It's when say Obama talks, then people believe him that things will change. This is the religious part of governments. They talk and lie and people keep believe in the same government. Climate change was just a point to highlight this.
New topic! Is global warming a religion?
So, No.
But, as it turns out, you can't just change the energy that your country runs on overnight. It's why people still drive gas cars when electric ones exist even though gas was over 5$ per gallon at one point. Also, its simply not feasible or practical for each person to grow their own food in a global economy.People can not just stop driving cars and grow their own food instead, its not a real solution.
No, but you can change the energy a house runs on overnight (preferably during the day). Gas/LPG for cars is meant to be clean burning so hardly a contributor to global warming compared to the pentagon, so they do not need to give up driving. It is quite feasible and practical for people to grow some of their own food. There are many new technologies also available including aquaponics, that will help grow more food in smaller areas. It's the belief that the government is doing something that people are slow to adopt these new things.
Another thing like climate change the government lies about then people believe is the war on drugs. Started in 1971 by president Nixon. Then in 1996 Micheal C. Ruppert catches the U.S. Governments C.I.A. bringing drugs into America... http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/2014/q2/rip-michael-c-ruppert-the-cop-that-busted-the-cia/
Say one thing and do the opposite, and people keep believing...
@Nevelo
Is the war on drugs a religion?...
Election 'Promises'... When we lie it's called fraud and we can be sued. When the government lies its call 'Politics'.
Why is the government held to double standards? (this is the same for the church).
ATM I am thinking Government(physical) is the church(physical), nationalism(mental) is the religion(mental).
So the government is a religion the same way the church is a religion. So I guess the answer is No
So because of this: "It's when say Obama talks, then people believe him that things will change. This is the religious part of governments. They talk and lie and people keep believe in the same government. Climate change was just a point to highlight this. "
'Is global warming a religion?' No. The globe has warmed, the climate is always changing it is not peoples BELIEF.
But I did come to the same conclusion as you LOL!!
Is government a religion?
No.
Moving on?
...
Is the government a church and nationalism the religion?
Like increase it! The U.S. government is one of the worlds largest polluters. It's nice that he likes to talk about it tho.
So that's why his latest budget included a doubling of clean energy research funding over the previous year, you know because he is all talk on the subject. Deny it if you want things are changing. Change of this magnitude cannot happen over night and denying that anyone else cares is not helping the issue. Since we are talking about destructive habits, did you do anything to stop your government from trying to build a pipeline through the Great Barrier Reef?
Like increase it! The U.S. government is one of the worlds largest polluters. It's nice that he likes to talk about it tho.
So that's why his latest budget included a doubling of clean energy research funding over the previous year, you know because he is all talk on the subject. Deny it if you want things are changing. Change of this magnitude cannot happen over night and denying that anyone else cares is not helping the issue. Since we are talking about destructive habits, did you do anything to stop your government from trying to build a pipeline through the Great Barrier Reef?
Research is not the same as say stop dropping bombs on hospitals. So Obama could probably cut down on that if he wanted to achieve anything. And that could stop 'overnight'.
Well at least you are saying it's the governments that are destroying the Great Barrier Reef. "stop your government" it is not my government, because I live on the same land as this governmental parasite it does not make it mine. What did you do to stop your government from bombing hospitals?
It's when say Obama talks, then people believe him that things will change. This is the religious part of governments. They talk and lie and people keep believe in the same government. Climate change was just a point to highlight this.
It's when say Obama talks, then people believe him that things will change. This is the religious part of governments. They talk and lie and people keep believe in the same government. Climate change was just a point to highlight this.
New topic! Is global warming a religion?
So, No.
But, as it turns out, you can't just change the energy that your country runs on overnight. It's why people still drive gas cars when electric ones exist even though gas was over 5$ per gallon at one point. Also, its simply not feasible or practical for each person to grow their own food in a global economy.People can not just stop driving cars and grow their own food instead, its not a real solution.
No, but you can change the energy a house runs on overnight (preferably during the day). Gas/LPG for cars is meant to be clean burning so hardly a contributor to global warming compared to the pentagon, so they do not need to give up driving. It is quite feasible and practical for people to grow some of their own food. There are many new technologies also available including aquaponics, that will help grow more food in smaller areas. It's the belief that the government is doing something that people are slow to adopt these new things.
Another thing like climate change the government lies about then people believe is the war on drugs. Started in 1971 by president Nixon. Then in 1996 Micheal C. Ruppert catches the U.S. Governments C.I.A. bringing drugs into America... http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/2014/q2/rip-michael-c-ruppert-the-cop-that-busted-the-cia/
Say one thing and do the opposite, and people keep believing...
@Nevelo
Is the war on drugs a religion?...
Election 'Promises'... When we lie it's called fraud and we can be sued. When the government lies its call 'Politics'.
Why is the government held to double standards? (this is the same for the church).
ATM I am thinking Government(physical) is the church(physical), nationalism(mental) is the religion(mental).
So the government is a religion the same way the church is a religion. So I guess the answer is No
Nationalism is tribalism.
Government is the chieftain.
Clergyman is the shaman.
Religion is religion.
If we account for tribalism being the basic segment of an enjoined society between a variety of individuals beyond a band.
I think we need to answer:
1. Why do humans have a tendency to select "one leader" that then divides power downwards as the most efficient power structure to achieve the greatest results?
Because running something by committee is a pain in the ass. Exercise something ran by an anarchy versus something ran by a singular leader that distributes power among different selected people.
2. Why do humans keep associating with liars?
The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins is probably going to offer at least one theory about self preservation through selfishness. That if you screw me I will hold a grudge, however I do have the capacity, big word is agency, to also "forgive" an action if it is necessary to. This is where people do not operate in total logic, you see with people who have Aspergers and operate in a more "logical, oriented manner" than other people and watch how someone with Aspergers inter relates with others. Even after major socialization, they will have a few quirks.
This is because people use an emotional network for base feelings, rather than "higher brain" logistical skills. One lie will not establish a liar, a sustained pattern of lies will sustain a grudge. A grudger will "hurt" the offender. Get enough to hold a grudge against you, and you're "out of the system."
Now anarchism is worthy for small population, say a flock of birds that try to cooperate and one just doesn't help preen other birds. Gets ticks and dies, making the behavior to not preen others in return for preening you a bad thing. A social animal dies from ostracization. Now the issue with a migratory animal, like a human, is that they may move from one person to the next. This is a sociopathy. While it may not "make sense" economically to cheat, a tribal elder or nation state has the capacity to "remember" specific crimes. This grants a level of protection for people who seek to cooperate with others and feel that the person they're dealing with is an honest broker.
You see this with the trade forums here, there are moderators rather than a huge "council of moderators" and a "head moderator" and "rules" that are enforced. Some are discussed and changed in lieu of new forms of justice, but for right now you need to understand that each of these structures carry over. They are called institutions to "channel out the bad" and "keep the good."
But wait, what happens during war? That means murder, lying, and cheating is acceptable against one "team" versus the "opposing team." As humans have a tendency to form cliques and bands, you know the gambit. There is a tendency to set up norms, those actions people tend to develop a dislike for that eventually becomes challenged and codified into a rule whenever a tipping point/major event happens. The goal of a rule is to prevent conflict and build up a system for social engagement and protection to ensure that risk can take place with some calculation for "knowing how to play the game."
There are acceptable versions of lies, and lying is very human to the point that other animals are on record with lying. A chimpanzee will lie to a human who has trained it sigh language. Other apes lie to other apes. It is to provide social cohesion. Why people believe is that the question on the "treat-o-meter" and certain lies are low. For example, your wife tells you she is 45 and really she's 47. Meanwhile you were engaged and married whenever she was "26" and really 28. Is that really going to crater your marriage? No. Now if she lied that you weren't the father of your child, then yes I am quite certain on the range.
And you haven't even covered some of the illicit stuff the US government has done on the major extreme end. However I question White Out Press as a relevant resource.
Are you, coming here, taking what you "learned" from WhiteOutPress and asking basic questions that could be easily answered by a Sociology 101 class online?
Then did you go to Mises Institute and read up there for your theory on economics and someone just handed you a book on Rothbard.
Let's start with something, do you actually believe that Vaccines Cause Autism? I think if you do, that's the start of the problem.
Then here we go with something else Global Research thing you cited.
Globalresearch describes itself as an "independent research and media organization". It considers itself to be "one of the leading alternative news media in North America" and "on the New World Order". Globalresearch considers itself to be a reliable "alternative news" source serving as a major repository of a broad range of "news articles, in-depth reports and analysis on issues which are barely covered by the mainstream media".[3 »
While I hate using a wiki like Rational Wiki, we can at least attest that some people don't like that resource.
As for your specific "evidence" the world's biggest polluter is a country NOT a defense force.
No, I'm not going to start here, here's the problem.
You have been badly educated by a series of people and lead to believe bad things. This is not to say that someone cannot become well educated and well reasoned through research. Thus far, you cannot even hit at the ball because you're trying to hit the ball with your feet.
You want to play with the big dogs?
Read stuff that actually answers some of these basic fundamental problems you're having, which it isn't hard.
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What you are trying to talk about is trying to equate the use of secular religion and the tendency for humans to attach certain emotions to an institutions such as trust, love, and so forth and place it towards a nation. You see the emotional attachment and customs that extend from nationalism as a form of religion. Dude, it's called Secular Religion.
That's word you want to argue with when using your "nationalism=religion" or "global climate change=religion" tautology here.
I'm not trying to talk down to you, I understand you got these "ideas" swirling around and around and you want to express this "new found wisdom to the internets" or whatever. For all I know you're some 45 year old woman with 2.5 kids and working as a marketing director for a major international corporation.
But I am going to assume you're 15-35 white male that has an affinity for the internet who probably saw Ron Paul Revolution "back in the day" or were influenced being a college student or "self discovery through the internet" through the Mises Institute.
So let's say this, you need to go back to the basics to make a better argument. I'm presuming you've read Rothbard, but you cannot take all the basics from Rothbard and friends. You need to go outside of that, and go back to cover a lot of areas. I mean we're talking having a modern education with good math and theory foundation to understand the various problems that are going on here. I for one see this "trap," there's an under education trap with civics education to explain these basics and so people, like anything, seek out their friends help. It's like trying to understand how sex works through talking to your best friend in high school who only made it to second base.
So I'll just say it.
You ain't been taught right. Some people have done you a great disservice.
That's a much better start, but not something good enough.
There are much better educated anarcho-capitalists out there, you need to network with them to raise your game and read some of the "better materials" out there to better argue this stuff. This is why people approach you with reticence, since many here have already done the "big research" to the "fundamental questions." I'm not even trying to move you away from your politics, but these axioms and answers can be done with a good online course in things like Sociology, Psychology, and so forth. Learning the basics, reading some basic books and then scaffolding upwards to read more advanced works that answer more advanced questions and retaining more theory and history and studies. You can learn more.
I'm not trying to make your life suck here or infer you're "a fool." I feel that taking the time out of reading some of these stranger sites that serve no purpose than to warp you from the truth to a preconceived prepackaged worldview. You will find that the real conspiracies and the real contradictions can and will support your worldview as of now very well without the help from shady people like those of White Out Press.
Its politico-economic stance is strongly anti-capitalist,[5][6] anti-"imperialist",[7][8] anti-militarist,[9] and anti-globalization.[10]
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Typho0nn's ability to only source his posts from conspiracy theorists and alt-news is actually kind of impressive when you think about it.
I wonder if google personalizes search results based on previous searches? I'm pretty sure it does but I can't find hard data right now.
EDIT: having jumped onto google and ****ed with some settings, the answer appears to be yes. Searching for my thesis topic now no-longer brings up a link to Scholar as the top result. That's interesting.
Hey Typho0nn, hop on google and search vaccination, then printscreen the page and post it here. I'm gonna do some science. If you normally search logged-in, don't logout before searching.
Everyone else, feel free to step in I guess. Unless I get a warning for going off topic, then flee and save yourselves.
Is the government a church and nationalism the religion?
No. Because hospital bombings. Or climate change. Or Obummer. Or Trump! Conspiracy! Israel! See, I can go on wild tangents too.
Moving on?
Your basic confusion here is that "points of similarity' does not equal "same thing". Rollerblades and airplanes both have wheels. Not the same thing.
You don't seem to be making anything close to a coherent argument. You're just saying stuff.
A coherent argument might look like...
"People put trust in excess of what is warranted by evidence in their governments. This is highly similar to religious thinking. Under a broad definition, we could consider 'faith in government' to be equivalent to 'faith in the catholic church'. Therefore, I'd argue that the average catholic's faith in the pope is equivalent to the average citizen's faith in their chosen political leader. As we consider this form of thinking to be religious in nature, we should consider the product of this form of thinking to be a religion."
See? It's a coherent argument. Premises, following statements, a conclusion. Everything's on topic too. It's still wrong, but it's coherent. That's a huge step up.
Typho0nn's ability to only source his posts from conspiracy theorists and alt-news is actually kind of impressive when you think about it.
I wonder if google personalizes search results based on previous searches? I'm pretty sure it does but I can't find hard data right now.
EDIT: having jumped onto google and ****ed with some settings, the answer appears to be yes. Searching for my thesis topic now no-longer brings up a link to Scholar as the top result. That's interesting.
Hey Typho0nn, hop on google and search vaccination, then printscreen the page and post it here. I'm gonna do some science.
Everyone else, feel free to step in I guess.
Yea that's how they build their algorithms are built towards preferences that are user based rather than towards achieving a more balanced form of research towards the best topics. It's all about hits, keywords, and so forth. That and Google sells it's search engine to several major websites. There's an entire thing actually called Search Engine Optimization in marketing.
It's bad, real bad.
Buuuuuuuuuuuuut that's not the least of the problem. Anarcho-Capitalists, the young ones anyway, tend, well heavily trend enough, you know how Ron Paul at his worst comes off as the know-it all college kid that wants to lecture everybody on morality and the "BIG questions on government and life because we're all SO wrong?" That's the entire problem. "I BELIEVE in these resources" and then they get revealed and those resources suck.
You want a smart anarcho capitalist? Try David D. Friedman, Robert Nozick, and Bryan Caplan. The basics of their own worldviews can be poked fairly easily, but at least they try harder and put up much better arguments. I don't suggest Rothbard, because he's, well, fails to explain why markets weren't used to solve ALL the world's problems and why they're a really great idea to use everything. Meanwhile, selling unwanted babies is a form of chattel slavery or at least rhymes enough with it to make people get really squicky and other ideas that don't translate well to mainstream. And I will say this now, selling one of his solutions, baby selling, in the middle of a black neighborhood will invite an uproar. And this is why Rothbard isn't mainstream. Because his ideas either were implemented in some fashion and failed or it takes some really obscure history points to comprehend what he's thinking and those time periods had violence issues.
Most of these could be answered reading some of the books from the Mises Institute and Austrian Economics dogma for him and books like Anarchy, State, and Utopia. It's like he read a few books, then started reading the bad references and used Rothbard's worldview like a hermit crab shell intellectually which grazing upon conspiracies.
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Hey Typho0nn, hop on google and search vaccination, then printscreen the page and post it here. I'm gonna do some science. If you normally search logged-in, don't logout before searching.
Everyone else, feel free to step in I guess. Unless I get a warning for going off topic, then flee and save yourselves.
Why don't you set one as a control?
@Frostdragon4
Nationalism is tribalism.
No, Nationalism is much bigger than tribalism. You can belong to different tribes within a nation. Nations are lines drawn on maps under flags, enforced with guns, nationalism is the belief these lines are real. Some tribes say in America and Australia, the Indians and Aboriginals do not want to belong to these conceptual lines.
Exercise something ran by an anarchy versus something ran by a singular leader that distributes power among different selected people.
I think the best things are ran by anarchy say the internet. And the worst are ran by a single leader, say Rome or Nazi Germany.
2. Why do humans keep associating with liars?
Greed, so it's the free stuff they get from the government that keeps them coming back?
Here's the big hint IT'S CHINA:
Yep so that's a government with say a 'singular leader' and people are going to belief they can change things with their targets. When if they people just went out and invested in their own solar, grew their own food and cycled there would not be this big of a pollution problem. Self sustainability is closer to anarchy and will help more against 'climate change' than believing the government is going to change.
You want to play with the big dogs?
I love big dogs hahah I have an American Bulldog
Lets play!!!!
That's word you want to argue with when using your "nationalism=religion" or "global climate change=religion" tautology here.
I will argue that nationalism is a type of religion, but I never said global climate change was. Do not put words in others mouths, it's hard to debate :S
But I am going to assume you're 15-35 white male that has an affinity for the internet who probably saw Ron Paul Revolution "back in the day" or were influenced being a college student or "self discovery through the internet" through the Mises Institute.
ass-u-me is a bad start, but yeah I am between those ages. No affinity for the net, only use mobile internet (have an 'affinity' for magic and other things.) Yeah I like Ron Paul. not the Mises Institute.
I'm assuming you are 24 White, Socialist, American, Bernie Sanders supporter, Have affinity for the internet and videos and games, have a degree from college or currently doing another one since you swapped. Play 1 racket sport, probably about 5'9, 75 kg.
You ain't been taught right. Some people have done you a great disservice.
Just because I have different views does not mean I ain't been taught right. But I would not want to be 'taught right', that sounds lame and boring and unproductive, I would rather mix things up a bit. I could say the same thing back to you but i don't wanna start with the ad homenims.
I'm not trying to make your life suck here or infer you're "a fool."
You just did! So best just say what you mean, I know how doofuses like to juggle words.
But lets face the facts, the US government is a huge polluter too as well as China.
When if they people just went out and invested in their own solar, grew their own food and cycled there would not be this big of a pollution problem. Self sustainability is closer to anarchy and will help more against 'climate change' than believing the government is going to change.
It is literally not possible to feed the world population or provide enough power to the modern world to continue civilization as we know it if everyone tried to generate their own power and grow their own food. On top of that, the amount of time invested by everyone in just surviving would cut all progress (science, technology, the arts, everything) down to basically zero.
In fact, if we were just talking about one single individual (not the world at large), the number of locations on the planet where they could grow enough food to sustain themselves indefinitely and generate enough power to live a lifestyle most people today would associate with the concept of "first world country" is extremely limited, and even more limited if they intend to do so year-round. (Example: My uncle has solar panels for a roof of a four-bedroom house. But, since he lives in Minnesota, he only generates enough power to cut his electric bill in half during the summer, and less in the winter.)
When if they people just went out and invested in their own solar, grew their own food and cycled there would not be this big of a pollution problem. Self sustainability is closer to anarchy and will help more against 'climate change' than believing the government is going to change.
It is literally not possible to feed the world population or provide enough power to the modern world to continue civilization as we know it if everyone tried to generate their own power and grow their own food. On top of that, the amount of time invested by everyone in just surviving would cut all progress (science, technology, the arts, everything) down to basically zero.
In fact, if we were just talking about one single individual (not the world at large), the number of locations on the planet where they could grow enough food to sustain themselves indefinitely and generate enough power to live a lifestyle most people today would associate with the concept of "first world country" is extremely limited, and even more limited if they intend to do so year-round. (Example: My uncle has solar panels for a roof of a four-bedroom house. But, since he lives in Minnesota, he only generates enough power to cut his electric bill in half during the summer, and less in the winter.)
It's not that everyone would have to do it all at once, it would be for people to do what they can. We are not going back to the stone age we will still have technology, and obviously some will be able to produce more. Once more is produced trade will occure and the 'science, technology, the arts, everything' will still develop. It would be pretty much the same system we have now, but instead of paying tax to a government you would buy your own solar panels.
I am saying we as individual people can be doing more to prevent climate change, rather than believing government is going to do something about it. Sustainability would happen quicker if the individual was more responsible. Rather having that empty window space there would be a tomato plant on it growing tomatoes...
I am saying we as individual people can be doing more to prevent climate change, rather than believing government is going to do something about it. Sustainability would happen quicker if the individual was more responsible.
I am saying we as individual people can be doing more to prevent climate change, rather than believing government is going to do something about it. Sustainability would happen quicker if the individual was more responsible.
I am saying we as individual people can be doing more to prevent climate change, rather than believing government is going to do something about it. Sustainability would happen quicker if the individual was more responsible.
So what are you doing?
What are you doing first!?
I aquaculture sea life so that less has to be taken from the ocean. I am only one guy but I hear if everyone does it I hear we would not have to harvest anything from the ocean. It might not be practical for everyone to keep multiple large tanks in their living room but hey its a start. Now will you answer my question?
I am saying we as individual people can be doing more to prevent climate change, rather than believing government is going to do something about it. Sustainability would happen quicker if the individual was more responsible.
So what are you doing?
What are you doing first!?
You are the one who is trumpeting the individual responsibility line, so I think you have the greater obligation to front up in terms of 'practising-what-you-preach' aversion of hypocrisy. I simply, and others here, simply don't have that obligation because we don't support this notion of individual responsibility, but more of group responsibility.
I am saying we as individual people can be doing more to prevent climate change, rather than believing government is going to do something about it. Sustainability would happen quicker if the individual was more responsible.
So what are you doing?
What are you doing first!?
I aquaculture sea life so that less has to be taken from the ocean. I am only one guy but I hear if everyone does it I hear we would not have to harvest anything from the ocean. It might not be practical for everyone to keep multiple large tanks in their living room but hey its a start. Now will you answer my question?
That sounds like a reasonable thing to do. I live minimally, I cycle, I grow a variety of herbs, veggies and fruit. I would like to expand out more on a farm one day when I get enough for some land. Build an Earthship mansion, live off the grid and produce more than I can eat and capitalize off the rest.
When if they people just went out and invested in their own solar, grew their own food and cycled there would not be this big of a pollution problem. Self sustainability is closer to anarchy and will help more against 'climate change' than believing the government is going to change.
It is literally not possible to feed the world population or provide enough power to the modern world to continue civilization as we know it if everyone tried to generate their own power and grow their own food. On top of that, the amount of time invested by everyone in just surviving would cut all progress (science, technology, the arts, everything) down to basically zero.
In fact, if we were just talking about one single individual (not the world at large), the number of locations on the planet where they could grow enough food to sustain themselves indefinitely and generate enough power to live a lifestyle most people today would associate with the concept of "first world country" is extremely limited, and even more limited if they intend to do so year-round. (Example: My uncle has solar panels for a roof of a four-bedroom house. But, since he lives in Minnesota, he only generates enough power to cut his electric bill in half during the summer, and less in the winter.)
It's not that everyone would have to do it all at once, it would be for people to do what they can. We are not going back to the stone age we will still have technology, and obviously some will be able to produce more. Once more is produced trade will occure and the 'science, technology, the arts, everything' will still develop. It would be pretty much the same system we have now, but instead of paying tax to a government you would buy your own solar panels.
I am saying we as individual people can be doing more to prevent climate change, rather than believing government is going to do something about it. Sustainability would happen quicker if the individual was more responsible.
And who's building these solar panels, anyway? Nobody has time to manage or operate the factory to assemble the panels, because they're all too busy managing their crops so they don't starve to death. I certainly have no idea how to assemble a solar panel from scratch, do you? And even if you did know how to construct one from bare parts, there's nobody to manage or operate the multiple factories required to create the various materials needed to make the solar panel in the first place: they're all too busy with their crops, and with failing to build the solar panels they can't have because nobody's making the materials.
Growing enough food to feed people is a full-time job, but it scales pretty well. One person can spend all of their time to feed him or herself, but one person can also do enough work to feed multiple people; this is part of why we have things like farms and farmers. This frees up others from the effort of keeping themselves from starvation, giving them the time required to do other things. Like innovate. Progress.
Even if it were possible for everyone in the world to do subsistence farming (it's not), that would leave the world stagnant.
Now, if you're saying that some people could farm extra food, which others trade for... that is exactly what happens now! On a much larger scale than what you seem to want, but that's what is required in order to feed the world. Subsistence farming is not practical in the modern day. It's not an issue of government, either, outside of something like Venezuela's government-run grocery stores (which are... um... empty).
And who's building these solar panels, anyway? Nobody has time to manage or operate the factory to assemble the panels, because they're all too busy managing their crops so they don't starve to death. I certainly have no idea how to assemble a solar panel from scratch, do you? And even if you did know how to construct one from bare parts, there's nobody to manage or operate the multiple factories required to create the various materials needed to make the solar panel in the first place: they're all too busy with their crops, and with failing to build the solar panels they can't have because nobody's making the materials.
Growing enough food to feed people is a full-time job, but it scales pretty well. One person can spend all of their time to feed him or herself, but one person can also do enough work to feed multiple people; this is part of why we have things like farms and farmers. This frees up others from the effort of keeping themselves from starvation, giving them the time required to do other things. Like innovate. Progress.
Even if it were possible for everyone in the world to do subsistence farming (it's not), that would leave the world stagnant.
Now, if you're saying that some people could farm extra food, which others trade for... that is exactly what happens now! On a much larger scale than what you seem to want, but that's what is required in order to feed the world. Subsistence farming is not practical in the modern day. It's not an issue of government, either, outside of something like Venezuela's government-run grocery stores (which are... um... empty).
I am not saying to stop life as we have it so the rest of your argument is irreverent. I am saying when someone gets home from their 9-5 job in a factory producing solar panels, they can water their plants that they have around the home, and pick a nice fresh dinner of veggies. They can also have a fish pond in the back yard... etc... and buy some pork from down the road. Instead of growing it on a mass produced farm hundreds of Km's away, sprayed with pesticides n herbicides. Crude-Oil based products used to fertilize it. its pretty disgusting to think some people eat that.
" Like innovate."
Yes we can innovate!!! Like growing a plant! There seems to be a lot of great things the individual can do towards climate change compared to the government.
I am not saying to stop life as we have it so the rest of your argument is irreverent. I am saying when someone gets home from their 9-5 job in a factory producing solar panels, they can water their plants that they have around the home, and pick a nice fresh dinner of veggies. They can also have a fish pond in the back yard... etc... and buy some pork from down the road. Instead of growing it on a mass produced farm hundreds of Km's away, sprayed with pesticides n herbicides. Crude-Oil based products used to fertilize it. its pretty disgusting to think some people eat that.
" Like innovate."
Yes we can innovate!!! Like growing a plant! There seems to be a lot of great things the individual can do towards climate change compared to the government.
So what about people who do not have a yard to grow food in or a direct roof above them to mount a solar panel like anyone living in a multi-story building?how does this utopia of innovation work with those individuals.
On the other hand the government is capable of promoting sustainable farming practices and financing solar/wind/hydroelectric energy projects on large enough scale to help many many people. Heck before I moved recently my home's power came of a hydroelectric plant financed and operated by the federal government.
So what about people who do not have a yard to grow food in or a direct roof above them to mount a solar panel like anyone living in a multi-story building?how does this utopia of innovation work with those individuals.
On the other hand the government is capable of promoting sustainable farming practices and financing solar/wind/hydroelectric energy projects on large enough scale to help many many people. Heck before I moved recently my home's power came of a hydroelectric plant financed and operated by the federal government.
They could have wind turbines, or solar panels at the top of the building, Maybe the building has shared power, and they can grow an aquaponics system under some LED lights. If they are living in a small unit they are probably consuming minimally. Innovate...
It's good that the government got behind a project like that, but it is still people and businesses that built it. It can be done privately, but then people might kick up a stink that it will destroy animals habitats...
They could have wind turbines, or solar panels at the top of the building, Maybe the building has shared power, and they can grow an aquaponics system under some LED lights. If they are living in a small unit they are probably consuming minimally. Innovate...
It's good that the government got behind a project like that, but it is still people and businesses that built it. It can be done privately, but then people might kick up a stink that it will destroy animals habitats...
That is a pretty good idea you have there but of course in that situation you would need some sort of organization to ensure that the power is distributed correctly and it is managed properly as well making sure the collective hydroponics systems are also managed properly and distributed correctly, then BAM you've got yourself a governing body congrats.
The dam in question was built by the Army corp of engineers and is still managed by them as well so really entirely the government there as well.
That is a pretty good idea you have there but of course in that situation you would need some sort of organization to ensure that the power is distributed correctly and it is managed properly as well making sure the collective hydroponics systems are also managed properly and distributed correctly, then BAM you've got yourself a governing body congrats.
The dam in question was built by the Army corp of engineers and is still managed by them as well so really entirely the government there as well.
Or a business if you were an anarcho-capitalist that cared about sustainability and your clients cared too.
Well if it's ran by the government its probably powering something that is for the government. Probably Military or 'defense' as Americans like to call it.
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Like increase it! The U.S. government is one of the worlds largest polluters. It's nice that he likes to talk about it tho.
http://www.newsweek.com/2014/07/25/us-department-defence-one-worlds-biggest-polluters-259456.html
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-pentagon-the-climate-elephant-2/5402505
It's when say Obama talks, then people believe him that things will change. This is the religious part of governments. They talk and lie and people keep believe in the same government. Climate change was just a point to highlight this.
So, No.
No, but you can change the energy a house runs on overnight (preferably during the day). Gas/LPG for cars is meant to be clean burning so hardly a contributor to global warming compared to the pentagon, so they do not need to give up driving. It is quite feasible and practical for people to grow some of their own food. There are many new technologies also available including aquaponics, that will help grow more food in smaller areas. It's the belief that the government is doing something that people are slow to adopt these new things.
Another thing like climate change the government lies about then people believe is the war on drugs. Started in 1971 by president Nixon. Then in 1996 Micheal C. Ruppert catches the U.S. Governments C.I.A. bringing drugs into America...
http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/2014/q2/rip-michael-c-ruppert-the-cop-that-busted-the-cia/
Say one thing and do the opposite, and people keep believing...
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Is the war on drugs a religion?...
Election 'Promises'... When we lie it's called fraud and we can be sued. When the government lies its call 'Politics'.
Why is the government held to double standards? (this is the same for the church).
ATM I am thinking Government(physical) is the church(physical), nationalism(mental) is the religion(mental).
So the government is a religion the same way the church is a religion. So I guess the answer is No
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Oh, that's how we're doing this? Okay then.
Is government a religion?
No.
Moving on?
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'Is global warming a religion?' No. The globe has warmed, the climate is always changing it is not peoples BELIEF.
But I did come to the same conclusion as you LOL!!
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Is the government a church and nationalism the religion?
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So that's why his latest budget included a doubling of clean energy research funding over the previous year, you know because he is all talk on the subject. Deny it if you want things are changing. Change of this magnitude cannot happen over night and denying that anyone else cares is not helping the issue. Since we are talking about destructive habits, did you do anything to stop your government from trying to build a pipeline through the Great Barrier Reef?
Research is not the same as say stop dropping bombs on hospitals. So Obama could probably cut down on that if he wanted to achieve anything. And that could stop 'overnight'.
Well at least you are saying it's the governments that are destroying the Great Barrier Reef. "stop your government" it is not my government, because I live on the same land as this governmental parasite it does not make it mine. What did you do to stop your government from bombing hospitals?
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Nationalism is tribalism.
Government is the chieftain.
Clergyman is the shaman.
Religion is religion.
If we account for tribalism being the basic segment of an enjoined society between a variety of individuals beyond a band.
I think we need to answer:
1. Why do humans have a tendency to select "one leader" that then divides power downwards as the most efficient power structure to achieve the greatest results?
Because running something by committee is a pain in the ass. Exercise something ran by an anarchy versus something ran by a singular leader that distributes power among different selected people.
2. Why do humans keep associating with liars?
The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins is probably going to offer at least one theory about self preservation through selfishness. That if you screw me I will hold a grudge, however I do have the capacity, big word is agency, to also "forgive" an action if it is necessary to. This is where people do not operate in total logic, you see with people who have Aspergers and operate in a more "logical, oriented manner" than other people and watch how someone with Aspergers inter relates with others. Even after major socialization, they will have a few quirks.
This is because people use an emotional network for base feelings, rather than "higher brain" logistical skills. One lie will not establish a liar, a sustained pattern of lies will sustain a grudge. A grudger will "hurt" the offender. Get enough to hold a grudge against you, and you're "out of the system."
Now anarchism is worthy for small population, say a flock of birds that try to cooperate and one just doesn't help preen other birds. Gets ticks and dies, making the behavior to not preen others in return for preening you a bad thing. A social animal dies from ostracization. Now the issue with a migratory animal, like a human, is that they may move from one person to the next. This is a sociopathy. While it may not "make sense" economically to cheat, a tribal elder or nation state has the capacity to "remember" specific crimes. This grants a level of protection for people who seek to cooperate with others and feel that the person they're dealing with is an honest broker.
You see this with the trade forums here, there are moderators rather than a huge "council of moderators" and a "head moderator" and "rules" that are enforced. Some are discussed and changed in lieu of new forms of justice, but for right now you need to understand that each of these structures carry over. They are called institutions to "channel out the bad" and "keep the good."
But wait, what happens during war? That means murder, lying, and cheating is acceptable against one "team" versus the "opposing team." As humans have a tendency to form cliques and bands, you know the gambit. There is a tendency to set up norms, those actions people tend to develop a dislike for that eventually becomes challenged and codified into a rule whenever a tipping point/major event happens. The goal of a rule is to prevent conflict and build up a system for social engagement and protection to ensure that risk can take place with some calculation for "knowing how to play the game."
There are acceptable versions of lies, and lying is very human to the point that other animals are on record with lying. A chimpanzee will lie to a human who has trained it sigh language. Other apes lie to other apes. It is to provide social cohesion. Why people believe is that the question on the "treat-o-meter" and certain lies are low. For example, your wife tells you she is 45 and really she's 47. Meanwhile you were engaged and married whenever she was "26" and really 28. Is that really going to crater your marriage? No. Now if she lied that you weren't the father of your child, then yes I am quite certain on the range.
And you haven't even covered some of the illicit stuff the US government has done on the major extreme end. However I question White Out Press as a relevant resource.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vraDZyBD-d0
Go to 4:23. You start to hear the words "We were covering autism and vaccines."
Nailed it. Mark Wachtler is a moron and therefore his site is not a credible news source.
US/Spy Agencies Satanic Cult Undeniable
http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q42013/us-spy-agencies-satanic-cult-evidence-undeniable/
No seriously, this is just the dumbest thing I've seen since forever.
I'm hoping that the "Timeless" section is just for laughs:
http://www.whiteoutpress.com/timeless/
Global Warming is a 75 Year US Government Program
http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q42012/global-warming-is-a-75-year-us-government-program/
Okay, let us start with something.
Are you, coming here, taking what you "learned" from WhiteOutPress and asking basic questions that could be easily answered by a Sociology 101 class online?
Then did you go to Mises Institute and read up there for your theory on economics and someone just handed you a book on Rothbard.
Let's start with something, do you actually believe that Vaccines Cause Autism? I think if you do, that's the start of the problem.
Then here we go with something else Global Research thing you cited.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch
While I hate using a wiki like Rational Wiki, we can at least attest that some people don't like that resource.
As for your specific "evidence" the world's biggest polluter is a country NOT a defense force.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-pentagon-the-climate-elephant-2/5402505
Here's the big hint IT'S CHINA:
http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2015/09/the-worlds-largest-cap-and-trade-program/407371/
http://www.economist.com/news/special-report/21678960-worlds-biggest-polluter-cleans-up-seeing-daylight
No, I'm not going to start here, here's the problem.
You have been badly educated by a series of people and lead to believe bad things. This is not to say that someone cannot become well educated and well reasoned through research. Thus far, you cannot even hit at the ball because you're trying to hit the ball with your feet.
You want to play with the big dogs?
Read stuff that actually answers some of these basic fundamental problems you're having, which it isn't hard.
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monarchical government; episcopal government.
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What you are trying to talk about is trying to equate the use of secular religion and the tendency for humans to attach certain emotions to an institutions such as trust, love, and so forth and place it towards a nation. You see the emotional attachment and customs that extend from nationalism as a form of religion. Dude, it's called Secular Religion.
Definition of secular religion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_religion
That's word you want to argue with when using your "nationalism=religion" or "global climate change=religion" tautology here.
I'm not trying to talk down to you, I understand you got these "ideas" swirling around and around and you want to express this "new found wisdom to the internets" or whatever. For all I know you're some 45 year old woman with 2.5 kids and working as a marketing director for a major international corporation.
But I am going to assume you're 15-35 white male that has an affinity for the internet who probably saw Ron Paul Revolution "back in the day" or were influenced being a college student or "self discovery through the internet" through the Mises Institute.
So let's say this, you need to go back to the basics to make a better argument. I'm presuming you've read Rothbard, but you cannot take all the basics from Rothbard and friends. You need to go outside of that, and go back to cover a lot of areas. I mean we're talking having a modern education with good math and theory foundation to understand the various problems that are going on here. I for one see this "trap," there's an under education trap with civics education to explain these basics and so people, like anything, seek out their friends help. It's like trying to understand how sex works through talking to your best friend in high school who only made it to second base.
So I'll just say it.
You ain't been taught right. Some people have done you a great disservice.
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That's a much better start, but not something good enough.
There are much better educated anarcho-capitalists out there, you need to network with them to raise your game and read some of the "better materials" out there to better argue this stuff. This is why people approach you with reticence, since many here have already done the "big research" to the "fundamental questions." I'm not even trying to move you away from your politics, but these axioms and answers can be done with a good online course in things like Sociology, Psychology, and so forth. Learning the basics, reading some basic books and then scaffolding upwards to read more advanced works that answer more advanced questions and retaining more theory and history and studies. You can learn more.
I'm not trying to make your life suck here or infer you're "a fool." I feel that taking the time out of reading some of these stranger sites that serve no purpose than to warp you from the truth to a preconceived prepackaged worldview. You will find that the real conspiracies and the real contradictions can and will support your worldview as of now very well without the help from shady people like those of White Out Press.
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Typho0nn's ability to only source his posts from conspiracy theorists and alt-news is actually kind of impressive when you think about it.
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No. Because hospital bombings. Or climate change. Or Obummer. Or Trump! Conspiracy! Israel! See, I can go on wild tangents too.
Moving on?
Your basic confusion here is that "points of similarity' does not equal "same thing". Rollerblades and airplanes both have wheels. Not the same thing.
You don't seem to be making anything close to a coherent argument. You're just saying stuff.
A coherent argument might look like...
"People put trust in excess of what is warranted by evidence in their governments. This is highly similar to religious thinking. Under a broad definition, we could consider 'faith in government' to be equivalent to 'faith in the catholic church'. Therefore, I'd argue that the average catholic's faith in the pope is equivalent to the average citizen's faith in their chosen political leader. As we consider this form of thinking to be religious in nature, we should consider the product of this form of thinking to be a religion."
See? It's a coherent argument. Premises, following statements, a conclusion. Everything's on topic too. It's still wrong, but it's coherent. That's a huge step up.
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Yea that's how they build their algorithms are built towards preferences that are user based rather than towards achieving a more balanced form of research towards the best topics. It's all about hits, keywords, and so forth. That and Google sells it's search engine to several major websites. There's an entire thing actually called Search Engine Optimization in marketing.
It's bad, real bad.
Buuuuuuuuuuuuut that's not the least of the problem. Anarcho-Capitalists, the young ones anyway, tend, well heavily trend enough, you know how Ron Paul at his worst comes off as the know-it all college kid that wants to lecture everybody on morality and the "BIG questions on government and life because we're all SO wrong?" That's the entire problem. "I BELIEVE in these resources" and then they get revealed and those resources suck.
You want a smart anarcho capitalist? Try David D. Friedman, Robert Nozick, and Bryan Caplan. The basics of their own worldviews can be poked fairly easily, but at least they try harder and put up much better arguments. I don't suggest Rothbard, because he's, well, fails to explain why markets weren't used to solve ALL the world's problems and why they're a really great idea to use everything. Meanwhile, selling unwanted babies is a form of chattel slavery or at least rhymes enough with it to make people get really squicky and other ideas that don't translate well to mainstream. And I will say this now, selling one of his solutions, baby selling, in the middle of a black neighborhood will invite an uproar. And this is why Rothbard isn't mainstream. Because his ideas either were implemented in some fashion and failed or it takes some really obscure history points to comprehend what he's thinking and those time periods had violence issues.
Most of these could be answered reading some of the books from the Mises Institute and Austrian Economics dogma for him and books like Anarchy, State, and Utopia. It's like he read a few books, then started reading the bad references and used Rothbard's worldview like a hermit crab shell intellectually which grazing upon conspiracies.
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No, Nationalism is much bigger than tribalism. You can belong to different tribes within a nation. Nations are lines drawn on maps under flags, enforced with guns, nationalism is the belief these lines are real. Some tribes say in America and Australia, the Indians and Aboriginals do not want to belong to these conceptual lines.
I think the best things are ran by anarchy say the internet. And the worst are ran by a single leader, say Rome or Nazi Germany.
Greed, so it's the free stuff they get from the government that keeps them coming back?
Yep so that's a government with say a 'singular leader' and people are going to belief they can change things with their targets. When if they people just went out and invested in their own solar, grew their own food and cycled there would not be this big of a pollution problem. Self sustainability is closer to anarchy and will help more against 'climate change' than believing the government is going to change.
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I will argue that nationalism is a type of religion, but I never said global climate change was. Do not put words in others mouths, it's hard to debate :S
ass-u-me is a bad start, but yeah I am between those ages. No affinity for the net, only use mobile internet (have an 'affinity' for magic and other things.) Yeah I like Ron Paul. not the Mises Institute.
I'm assuming you are 24 White, Socialist, American, Bernie Sanders supporter, Have affinity for the internet and videos and games, have a degree from college or currently doing another one since you swapped. Play 1 racket sport, probably about 5'9, 75 kg.
Just because I have different views does not mean I ain't been taught right. But I would not want to be 'taught right', that sounds lame and boring and unproductive, I would rather mix things up a bit. I could say the same thing back to you but i don't wanna start with the ad homenims.
You just did! So best just say what you mean, I know how doofuses like to juggle words.
But lets face the facts, the US government is a huge polluter too as well as China.
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In fact, if we were just talking about one single individual (not the world at large), the number of locations on the planet where they could grow enough food to sustain themselves indefinitely and generate enough power to live a lifestyle most people today would associate with the concept of "first world country" is extremely limited, and even more limited if they intend to do so year-round. (Example: My uncle has solar panels for a roof of a four-bedroom house. But, since he lives in Minnesota, he only generates enough power to cut his electric bill in half during the summer, and less in the winter.)
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It's not that everyone would have to do it all at once, it would be for people to do what they can. We are not going back to the stone age we will still have technology, and obviously some will be able to produce more. Once more is produced trade will occure and the 'science, technology, the arts, everything' will still develop. It would be pretty much the same system we have now, but instead of paying tax to a government you would buy your own solar panels.
I am saying we as individual people can be doing more to prevent climate change, rather than believing government is going to do something about it. Sustainability would happen quicker if the individual was more responsible. Rather having that empty window space there would be a tomato plant on it growing tomatoes...
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So what are you doing?
What are you doing first!?
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I aquaculture sea life so that less has to be taken from the ocean. I am only one guy but I hear if everyone does it I hear we would not have to harvest anything from the ocean. It might not be practical for everyone to keep multiple large tanks in their living room but hey its a start. Now will you answer my question?
You are the one who is trumpeting the individual responsibility line, so I think you have the greater obligation to front up in terms of 'practising-what-you-preach' aversion of hypocrisy. I simply, and others here, simply don't have that obligation because we don't support this notion of individual responsibility, but more of group responsibility.
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That sounds like a reasonable thing to do. I live minimally, I cycle, I grow a variety of herbs, veggies and fruit. I would like to expand out more on a farm one day when I get enough for some land. Build an Earthship mansion, live off the grid and produce more than I can eat and capitalize off the rest.
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Growing enough food to feed people is a full-time job, but it scales pretty well. One person can spend all of their time to feed him or herself, but one person can also do enough work to feed multiple people; this is part of why we have things like farms and farmers. This frees up others from the effort of keeping themselves from starvation, giving them the time required to do other things. Like innovate. Progress.
Even if it were possible for everyone in the world to do subsistence farming (it's not), that would leave the world stagnant.
Now, if you're saying that some people could farm extra food, which others trade for... that is exactly what happens now! On a much larger scale than what you seem to want, but that's what is required in order to feed the world. Subsistence farming is not practical in the modern day. It's not an issue of government, either, outside of something like Venezuela's government-run grocery stores (which are... um... empty).
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I am not saying to stop life as we have it so the rest of your argument is irreverent. I am saying when someone gets home from their 9-5 job in a factory producing solar panels, they can water their plants that they have around the home, and pick a nice fresh dinner of veggies. They can also have a fish pond in the back yard... etc... and buy some pork from down the road. Instead of growing it on a mass produced farm hundreds of Km's away, sprayed with pesticides n herbicides. Crude-Oil based products used to fertilize it. its pretty disgusting to think some people eat that.
" Like innovate."
Yes we can innovate!!! Like growing a plant! There seems to be a lot of great things the individual can do towards climate change compared to the government.
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So what about people who do not have a yard to grow food in or a direct roof above them to mount a solar panel like anyone living in a multi-story building?how does this utopia of innovation work with those individuals.
On the other hand the government is capable of promoting sustainable farming practices and financing solar/wind/hydroelectric energy projects on large enough scale to help many many people. Heck before I moved recently my home's power came of a hydroelectric plant financed and operated by the federal government.
They could have wind turbines, or solar panels at the top of the building, Maybe the building has shared power, and they can grow an aquaponics system under some LED lights. If they are living in a small unit they are probably consuming minimally. Innovate...
It's good that the government got behind a project like that, but it is still people and businesses that built it. It can be done privately, but then people might kick up a stink that it will destroy animals habitats...
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That is a pretty good idea you have there but of course in that situation you would need some sort of organization to ensure that the power is distributed correctly and it is managed properly as well making sure the collective hydroponics systems are also managed properly and distributed correctly, then BAM you've got yourself a governing body congrats.
The dam in question was built by the Army corp of engineers and is still managed by them as well so really entirely the government there as well.
Or a business if you were an anarcho-capitalist that cared about sustainability and your clients cared too.
Well if it's ran by the government its probably powering something that is for the government. Probably Military or 'defense' as Americans like to call it.
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