Illegal Immigrants are funneling money to foreign countries and living off welfare which hurts the economy. Americans are tired of illegals pouring into the country. In 30 years, whites are said to become a minority in America. They are afraid of what is to come when their culture and values are dominated by other cultures and values. They dont want America to turn into a 3rd world country. They dont want to be forced into competition with illegals willing to work at low wages. They want to live in a society where people like themselves are the majority. There is nothing wrong with these beliefs.
That being said, Legal immigrants who are willing to give more than they take, and who are willing to adopt the culture and values of the country they are immigrating to are perfectly fine to these Americans who support Trump. Problem is most illegals arent like that...
A majority of Muslims support Sharia law and support the bad sides of their religion. The peaceful muslims you always hear about are a minority. If you look at what is happening to Europe, you will see the consequences of allowing Muslims to immigrate freely...
Illegal Immigrants are funneling money to foreign countries and living off welfare which hurts the economy. Americans are tired of illegals pouring into the country. In 30 years, whites are said to become a minority in America. They are afraid of what is to come when their culture and values are dominated by other cultures and values. They dont want America to turn into a 3rd world country. They dont want to be forced into competition with illegals willing to work at low wages. They want to live in a society where people like themselves are the majority. There is nothing wrong with these beliefs.
That being said, Legal immigrants who are willing to give more than they take, and who are willing to adopt the culture and values of the country they are immigrating to are perfectly fine to these Americans who support Trump. Problem is most illegals arent like that...
A majority of Muslims support Sharia law and support the bad sides of their religion. The peaceful muslims you always hear about are a minority. If you look at what is happening to Europe, you will see the consequences of allowing Muslims to immigrate freely...
But the demographic trends that will lead to a white minority are not illegal immigration - it's birth rates. Even if you build a wall that keeps out every single illegal immigrant, and even if you round up every single one who's already here, that won't change the course of the future, and whites will still be a minority.
So if these people are motivated by a fear of whites becoming a minority, how can they have no objection to legal immigrants, who exert a much stronger demographic pressure than illegal immigrants currently do?
Illegal Immigrants are funneling money to foreign countries and living off welfare which hurts the economy.
From CIS reports, something like 61% of illegal immigrant households have children, and 92% of illegal immigrants with children have American-born children. That's about 56% of illegal immigrant households which have legal American citizen(s) in them. Welfare statistics pretty much universally track the households receiving benefits of welfare programs, not the individuals. So, the 83.7% of illegal immigrant households receiving food benefits (3/4 of which is school lunches) and the 72.5% receiving medicaid benefits are skewed, when over half of those households have American citizens in them, and in many cases (such as the school lunches) 100% of the benefits received by the household is going to the American citizen.
Only 5.2% of illegal households are receiving any kind of cash welfare benefits, and only 4.5% are receiving housing benefits (only 0.6% is subsidized housing)
And these are CIS numbers, who are in favor of stronger immigration controls.
Most (all?) welfare programs cannot be (legally) received by illegal immigrants. You have to provide proof of your legal immigration status to get them. As such, the households with American children most likely make up the vast majority of the households receiving benefits.
They dont want to be forced into competition with illegals willing to work at low wages.
I don't want to be in competition with illegal imigrants, that's true. But wages aren't the issue for me. I don't want to be looking for a job in labor (skilled or unskilled) at all.
That being said, Legal immigrants who are willing to give more than they take, and who are willing to adopt the culture and values of the country they are immigrating to are perfectly fine to these Americans who support Trump. Problem is most illegals arent like that...
Do you mean the illegals paying in the neighborhood of $10 billion in state and local taxes per year and $15 billion into Social Security? The illegals that cost taxpayers only $14,387 per household?
A majority of Muslims support Sharia law and support the bad sides of their religion. The peaceful muslims you always hear about are a minority.
There is a significant difference between being in favor of something and actually doing that thing. I am in favor of people skydiving. You will never see me skydive, ever.
Being in favor of Sharia law is not a good thing, don't confuse my message. But simply being in favor of Sharia law does not make you into a radicalized extremist that is likely to commit acts of terror.
1. Your liberal media wont tell you this but there has been a big problem in Europe with rapes and terrorist attacks since Muslims started pouring in.
2. These illegal immigrants will obviously have lots of children who will grow up to recieve welfare themselves.
3. There are plenty of Americans who are being forced to compete with illegals and you wouldn't like it if you had to.
4. Illegal immigrants are bad for the economy and will vote for the left-wing. The fact that illegals are pouring into the country right now will slowly but surly turn American success backwords.
5. Most people want to preserve their culture and values.
6. You didnt even address the funeling of income into foreign countries and your welfare argument is addressed by me in #2.
7. It is perfectly acceptable to control who comes in to your country. For some reason the left thinks this is racist...
Illegal Immigrants are funneling money to foreign countries and living off welfare which hurts the economy. Americans are tired of illegals pouring into the country. In 30 years, whites are said to become a minority in America. They are afraid of what is to come when their culture and values are dominated by other cultures and values. They dont want America to turn into a 3rd world country. They dont want to be forced into competition with illegals willing to work at low wages. They want to live in a society where people like themselves are the majority. There is nothing wrong with these beliefs.
Illegal immigrants don't like being constantly referred to as if they are criminal scum when seeking refuge is supposed to be a human right. They don't want to be forced to stay in countries where they may be oppressed, abused and with little opportunity. They want to live in a country were they are happy. There is nothing wrong with these beliefs.
Just because there are consequences for the people in the country where people are migrating to doesn't make the migration wrong. There is another side of the story.
See, one of the problems with this is that if you look at the data, a lot of Muslims will say they support Sharia law, but actually show they only support some of it, backing down it seems mainly on the most extreme parts, and it seems basically just say they support the whole thing because they feel like they should. They also frequently say it should only apply to Muslims, meaning it would have no affect on the current population of America anyway. http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/
1. Your liberal media wont tell you this but there has been a big problem in Europe with rapes and terrorist attacks since Muslims started pouring in.
I'm curious. Could I please see your source on this?
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Here's what drives me bonkers: we all share obvious common ground, but the Republican nominee is in no position to act like a reasonable adult capable of leading this great country of ours.
Everybody is against illegal immigrants: that's why it's illegal! Democrats, Republicans, Centrists etc...the differences stem around the "what now?" issue. Democrats favor a complex web of social policies while the Republican nominee wants a big wall that Mexico is somehow going to pay for.
That's not a serious answer, because he's not a serious nominee. The problems in the world are enormous. But the only full-throttled praise I hear for Trump is by Neo Nazis. Seriously. Check the "Alt Right" on Twitter. Check "The Daily Stormer." Check David Duke, former KKK head. Only these people want Trump. I cannot be a part of such a movement of proud, vile monsters.
I'd vote a Romney or a Kasich. I wouldn't hate a Rubio, or even a Bush. But this no-nothing bully, this thin-skinned ignorant heel, the patron saint of the most evil forces in our culture? No thank you. Hard pass. I'll trust a mediocre career politician over that any day.
1. Your liberal media wont tell you this but there has been a big problem in Europe with rapes and terrorist attacks since Muslims started pouring in.
2. These illegal immigrants will obviously have lots of children who will grow up to recieve welfare themselves.
3. There are plenty of Americans who are being forced to compete with illegals and you wouldn't like it if you had to.
4. Illegal immigrants are bad for the economy and will vote for the left-wing. The fact that illegals are pouring into the country right now will slowly but surly turn American success backwords.
5. Most people want to preserve their culture and values.
6. You didnt even address the funeling of income into foreign countries and your welfare argument is addressed by me in #2.
7. It is perfectly acceptable to control who comes in to your country. For some reason the left thinks this is racist...
But won't legal immigrants also compete for jobs? And won't legal immigrants also dilute American culture and values? And won't legal non-European immigrants also speed the shift to a non-white majority?
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We are arguing about Trump's policies. My views about non-illegal immigration is irrelevant.
@GhostDad plenty of non-kkk affiliated people support trump. Also, stop calling Trump names, we get enough of that from our media. Present real arguments or dont post at all.
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Just look up Muslim rapes in Europe or something like that. Google is a thing man...
That being said, Legal immigrants who are willing to give more than they take, and who are willing to adopt the culture and values of the country they are immigrating to are perfectly fine to these Americans who support Trump. Problem is most illegals arent like that...
But it sounds like this isn't really the case. It sounds like most of the arguments presented about illegal immigrants are just as true of legal immigrants. The focus on illegal immigrants sounds like a cover for xenophobia to me.
That being said, Legal immigrants who are willing to give more than they take, and who are willing to adopt the culture and values of the country they are immigrating to are perfectly fine to these Americans who support Trump. Problem is most illegals arent like that...
But it sounds like this isn't really the case. It sounds like most of the arguments presented about illegal immigrants are just as true of legal immigrants. The focus on illegal immigrants sounds like a cover for xenophobia to me.
It isnt xenophobia to prefer your own culture, values, and well-being to others.
The left loves to play the racist, xenophobic, islamaphobic e.t.c card alot. When arguing against a right winger just call em racist and you dont have to argue is what they are all about
Just look up Muslim rapes in Europe or something like that. Google is a thing man...
It is your duty to support your argument not anyone else'. When asked to support your claim with evidence you must do so or your claim is meaningless. Your argument seems to be entirely prompted up by xenophobia just like Trump. This is part of the reason it is terriblly difficult to take him or any of his supporters seriously. He works on false claims and scare tactics.
It isnt xenophobia to prefer your own culture, values, and well-being to others.
The left loves to play the racist, xenophobic, islamaphobic e.t.c card alot. When arguing against a right winger just call em racist and you dont have to argue is what they are all about
That's literally what xenophobia means. That you dislike the cultures and values of people from other countries. I don't understand this objection - if you don't like other cultures, just own it.
Xenophobia- Trump has a goal. His goal is to make life better for the American people. He has never said anything Xenophobic before. His plan to ban illegals is for the betterment of the lives of the American people.
False claims and scare tactics- please clarify...
In addition to being bad for the economy and driving out Western culture, Trump supporters support his plan to ban illegals because illegals arent the best people in the world. Their children are crowding American schools, and school teachers are having to sacrifice their time to teach them because they arent at the same level as other students. I know there are plenty of smart, successful, latinos out there who are good people. I have latino friends in fact. But these illegals have higher rates of crime than the average population and they arent the best people coming from their location. Every country and region and group has good people and not so good people, illegal immigrant populations have higher rates of the not so good people(not all illegals are not so good people, some illegals are great people)
@Tiax
I prefer my culture and values to other's cultures and values. IF this means xenophobia, then I am xenophobic.
@Tiax
I prefer my culture and values to other's cultures and values. IF this means xenophobia, then I am xenophobic.
Would you agree, then, with the idea that letting in people from Mexico, even legally, will make the country worse, as they will bring with them a culture and a value set that is worse than American culture and values?
Xenophobia- Trump has a goal. His goal is to make life better for the American people. He has never said anything Xenophobic before. His plan to ban illegals is for the betterment of the lives of the American people.
False claims and scare tactics- please clarify...
In addition to being bad for the economy and driving out Western culture, Trump supporters support his plan to ban illegals because illegals arent the best people in the world. Their children are crowding American schools, and school teachers are having to sacrifice their time to teach them because they arent at the same level as other students. I know there are plenty of smart, successful, latinos out there who are good people. I have latino friends in fact. But these illegals have higher rates of crime than the average population and they arent the best people coming from their location. Every country and region and group has good people and not so good people, illegal immigrant populations have higher rates of the not so good people(not all illegals are not so good people, some illegals are great people)
@Tiax
I prefer my culture and values to other's cultures and values. IF this means xenophobia, then I am xenophobic.
You have not read the whole thread but I won't be going over points we have beaten to death. Legal immigrants help the economy of the nation they move too and Illegal immigrants from Mexico commit fewer crimes than the average citizen. Its all been discussed and cited before. Additionally no one has ever stated we should not deal with the illegal immigration issue. Its just that Trump's plan to do so is very poorly thought out and the wall only serves as a buzz word for his campaign.
Trump's policies are ineffective. His wall will be costly and do little to curb illegal immigration and his plan to ban Muslims would be implemented by simply asking people if they are Muslim. How many terrorists do you think that will keep out?
Trump's policies are ineffective. His wall will be costly and do little to curb illegal immigration and his plan to ban Muslims would be implemented by simply asking people if they are Muslim. How many terrorists do you think that will keep out?
What's more, even if Trump magically managed to keep every single Muslim immigrant from entering the country, it would do nothing to stop terrorism in the US. The overwhelming majority of terror acts, mass shootings, etc. since 9/11 have been perpetrated by American citizens and naturalized immigrants that have been in the States for years.
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Xenophobia- Trump has a goal. His goal is to make life better for the American people. He has never said anything Xenophobic before. His plan to ban illegals is for the betterment of the lives of the American people.
False claims and scare tactics- please clarify...
In addition to being bad for the economy and driving out Western culture, Trump supporters support his plan to ban illegals because illegals arent the best people in the world. Their children are crowding American schools, and school teachers are having to sacrifice their time to teach them because they arent at the same level as other students. I know there are plenty of smart, successful, latinos out there who are good people. I have latino friends in fact. But these illegals have higher rates of crime than the average population and they arent the best people coming from their location. Every country and region and group has good people and not so good people, illegal immigrant populations have higher rates of the not so good people(not all illegals are not so good people, some illegals are great people)
@Tiax
I prefer my culture and values to other's cultures and values. IF this means xenophobia, then I am xenophobic.
You have not read the whole thread but I won't be going over points we have beaten to death.
Legal immigrants - hold up, we are talking about illegal immigrants not legal immigrants so this is irrelevant.
help the economy of the nation they move too and Illegal immigrants from Mexico commit fewer crimes than the average citizen. Its all been discussed and cited before. Additionally no one has ever stated we should not deal with the illegal immigration issue. Its just that Trump's plan to do so is very poorly thought out and the wall only serves as a buzz word for his campaign.
How is it poorly thought out?
Trump's policies are ineffective. His wall will be costly and do little to curb illegal immigration and his plan to ban Muslims would be implemented by simply asking people if they are Muslim. How many terrorists do you think that will keep out?
He will ban people that live in Muslim countries to come to the US.
Xenophobia- Trump has a goal. His goal is to make life better for the American people. He has never said anything Xenophobic before. His plan to ban illegals is for the betterment of the lives of the American people.
False claims and scare tactics- please clarify...
In addition to being bad for the economy and driving out Western culture, Trump supporters support his plan to ban illegals because illegals arent the best people in the world. Their children are crowding American schools, and school teachers are having to sacrifice their time to teach them because they arent at the same level as other students. I know there are plenty of smart, successful, latinos out there who are good people. I have latino friends in fact. But these illegals have higher rates of crime than the average population and they arent the best people coming from their location. Every country and region and group has good people and not so good people, illegal immigrant populations have higher rates of the not so good people(not all illegals are not so good people, some illegals are great people)
@Tiax
I prefer my culture and values to other's cultures and values. IF this means xenophobia, then I am xenophobic.
You have not read the whole thread but I won't be going over points we have beaten to death.
Legal immigrants - hold up, we are talking about illegal immigrants not legal immigrants so this is irrelevant.
help the economy of the nation they move too and Illegal immigrants from Mexico commit fewer crimes than the average citizen. Its all been discussed and cited before. Additionally no one has ever stated we should not deal with the illegal immigration issue. Its just that Trump's plan to do so is very poorly thought out and the wall only serves as a buzz word for his campaign.
How is it poorly thought out?
Trump's policies are ineffective. His wall will be costly and do little to curb illegal immigration and his plan to ban Muslims would be implemented by simply asking people if they are Muslim. How many terrorists do you think that will keep out?
He will ban people that live in Muslim countries to come to the US.
According to various government agencies in the US, hispanics are actually less prone to violent crime than either blacks or whites at low income levels. (In other words, the likely income level of any illegal immigrant.)
(Source: http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137 )
Would you like to provide any data for your claims?
He will ban people that live in Muslim countries to come to the US.
Eccept that isn't his stated plan. His plan is not a travel block on countries but a block on Muslims and he has stated that his plan to implement this idea is to simply ask people if they are Muslim. He would then turn away those who admit to being Muslim. It is not surprising that you weren't aware of this, most Trump supporters are simply not fully informed as to what Trump's actual plan is for his outrageous proposals.
How is "let's build a great big wall, that'll stop 'em!" well-thought out? There are large sections of the border which are nigh-impassable anyway, so the wall wouldn't add anything in those areas even if it were ultimately effective in others. The wall also can't be built right up on the border for most of its length, for both legal reasons and logistical/engineering reasons. Building the wall would also require seizing property from American citizens living there.
Trump's wall is a hugely expensive waste of time, money, and space that will do just about nothing to achieve its stated goal. Hell, something like 40% of the illegals are the result of visa overstays. Trump's wall proposal has doors in it to welcome those illegals into the country.
Even if what you are saying is true,which I highly doubt is true and am too lazy to research, Trump has shown a commitment to end illegal immigration and protect this country from the muslims who just yesterday killed 80+ people in France... for this reason(and others too) I will continue to support him...
Even if what you are saying is true,which I highly doubt is true and am too lazy to research, Trump has shown a commitment to end illegal immigration and protect this country from the muslims who just yesterday killed 80+ people in France... for this reason(and others too) I will continue to support him...
Does Trump turn every national tragedy into random propaganda for his cause? Can't he show a little respect?
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That being said, Legal immigrants who are willing to give more than they take, and who are willing to adopt the culture and values of the country they are immigrating to are perfectly fine to these Americans who support Trump. Problem is most illegals arent like that...
A majority of Muslims support Sharia law and support the bad sides of their religion. The peaceful muslims you always hear about are a minority. If you look at what is happening to Europe, you will see the consequences of allowing Muslims to immigrate freely...
But the demographic trends that will lead to a white minority are not illegal immigration - it's birth rates. Even if you build a wall that keeps out every single illegal immigrant, and even if you round up every single one who's already here, that won't change the course of the future, and whites will still be a minority.
So if these people are motivated by a fear of whites becoming a minority, how can they have no objection to legal immigrants, who exert a much stronger demographic pressure than illegal immigrants currently do?
Only 5.2% of illegal households are receiving any kind of cash welfare benefits, and only 4.5% are receiving housing benefits (only 0.6% is subsidized housing)
And these are CIS numbers, who are in favor of stronger immigration controls.
Most (all?) welfare programs cannot be (legally) received by illegal immigrants. You have to provide proof of your legal immigration status to get them. As such, the households with American children most likely make up the vast majority of the households receiving benefits.
I'm certainly not.
Impossible, by definition.
I don't want to be in competition with illegal imigrants, that's true. But wages aren't the issue for me. I don't want to be looking for a job in labor (skilled or unskilled) at all.
Do you mean the illegals paying in the neighborhood of $10 billion in state and local taxes per year and $15 billion into Social Security? The illegals that cost taxpayers only $14,387 per household?
There is a significant difference between being in favor of something and actually doing that thing. I am in favor of people skydiving. You will never see me skydive, ever.
Being in favor of Sharia law is not a good thing, don't confuse my message. But simply being in favor of Sharia law does not make you into a radicalized extremist that is likely to commit acts of terror.
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1. Your liberal media wont tell you this but there has been a big problem in Europe with rapes and terrorist attacks since Muslims started pouring in.
2. These illegal immigrants will obviously have lots of children who will grow up to recieve welfare themselves.
3. There are plenty of Americans who are being forced to compete with illegals and you wouldn't like it if you had to.
4. Illegal immigrants are bad for the economy and will vote for the left-wing. The fact that illegals are pouring into the country right now will slowly but surly turn American success backwords.
5. Most people want to preserve their culture and values.
6. You didnt even address the funeling of income into foreign countries and your welfare argument is addressed by me in #2.
7. It is perfectly acceptable to control who comes in to your country. For some reason the left thinks this is racist...
Illegal immigrants don't like being constantly referred to as if they are criminal scum when seeking refuge is supposed to be a human right. They don't want to be forced to stay in countries where they may be oppressed, abused and with little opportunity. They want to live in a country were they are happy. There is nothing wrong with these beliefs.
Just because there are consequences for the people in the country where people are migrating to doesn't make the migration wrong. There is another side of the story.
See, one of the problems with this is that if you look at the data, a lot of Muslims will say they support Sharia law, but actually show they only support some of it, backing down it seems mainly on the most extreme parts, and it seems basically just say they support the whole thing because they feel like they should. They also frequently say it should only apply to Muslims, meaning it would have no affect on the current population of America anyway.
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/
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I'm curious. Could I please see your source on this?
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Everybody is against illegal immigrants: that's why it's illegal! Democrats, Republicans, Centrists etc...the differences stem around the "what now?" issue. Democrats favor a complex web of social policies while the Republican nominee wants a big wall that Mexico is somehow going to pay for.
That's not a serious answer, because he's not a serious nominee. The problems in the world are enormous. But the only full-throttled praise I hear for Trump is by Neo Nazis. Seriously. Check the "Alt Right" on Twitter. Check "The Daily Stormer." Check David Duke, former KKK head. Only these people want Trump. I cannot be a part of such a movement of proud, vile monsters.
I'd vote a Romney or a Kasich. I wouldn't hate a Rubio, or even a Bush. But this no-nothing bully, this thin-skinned ignorant heel, the patron saint of the most evil forces in our culture? No thank you. Hard pass. I'll trust a mediocre career politician over that any day.
But won't legal immigrants also compete for jobs? And won't legal immigrants also dilute American culture and values? And won't legal non-European immigrants also speed the shift to a non-white majority?
We are arguing about Trump's policies. My views about non-illegal immigration is irrelevant.
@GhostDad plenty of non-kkk affiliated people support trump. Also, stop calling Trump names, we get enough of that from our media. Present real arguments or dont post at all.
@Glamdring
Just look up Muslim rapes in Europe or something like that. Google is a thing man...
Well, what you said was:
But it sounds like this isn't really the case. It sounds like most of the arguments presented about illegal immigrants are just as true of legal immigrants. The focus on illegal immigrants sounds like a cover for xenophobia to me.
It isnt xenophobia to prefer your own culture, values, and well-being to others.
The left loves to play the racist, xenophobic, islamaphobic e.t.c card alot. When arguing against a right winger just call em racist and you dont have to argue is what they are all about
That's literally what xenophobia means. That you dislike the cultures and values of people from other countries. I don't understand this objection - if you don't like other cultures, just own it.
False claims and scare tactics- please clarify...
In addition to being bad for the economy and driving out Western culture, Trump supporters support his plan to ban illegals because illegals arent the best people in the world. Their children are crowding American schools, and school teachers are having to sacrifice their time to teach them because they arent at the same level as other students. I know there are plenty of smart, successful, latinos out there who are good people. I have latino friends in fact. But these illegals have higher rates of crime than the average population and they arent the best people coming from their location. Every country and region and group has good people and not so good people, illegal immigrant populations have higher rates of the not so good people(not all illegals are not so good people, some illegals are great people)
@Tiax
I prefer my culture and values to other's cultures and values. IF this means xenophobia, then I am xenophobic.
Would you agree, then, with the idea that letting in people from Mexico, even legally, will make the country worse, as they will bring with them a culture and a value set that is worse than American culture and values?
Trump's policies are ineffective. His wall will be costly and do little to curb illegal immigration and his plan to ban Muslims would be implemented by simply asking people if they are Muslim. How many terrorists do you think that will keep out?
What's more, even if Trump magically managed to keep every single Muslim immigrant from entering the country, it would do nothing to stop terrorism in the US. The overwhelming majority of terror acts, mass shootings, etc. since 9/11 have been perpetrated by American citizens and naturalized immigrants that have been in the States for years.
"You say 'learn from history,' but that does not mean 'learn the same bull***** the people in history learned alongside phrenology and alchemy.'" - The Blinking Spirit
According to various government agencies in the US, hispanics are actually less prone to violent crime than either blacks or whites at low income levels. (In other words, the likely income level of any illegal immigrant.)
(Source: http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137 )
Would you like to provide any data for your claims?
Trump's wall is a hugely expensive waste of time, money, and space that will do just about nothing to achieve its stated goal. Hell, something like 40% of the illegals are the result of visa overstays. Trump's wall proposal has doors in it to welcome those illegals into the country.
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Does Trump turn every national tragedy into random propaganda for his cause? Can't he show a little respect?
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