I'm typically against Abortion and can say that the "Anti-Abortion side is winning" in part because people are more aware of their options. However, that the social conservative movement about abstinence only hurts us on the right because we do not have the capacity to deal with the amount of people in our own nature. Even when the Puritans had a high rate of 5-6 month pregnancies after the wedding, we must conclude that pre-marital sex through out history is a high likelihood. The problem is the nature of marriage and work and schools and whether they are conducive towards childrearing and mothers encouraged to keep their children.
What created the babybust recently was the Great Recession. Meanwhile the post WWII economic mass recovery coincided with the Baby Boom, and the 1980's Echo Echo Boom coincided with the Reagan Recovery.
So we can presume that the Echo Echo Echo Boom is starting up right now with the economic recovery, unless if we're heading into another double dip recession.
Either way, when we take a more cosmopolitan view of reproduction we tend to have a more enlightened way to deal with the issue that does not play women into backwater clinics that die of internal bleeding. Rather we have facilities to treat women who want abortions. What we need are stronger areas to deal with unwanted children, but also moves to decrease unwanted pregnancies. Which is in part what the brand Planned Parenthood does.
Killing humans is wrong, but war is supported in the Bible. In that contradiction we live.
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Mate, I'm not sure anyone is really pro abortion so much as wanting it available as a safe option if it's considered necessary. "No woman wants an abortion as she wants an ice cream cone or a Porsche. She wants an abortion as an animal caught in a trap wants to gnaw off its own leg.", is how Frederica Mathewes-Green put it.
Either way, when we take a more cosmopolitan view of reproduction we tend to have a more enlightened way to deal with the issue that does not play women into backwater clinics that die of internal bleeding. Rather we have facilities to treat women who want abortions. What we need are stronger areas to deal with unwanted children, but also moves to decrease unwanted pregnancies. Which is in part what the brand Planned Parenthood does.
Yeah, good sex education and access to contraceptives works wonders for the unwanted pregnancy stat, as do adoption services that aren't terrible. Shooting up medical facilities helps no-one.
Mate, I'm not sure anyone is really pro abortion so much as wanting it available as a safe option if it's considered necessary. "No woman wants an abortion as she wants an ice cream cone or a Porsche. She wants an abortion as an animal caught in a trap wants to gnaw off its own leg.", is how Frederica Mathewes-Green put it.
Either way, when we take a more cosmopolitan view of reproduction we tend to have a more enlightened way to deal with the issue that does not play women into backwater clinics that die of internal bleeding. Rather we have facilities to treat women who want abortions. What we need are stronger areas to deal with unwanted children, but also moves to decrease unwanted pregnancies. Which is in part what the brand Planned Parenthood does.
Yeah, good sex education and access to contraceptives works wonders for the unwanted pregnancy stat, as do adoption services that aren't terrible. Shooting up medical facilities helps no-one.
Good. The dead are partially on their hands. **** 'em.
The question is over the "right to choose" and "women's right to their bodies." Frankly, I just see that as government creepy stuff that makes women's lives more difficult.
When I started understanding why women get abortions and really sought to see why, I understood it's mostly economic. Which makes that quote true. Yes, there are some women who use repeated abortions as a form of birth control. Those are the people that should be targeted for birth control programs, because repeated abortions can and do make pregnancy more difficult later.
Equally, there has been some correlation between the decrease in violent crime that coincides with the rise of consumer electronics and the legalization of abortion. Basically, video games and abortion have perhaps made the world safer.
So taking this altogether, abortion rates have declined as well as the baby bust where statistically we should have seen a rise in abortions we did not. Therefore, the mitigation to total abortion is necessary.
When people make anti-abortion a moral imperative to saving the soul of the country, that's where the problems start. And if we want to reduce further abortions, we ask why people want to kill their children. Simple answer; bad timing such as job training or can't afford them. It's that simple, and that means people have to pay people more and "job creators" need to be on the ball more to hire preggers if they don't want abortions to happen. There's a correlation for Republicans to be economically laissez faire yet socially conservative, which makes for hypocritical issues for women. Even then, the Swiss have issues with women moving from contractor work into the working field.
The core to dealing with women is to get the policy on pregnancy and work-life balance that is pro-woman not pro-corporation. And I'm saying this as a person on the right part of the spectrum that hates abortion. If you get women with good paying jobs, that's a real start to saving children. Not for everyone, but it's a start. A good start. Can't buy baby diapers on love.
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Good. The dead are partially on their hands. **** 'em.
This is sick.
The idea of "stochastic terrorism", I mean. It's a transparent pseudointellectual excuse to call your political opponents "terrorists". It's a disgrace to free political discourse, it's a disgrace to real stochastic analysis, and it's a disgrace to you for repeating it.
Look at it this way. If somebody shoots Mike Huckabee tomorrow, fired up by rhetoric like "the real perpetrators likely will continue to have access to pulpits... hoping we all won’t notice that the hands clutching the podium are covered in blood", does that make Valerie Tarico a stochastic terrorist? Or is it only when "the targeted person or group is gradually dehumanized, depicted as loathsome and dangerous -- arousing a combustible combination of fear and moral disgust" by the other side that it's a predictable incitement to violence?
**** this for self-righteous hypocrisy.
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Look at it this way. If somebody shoots Mike Huckabee tomorrow, fired up by rhetoric like "the real perpetrators likely will continue to have access to pulpits... hoping we all won’t notice that the hands clutching the podium are covered in blood", does that make Valerie Tarico a stochastic terrorist?
If we're using the system in a consistent manner it only counts once multiple people have been attacked by seemingly unconnected individuals united by a common belief or belief system, but yeah, I guess she would.
Strong links exist, law-enforcement officials say, between the handful of leaders who preach that violence is justified and people like Mrs. Shannon who actually do the shootings and bombings.
"Two people convinced me that God is calling them to shoot abortionists," Mrs. Shannon wrote in a letter last April to an anti-abortion newsletter. In an apparent reference to talking to Federal investigators, she added, "I didn't give them those names."
Cheryl Glenn, a special agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms in Portland who has spent two years investigating abortion clinic violence, said, "These people know that as long as they say abortion is murder and it's therefore justified to shoot an abortion doctor, somebody will act it out."
People who track anti-abortion violence strongly doubt that Mrs. Shannon acted alone. But Federal agents said her case illustrates a pattern that has developed in the past two years.
People are not ordered to kill a doctor or burn a clinic in a systematic fashion. Rather, they are inspired by the prayer, writings or visual aids of certain anti-abortion leaders, the authorities said.
"It's the same as trying to hold liable a Mafia capo who says he wants somebody taken out, but doesn't give explicit instructions," said Roger Evans, a lawyer for Planned Parenthood in New York.
If we're using the system in a consistent manner it only counts once multiple people have been attacked by seemingly unconnected individuals united by a common belief or belief system, but yeah, I guess she would.
Except that's not how free speech works.
See, you want to talk about "strong links"? There's a "strong link" between people who perform violence in the name of the KKK and the KKK. Doesn't take a bunch of law enforcement officials to puzzle over that one. Thing is, you cannot hold the KKK legally responsible for such a thing unless the speech is directed to inciting imminent lawless action.
To declare these filmmakers responsible for the violence that erupted is to go against not only the rights of free speech, but also a basic understanding of human agency. Unless you can prove there's something hypnotic about the video that forced that one guy to commit an act of violence, he chose to do so of his own conscious volition. The fault is his own.
Look at it this way. If somebody shoots Mike Huckabee tomorrow, fired up by rhetoric like "the real perpetrators likely will continue to have access to pulpits... hoping we all won’t notice that the hands clutching the podium are covered in blood", does that make Valerie Tarico a stochastic terrorist?
If we're using the system in a consistent manner it only counts once multiple people have been attacked by seemingly unconnected individuals united by a common belief or belief system, but yeah, I guess she would.
If we're using the system in a consistent manner it only counts once multiple people have been attacked by seemingly unconnected individuals united by a common belief or belief system, but yeah, I guess she would.
And yet she shows no hesitation in writing this way. It's almost like she doesn't actually believe what she's saying.
Moving the goalposts. Tarico named the specific names of Carly Fiorina, Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, Mike Huckabee, Ted Cruz, and Rick Santorum. But now Cheryl Glenn is quoted describing incitement as "they say abortion is murder and it's therefore justified to shoot an abortion doctor". Show me one place where Fiorina, Rubio, Bush, Carson, Huckabee, Cruz, Santorum, or even Donald freaking Trump have said that it's justified to shoot an abortion doctor. These people are not "the handful of leaders who preach that violence is justified" any more than your local imam is an ISIS recruiter. They're just people Tarico doesn't like and wants to throw rocks at.
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Ted Cruz has certainly sounded pretty pleased about his endorsement by Operation Rescue and Troy Newman, who has called for abortion providers to be put to death. It's not exactly him saying that shooting abortion doctors is justified, but he certainly doesn't seem to repulsed by the idea.
One of the best ways to show what partisan BS an argument is, is the Mirror Test.
These are stories I have seen over the years...
2 Swedish feminists kidnapped and tortured a 14 year old boy to death because of how angry they were about "the patriarchy"
An unrepentant murderer who killed two 16 year olds out on a date by sodomizing them to death claimed he was avenging Travyon Martin and stated "Black Lives Matter" while staring at the families of the victims in court.
A young black man opened fire on some random white teenagers claiming he was angry about white privilege.
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One of the best ways to show what partisan BS an argument is, is the Mirror Test.
These are stories I have seen over the years...
2 Swedish feminists kidnapped and tortured a 14 year old boy to death because of how angry they were about "the patriarchy"
An unrepentant murderer who killed two 16 year olds out on a date by sodomizing them to death claimed he was avenging Travyon Martin and stated "Black Lives Matter" while staring at the families of the victims in court.
A young black man opened fire on some random white teenagers claiming he was angry about white privilege.
Those are all horrific crimes. I'm not sure what your point is.
[quote from="joandeMRA »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/debate/650280-so-co-planned-parenthood-attack?comment=65"]Those are all horrific crimes. I'm not sure what your point is.
At the risk of agreeing with someone who seems disturbingly like he collects these stories for ammunition in his political crusade:
Nobody is calling mainstream feminists or BLM activists "stochastic terrorists" or otherwise attempting to pin responsibility for these crimes on their rhetoric.
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Nobody is calling mainstream feminists or BLM activists "stochastic terrorists" or otherwise attempting to pin responsibility for these crimes on their rhetoric.
True, but no feminist group or BLM group are calling these people heroes, then throwing their support to a presidential candidate happy to accept it.
The CO Planned Parenthood shooter was hailed as a hero by a disturbing number of mainstream figures in the anti-abortion community, which is a big difference from the cases JMRA mentioned.
Would Thomas Paine, William Lloyd Garrison and Martin Luther King, Jr. count as stochastic terrorists? Because given the description provided, I would say so. And thus all I can ask is, "so what?"
It's a slippery slope to criminalizing them. Which is exactly what the people calling them "murderers" want to do. Not really a valid complaint.
More than that, if you kill someone to stop them committing a murder, that's at the very least justifiable homicide. If abortion doctors are mass murderers, and the police won't stop them, isn't killing them yourself the only moral course? Certainly bombings or assassinations carried out by resistance groups against the Nazis were justified, and there are no shortage of prominent Republicans equating abortion doctors to the perpetrators of the holocaust.
Prominent Republicans? Quotes with sources, please.
Huckabee:
“It might be for the last 35 years, we have aborted more than a million people who would have been in our work force had we not had the holocaust of liberalized abortion under a flawed Supreme Court ruling in 1973,"
"If you felt something incredibly powerful at Auschwitz and Birkenau over the 11 million killed worldwide and the 1.5 million killed on those grounds, cannot we feel something extraordinary about 55 million murdered in our own country in the wombs of their mothers?"
“And now we are called into this incredible Holocaust of our own in America,” Huckabee continued. “Fifty-five million babies. Fifty-five million babies since 1973 have died in what ought to be the safest place in the world, their mother’s womb. It has become one of the most dangerous places for a baby to be."
Cruz:
“Recently we have all seen the videos of the behind the scenes dealings at Planned Parenthood facilities. Activities that most Americans find horribly offensive. But even more appalling is that we as tax payers fund these activities,” the letter. “We cannot allow this to continue. Only our pastor’s and church leaders have enough influence to put a stop to this holocaust. ”
Santorum:
“The title of the book is ‘How Do You Kill 11 Million People?’ He could have retitled it ‘How Do You Kill 55 Million People Here In America?’” he said. “This book is about the Holocaust. And you know what his answer was, in one simple sentence? How do you kill 11 million people? You lie to them. Planned Parenthood, the abortion industry, Roe v. Wade, all of it is based on a lie about when a child becomes a human being.”
Comparisons of the holocaust with abortion is so common-place among Republicans that it's not even noteworthy anymore.
More than that, if you kill someone to stop them committing a murder, that's at the very least justifiable homicide.
Not in cold blood. The homicide victim must pose an imminent threat, and the perpetrator must reasonably believe that no course of action short of lethal force will end the threat. An abortion doctor is an imminent threat only when actually in the operating room, and almost certainly will stop performing the procedure well short of having to be killed. So even granting that abortion is murder, assassinating an abortion doctor is also murder.
Certainly bombings or assassinations carried out by resistance groups against the Nazis were justified, and there are no shortage of prominent Republicans equating abortion doctors to the perpetrators of the holocaust.
People equate freaking meter maids to the perpetrators of the Holocaust. That doesn't mean they're calling for a violent insurgency against the DMV; it just means they're proving Godwin right.
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Not in cold blood. The homicide victim must pose an imminent threat, and the perpetrator must reasonably believe that no course of action short of lethal force will end the threat. An abortion doctor is an imminent threat only when actually in the operating room, and almost certainly will stop performing the procedure well short of having to be killed. So even granting that abortion is murder, assassinating an abortion doctor is also murder.
Nice strawman tho.
Sure, by the letter of the law, it would take specific circumstances to make killing an abortion doctor into justifiable homicide. But consider resistance attacks against the Nazis. No one was killing an SS guard while they had their hand on the gas chamber switch.
If your neighbor were killing children by the dozen, would you wait until you could catch them in the act to do something about it?
People equate freaking meter maids to the perpetrators of the Holocaust. That doesn't mean they're calling for a violent insurgency against the DMV; it just means they're proving Godwin right.
Those people are being intentionally hyperbolic. Do you think Mike Huckabee is being hyperbolic?
Sure, by the letter of the law, it would take specific circumstances to make killing an abortion doctor into justifiable homicide. But consider resistance attacks against the Nazis. No one was killing an SS guard while they had their hand on the gas chamber switch.
Resistance attacks were carried out in state of war. After the war -- and even, when possible, during the war -- war criminals were captured and tried.
If your neighbor were killing children by the dozen, would you wait until you could catch them in the act to do something about it?
"Do something about it" != "kill them". Pro-lifers are doing lots of things about it. They just tend to take the form of "trying to get the law changed" and "persuading people of their point of view" rather than the murder you'd apparently prefer.
http://time.com/4193294/planned-parenthood-videos-indictment/
What created the babybust recently was the Great Recession. Meanwhile the post WWII economic mass recovery coincided with the Baby Boom, and the 1980's Echo Echo Boom coincided with the Reagan Recovery.
So we can presume that the Echo Echo Echo Boom is starting up right now with the economic recovery, unless if we're heading into another double dip recession.
Either way, when we take a more cosmopolitan view of reproduction we tend to have a more enlightened way to deal with the issue that does not play women into backwater clinics that die of internal bleeding. Rather we have facilities to treat women who want abortions. What we need are stronger areas to deal with unwanted children, but also moves to decrease unwanted pregnancies. Which is in part what the brand Planned Parenthood does.
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Yeah, good sex education and access to contraceptives works wonders for the unwanted pregnancy stat, as do adoption services that aren't terrible. Shooting up medical facilities helps no-one.
Good. The dead are partially on their hands. **** 'em.
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The question is over the "right to choose" and "women's right to their bodies." Frankly, I just see that as government creepy stuff that makes women's lives more difficult.
When I started understanding why women get abortions and really sought to see why, I understood it's mostly economic. Which makes that quote true. Yes, there are some women who use repeated abortions as a form of birth control. Those are the people that should be targeted for birth control programs, because repeated abortions can and do make pregnancy more difficult later.
Equally, there has been some correlation between the decrease in violent crime that coincides with the rise of consumer electronics and the legalization of abortion. Basically, video games and abortion have perhaps made the world safer.
So taking this altogether, abortion rates have declined as well as the baby bust where statistically we should have seen a rise in abortions we did not. Therefore, the mitigation to total abortion is necessary.
When people make anti-abortion a moral imperative to saving the soul of the country, that's where the problems start. And if we want to reduce further abortions, we ask why people want to kill their children. Simple answer; bad timing such as job training or can't afford them. It's that simple, and that means people have to pay people more and "job creators" need to be on the ball more to hire preggers if they don't want abortions to happen. There's a correlation for Republicans to be economically laissez faire yet socially conservative, which makes for hypocritical issues for women. Even then, the Swiss have issues with women moving from contractor work into the working field.
The core to dealing with women is to get the policy on pregnancy and work-life balance that is pro-woman not pro-corporation. And I'm saying this as a person on the right part of the spectrum that hates abortion. If you get women with good paying jobs, that's a real start to saving children. Not for everyone, but it's a start. A good start. Can't buy baby diapers on love.
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The idea of "stochastic terrorism", I mean. It's a transparent pseudointellectual excuse to call your political opponents "terrorists". It's a disgrace to free political discourse, it's a disgrace to real stochastic analysis, and it's a disgrace to you for repeating it.
Look at it this way. If somebody shoots Mike Huckabee tomorrow, fired up by rhetoric like "the real perpetrators likely will continue to have access to pulpits... hoping we all won’t notice that the hands clutching the podium are covered in blood", does that make Valerie Tarico a stochastic terrorist? Or is it only when "the targeted person or group is gradually dehumanized, depicted as loathsome and dangerous -- arousing a combustible combination of fear and moral disgust" by the other side that it's a predictable incitement to violence?
**** this for self-righteous hypocrisy.
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Like, people have been discussing this kind of stuff for decades now.
Art is life itself.
See, you want to talk about "strong links"? There's a "strong link" between people who perform violence in the name of the KKK and the KKK. Doesn't take a bunch of law enforcement officials to puzzle over that one. Thing is, you cannot hold the KKK legally responsible for such a thing unless the speech is directed to inciting imminent lawless action.
To declare these filmmakers responsible for the violence that erupted is to go against not only the rights of free speech, but also a basic understanding of human agency. Unless you can prove there's something hypnotic about the video that forced that one guy to commit an act of violence, he chose to do so of his own conscious volition. The fault is his own.
Islam promotes violence.
Moving the goalposts. Tarico named the specific names of Carly Fiorina, Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, Mike Huckabee, Ted Cruz, and Rick Santorum. But now Cheryl Glenn is quoted describing incitement as "they say abortion is murder and it's therefore justified to shoot an abortion doctor". Show me one place where Fiorina, Rubio, Bush, Carson, Huckabee, Cruz, Santorum, or even Donald freaking Trump have said that it's justified to shoot an abortion doctor. These people are not "the handful of leaders who preach that violence is justified" any more than your local imam is an ISIS recruiter. They're just people Tarico doesn't like and wants to throw rocks at.
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These are stories I have seen over the years...
2 Swedish feminists kidnapped and tortured a 14 year old boy to death because of how angry they were about "the patriarchy"
An unrepentant murderer who killed two 16 year olds out on a date by sodomizing them to death claimed he was avenging Travyon Martin and stated "Black Lives Matter" while staring at the families of the victims in court.
A young black man opened fire on some random white teenagers claiming he was angry about white privilege.
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Nobody is calling mainstream feminists or BLM activists "stochastic terrorists" or otherwise attempting to pin responsibility for these crimes on their rhetoric.
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The CO Planned Parenthood shooter was hailed as a hero by a disturbing number of mainstream figures in the anti-abortion community, which is a big difference from the cases JMRA mentioned.
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By that reasoning, isn't calling abortion doctors "murderers" a slippery slope to executing them?
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More than that, if you kill someone to stop them committing a murder, that's at the very least justifiable homicide. If abortion doctors are mass murderers, and the police won't stop them, isn't killing them yourself the only moral course? Certainly bombings or assassinations carried out by resistance groups against the Nazis were justified, and there are no shortage of prominent Republicans equating abortion doctors to the perpetrators of the holocaust.
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Huckabee:
“It might be for the last 35 years, we have aborted more than a million people who would have been in our work force had we not had the holocaust of liberalized abortion under a flawed Supreme Court ruling in 1973,"
"If you felt something incredibly powerful at Auschwitz and Birkenau over the 11 million killed worldwide and the 1.5 million killed on those grounds, cannot we feel something extraordinary about 55 million murdered in our own country in the wombs of their mothers?"
“And now we are called into this incredible Holocaust of our own in America,” Huckabee continued. “Fifty-five million babies. Fifty-five million babies since 1973 have died in what ought to be the safest place in the world, their mother’s womb. It has become one of the most dangerous places for a baby to be."
Cruz:
“Recently we have all seen the videos of the behind the scenes dealings at Planned Parenthood facilities. Activities that most Americans find horribly offensive. But even more appalling is that we as tax payers fund these activities,” the letter. “We cannot allow this to continue. Only our pastor’s and church leaders have enough influence to put a stop to this holocaust. ”
Santorum:
“The title of the book is ‘How Do You Kill 11 Million People?’ He could have retitled it ‘How Do You Kill 55 Million People Here In America?’” he said. “This book is about the Holocaust. And you know what his answer was, in one simple sentence? How do you kill 11 million people? You lie to them. Planned Parenthood, the abortion industry, Roe v. Wade, all of it is based on a lie about when a child becomes a human being.”
Comparisons of the holocaust with abortion is so common-place among Republicans that it's not even noteworthy anymore.
Nice strawman tho.
People equate freaking meter maids to the perpetrators of the Holocaust. That doesn't mean they're calling for a violent insurgency against the DMV; it just means they're proving Godwin right.
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Sure, by the letter of the law, it would take specific circumstances to make killing an abortion doctor into justifiable homicide. But consider resistance attacks against the Nazis. No one was killing an SS guard while they had their hand on the gas chamber switch.
If your neighbor were killing children by the dozen, would you wait until you could catch them in the act to do something about it?
Those people are being intentionally hyperbolic. Do you think Mike Huckabee is being hyperbolic?
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"Do something about it" != "kill them". Pro-lifers are doing lots of things about it. They just tend to take the form of "trying to get the law changed" and "persuading people of their point of view" rather than the murder you'd apparently prefer.
I think Mike Huckabee isn't killing any abortion doctors. This violent ideology is something you are attributing to him.
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