes the moral imperative supersedes the law.
I agree there is a moral imperative to deport anyone stupid enough to spew this "My side lost the election I'm moving to another country" BS
To soon to tell. With both houses and the Supreme Court all solidly in Republican hands he can do a hell of a lot of damage.
You mean like the return of free speech to college campuses? Or due process/fundamental fairness for males accused of crimes by females. Ya, I have high hopes of doing a lot of damage!
Minorities and women have it better then they ever have in human history (ironically due to enlightenment ideals, capitalism, and limited government-ideas championed by white males), and it's only going to get better for them and if you guys had not fully bought into the white male hating cult of "Social Justice" you would realize how silly your comments are.
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I just hope Trump does exactly what people expect him to do; not follow up with his insane promises. It really hurts when people actually try to defend the "wall". If he does this, I actually think it might not be terrible.
To soon to tell. With both houses and the Supreme Court all solidly in Republican hands he can do a hell of a lot of damage.
Just think with Roe Vs Wade. Do you really want to go back to the bad old days of backstreet abortionists setting up shop again. AS I guarntee you that even if Abortion get made illegal again the demand for it isn't going to go away.
Add in some of the more recent wins like Marriage equality I can understand why a lot of people are very concerned at the moment.
People were saying that a lot of people even his own party were opposed to him and might go against him but maybe he does have too much power due to everything being Republican.
I mean I feel his views on marriage equality are a bit regressive, I will give people opposed to him that
It must be a frustrating loss for Hillary considering she won the popular vote. The Electoral Collage needs to go, it's a joke. I understand that people are worried that without it, everyone outside of NY and LA would lose their voice. But how is it fair to make coastal people's vote count for less simply because they live in a higher densely populated area?
Except that all Trump would have to say is "socialist" and everyone over the age of 55 wouldn't vote for Sanders. The people who won the election for Trump are white males with no college education who work blue-collar jobs. You think they want a "socialist"?
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You don't call "dying to removal" if the removal is more expensive in resources than the creature. If you have to spend BG (Abrupt Decay), or W + basic land (PtE) to remove a 1G, that is not "dying to removal". Strictly speaking Goyf dies to removal, but actually your removal is dying to Goyf.
I'm terrified and sick to my stomach. If you aren't, please consider helping those who are: if you believe in your candidate, now's the time to explain it kindly and firmly and heal the nation. If you'd prefer to cackle and celebrate misery, consider what in life made you this way and check if you are in fact a bad person.
It must be a frustrating loss for Hillary considering she won the popular vote. The Electoral Collage needs to go, it's a joke. I understand that people are worried that without it, everyone outside of NY and LA would lose their voice. But how is it fair to make coastal people's vote count for less simply because they live in a higher densely populated area?
I don't really understand how the system works (but I plan on researching it to understand it) but you're not the first person I've seen say that it needs to go
I'm terrified and sick to my stomach. If you aren't, please consider helping those who are: if you believe in your candidate, now's the time to explain it kindly and firmly and heal the nation. If you'd prefer to cackle and celebrate misery, consider what in life made you this way and check if you are in fact a bad person.
I think a lot of people find his election disgusting, even as a Canadian (with a few Magic pros on facebook), I've seen a lot of disgust about it
Or due process/fundamental fairness for males accused of crimes by females. Ya, I have high hopes of doing a lot of damage!
Donald Trump admitted to sexually harassing women, was publicly accused of sexual harassment by multiple women, publicly responded to those women saying many were too ugly for him to even consider harassing, was accused of raping a thirteen year old girl, vowed to legally destroy anyone who accused him of harassment/rape, and then won the presidency.
What kind of fantasy world do you live in where accusations of sexual harassment actually slow careers in any statistically noticeable way?
Also: Trump was the chosen candidate of the KKK, Stormfront, the American Renaissance et al. People knew that and still voted for him.
This is why I can't take it seriously when people say accusations of racism shouldn't be made because they threaten people.
I am Canadian and I can just say that we are all stunned that Trump managed the win the presidency. No one believed he could pull it off, but he nevertheless proved everyone wrong, including all the so-called experts, the media, the endless polls which predicted that Hillary would win.
To us, this shows that Americans must be truly angry with the current system. So the majority decided to vote for Trump because he promised to change it. However, he could not provide any details as to how he plans to achieve his goals, many of which are ludicrous. I have yet to hear anything credible on his part, most of what he said is provocative and divisive. I predict 4 years of chaos and lots of turmoil on the world economy.
Future will tell, but I can't help to think that his presidency will make George W. Bush's reign appear great in comparison!
I am Canadian and I can just say that we are all stunned that Trump managed the win the presidency. No one believed he could pull it off, but he nevertheless proved everyone wrong, including all the so-called experts, the media, the endless polls which predicted that Hillary would win.
To us, this shows that Americans must be truly angry with the current system. So the majority decided to vote for Trump because he promised to change it. However, he could not provide any details as to how he plans to achieve his goals, many of which are ludicrous. I have yet to hear anything credible on his part, most of what he said is provocative and divisive. I predict 4 years of chaos and lots of turmoil on the world economy.
Future will tell, but I can't help to think that his presidency will make George W. Bush's reign appear great in comparison!
I feel the comparison to George Bush could end up being true, he seems like a similar personality type. Trump kinda seems like a more extreme version of Bush
The thing about Bush was that his natural state of being was inaction, but when provoked to action, he thought with his crotch. It doesn't seem to me that Trump is as inclined to inaction. He basically ran his own campaign. So, he will probably bungle around, probably really bungle a thing or two, but generally be up to something.
It must be a frustrating loss for Hillary considering she won the popular vote. The Electoral Collage needs to go, it's a joke. I understand that people are worried that without it, everyone outside of NY and LA would lose their voice. But how is it fair to make coastal people's vote count for less simply because they live in a higher densely populated area?
I don't really understand how the system works (but I plan on researching it to understand it) but you're not the first person I've seen say that it needs to go
Essentially each of the state gets a number of votes in the electoral college depending on their population (its equal to the number of senators they get)
These are the only people that count when it comes to who gets the presidency, as long as you get 51% of those electoral college votes you are the president.
The issue surrounding it is that most of the states assign their electors to candidates on a winner takes all basis. So for example California has 55 votes in the college, if either candidate gets 51% of there vote they gain all 55 votes.
In theory it is supposed to give the smaller fly over states a bit more importance in the race. In practice it doesn't do that as they are so heavily skewed that under normal circumstance the chance of them flipping colours is close to 0.
An arguement that is usually peddled is that with out the electoral college you only have to concentrate on the large metropolises like New York + LA to win the election. AS I said in my last post the top 100 cities by population only account for 20% of the vote. Good luck getting all of them to vote for you and then getting the rest of the country that you ignored voting for you.
Compare this to possible scenarion laid out in the video I posted where with the current system winning that small fraction of the population would put you in the oval office.
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It all starts with people born in the USA calling themselves "America". You are Americans but you are not "America". America is a continent not a country.
*sigh* You speak Spanish, right? Outside chance of Portuguese?
It's just a language difference. In English we say "North America" and "South America" are continents, and "America" is a country. And by "we" I really do mean English-speakers, not just Americans. Go to Britain or Australia or Canada and ask them what "America" is, and they're not going to say it's a continent either.
In Spanish and Portuguese, you say that "America" is a continent and "Estados Unidos" is a country. You may argue that this is a better system, because it's less ambiguous, but you know what? The formal name of Mexico is "Estados Unidos Mexicanos", so you've got some potential ambiguity this way too. In practice, everybody knows that when you say "Estados Unidos" you mean the USA, and in practice, everybody knows that when we say "America" we mean the USA. The labels are arbitrary, they don't impede communication, and they don't really matter.
Screw the parties. Screw the electoral college. All it does it make us more and more partisan and divided. And no one who's ever in power has any motivation to fix any of it.
I'm not sure the electoral college is at fault here. I mean, yeah it is in the narrow sense that "If we got exactly the same results but didn't have the electoral college, Clinton would be president-elect right now." But if the math had been just a little bit different, Trump might have won the popular vote and Clinton the electoral one, and we'd be thanking our lucky stars that the electoral college existed. So as far as rules go, I see it as equally unfair to both sides.
And I don't see how it drives polarization either.
I feel the comparison to George Bush could end up being true, he seems like a similar personality type. Trump kinda seems like a more extreme version of Bush
Nah. Bush was a true believer. Trump is the opposite of that. About the only things they have in common is that they're both Republicans, both ignorant, and both teetotalers.
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It all starts with people born in the USA calling themselves "America". You are Americans but you are not "America". America is a continent not a country.
Yeah, as bad as it gets in the US, it is at least refreshing to remember that our education system isn’t the unchecked, populist propaganda machine that the education systems are in Latin America.
Really like Blinking Spirit said, that issue is about as simple as potato/potatoe. The name of our country is “The United States of America”. That’s why we’re called “Americans”. It’s not that we think that we own the American continent. If your country thinks we should call ourselves something different, then by all means, export us some movies where people are talking differently. You’ll have to contend with the overwhelming worldwide appeal of the US film industry and our way of speaking, but you’re welcome to try.
Until then, we’re going to call ourselves “Americans”. Nothing you can do about it. We will also probably continue to score higher on actual geography tests as a country, because you know, our education system is about something other than parroting Che Guevara and the rest of the alt-left.
Don't be silly, America isn't a nation or a continent. It's a beer. The US of A seems a little tipsy right now to be honest. The whole Trump win reminds me of a quote from Julius Caesar:
Between the acting of a dreadful thing
And the first motion, all the interim is
Like a phantasma or a hideous dream.
The genius and the mortal instruments
Are then in council, and the state of man,
Like to a little kingdom, suffers then
The nature of an insurrection.
It all starts with people born in the USA calling themselves "America". You are Americans but you are not "America". America is a continent not a country.
Yeah, as bad as it gets in the US, it is at least refreshing to remember that our education system isn’t the unchecked, populist propaganda machine that the education systems are in Latin America.
Really like Blinking Spirit said, that issue is about as simple as potato/potatoe. The name of our country is “The United States of America”. That’s why we’re called “Americans”. It’s not that we think that we own the American continent. If your country thinks we should call ourselves something different, then by all means, export us some movies where people are talking differently. You’ll have to contend with the overwhelming worldwide appeal of the US film industry and our way of speaking, but you’re welcome to try.
Until then, we’re going to call ourselves “Americans”. Nothing you can do about it. We will also probably continue to score higher on actual geography tests as a country, because you know, our education system is about something other than parroting Che Guevara and the rest of the alt-left.
Sorry if i questioned your intelligence but you really are just going down all by yourself. And that's why Trump got there. Your nation is one influenced by racism and violence. And by the context of your comment i can't really see you being more "clever" or "cult" than anyone in my country, or continent.
As Winston Churchill once said: "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else."
PS: Please guys i know this is a forum where citizens of the United States of America are the majority. This isn't against anyone of you personally.
What did the media get the wrong? the polls narrowed after the comey fiasco and were neck and neck at the end of the race. Just the same as the final results...
* FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars' worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal.
* SIXTH, lift the Obama-Clinton roadblocks and allow vital energy infrastructure projects, like the Keystone Pipeline, to move forward
* SEVENTH, cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change programs and use the money to fix America's water and environmental infrastructure
This article is the best explanation I've read thusfar for Trump's success. Particularly eye-opening is a map that shows the 2012 election by county (here's the link) as opposed to by state. It taught me two things I had never realized:
1. Lake Michigan really IS shaped like a dick.
2. I never knew just how prevalent Republican voters really were in this country, and how local to urban areas Democratic support is.
And that really emphasizes one of the biggest problems with EVERYONE'S perception of the election. We wrote off the idea of Trump winning because we severely underestimated both the amount of Republican support in the country and the voting power of middle-class white voters. And indeed, the tendency of people to overlook middle-class white voters was one of the reason those middle-class white voters voted the way they did. People will tend to vote the person who doesn't overlook them, even if that person is horrifying.
I suspect by the next election, Trump support will have died down with a lack of the anti-establishment change desired by his voters and someone moderate who can compromise and therefore get things moving or a left wing candidate promising a different kind of reform will win.
Ok, stop right there.
Implicit in this is that all of the "anti-establishment change desired by [Trump's] voters" will be passed by the end of four years of Trump as president.
So what were Hillary's miscalculations... what did she do wrong?
She was Hillary Clinton. To calculate what she did wrong would start with her tenure as Secretary of State and then proceed in reverse chronological order until you get to the start of her political career. The woman's name is synonymous with lying and corruption, and we all knew it. In a normal election, she'd be the villain. The fact that so many people are reacting to Hillary's loss like Captain America died trying to save Superman who also died is because of who she ran against.
Hillary has had a career of corruption, scandal, and deceit, and she never made it better. Were she running against a normal candidate, she'd have gotten flattened.
But really, Hillary was not the only factor. This election was a perfect storm. We had the people who Hillary ran against, and the fact that only Bernie was a candidate with any chance of winning. Had Joe Biden run? This would be a totally different election.
Then there was the Republican party, which had the opposite problem. SO many candidates ran that for Trump, having both a name people knew and a base of support, which at the time was a minority fraction of the Republican party, was an incredible advantage for him during the first set of primaries. By the time the field dwindled down to sane levels, it was too late. Trump had won too many early contests. There was also the fact that the party favorites going in, Walker, Jeb!, and Rubio, all imploded. Had it been just Trump and an establishment candidate at the start, I do believe the establishment candidate would have won.
Then there was the DNC mismanagement of the Bernie campaign, and the betrayal felt by many because of that. Which would not have been an issue were it not because of the leaked emails. Then there was the public announcement of the reopening of the email investigation, which came at a time when the narrative was very much against Trump.
I mean, there's just so many factors here. And as the above link points out, what you really have to do is break down why Trump had that base of support gravitate toward him in the first place, which means you need to examine the lead up to Trump going into the election and why the Republicans had such a feeling of discontent toward them prior to Trump announcing his candidacy.
Trump actually carried a higher % of the black and hispanic vote than Romney. The black vote is a little less surprising just because he wasn't running against Obama. But the hispanic vote is pretty interesting. I don't think those were big difference makers, but that's quite an accomplishment for a man that is literally Hitler.
I'm wondering whether this means more black and Hispanic people voted for Trump, or whether it means the same amount of black and Hispanic people voted for Trump as Romney and the higher percentage is the decrease in total numbers of voters who turned out for both demographics, because there was lower turnout.
Of course, then comes the question of why the lower turnout happened.
It doesn't strike you as slightly idiotic that we can elect someone who doesn't have the popular vote?
No.
The only reason it would come off as idiotic is if one came in with the expectation that we're supposed to work like a direct democracy. We are not. The Founding Fathers deliberately crafted our government to be a republic, not a democracy. They had studied Athens and why it did not work, and acted accordingly. You will notice that the power of the people has many checks on it. There are checks against the power of the people. The Electoral College is one such check.
2-just how bad (if bad at all) will Trump be for America? or are people just over reacting?
Trump is a racist, bigoted man with no political experience, no understanding of the issues, no understanding of the office of the President, no intellectual curiosity to learn about such things, is entirely selfish and narcissistic, who has been accused of rape and sexual assault, who resorts to openly threatening and belittling anyone who disagrees with him, who has a temperament of attack against any slight, who is about to become the most powerful human being alive.
How bad do you THINK it's going to be? It will be a disaster. The best hope that I have is that Trump actually might unite all of America against him.
3-What kind of impact will this have on Canada, if any?
Really, as far as countries are concerned, I'm way more worried about the effect this will have on America, Mexico, Syria, Ukraine, all former USSR states, Western Europe, Southeast Asia, the Middle East, and northern Africa than I am about Canada. You and Australia are the two countries I'm least concerned about with regards to this, really.
4-is it fair to assume Bernie would have beaten Trump if he had won the DNC?
I don't know if there's any real way to gauge this, as on the one hand you'd have a major socialist, and I don't honestly know how the American public would have reacted to that, and on the other hand, you would have had Trump. Who is Trump.
* FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars' worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal.
* SIXTH, lift the Obama-Clinton roadblocks and allow vital energy infrastructure projects, like the Keystone Pipeline, to move forward
* SEVENTH, cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change programs and use the money to fix America's water and environmental infrastructure
So, under Trump's regime, business, industrialism,and destruction of the environment run rampant. Global weather patterns intensify as the climate spirals out of control. Middle Africa is consumed by the Sahara, and Europe becomes a Siberian wasteland because oceanic conveyer belt shuts off. Eastern China and the Eastern Seaboard of the US are consum d by the sea, along with countless pacific islands. The climate patterns of the Pacific invert, making El-Nino the norm, and starving California, the States' top food source, completely dry. The ice caps melt, and the Siberian and Canadian permafrost reserves thaw, releasing huge YUGE amounts of methane into the atmosphere, intensifying the greenhouse process, and rendering further swaths of the continents unproductive and uninhabitable. Society collapses as widespread famine kills billions. Governments are toppled because everyone blames the "establishment" for all the world's problems. Militias spring up, and start slaughtering eachother over the rapidly dwindling resources our planet has to offer. The population continues to flatline, until some orange faced moron decides it's a good idea to launch a nuke to prove how great Murica is again. Nuclear war immolates the surface of the earth and reduces the sentient population to 0. The ensuing nuclear winter cools the earth down enough for the planet's natural stabilization processes to gradually bring the climate back down to normal over the course of the next few million years. The biosphere, finally rid of the ignorant, brainless sapiens that destroyed it, recovers, and life chugs on. Everyone wins! Except for the humans...
Suffice to say, I'm very embarrassed of the fact that I am an American right now.
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Nuclear war immolates the surface of the earth and reduces the sentient population to 0. The ensuing nuclear winter cools the earth down enough for the planet's natural stabilization processes to gradually bring the climate back down to normal over the course of the next few million years. The biosphere, finally rid of the ignorant, brainless sapiens that destroyed it, recovers, and life chugs on. Everyone wins! Except for the humans...
That's a little too grim. What's more likely is only the nuke-using nations are consumed by nuclear fire, and the war doesn't last long enough for conventional troops to move south in large numbers.
South Africa, South America and those parts of Oceania that didn't sink are still habitable and relatively safe.
To soon to tell. With both houses and the Supreme Court all solidly in Republican hands he can do a hell of a lot of damage.
Just think with Roe Vs Wade. Do you really want to go back to the bad old days of backstreet abortionists setting up shop again. AS I guarntee you that even if Abortion get made illegal again the demand for it isn't going to go away.
Add in some of the more recent wins like Marriage equality I can understand why a lot of people are very concerned at the moment.
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But yeah, knowing his policies will **** over the innocent and going about them anyway is pretty in-character for this guy.
Art is life itself.
I tried cleaning up my own mess. I got cockblocked by the rest of the country. Now we have the antithesis of the American Dream in office. In other words: I'm bailing.
This is perhaps the saddest aspect of Trump's election. We, as a species, can survive war, social strife, oppressive regimes, etc. We cannot survive the catastrophic climate change that will come if we don't work to repair the damage we've done to the environment.
"You say 'learn from history,' but that does not mean 'learn the same bull***** the people in history learned alongside phrenology and alchemy.'" - The Blinking Spirit
Certain people, maybe. Lots of them were viscerally upset when Obama got elected too. The difference is which people are outraged, and why. Outrage is of a different character when it’s about Obama’s race/heritage, or about Clinton being in politics long enough to have made mistakes. This is outrage that someone who has promised to deport people and ban a religion from entering the US, all against our Constitution mind you, would end up with the Presidency.
A country that has always been about immigration will now shut its doors to immigrants. A country who has spearheaded free trade and Globalization will now raise its tariffs and bully international companies. A country that has upheld Pax Americana in the world for over 50 years will now become isolationist.
The streets of the US won’t start looking like the slums of India and Brazil, but in those ways, the “America” we know will be lost. It will be a disaster for actual “America”, in pursuit of a fantasy “America” more in line with the views of hateful individuals.
If Trump and the Republican federal lawmakers have their way, NAFTA will either be repealed or melt away. Expect a lot of amenities to get more expensive if that happens. Also, NATO would be soon to follow, to hear them tell it. That means that Russia, China, etc, will start to test the resolve of the NATO member nations, Canada included. Those countries might have to invest in more military. There might be small scale military conflicts in the mold of Crimea, the Falklands war, and the conflicts in the Balkans.
The US will probably just stand by, and the rival countries will know that all we’ll do is stand by. Who knows how bad it might get.
Would’a, should’a, could’a. More relevantly, the Democratic party as constituted around its current leaders has lost the presidency, congress, and the senate. More than that, the issues were set up so cleanly black and white that it had their constituency convinced that a victory was automatic. So, there is no amount of sharpening the message, running a better campaign, or in any other way continuing down the same path that will offer any promise for Dems in the future.
I don’t expect any amount of outcry like “isn’t it time for a woman president?” in the future. I don’t think they will be able to continue on a platform of championing minority interests, and holding out advancement of gender/race/sexual orientation as success, in itself. Somebody is going to have to pander to the disenfranchised, majority White vote. Bernie Sanders did that well, especially among the young, college-educated White. Hillary could never quite shake the persona that stronger minority demographics and historical gender milestones are the most meaningful touchstones for progress. Not enough of the majority agree with that sentiment, evidently.
I agree there is a moral imperative to deport anyone stupid enough to spew this "My side lost the election I'm moving to another country" BS
You mean like the return of free speech to college campuses? Or due process/fundamental fairness for males accused of crimes by females. Ya, I have high hopes of doing a lot of damage!
Minorities and women have it better then they ever have in human history (ironically due to enlightenment ideals, capitalism, and limited government-ideas championed by white males), and it's only going to get better for them and if you guys had not fully bought into the white male hating cult of "Social Justice" you would realize how silly your comments are.
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People were saying that a lot of people even his own party were opposed to him and might go against him but maybe he does have too much power due to everything being Republican.
I mean I feel his views on marriage equality are a bit regressive, I will give people opposed to him that
Except that all Trump would have to say is "socialist" and everyone over the age of 55 wouldn't vote for Sanders. The people who won the election for Trump are white males with no college education who work blue-collar jobs. You think they want a "socialist"?
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I don't really understand how the system works (but I plan on researching it to understand it) but you're not the first person I've seen say that it needs to go
I think a lot of people find his election disgusting, even as a Canadian (with a few Magic pros on facebook), I've seen a lot of disgust about it
What kind of fantasy world do you live in where accusations of sexual harassment actually slow careers in any statistically noticeable way?
Also: Trump was the chosen candidate of the KKK, Stormfront, the American Renaissance et al. People knew that and still voted for him.
This is why I can't take it seriously when people say accusations of racism shouldn't be made because they threaten people.
Seriously, US white nationalists are celebrating how successful they've been joining mainstream political thought.
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To us, this shows that Americans must be truly angry with the current system. So the majority decided to vote for Trump because he promised to change it. However, he could not provide any details as to how he plans to achieve his goals, many of which are ludicrous. I have yet to hear anything credible on his part, most of what he said is provocative and divisive. I predict 4 years of chaos and lots of turmoil on the world economy.
Future will tell, but I can't help to think that his presidency will make George W. Bush's reign appear great in comparison!
I feel the comparison to George Bush could end up being true, he seems like a similar personality type. Trump kinda seems like a more extreme version of Bush
Essentially each of the state gets a number of votes in the electoral college depending on their population (its equal to the number of senators they get)
These are the only people that count when it comes to who gets the presidency, as long as you get 51% of those electoral college votes you are the president.
The issue surrounding it is that most of the states assign their electors to candidates on a winner takes all basis. So for example California has 55 votes in the college, if either candidate gets 51% of there vote they gain all 55 votes.
In theory it is supposed to give the smaller fly over states a bit more importance in the race. In practice it doesn't do that as they are so heavily skewed that under normal circumstance the chance of them flipping colours is close to 0.
An arguement that is usually peddled is that with out the electoral college you only have to concentrate on the large metropolises like New York + LA to win the election. AS I said in my last post the top 100 cities by population only account for 20% of the vote. Good luck getting all of them to vote for you and then getting the rest of the country that you ignored voting for you.
Compare this to possible scenarion laid out in the video I posted where with the current system winning that small fraction of the population would put you in the oval office.
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It's just a language difference. In English we say "North America" and "South America" are continents, and "America" is a country. And by "we" I really do mean English-speakers, not just Americans. Go to Britain or Australia or Canada and ask them what "America" is, and they're not going to say it's a continent either.
In Spanish and Portuguese, you say that "America" is a continent and "Estados Unidos" is a country. You may argue that this is a better system, because it's less ambiguous, but you know what? The formal name of Mexico is "Estados Unidos Mexicanos", so you've got some potential ambiguity this way too. In practice, everybody knows that when you say "Estados Unidos" you mean the USA, and in practice, everybody knows that when we say "America" we mean the USA. The labels are arbitrary, they don't impede communication, and they don't really matter.
I'm not sure the electoral college is at fault here. I mean, yeah it is in the narrow sense that "If we got exactly the same results but didn't have the electoral college, Clinton would be president-elect right now." But if the math had been just a little bit different, Trump might have won the popular vote and Clinton the electoral one, and we'd be thanking our lucky stars that the electoral college existed. So as far as rules go, I see it as equally unfair to both sides.
And I don't see how it drives polarization either.
Nah. Bush was a true believer. Trump is the opposite of that. About the only things they have in common is that they're both Republicans, both ignorant, and both teetotalers.
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Yeah, as bad as it gets in the US, it is at least refreshing to remember that our education system isn’t the unchecked, populist propaganda machine that the education systems are in Latin America.
Really like Blinking Spirit said, that issue is about as simple as potato/potatoe. The name of our country is “The United States of America”. That’s why we’re called “Americans”. It’s not that we think that we own the American continent. If your country thinks we should call ourselves something different, then by all means, export us some movies where people are talking differently. You’ll have to contend with the overwhelming worldwide appeal of the US film industry and our way of speaking, but you’re welcome to try.
Until then, we’re going to call ourselves “Americans”. Nothing you can do about it. We will also probably continue to score higher on actual geography tests as a country, because you know, our education system is about something other than parroting Che Guevara and the rest of the alt-left.
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Are then in council, and the state of man,
Like to a little kingdom, suffers then
The nature of an insurrection.
Sorry if i questioned your intelligence but you really are just going down all by yourself. And that's why Trump got there. Your nation is one influenced by racism and violence. And by the context of your comment i can't really see you being more "clever" or "cult" than anyone in my country, or continent.
As Winston Churchill once said: "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else."
PS: Please guys i know this is a forum where citizens of the United States of America are the majority. This isn't against anyone of you personally.
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This article is the best explanation I've read thusfar for Trump's success. Particularly eye-opening is a map that shows the 2012 election by county (here's the link) as opposed to by state. It taught me two things I had never realized:
1. Lake Michigan really IS shaped like a dick.
2. I never knew just how prevalent Republican voters really were in this country, and how local to urban areas Democratic support is.
And that really emphasizes one of the biggest problems with EVERYONE'S perception of the election. We wrote off the idea of Trump winning because we severely underestimated both the amount of Republican support in the country and the voting power of middle-class white voters. And indeed, the tendency of people to overlook middle-class white voters was one of the reason those middle-class white voters voted the way they did. People will tend to vote the person who doesn't overlook them, even if that person is horrifying.
Ok, stop right there.
Implicit in this is that all of the "anti-establishment change desired by [Trump's] voters" will be passed by the end of four years of Trump as president.
That is not a "no big deal" scenario.
She was Hillary Clinton. To calculate what she did wrong would start with her tenure as Secretary of State and then proceed in reverse chronological order until you get to the start of her political career. The woman's name is synonymous with lying and corruption, and we all knew it. In a normal election, she'd be the villain. The fact that so many people are reacting to Hillary's loss like Captain America died trying to save Superman who also died is because of who she ran against.
Hillary has had a career of corruption, scandal, and deceit, and she never made it better. Were she running against a normal candidate, she'd have gotten flattened.
But really, Hillary was not the only factor. This election was a perfect storm. We had the people who Hillary ran against, and the fact that only Bernie was a candidate with any chance of winning. Had Joe Biden run? This would be a totally different election.
Then there was the Republican party, which had the opposite problem. SO many candidates ran that for Trump, having both a name people knew and a base of support, which at the time was a minority fraction of the Republican party, was an incredible advantage for him during the first set of primaries. By the time the field dwindled down to sane levels, it was too late. Trump had won too many early contests. There was also the fact that the party favorites going in, Walker, Jeb!, and Rubio, all imploded. Had it been just Trump and an establishment candidate at the start, I do believe the establishment candidate would have won.
Then there was the DNC mismanagement of the Bernie campaign, and the betrayal felt by many because of that. Which would not have been an issue were it not because of the leaked emails. Then there was the public announcement of the reopening of the email investigation, which came at a time when the narrative was very much against Trump.
I mean, there's just so many factors here. And as the above link points out, what you really have to do is break down why Trump had that base of support gravitate toward him in the first place, which means you need to examine the lead up to Trump going into the election and why the Republicans had such a feeling of discontent toward them prior to Trump announcing his candidacy.
I'm wondering whether this means more black and Hispanic people voted for Trump, or whether it means the same amount of black and Hispanic people voted for Trump as Romney and the higher percentage is the decrease in total numbers of voters who turned out for both demographics, because there was lower turnout.
Of course, then comes the question of why the lower turnout happened.
No.
The only reason it would come off as idiotic is if one came in with the expectation that we're supposed to work like a direct democracy. We are not. The Founding Fathers deliberately crafted our government to be a republic, not a democracy. They had studied Athens and why it did not work, and acted accordingly. You will notice that the power of the people has many checks on it. There are checks against the power of the people. The Electoral College is one such check.
Definitely not.
Trump is a racist, bigoted man with no political experience, no understanding of the issues, no understanding of the office of the President, no intellectual curiosity to learn about such things, is entirely selfish and narcissistic, who has been accused of rape and sexual assault, who resorts to openly threatening and belittling anyone who disagrees with him, who has a temperament of attack against any slight, who is about to become the most powerful human being alive.
How bad do you THINK it's going to be? It will be a disaster. The best hope that I have is that Trump actually might unite all of America against him.
Really, as far as countries are concerned, I'm way more worried about the effect this will have on America, Mexico, Syria, Ukraine, all former USSR states, Western Europe, Southeast Asia, the Middle East, and northern Africa than I am about Canada. You and Australia are the two countries I'm least concerned about with regards to this, really.
I don't know if there's any real way to gauge this, as on the one hand you'd have a major socialist, and I don't honestly know how the American public would have reacted to that, and on the other hand, you would have had Trump. Who is Trump.
So, under Trump's regime, business, industrialism,and destruction of the environment run rampant. Global weather patterns intensify as the climate spirals out of control. Middle Africa is consumed by the Sahara, and Europe becomes a Siberian wasteland because oceanic conveyer belt shuts off. Eastern China and the Eastern Seaboard of the US are consum d by the sea, along with countless pacific islands. The climate patterns of the Pacific invert, making El-Nino the norm, and starving California, the States' top food source, completely dry. The ice caps melt, and the Siberian and Canadian permafrost reserves thaw, releasing
hugeYUGE amounts of methane into the atmosphere, intensifying the greenhouse process, and rendering further swaths of the continents unproductive and uninhabitable. Society collapses as widespread famine kills billions. Governments are toppled because everyone blames the "establishment" for all the world's problems. Militias spring up, and start slaughtering eachother over the rapidly dwindling resources our planet has to offer. The population continues to flatline, until some orange faced moron decides it's a good idea to launch a nuke to prove how great Murica is again. Nuclear war immolates the surface of the earth and reduces the sentient population to 0. The ensuing nuclear winter cools the earth down enough for the planet's natural stabilization processes to gradually bring the climate back down to normal over the course of the next few million years. The biosphere, finally rid of the ignorant, brainless sapiens that destroyed it, recovers, and life chugs on. Everyone wins! Except for the humans...Suffice to say, I'm very embarrassed of the fact that I am an American right now.
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South Africa, South America and those parts of Oceania that didn't sink are still habitable and relatively safe.
At least, as long as the fallout doesn't drift too far.
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