The boss of Stormfront saying Trump's rhetoric is helping drive recruitment to an unprecedented degree kinda worries me a bit.
Also, last time I checked, Black Lives Matter didn't go around killing people. They're not an equivalent organization with the KKK.
The KKK is responsible for FAR less violence in this political cycle than BLM. So I guess you are right; both groups have hateful rhetoric about racial supremacy, but only BLM destroys property and hurts people, while the KKK peacefully demonstrates.
Are all three considered radical? Not considering their righteousness.
Yes, all three groups are radical racial supremacy groups that have actively advertised violence and death to other races. Liberal apologists will dismiss both, but fact is that in the past five years the KKK and neo-nazis are responsible for far less violence than BLM and La Raza.
I do not know. At this point, I'm not sure if conservatives even view the KKK as radical. On the same token, I'm not sure if liberals can identify radicalism within their own ranks. Guess it comes down to who ever if the best salesman or shopper.
Good news and bad news for you - the vast, vast majority of conservatives think that the KKK is repulsive. Sadly, the same can't be said of liberals and their most extreme wings. Instead, they'll often defend their psychopaths instead of disowning them, hiding behind crybully tactics and cries of whatever -ism they think applies.
The boss of Stormfront saying Trump's rhetoric is helping drive recruitment to an unprecedented degree kinda worries me a bit.
Also, last time I checked, Black Lives Matter didn't go around killing people. They're not an equivalent organization with the KKK.
The KKK is responsible for FAR less violence in this political cycle than BLM. So I guess you are right; both groups have hateful rhetoric about racial supremacy, but only BLM destroys property and hurts people, while the KKK peacefully demonstrates.
Yes, all three groups are radical racial supremacy groups that have actively advertised violence and death to other races. Liberal apologists will dismiss both, but fact is that in the past five years the KKK and neo-nazis are responsible for far less violence than BLM and La Raza.
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Because the BLM movement is far larger than both as well as far more credible in the public eye- it has much more power.
Good news and bad news for you - the vast, vast majority of conservatives think that the KKK is repulsive. Sadly, the same can't be said of liberals and their most extreme wings. Instead, they'll often defend their psychopaths instead of disowning them, hiding behind crybully tactics and cries of whatever -ism they think applies.
Do you have any actual data to back up this claim?
That's a pretty new low for this thread. Seeing people say BLM is the equivalent to the KKK is simply ridiculous.
Despite his act Trump knew exactly how David Duke was at the time of questioning. He had gone on record previously saying that David Duke was a bigot, but when the time came for him to disavow his support Trump couldn't do it. This is almost certainly to do with the number of voters he would have risked on Super Tuesday by disavowing David Duke and the KKK before the vote. Trump knew exactly what he was doing and who his voting base was that day. This is not an implication that Trump supports the KKK but a confirmation that a non trivial amount of Trump supporters (at the time of super Tuesday at least) are white supremacists or members of the KKK.
That's a pretty new low for this thread. Seeing people say BLM is the equivalent to the KKK is simply ridiculous.
Despite his act Trump knew exactly how David Duke was at the time of questioning. He had gone on record previously saying that David Duke was a bigot, but when the time came for him to disavow his support Trump couldn't do it. This is almost certainly to do with the number of voters he would have risked on Super Tuesday by disavowing David Duke and the KKK before the vote. Trump knew exactly what he was doing and who his voting base was that day. This is not an implication that Trump supports the KKK but a confirmation that a non trivial amount of Trump supporters (at the time of super Tuesday at least) are white supremacists or members of the KKK.
I have a Helpful hint for you! Correlation is not equivalence, identifying similarities between two things is not equivalence.
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With that said, I would advise not to straw man peoples arguments, , especially when people are arguing about the difference in the value between all three groups (i.e. one is worse than the other). The question I asked, in essence, is can you correlate all three of these groups with "radicalism"
That's a pretty new low for this thread. Seeing people say BLM is the equivalent to the KKK is simply ridiculous.
Despite his act Trump knew exactly how David Duke was at the time of questioning. He had gone on record previously saying that David Duke was a bigot, but when the time came for him to disavow his support Trump couldn't do it. This is almost certainly to do with the number of voters he would have risked on Super Tuesday by disavowing David Duke and the KKK before the vote. Trump knew exactly what he was doing and who his voting base was that day. This is not an implication that Trump supports the KKK but a confirmation that a non trivial amount of Trump supporters (at the time of super Tuesday at least) are white supremacists or members of the KKK.
I have a Helpful hint for you! Correlation is not equivalence, identifying similarities between two things is not equivalence.
With that said, I would advise not to straw man peoples arguments. The question I asked, in essence, can you correlate all three of these thinks with "radical".
You need to stop making assumptions and stop calling strawman all the time. I wasn't even responding to you so I don't know why you are coming at me with any of this. There is nothing "radical" about the vast majority of BLM protesters so the comparison to the quintessential American hate group is simply ludicrous
So you agree you used the wrong word, in an equivocation and consequently a straw man? I haven't assumed anything. At least consider the possibility you are making terrible arguments rooted in logical fallacies.
My mistake assuming your read the whole page. You clearly missed the post earlier where someone claimed that BLM is the black equivalent of the KKK.
Despite his act Trump knew exactly how David Duke was at the time of questioning. He had gone on record previously saying that David Duke was a bigot, but when the time came for him to disavow his support Trump couldn't do it. This is almost certainly to do with the number of voters he would have risked on Super Tuesday by disavowing David Duke and the KKK before the vote. Trump knew exactly what he was doing and who his voting base was that day. This is not an implication that Trump supports the KKK but a confirmation that a non trivial amount of Trump supporters (at the time of super Tuesday at least) are white supremacists or members of the KKK.
Bull*****. If you watch the interview, there was an obvious bit of confusion on Trump's part in answering the question. He then went on to disavow duke publicly on multiple shows and his twitter, immediately after the interview. This is a non-issue, and the only reason to bring it up would be to further a gross mischaracterization of trump.
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Bull*****. If you watch the interview, there was an obvious bit of confusion on Trump's part in answering the question. He then went on to disavow duke publicly on multiple shows and his twitter, immediately after the interview. This is a non-issue, and the only reason to bring it up would be to further a gross mischaracterization of trump.
I have watched that interview and it is obvious he was playing dumb, he acted like he didn't know what the KKK is, come one.
You ignore the timing of the disavowal for the benefit of your argument. The interview where he wouldn't disavow Duke/the KKK came just before super Tuesday where several deep south states were to vote. After he won many of those states he did disavow. But if you don't see that he withheld his statement till after the vote on purpose for fear of alienating a part of his voting base then I don't know what to tell you. Trump is aware that part of his base is racist and played that to his advantage on super Tuesday.
I have watched that interview and it is obvious he was playing dumb, he acted like he didn't know what the KKK is, come one.
You ignore the timing of the disavowal for the benefit of your argument. The interview where he wouldn't disavow Duke/the KKK came just before super Tuesday where several deep south states were to vote. After he won many of those states he did disavow. But if you don't see that he withheld his statement till after the vote on purpose for fear of alienating a part of his voting base then I don't know what to tell you. Trump is aware that part of his base is racist and played that to his advantage on super Tuesday.
You've gotta stop with this garbage - he disavowed him publicly before AND after, and was clearly confused during the interview. You can't spin this into him trying to get votes since there was barely a three-hour period where his position on the KKK could even be characterized as unclear. All you're doing is feeding into the bull***** narrative that conservatives are racist and using that as an excuse to demonize legitimate positions and candidates.
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So this proves he did in fact know who David Duke was when asked during that interview so thanks. Your other link does not work. So we will keep assuming it wasn't until after the votes were in on super Tuesday. I have to ask if he knew who Duke and the KKK were before hand why was it so hard to disavow just before super Tuesday?
And at no point did I say that conservatives are racists. The point was that a non trivial amount of Trump supporters are in fact racists, which Trump is aware of. A point that is extremely clear upon examination of the evidence.
Also just to clarify are you trying to say that building a wall, banning all Muslims, and targeting civilians on the battlefield are legitimate positions to have?
So this proves he did in fact know who David Duke was when asked during that interview so thanks. Your other link does not work. So we will keep assuming it wasn't until after the votes were in on super Tuesday. I have to ask if he knew who Duke and the KKK were before hand why was it so hard to disavow just before super Tuesday?
Now I'm 100% certain you're being disingenuous. MTGS seems to censor twitter links, but the literal FIRST google result for "Trump Twitter Disavow" is this link: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/703996959544250373. If you're going to intentionally stay misinformed, please stop representing your lies as fact. Regarding how "hard" it was to disavow: Trump stated that there were audio issues during the interview. He had no problem disavowing duke immediately after the issue was made public. Just give it up, man, your bias is showing pretty hard.
And at no point did I say that conservatives are racists. The point was that a non trivial amount of Trump supporters are in fact racists, which Trump is aware of. A point that is extremely clear upon examination of the evidence.
Lies and intentional misinformation aren't "evidence" - they're your incorrect opinion. If you'd like to present actual evidence of actual racism, you might have a point instead of a pile of crap. Fact is, many conservatives hold opinions on a variety of issues that you simply label as racist because you disagree with them and have no better argument against them. Do you even realize that this kind of emotionally charged labelling is the reason trump has become so successful in the first place?
Also just to clarify are you trying to say that building a wall, banning all Muslims, and targeting civilians on the battlefield are legitimate positions to have?
Building a wall is a completely valid and arguable position. The purpose of the wall is to prevent the massive amount of illegal activity that the current relatively open border facilities. If you're going to dismiss it as racist (which, at BEST, is barely tangential to the actual stated purpose of the wall), you're refusing to engage with the issues that the discussion is about - but you would be proving my point about your agenda.
The fact that you'd call the suggestion "banning all muslims" suggests to me that you're intentionally misinformed or lying on this issue as well. Trump has suggested a moratorium on non-citizen muslims from entering the country until a proper system can be put in place. Looking at the european crisis, not only is this opinion valid, but it is a far more rational approach than say, germany and france have taken. Are you really going to argue that the rape, terrorism, and culture crises in the countries that have allowed mass, barely regulated muslim immigration are a good thing?
Finally - Targeting civilians on the battlefield is brutal, but how is it racist? If that is what you're suggesting, then you're conflating two completely unrelated issues. Again.
I just want to be clear, you are denying that many racists support Trump then?
I'm denying that a non-trivial amount of trump supporters are racists - and of the few that are, they support the conservative platform out of necessity (conservatives oppose open borders, for example), not because it caters to them. To color Trump's platform, or a substantial part of his base as racist is, at best, misinformed and at worst, intentionally misleading. From your representations in our brief interaction, you definitely fall into the latter category.
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I just want to be clear, you are denying that many racists support Trump then?
I'm denying that a non-trivial amount of trump supporters are racists - and of the few that are, they support the conservative platform out of necessity (conservatives oppose open borders, for example), not because it caters to them. To color Trump's platform, or a substantial part of his base as racist is, at best, misinformed and at worst, intentionally misleading. From your representations in our brief interaction, you definitely fall into the latter category.
Okay so someone with evidence disputing your opinion is intentionally misleading? No one is saying we should have an open border but a wall is costly and ineffective. I understand you are scared of Muslims but the data definitely tells us we have little to fear from refugees and finally I know Trump cares little for human life but targeting civilians only drives more people to become insurgents against our nation.
If you want to go on believing that Trump does not receive significant support from racist groups feel free but its just not the case.
Okay so someone with evidence disputing your opinion is intentionally misleading?
You've provided no evidence outside of a crazy conspiracy theory where Trump refuses to denounce Duke for votes, which I've disproved despite your multiple attempts to stay misinformed.
No one is saying we should have an open border but a wall is costly and ineffective.
If you want to argue efficacy, go ahead (I disagree). But how is an ineffective wall racist? If you want to color the suggestion of building a wall to alleviate crime racist, either show my how it is or admit you're wrong.
I understand you are scared of Muslims but the data definitely tells us we have little to fear from refugees
Gonna ignore your personal attack here, but since you wont link to any data, here is some data about what muslim immigrants are responsible for in europe: Violence Shootouts and gangs No-Go Muslim Only Zones Rape Gangs Rape Crisis Insane expenses for upkeep Merkel's approval since she started importing muslims Merkel admitting they lost control of muslim immigration
Muslims immigration in europe has been handled worse than the euro. They're causing cultural collapse with muslim-only zones, overrunning small cities in sweden. They've been responsible for disproportionately huge amounts of violence and rape, and they've been a massive economic burden on the region. The people of these countries, and even their leaders admit to messing the whole thing up - and you're going to DEFEND this bull*****? Or, are you once again completely uninformed and pulling your "data" from facebook posts? Fact is that the muslim crisis in europe is a collosal ****hole right now, and Trump saying that maybe we should step back and make sure we're doing it right is something that the entirety of europe would support right now.
So please, again - tell me how this position is racist?
and finally I know Trump cares little for human life but targeting civilians only drives more people to become insurgents against our nation.
Again, great, you can argue this - but it isn't racist. So we can agree that this has no relation to the discussion we're having now?
If you want to go on believing that Trump does not receive significant support from racist groups feel free but its just not the case.
You've addresses exactly zero of the points I've made, and you've brought no evidence to back up your opinion. You can "feel" all you want, you're wrong - and trying to make it seem like you're "right" by putting on blinders and repeating that he's racist with literally nothing to back you up isn't making you look like and intelligent and informed participant in the political process, and has no place in a debate forum.
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I never said Trump was racist or the wall is racist or whatever so I don't know where you keep getting that from. I brought his policies up because you implied they were reasonable, on that we clearly disagree. The basis for the argument comes from when you claimed that BLM is the black equivalent of the KKK which is simply ridiculous and then you went off on several tangents. The fact of the matter is that Trump has many racist supporters because many of his policies are flat racism such as the ban on Muslims and the claim that Mexico sends rapists. If you want to support such policies then by all means it is your right to do so, but please to not defame other protest groups who you disagree with by claiming they are the equivalent of the quintessential American hate group.
I never said Trump was racist or the wall is racist or whatever so I don't know where you keep getting that from. I brought his policies up because you implied they were reasonable, on that we clearly disagree. The basis for the argument comes from when you claimed that BLM is the black equivalent of the KKK which is simply ridiculous and then you went off on several tangents. The fact of the matter is that Trump has many racist supporters because many of his policies are flat racism such as the ban on Muslims and the claim that Mexico sends rapists. If you want to support such policies then by all means it is your right to do so, but please to not defame other protest groups who you disagree with by claiming they are the equivalent of the quintessential American hate group.
BLM has been responsible for more violence and more calls for violence against whites than the KKK has against blacks in this political cycle. Just because they position themselves as a civil rights groups means ***** when the co-founder calls for killing all whites. BLM is worse. It isn't defamatory - its fact. More importantly, this was a tangent on my discussion of claims of racism in the trump campaign. Onto that:
I never said Trump was racist or the wall is racist or whatever
Trump has many racist supporters because many of his policies are flat racism such as the ban on Muslims and the claim that Mexico sends rapists.
...Are you even paying attention anymore? You're contradicting yourself two sentences apart. Either show me facts or shut the **** up and get out of the thread.
I've shown you that the moratorium on muslims is based on very real issues, and you've completely failed to address this. Either concede that the position isn't racist, or show me how it is.
As much as you'd like it to be true, facts are not racist. Illegals on the mexican border are disproportionately responsible for rape and drug offenses in this country, and that is a very real problem that the wall addresses (in addition to the base problem of illegal immigration). You're applying the label to issues you disagree with emotionally, and have no facts to back yourself up. You're wrong - either admit it and correct your position, or admit that you'll hold on to a completely fallacious opinion despite facts being entirely against you.
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Please read the whole thread. If you do you will realize that these issues have already been discussed. We have previously proven that Illegal immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than legal citizens and the myth Mexicans are all racists is just that, a myth. If you read the thread you will realize that there is no valid reason to fear Syrian refugees. The wall has already been proven to be extremely costly and hardly effective.
I don't feel the need to retread these points to satisfy you.
Now please provide a citation for when the co-founder of BLM calls for killing all whites. That would be nice to see.
Building a wall is a completely valid and arguable position.
No. It's not. Ask anyone who knows anything about the subject (other than Trump) and they will tell you it is impractical, stupid, misinformed, and actually damaging to our country.
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Please read the whole thread. If you do you will realize that these issues have already been discussed.
You expect me to go through 140 pages of discussion when you can't be bothered to go through one paragraph? Right.
We have previously proven that Illegal immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than legal citizens
Really? What stats do you use? Because every stat I've seen showing that use the entire immigrant population, legal and illegal, to make that determination - which is fallacious reasoning, since trump's platform is only concerned with illegals.
Most states dont track legal status, but the fed does. My stats are from INS, the DEA, and other federal orgs - and they all show that illegals are responsible for the majority of drugs and half of ALL federal offenses.Illegals are also far more likely to be incarcerated. If you can't be bothered to even cite your sources and are dismissive of new sources, then your attitude is cancerous to progress through discussion. Your dogma is bull*****, and discussing something once means nothing when you're demonstrably wrong.
If you read the thread you will realize that there is no valid reason to fear Syrian refugees.
If you read the news, you will realize that syrian refugees have destroyed europe. You've again failed to assert a single fact here, and you obviously haven't clicked on a single link I've provided disputing your completely incorrect claim. If you choose to categorize opposition to destructive policies "fear", go for it - but I would ask that you quit trying to characterize my approach as fear, though - my wife is a muslim, and your pejorative garbage is offensive to both of us.
The wall has already been proven to be extremely costly and hardly effective.
Link? Opinions on efficacy are all over the place, and holding remittances (as suggested by trump) is a very real way to force mexico to pay.
I don't feel the need to retread these points to satisfy you.
Sadly, I don't think you'd feel the need to reconsider a point if it was holding a gun to your head. But you clearly don't approach trump or conservatives intellectually.
Now please provide a citation for when the co-founder of BLM calls for killing all whites. That would be nice to see.
No. It's not. Ask anyone who knows anything about the subject (other than Trump) and they will tell you it is impractical, stupid, misinformed, and actually damaging to our country.
Source, please?
While there are environmental/land use/ect concerns, the worst I've seen from an engineer is that it would be "difficult". Funding is also possible - Trump's remittance ban is brilliant, IMO.
I haven't heard much about it damaging our country though, I'd love to see stats on that.
And illegal. There is no means to legally seize funds in this way and if there ever was people would stop using the current means to send money. There is also no means to identify money sent from legal residents to people in Mexico. So unless Trump plans on shutting down Western Union I don't see this being a practical solution.
And illegal. There is no means to legally seize funds in this way and if there ever was people would stop using the current means to send money, effectively closing down Western Union(so much for helping grow jobs.) There is also no means to identify money sent from legal residents to people in Mexico. So unless Trump plans on shutting down Western Union I don't see this being a practical solution.
No, its not. There is precedent for the government seizing funds sent to mexico before, and western union has granted the government high levels of access to its transfer info. Furthermore, even the threat of this action may be enough - remittances are a $20+ billion part of the mexican economy - they would have no choice but to comply.
EDIT: Since you're basically ignoring every valid point I make, I'm going to count that you agree with me. If you're going to dismiss them as "We've discussed this before", you're conceding that you have nothing from the prior discussion to disprove my assertion. Glad we can agree that your prior claims of racism are based in delusional fantasy.
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The KKK is responsible for FAR less violence in this political cycle than BLM. So I guess you are right; both groups have hateful rhetoric about racial supremacy, but only BLM destroys property and hurts people, while the KKK peacefully demonstrates.
Yes, all three groups are radical racial supremacy groups that have actively advertised violence and death to other races. Liberal apologists will dismiss both, but fact is that in the past five years the KKK and neo-nazis are responsible for far less violence than BLM and La Raza.
Good news and bad news for you - the vast, vast majority of conservatives think that the KKK is repulsive. Sadly, the same can't be said of liberals and their most extreme wings. Instead, they'll often defend their psychopaths instead of disowning them, hiding behind crybully tactics and cries of whatever -ism they think applies.
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Yes, all three groups are radical racial supremacy groups that have actively advertised violence and death to other races. Liberal apologists will dismiss both, but fact is that in the past five years the KKK and neo-nazis are responsible for far less violence than BLM and La Raza.
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Because the BLM movement is far larger than both as well as far more credible in the public eye- it has much more power.
Do you have any actual data to back up this claim?
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Despite his act Trump knew exactly how David Duke was at the time of questioning. He had gone on record previously saying that David Duke was a bigot, but when the time came for him to disavow his support Trump couldn't do it. This is almost certainly to do with the number of voters he would have risked on Super Tuesday by disavowing David Duke and the KKK before the vote. Trump knew exactly what he was doing and who his voting base was that day. This is not an implication that Trump supports the KKK but a confirmation that a non trivial amount of Trump supporters (at the time of super Tuesday at least) are white supremacists or members of the KKK.
I have a Helpful hint for you! Correlation is not equivalence, identifying similarities between two things is not equivalence.
With that said, I would advise not to straw man peoples arguments, , especially when people are arguing about the difference in the value between all three groups (i.e. one is worse than the other). The question I asked, in essence, is can you correlate all three of these groups with "radicalism"
While both groups espouse hateful racial rhetoric, the KKK released an angry letter about self-defense while BLM has encouraged and celebrated the killing of white cops. My bad, clearly BLM is worse.
Bull*****. If you watch the interview, there was an obvious bit of confusion on Trump's part in answering the question. He then went on to disavow duke publicly on multiple shows and his twitter, immediately after the interview. This is a non-issue, and the only reason to bring it up would be to further a gross mischaracterization of trump.
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You ignore the timing of the disavowal for the benefit of your argument. The interview where he wouldn't disavow Duke/the KKK came just before super Tuesday where several deep south states were to vote. After he won many of those states he did disavow. But if you don't see that he withheld his statement till after the vote on purpose for fear of alienating a part of his voting base then I don't know what to tell you. Trump is aware that part of his base is racist and played that to his advantage on super Tuesday.
And that'd be a great theory if donald hadn't disavowed duke's endorsement two days before the interview AND disavowed duke three hours after the interview on twitter in response to the CNN tweet that started this non-issue.
You've gotta stop with this garbage - he disavowed him publicly before AND after, and was clearly confused during the interview. You can't spin this into him trying to get votes since there was barely a three-hour period where his position on the KKK could even be characterized as unclear. All you're doing is feeding into the bull***** narrative that conservatives are racist and using that as an excuse to demonize legitimate positions and candidates.
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And at no point did I say that conservatives are racists. The point was that a non trivial amount of Trump supporters are in fact racists, which Trump is aware of. A point that is extremely clear upon examination of the evidence.
Also just to clarify are you trying to say that building a wall, banning all Muslims, and targeting civilians on the battlefield are legitimate positions to have?
Now I'm 100% certain you're being disingenuous. MTGS seems to censor twitter links, but the literal FIRST google result for "Trump Twitter Disavow" is this link: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/703996959544250373. If you're going to intentionally stay misinformed, please stop representing your lies as fact. Regarding how "hard" it was to disavow: Trump stated that there were audio issues during the interview. He had no problem disavowing duke immediately after the issue was made public. Just give it up, man, your bias is showing pretty hard.
Lies and intentional misinformation aren't "evidence" - they're your incorrect opinion. If you'd like to present actual evidence of actual racism, you might have a point instead of a pile of crap. Fact is, many conservatives hold opinions on a variety of issues that you simply label as racist because you disagree with them and have no better argument against them. Do you even realize that this kind of emotionally charged labelling is the reason trump has become so successful in the first place?
Building a wall is a completely valid and arguable position. The purpose of the wall is to prevent the massive amount of illegal activity that the current relatively open border facilities. If you're going to dismiss it as racist (which, at BEST, is barely tangential to the actual stated purpose of the wall), you're refusing to engage with the issues that the discussion is about - but you would be proving my point about your agenda.
The fact that you'd call the suggestion "banning all muslims" suggests to me that you're intentionally misinformed or lying on this issue as well. Trump has suggested a moratorium on non-citizen muslims from entering the country until a proper system can be put in place. Looking at the european crisis, not only is this opinion valid, but it is a far more rational approach than say, germany and france have taken. Are you really going to argue that the rape, terrorism, and culture crises in the countries that have allowed mass, barely regulated muslim immigration are a good thing?
Finally - Targeting civilians on the battlefield is brutal, but how is it racist? If that is what you're suggesting, then you're conflating two completely unrelated issues. Again.
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I'm denying that a non-trivial amount of trump supporters are racists - and of the few that are, they support the conservative platform out of necessity (conservatives oppose open borders, for example), not because it caters to them. To color Trump's platform, or a substantial part of his base as racist is, at best, misinformed and at worst, intentionally misleading. From your representations in our brief interaction, you definitely fall into the latter category.
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If you want to go on believing that Trump does not receive significant support from racist groups feel free but its just not the case.
You've provided no evidence outside of a crazy conspiracy theory where Trump refuses to denounce Duke for votes, which I've disproved despite your multiple attempts to stay misinformed.
If you want to argue efficacy, go ahead (I disagree). But how is an ineffective wall racist? If you want to color the suggestion of building a wall to alleviate crime racist, either show my how it is or admit you're wrong.
Gonna ignore your personal attack here, but since you wont link to any data, here is some data about what muslim immigrants are responsible for in europe:
Violence
Shootouts and gangs
No-Go Muslim Only Zones
Rape Gangs
Rape Crisis
Insane expenses for upkeep
Merkel's approval since she started importing muslims
Merkel admitting they lost control of muslim immigration
Muslims immigration in europe has been handled worse than the euro. They're causing cultural collapse with muslim-only zones, overrunning small cities in sweden. They've been responsible for disproportionately huge amounts of violence and rape, and they've been a massive economic burden on the region. The people of these countries, and even their leaders admit to messing the whole thing up - and you're going to DEFEND this bull*****? Or, are you once again completely uninformed and pulling your "data" from facebook posts? Fact is that the muslim crisis in europe is a collosal ****hole right now, and Trump saying that maybe we should step back and make sure we're doing it right is something that the entirety of europe would support right now.
So please, again - tell me how this position is racist?
Again, great, you can argue this - but it isn't racist. So we can agree that this has no relation to the discussion we're having now?
You've addresses exactly zero of the points I've made, and you've brought no evidence to back up your opinion. You can "feel" all you want, you're wrong - and trying to make it seem like you're "right" by putting on blinders and repeating that he's racist with literally nothing to back you up isn't making you look like and intelligent and informed participant in the political process, and has no place in a debate forum.
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BLM has been responsible for more violence and more calls for violence against whites than the KKK has against blacks in this political cycle. Just because they position themselves as a civil rights groups means ***** when the co-founder calls for killing all whites. BLM is worse. It isn't defamatory - its fact. More importantly, this was a tangent on my discussion of claims of racism in the trump campaign. Onto that:
...Are you even paying attention anymore? You're contradicting yourself two sentences apart. Either show me facts or shut the **** up and get out of the thread.
I've shown you that the moratorium on muslims is based on very real issues, and you've completely failed to address this. Either concede that the position isn't racist, or show me how it is.
Furthermore, rape is a very real issue on the border and with illegals.
Rape is a part of latino culture.
Those involved in the illegal process are pretty much all rapists.
Thousands of rapists and child rapists are deported every year.
Mexico is also responsible for TONS of drug trafficking, if you wanted to address the entire quote.
As much as you'd like it to be true, facts are not racist. Illegals on the mexican border are disproportionately responsible for rape and drug offenses in this country, and that is a very real problem that the wall addresses (in addition to the base problem of illegal immigration). You're applying the label to issues you disagree with emotionally, and have no facts to back yourself up. You're wrong - either admit it and correct your position, or admit that you'll hold on to a completely fallacious opinion despite facts being entirely against you.
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I don't feel the need to retread these points to satisfy you.
Now please provide a citation for when the co-founder of BLM calls for killing all whites. That would be nice to see.
No. It's not. Ask anyone who knows anything about the subject (other than Trump) and they will tell you it is impractical, stupid, misinformed, and actually damaging to our country.
"You say 'learn from history,' but that does not mean 'learn the same bull***** the people in history learned alongside phrenology and alchemy.'" - The Blinking Spirit
You expect me to go through 140 pages of discussion when you can't be bothered to go through one paragraph? Right.
Really? What stats do you use? Because every stat I've seen showing that use the entire immigrant population, legal and illegal, to make that determination - which is fallacious reasoning, since trump's platform is only concerned with illegals.
Most states dont track legal status, but the fed does. My stats are from INS, the DEA, and other federal orgs - and they all show that illegals are responsible for the majority of drugs and half of ALL federal offenses. Illegals are also far more likely to be incarcerated. If you can't be bothered to even cite your sources and are dismissive of new sources, then your attitude is cancerous to progress through discussion. Your dogma is bull*****, and discussing something once means nothing when you're demonstrably wrong.
If you read the news, you will realize that syrian refugees have destroyed europe. You've again failed to assert a single fact here, and you obviously haven't clicked on a single link I've provided disputing your completely incorrect claim. If you choose to categorize opposition to destructive policies "fear", go for it - but I would ask that you quit trying to characterize my approach as fear, though - my wife is a muslim, and your pejorative garbage is offensive to both of us.
Link? Opinions on efficacy are all over the place, and holding remittances (as suggested by trump) is a very real way to force mexico to pay.
Sadly, I don't think you'd feel the need to reconsider a point if it was holding a gun to your head. But you clearly don't approach trump or conservatives intellectually.
Hint: You could have googled this in less time than it took you to type out this sentence.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/4729/toronto-black-lives-matter-co-founder-allah-give-harry-khachatrian
I'm surprised that someone SO well informed didn't catch this at all.
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This, while a horrible thing to say, is different from what you claimed.
Source, please?
While there are environmental/land use/ect concerns, the worst I've seen from an engineer is that it would be "difficult". Funding is also possible - Trump's remittance ban is brilliant, IMO.
I haven't heard much about it damaging our country though, I'd love to see stats on that.
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No, its not. There is precedent for the government seizing funds sent to mexico before, and western union has granted the government high levels of access to its transfer info. Furthermore, even the threat of this action may be enough - remittances are a $20+ billion part of the mexican economy - they would have no choice but to comply.
Here's another BLM founder threatening whites and inciting violence.
And here are BLM protestors chanting for dead cops.
Again, a quick google will show you tons of instances of BLM protestors and spokespeople encouraging and celebrating violence against whites. BLM is worse trash than the modern KKK.
EDIT: Since you're basically ignoring every valid point I make, I'm going to count that you agree with me. If you're going to dismiss them as "We've discussed this before", you're conceding that you have nothing from the prior discussion to disprove my assertion. Glad we can agree that your prior claims of racism are based in delusional fantasy.
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