I've heard it used on twitter anywhere from claiming that someone is mansplaining when a man explains to a woman why they're wrong, to just plain old responding, to explaining something that the man doesn't understand that well to a woman that's an expert. I think it's a valid complaint for the last example, but the first two are ridiculous.
Clearly the first two are sort of stupid. My first impression from the term is that it would mean men making excuses poorly, especially to do with housework or parenting, things stereotypically associated with females more than males. Might that be what it means? Or is it clearly used in a broader way like you mentioned?
"Mansplaining" is typically used when a man tries to tell a woman what women's issues are really about.
It SHOULD be used when someone is being condescending, and quite legitimately so. If, for example, a guy decides he needs to tell women why they really act the way they do while on a period, like he's an expert. Or to shut down guys who won't give the benefit of the doubt to women about their own life experiences and the shared experiences of women in general. But it can also be used just to shut down a discussion that they don't want to respond to.
We were already talking about this in WCT when discussing feminism. The reality is that people get tired of rehashing the same points over and over again. Or maybe they just don't understand the finer details of their points as well as they think they do, or they can't articulate their experiences in a way that will make someone who doesn't share them understand, or any of a thousand other reasons.
Twitter isn't exactly a formal debate space. I don't know why you would want to argue with someone there in the first place. The only reason I argue here on debate is that it helps me refine my own beliefs. Sometimes I find the way I felt about something doesn't stack up against a good argument, and I change my views (although I feel like I'm in the minority, here), but usually it helps me better refine those views to respond to common criticisms.
Do you think it is possible to use the word 'mansplaining' without being condescending? Or, for that matter, sexist?
Well, it should be used to respond to a condescending or sexist argument, but it is inherently condescending and sexist. I didn't say it was a particularly good term, but having it be misused is even worse.
Maybe but who cares. The amount of misandry that men experience in a lifetime pales so greatly in comparison to the amount of misogyny women face in a lifetime that I think a man having to face a bit of adversity is a good thing because it might provide a small frame of reference from which that man can derive some sense of empathy.
Maybe but who cares. The amount of misandry that men experience in a lifetime pales so greatly in comparison to the amount of misogyny women face in a lifetime that I think a man having to face a bit of adversity is a good thing because it might provide a small frame of reference from which that man can derive some sense of empathy.
Every single quality of life indicator favors women (in developed countries). Women are happier, healthier, safer, wealthier etc etc., hell men are even the majority of rape victims. There is no meaningful evidence that women have it "a million times worse then men" or even a little worse then men on average.
As humans, we have a tendency to cling to ideologies. Any positive set of beliefs can quickly turn malevolent once treated as ideology and not an honest intellectual or experiential pursuit of greater truth. Ideology does in entire economic systems and countries, causes religions to massacre thousands, turns human rights movements into authoritarian sects and makes fools out of humanity’s most brilliant minds. Einstein famously wasted the second half of his career trying to calculate a cosmological constant that didn’t exist because “God doesn’t play dice.”
Maybe but who cares. The amount of misandry that men experience in a lifetime pales so greatly in comparison to the amount of misogyny women face in a lifetime that I think a man having to face a bit of adversity is a good thing because it might provide a small frame of reference from which that man can derive some sense of empathy.
Every single quality of life indicator favors women (in developed countries). Women are happier, healthier, safer, wealthier etc etc., hell men are even the majority of rape victims. There is no meaningful evidence that women have it "a million times worse then men" or even a little worse then men on average.
1. Baloney
2. I wasn't talking about quality of life. I was talking about how men are treated by the opposite sex versus how women are treated by the opposite sex. I have no idea how often I've faced misandry because I literally cannot remember the last time I felt talked down to or denigrated because of my gender. I doubt I could find a woman who would say the same thing.
3. Who are you quoting there?
Maybe but who cares. The amount of misandry that men experience in a lifetime pales so greatly in comparison to the amount of misogyny women face in a lifetime that I think a man having to face a bit of adversity is a good thing because it might provide a small frame of reference from which that man can derive some sense of empathy.
Every single quality of life indicator favors women (in developed countries). Women are happier, healthier, safer, wealthier etc etc., hell men are even the majority of rape victims. There is no meaningful evidence that women have it "a million times worse then men" or even a little worse then men on average.
Do you have a citation for that? It's an interesting claim.
Does all of this tubmlr-centric bull***** exist outside of the internet? Good god. I've never once in my 30 years heard anyone *****ing about misandry or misogyny in real every day life.
Nearly 1 in 5 women (18.3%) and 1 in 71 men (1.4%) in the United States have been raped at some time in their lives
Approximately 1 in 21 men (4.8%) reported that they were made to penetrate someone else during their lifetime; most men who were made to penetrate someone else reported that the perpetrator was either an intimate partner (44.8%) or an acquaintance (44.7%)
An estimated 13% of women and 6% of men have experienced sexual coercion in their lifetime (i.e., unwanted sexual penetration after being pressured in a nonphysical way); and 27.2% of women and 11.7% of men have experienced unwanted sexual contact.
The statistics show, time and time again, that the majority of sexual-oriented abuse victims are women. Whether you want to define that as rape, stalking, coercion, or unwanted contact. Rape, as defined by the victim, is 12 times as likely for a female than a male. If we want to use the higher statistic of men being "made to penetrate someone else" as our statistic for rape (only some of which was defined as rape by the victim, and those numbers are included in the other 1.4%), then we are still looking at at least 4 times as many women as men are raped in the US.
This is all from the 2010 National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey by the CDC.
This was not a statistics on reported rape either. Only 1 in 7 female victims report their rape, while only 1 in 10 male victims report. This was discussed in the study, and does not affect the results, as it was not based upon reports. The study has only a small margin of error. While this small margin could cause the numbers to shift slightly, it would definitely not account for doubling, tripling, or duodecupling the percentage of male-victim rape.
Does all of this tubmlr-centric bull***** exist outside of the internet? Good god. I've never once in my 30 years heard anyone *****ing about misandry or misogyny in real every day life.
As someone who has lived in a highly socially liberal/hipster city, yes, this is actually a thing. Mostly on "progressive" college campuses.
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Does all of this tubmlr-centric bull***** exist outside of the internet? Good god. I've never once in my 30 years heard anyone *****ing about misandry or misogyny in real every day life.
College, really. I mean, it pops up during politics, but when it comes down to dealing with reality it doesn't show up much. The male-female BS and most times racism don't play much of a part in typical society, despite what people like to claim.
Do you think it is possible to use the word 'mansplaining' without being condescending? Or, for that matter, sexist?
Well, it should be used to respond to a condescending or sexist argument, but it is inherently condescending and sexist. I didn't say it was a particularly good term, but having it be misused is even worse.
I don't think there's a circumstance in which one would use the (alleged) word "mansplaining" where a word like "condescending" or "patronizing" would not communicate the same idea more clearly and less obnoxiously. (Hell, "patronizing" is even gendered.) "Mansplaining" is just a buzzword, used like a flag to display a particular sociopolitical allegiance rather than to actually talk to people. And as far as coinages go it's a freaking trainwreck. I mean, at least say something moderately clever like "sexplaining".
Maybe but who cares. The amount of misandry that men experience in a lifetime pales so greatly in comparison to the amount of misogyny women face in a lifetime that I think a man having to face a bit of adversity is a good thing because it might provide a small frame of reference from which that man can derive some sense of empathy.
Can I punch you in the face and say it's a good thing because it gives you some empathy for the unfortunate people who get punched in the face all the time? Or are those people unfortunate precisely because it's a bad thing to get punched in the face, and therefore it's directly counterproductive to start punching more people in the face?
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The statistics show, time and time again, that the majority of sexual-oriented abuse victims are women. Whether you want to define that as rape, stalking, coercion, or unwanted contact. Rape, as defined by the victim, is 12 times as likely for a female than a male. If we want to use the higher statistic of men being "made to penetrate someone else" as our statistic for rape (only some of which was defined as rape by the victim, and those numbers are included in the other 1.4%), then we are still looking at at least 4 times as many women as men are raped in the US.
This is all from the 2010 National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey by the CDC.
This was not a statistics on reported rape either. Only 1 in 7 female victims report their rape, while only 1 in 10 male victims report. This was discussed in the study, and does not affect the results, as it was not based upon reports. The study has only a small margin of error. While this small margin could cause the numbers to shift slightly, it would definitely not account for doubling, tripling, or duodecupling the percentage of male-victim rape.
Filters are used to erase male poverty by excluding the unemployed and homeless from studies on poverty and the filters to erase male victims of DV are fully institutionalized (see predominant aggressor laws).
As humans, we have a tendency to cling to ideologies. Any positive set of beliefs can quickly turn malevolent once treated as ideology and not an honest intellectual or experiential pursuit of greater truth. Ideology does in entire economic systems and countries, causes religions to massacre thousands, turns human rights movements into authoritarian sects and makes fools out of humanity’s most brilliant minds. Einstein famously wasted the second half of his career trying to calculate a cosmological constant that didn’t exist because “God doesn’t play dice.”
This article does not make an apples-to-apples comparison. The two key numbers it uses are "216,000 inmates were sexually assaulted while serving time" and "90,479 rape cases outside of prison." What do each of these numbers mean?
The "90,479" rape cases are instances of forcible rape of women (and only women - the FBI uses a definition that counts rape of men as sexual assault). It's collected by having police departments report the number of cases they have to the FBI. The 216,000 is from a survey of prisoners, male and female, and includes the following acts:
Sexual victimization—all types of sexual activity, e.g., oral, anal, or vaginal penetration; hand jobs; touching of the inmate’s buttocks, thighs, *****, breasts, or ****** in a sexual way; abusive sexual contacts; and both willing and unwilling sexual activity with staff.
This is a far more broad definition than what is used for the 90k figure. Additionally, the UCR's methodology is substantially different. A survey of potential victims results in much higher numbers than a survey of police departments.
The rate of rape in prison is horrifically high for both genders (in fact, women in prison are more likely to be raped than men in prison, but the number of male prison rape victims is much higher because the number of male prisoners is much higher). And including it definitely brings the gender-ratio for rape victimization much closer to equal. But this Daily Mail article is not presenting a sound analysis.
EDIT: The source for the 216,000 figure is from this regulatory proposal:
It breaks the number down by type of victimization in a table on page 15. We can see from that that the "forcible rape" number comes to 69,800. This is a closer comparison to the 90,479 in terms of which acts fit the bill.
Please stop posting in my thread. Whenever you post, you're always spouting misogynistic anti-feminist beliefs. You and all of the other MRA/MGTOW/whatevers are ridiculous. "But muh men's rights." STFU. I honestly can't take you seriously and I don't know why other people even bother responding to you. Hell you even have MRA in your name. You are an obvious troll.
Maybe but who cares. The amount of misandry that men experience in a lifetime pales so greatly in comparison to the amount of misogyny women face in a lifetime that I think a man having to face a bit of adversity is a good thing because it might provide a small frame of reference from which that man can derive some sense of empathy.
How would you determine that net misogyny (whatever that would be) is more abundant/severe than net misandry (whatever that would be)? Gender roles impact individuals of both genders in countless ways that aren't even comparable. For instance, men are more likely to go to prison or commit suicide than women,
Women attempt suicide more than men (the more important statistics really), men are apparently just more successful at doing it (which is thought to be because they tend to hide symptoms of depression).
It's the methods they choose. Men tend towards sudden, violent means like a gunshot, women towards slower means like a pill overdose. I've heard it speculated that men are actually trying to die where with women it's more a cry for help, but I don't think I buy that -- way too nice and cute an explanation, with an undercurrent of that "women are indecisive" stereotype. But whatever the reason behind it, it's easier for a hospital to fix an OD than a bullet in the brain, so women survive more.
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Women attempt suicide more than men (the more important statistics really), men are apparently just more successful at doing it (which is thought to be because they tend to hide symptoms of depression).
It's the methods they choose. Men tend towards sudden, violent means like a gunshot, women towards slower means like a pill overdose. I've heard it speculated that men are actually trying to die where with women it's more a cry for help, but I don't think I buy that -- way too nice and cute an explanation, with an undercurrent of that "women are indecisive" stereotype. But whatever the reason behind it, it's easier for a hospital to fix an OD than a bullet in the brain, so women survive more.
It's probably a combination of factors, like a lot of things.
Maybe but who cares. The amount of misandry that men experience in a lifetime pales so greatly in comparison to the amount of misogyny women face in a lifetime that I think a man having to face a bit of adversity is a good thing because it might provide a small frame of reference from which that man can derive some sense of empathy.
How would you determine that net misogyny (whatever that would be) is more abundant/severe than net misandry (whatever that would be)? Gender roles impact individuals of both genders in countless ways that aren't even comparable. For instance, men are more likely to go to prison or commit suicide than women,
Don't forget the wage gap, where women in the same position and job earn less than their male coworkers. Wage gap deniers point towards men in higher earning positions and women going on maternity leave to explain the difference, but that simply isn't the case.
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On your first point, it is thought that men are more likely to perceive admitting depression as admitting a weakness and wish therefore to deny it- See the first link I gave. Fundamentally, because of cultural expectations of masculinity compared to femininity. Stereotypes may not be fair, but they are relevant in that they can be partially self-fulfilling, exaggerating trends by warping cultural perceptions.
The claim that women are worse off in general does not constitute gender warfare. It merely puts issues into context. It doesn't need to a claim with much of a conviction to be made, we can accept that things that seem to be true, we don't need to prove they are true in order to have an understanding of sorts. I fully admit that I don't know women are worse off in general, but it does seem to be true based on what I do know.
Definitely, addressing individual issues and generally encouraging positive attitudes and behaviours is the way to go. Trying to drill people with the idea that women are worse off is not a good idea, I agree, I was merely recognising the conclusion of what I know, whether or not that conclusion would be supported by the rest of the evidence, it remains true that it is conclusion of the evidence I have seen.
Getting back to the whole "mansplaining" thing, I was under the impression that it was essentially a poor term for "bull*****ting". Essentially, the fact that men bull***** all the time has been highlighted by women who are actually more well informed on the topic at hand. Men do so to try to impress, and it's fallen on deaf ears because women in general are as educated as men nowadays. So yes, it's a misandrist term because it is gender based (and women bull***** plenty), but the long and short of it is trying to call people out on trying to sound smarter than they are. "Womansplaining" would certainly be an interesting thing to contemplate.
Getting back to the whole "mansplaining" thing, I was under the impression that it was essentially a poor term for "bull*****ting". Essentially, the fact that men bull***** all the time has been highlighted by women who are actually more well informed on the topic at hand.
Yeah, whenever I've seen the term used it's been because a woman has been talking about something she experienced and random guys jumped in to tell her that's not what happened even though she lived the event. I've never seen people get called out for mansplaining if they were already part of a conversation or if they were actually asked to talk about something.
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Women attempt suicide more than men (the more important statistics really), men are apparently just more successful at doing it (which is thought to be because they tend to hide symptoms of depression). Women are also the more frequent victims of rape and domestic abuse and receive more serious harassment on the internet. The way to determine the differences is by looking at the statistics for various things, and it generally shows that women are noticeably worse of, though not greatly worse off. Things have gotten better for women, but there's a little bit further to go before the issue is resolved. It's not an institutionalised, systematic problem anymore (like some feminists will claim), but there remains a individualistic issue of people's day to day behaviour being a little unfair.
Then I could ask: why are men more likely to hide symptoms of depression?
But this was just an example; the point of my argument is that differences between men and women are so vast and complex that this approach of "men are worse off in general" or "women are worse off in general" is not very practical, not very effective and very hard to properly justify. The right approach to discrimination is to tackle the specific issues where it can be identified. Not turn it into a gender war.
It's because of outdated gender roles, that say that men should be men, not cry or show any bad emotions, and just man up and tough it out, walk it off.
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It SHOULD be used when someone is being condescending, and quite legitimately so. If, for example, a guy decides he needs to tell women why they really act the way they do while on a period, like he's an expert. Or to shut down guys who won't give the benefit of the doubt to women about their own life experiences and the shared experiences of women in general. But it can also be used just to shut down a discussion that they don't want to respond to.
We were already talking about this in WCT when discussing feminism. The reality is that people get tired of rehashing the same points over and over again. Or maybe they just don't understand the finer details of their points as well as they think they do, or they can't articulate their experiences in a way that will make someone who doesn't share them understand, or any of a thousand other reasons.
Twitter isn't exactly a formal debate space. I don't know why you would want to argue with someone there in the first place. The only reason I argue here on debate is that it helps me refine my own beliefs. Sometimes I find the way I felt about something doesn't stack up against a good argument, and I change my views (although I feel like I'm in the minority, here), but usually it helps me better refine those views to respond to common criticisms.
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Every single quality of life indicator favors women (in developed countries). Women are happier, healthier, safer, wealthier etc etc., hell men are even the majority of rape victims. There is no meaningful evidence that women have it "a million times worse then men" or even a little worse then men on average.
2. I wasn't talking about quality of life. I was talking about how men are treated by the opposite sex versus how women are treated by the opposite sex. I have no idea how often I've faced misandry because I literally cannot remember the last time I felt talked down to or denigrated because of my gender. I doubt I could find a woman who would say the same thing.
3. Who are you quoting there?
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The statistics show, time and time again, that the majority of sexual-oriented abuse victims are women. Whether you want to define that as rape, stalking, coercion, or unwanted contact. Rape, as defined by the victim, is 12 times as likely for a female than a male. If we want to use the higher statistic of men being "made to penetrate someone else" as our statistic for rape (only some of which was defined as rape by the victim, and those numbers are included in the other 1.4%), then we are still looking at at least 4 times as many women as men are raped in the US.
This is all from the 2010 National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey by the CDC.
This was not a statistics on reported rape either. Only 1 in 7 female victims report their rape, while only 1 in 10 male victims report. This was discussed in the study, and does not affect the results, as it was not based upon reports. The study has only a small margin of error. While this small margin could cause the numbers to shift slightly, it would definitely not account for doubling, tripling, or duodecupling the percentage of male-victim rape.
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As someone who has lived in a highly socially liberal/hipster city, yes, this is actually a thing. Mostly on "progressive" college campuses.
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College, really. I mean, it pops up during politics, but when it comes down to dealing with reality it doesn't show up much. The male-female BS and most times racism don't play much of a part in typical society, despite what people like to claim.
Can I punch you in the face and say it's a good thing because it gives you some empathy for the unfortunate people who get punched in the face all the time? Or are those people unfortunate precisely because it's a bad thing to get punched in the face, and therefore it's directly counterproductive to start punching more people in the face?
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That is until you remove the various filters that have been put in place to erase male victims...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2449454/More-men-raped-US-women-including-prison-sexual-abuse.html
Filters are used to erase male poverty by excluding the unemployed and homeless from studies on poverty and the filters to erase male victims of DV are fully institutionalized (see predominant aggressor laws).
Jay13x...here's one site to start with http://www.businessinsider.com/women-now-control-more-than-half-of-us-personal-wealth-2015-4. Then just Google women are X more then men. X-can be well any quality of life indicator, women have more money, women live longer, women have more sex, women have less stress, etc. etc.
This article does not make an apples-to-apples comparison. The two key numbers it uses are "216,000 inmates were sexually assaulted while serving time" and "90,479 rape cases outside of prison." What do each of these numbers mean?
The "90,479" rape cases are instances of forcible rape of women (and only women - the FBI uses a definition that counts rape of men as sexual assault). It's collected by having police departments report the number of cases they have to the FBI. The 216,000 is from a survey of prisoners, male and female, and includes the following acts:
This is a far more broad definition than what is used for the 90k figure. Additionally, the UCR's methodology is substantially different. A survey of potential victims results in much higher numbers than a survey of police departments.
The rate of rape in prison is horrifically high for both genders (in fact, women in prison are more likely to be raped than men in prison, but the number of male prison rape victims is much higher because the number of male prisoners is much higher). And including it definitely brings the gender-ratio for rape victimization much closer to equal. But this Daily Mail article is not presenting a sound analysis.
EDIT: The source for the 216,000 figure is from this regulatory proposal:
http://ojp.gov/programs/pdfs/prea_nprm_iria.pdf
It breaks the number down by type of victimization in a table on page 15. We can see from that that the "forcible rape" number comes to 69,800. This is a closer comparison to the 90,479 in terms of which acts fit the bill.
Please stop posting in my thread. Whenever you post, you're always spouting misogynistic anti-feminist beliefs. You and all of the other MRA/MGTOW/whatevers are ridiculous. "But muh men's rights." STFU. I honestly can't take you seriously and I don't know why other people even bother responding to you. Hell you even have MRA in your name. You are an obvious troll.
Women attempt suicide more than men (the more important statistics really), men are apparently just more successful at doing it (which is thought to be because they tend to hide symptoms of depression). Women are also the more frequent victims of rape and domestic abuse and receive more serious harassment on the internet. The way to determine the differences is by looking at the statistics for various things, and it generally shows that women are noticeably worse of, though not greatly worse off. Things have gotten better for women, but there's a little bit further to go before the issue is resolved. It's not an institutionalised, systematic problem anymore (like some feminists will claim), but there remains a individualistic issue of people's day to day behaviour being a little unfair.
Some references-
http://www.hsccs.org/poc/view_doc.php?type=doc&id=13737
https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-victims
http://www.safehorizon.org/page/domestic-violence-statistics--facts-52.html
http://www.pewinternet.org/2014/10/22/online-harassment/?beta=true&utm_expid=53098246-2.Lly4CFSVQG2lphsg-KopIg.1&utm_referrer=https://www.google.com.au/
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It's probably a combination of factors, like a lot of things.
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Don't forget the wage gap, where women in the same position and job earn less than their male coworkers. Wage gap deniers point towards men in higher earning positions and women going on maternity leave to explain the difference, but that simply isn't the case.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/upshot/the-pay-gap-is-because-of-gender-not-jobs.html?_r=0
There are some issues with the wage gap argument, but there does seem to be somewhat of a wage gap.
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On your first point, it is thought that men are more likely to perceive admitting depression as admitting a weakness and wish therefore to deny it- See the first link I gave. Fundamentally, because of cultural expectations of masculinity compared to femininity. Stereotypes may not be fair, but they are relevant in that they can be partially self-fulfilling, exaggerating trends by warping cultural perceptions.
The claim that women are worse off in general does not constitute gender warfare. It merely puts issues into context. It doesn't need to a claim with much of a conviction to be made, we can accept that things that seem to be true, we don't need to prove they are true in order to have an understanding of sorts. I fully admit that I don't know women are worse off in general, but it does seem to be true based on what I do know.
Definitely, addressing individual issues and generally encouraging positive attitudes and behaviours is the way to go. Trying to drill people with the idea that women are worse off is not a good idea, I agree, I was merely recognising the conclusion of what I know, whether or not that conclusion would be supported by the rest of the evidence, it remains true that it is conclusion of the evidence I have seen.
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It's because of outdated gender roles, that say that men should be men, not cry or show any bad emotions, and just man up and tough it out, walk it off.