Donald is the pink teddy bear. The young woman represents all the American gals that are lifting Mr. Trump up and into the political ring, so that he can wage manly war against the enemies of MuriKa. And the purple, one-horned, bare-chested, sadistic puppet represents the status quo politicians of this corrupt era that prefer a one party system. A bit o' violence is needed to tip the proverbial scales back towards liberty. (Fist of power and gaze of double death). Foreigners have captured and imprisoned many good/great American citizens, and these citizens are represented by all the other small and relatively weak puppets that are allowed to get revenge on the overlords of the krapitalist politicians. In the process, the creative and free-spirited musicians are let out of prison too. Thanks ladies, and thank you Donald J. Trump. Winners win, and cannot be kept down for long.
That is the end of my artistic analysis. "Like" if you enjoyed.
Yes, Trump is radioactive, but not in the way you're thinking.
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Quick change of pace, I read the following article on HuffPost about the prospects of a Trump presidency, specifically in the light of how new Presidents have formed relationships with the military.
What do you guys think? Would the military follow Trump's orders if he were elected President? What are some best case/worst case scenarios for how that could play out?
They would have to. As a soldier you don't have the choice to disobey the commander n' chief. Short of orders that are blatantly and extremely in violation of American law it would be dereliction of duties not to obey the orders of the president no matter what your personal opinions of that president may be.
There is following orders and 'following orders'. The military has a lot of political power and they know how to push back against an administration they do not agree with. eg. the president cannot forbid a general from testifying in front of Congress. The president can fire a general but that has political consequences. It really depends on how much political blowback a president is willing to tolerate.
Trump has not been very respectful of veterans.
I concur with the points you made about generals and their political options. Soldiers almost always follow orders, but exceptions abound.
The candidate that soldiers and vets support the MOST has not been respectful to them? Perchance you are confusing Hillary with Trump.
Soldiers only have to follow "lawful" orders. Article 92 of the UCMJ states in part:
(1) violates or fails to obey any lawful general order or regulation;
(2) having knowledge of any other lawful order issued by any member of the armed forces, which it is his duty to obey, fails to obey the order; or
(3) is derelict in the performance of his duties;
If someone is court martialed under this section, the fact of the order not being lawful is a valid affirmative defense. I do realize (and so do the authors of the UCMJ) that this puts each soldier in the position of deciding what is lawful. But, the idea is that the conscience of every soldier and officer should be enough to make that decision. For example, we don't hold accountable for theft only those people who have the expertise and authority to read the state criminal statute on Larceny. We hold everyone accountable, since criminal law is intended to be based on things that everyone ought to know are wrong. It's the same kind of accountability on each member of the military to be able to decide which orders are lawful.
Basically, if "just following orders" isn't a defense, then there are situations where the military shouldn't follow orders. We trust the military itself to know what those situations are.
Also if you read the article, Rummsfeld's general order on "enhanced interrogation techniques" was one what was taken with varying levels of obedience. That's a specific example where orders aren't getting followed when they aren't agreed with. Rummsfeld would have to remove or otherwise deal with by court martial generals he didn't feel were following the order, which obviously didn't happen. It's the same thing with Trump's hypothetical orders to ICE to deport Muslims, or take your pick of dubious things Trump has said he would do. The agency he's commanding could say no, then a polotical fight would erupt in the court system.
Yes, we already know Trump rips musicians off for his own purposes. Adele, Aerosmith, and Bruce Springsteen have all come down on Trump for playing their songs at his campaign rallies. So you don't have to give us another demonstration of flagrant musical appropriation -- it's just redundant at this point.
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Quick change of pace, I read the following article on HuffPost about the prospects of a Trump presidency, specifically in the light of how new Presidents have formed relationships with the military.
What do you guys think? Would the military follow Trump's orders if he were elected President? What are some best case/worst case scenarios for how that could play out?
They would have to. As a soldier you don't have the choice to disobey the commander n' chief. Short of orders that are blatantly and extremely in violation of American law it would be dereliction of duties not to obey the orders of the president no matter what your personal opinions of that president may be.
There is following orders and 'following orders'. The military has a lot of political power and they know how to push back against an administration they do not agree with. eg. the president cannot forbid a general from testifying in front of Congress. The president can fire a general but that has political consequences. It really depends on how much political blowback a president is willing to tolerate.
Trump has not been very respectful of veterans.
I concur with the points you made about generals and their political options. Soldiers almost always follow orders, but exceptions abound.
The candidate that soldiers and vets support the MOST has not been respectful to them? Perchance you are confusing Hillary with Trump.
Soldiers only have to follow "lawful" orders. Article 92 of the UCMJ states in part:
(1) violates or fails to obey any lawful general order or regulation;
(2) having knowledge of any other lawful order issued by any member of the armed forces, which it is his duty to obey, fails to obey the order; or
(3) is derelict in the performance of his duties;
If someone is court martialed under this section, the fact of the order not being lawful is a valid affirmative defense. I do realize (and so do the authors of the UCMJ) that this puts each soldier in the position of deciding what is lawful. But, the idea is that the conscience of every soldier and officer should be enough to make that decision. For example, we don't hold accountable for theft only those people who have the expertise and authority to read the state criminal statute on Larceny. We hold everyone accountable, since criminal law is intended to be based on things that everyone ought to know are wrong. It's the same kind of accountability on each member of the military to be able to decide which orders are lawful.
Basically, if "just following orders" isn't a defense, then there are situations where the military shouldn't follow orders. We trust the military itself to know what those situations are.
Also if you read the article, Rummsfeld's general order on "enhanced interrogation techniques" was one what was taken with varying levels of obedience. That's a specific example where orders aren't getting followed when they aren't agreed with. Rummsfeld would have to remove or otherwise deal with by court martial generals he didn't feel were following the order, which obviously didn't happen. It's the same thing with Trump's hypothetical orders to ICE to deport Muslims, or take your pick of dubious things Trump has said he would do. The agency he's commanding could say no, then a polotical fight would erupt in the court system.
I very much appreciate your reasoned thoughts on this topic. The details about Donald Rumsfeld and his orders for soldiers is noteworthy. Trump should only give orders to deport peeps that are here illegally. He has talked about pausing immigration of non-citizen Muslims, and that should not cause a conflict with ICE. Interesting times for sure. Fundamental transformation might just be right around the corner for America.
Did you get a chance to see Trump's policy speech from this morning?
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The internet has played a large role in polarizing politics, but it really doesn't tell the full story in why Trump has become so popular.
Fear.
People are afraid. They see their financial situation as perilous, they see the state of the country as moving in a direction that alienates them, they see an uncertain future, and they are afraid.
Enter Trump. Trump says everything he can to foment their fears, and then says that everything that the people fear is not their fault, but the fault of politicians of both the Republican and Democratic side. All of their problems, he says, that they and the people like them suffer are the result of people who are not like them. The Others - the foreigners, foreign countries, the people who believe things different from them, the people who exist in a different socio-economic bracket from them, and above all, the people involved in politics. They are the reason for the mess in this country. But not to worry. There is a simple solution: vote for Trump. All of these problems have very simple to understand answers, extremely simple to understand answers. Everything is simple to fix, and the only reason people haven't done it yet is because they're corrupt and all in league with each other.
But Trump will fix things up. He'll fix everything up. Just you see. But hurry! Time's running out! We've got to save America, and there's a narrow window of time. Only Trump can fix this, no one else. So vote Trump, and everything is solved.
That's why Trump is popular. He has all of the elements of a proper con. You tell someone there's an incredible problem that causes them fear, and you combine that with a sense of urgency in the person. You then tell them there's a very simple solution to the problem, and that all they have to do is trust you to fix it for them. It's called a confidence scheme, or "con."
Everyone Trump pisses off enough to get them to declare war, should he have any time in the White House?
You mean the 205 other sovereign states?
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People are afraid. They see their financial situation as perilous, they see the state of the country as moving in a direction that alienates them, they see an uncertain future, and they are afraid.
Enter Trump. Trump says everything he can to foment their fears, and then says that everything that the people fear is not their fault, but the fault of politicians of both the Republican and Democratic side. All of their problems, he says, that they and the people like them suffer are the result of people who are not like them. The Others - the foreigners, foreign countries, the people who believe things different from them, the people who exist in a different socio-economic bracket from them, and above all, the people involved in politics. They are the reason for the mess in this country. But not to worry. There is a simple solution: vote for Trump. All of these problems have very simple to understand answers, extremely simple to understand answers. Everything is simple to fix, and the only reason people haven't done it yet is because they're corrupt and all in league with each other.
But Trump will fix things up. He'll fix everything up. Just you see. But hurry! Time's running out! We've got to save America, and there's a narrow window of time. Only Trump can fix this, no one else. So vote Trump, and everything is solved.
That's why Trump is popular. He has all of the elements of a proper con. You tell someone there's an incredible problem that causes them fear, and you combine that with a sense of urgency in the person. You then tell them there's a very simple solution to the problem, and that all they have to do is trust you to fix it for them. It's called a confidence scheme, or "con."
Yeah, I get the nature of the con. I just don't get how anybody is falling for it. Typically speaking, a good con man doesn't look like a con man. But Trump is straight out of Central Casting for a call of "greedy amoral manipulative shark".
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People are afraid. They see their financial situation as perilous, they see the state of the country as moving in a direction that alienates them, they see an uncertain future, and they are afraid.
Enter Trump. Trump says everything he can to foment their fears, and then says that everything that the people fear is not their fault, but the fault of politicians of both the Republican and Democratic side. All of their problems, he says, that they and the people like them suffer are the result of people who are not like them. The Others - the foreigners, foreign countries, the people who believe things different from them, the people who exist in a different socio-economic bracket from them, and above all, the people involved in politics. They are the reason for the mess in this country. But not to worry. There is a simple solution: vote for Trump. All of these problems have very simple to understand answers, extremely simple to understand answers. Everything is simple to fix, and the only reason people haven't done it yet is because they're corrupt and all in league with each other.
But Trump will fix things up. He'll fix everything up. Just you see. But hurry! Time's running out! We've got to save America, and there's a narrow window of time. Only Trump can fix this, no one else. So vote Trump, and everything is solved.
That's why Trump is popular. He has all of the elements of a proper con. You tell someone there's an incredible problem that causes them fear, and you combine that with a sense of urgency in the person. You then tell them there's a very simple solution to the problem, and that all they have to do is trust you to fix it for them. It's called a confidence scheme, or "con."
Yeah, I get the nature of the con. I just don't get how anybody is falling for it. Typically speaking, a good con man doesn't look like a con man. But Trump is straight out of Central Casting for a call of "greedy amoral manipulative shark".
Agree entirely. Hell, it's what makes scott Adams supporting him so surprising (or would if adams wasn't a nut). If you replaced the image of trump with the pointy haired boss the message wouldn't be that different.
Everyone Trump pisses off enough to get them to declare war, should he have any time in the White House?
You mean the 205 other sovereign states?
I'm more worried about the seriously bad economic policies he wants to push on the rest of the world. Trade wars and such are going to be a real problem for us if Trump gets his way.
I'm more worried about the seriously bad economic policies he wants to push on the rest of the world. Trade wars and such are going to be a real problem for us if Trump gets his way.
Indeed. His top priority is to "Make America great again," and screw over the rest of the world in the process. The only problem is, America is part of that world, despite how desperately he would like to think otherwise.
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I am fascinated by the hypothesis that Trump is exploiting fear, and that is bad, but it is peachy keen groovy for anyone and everyone else to exploit fear. This thread is full to the brim of scare tactics and fear mongering against Trump, but it is a sin for him to use the same tactic. Of course, I believe he is telling the truth a LOT more than trying to scare the citizenry. But even if you guys are right about fear dominating his strat, why is that bad for him to do and good for you and your team? (Curious to see if I get a straight answer, or just more ad hominem and/or sarcasm).
An interesting read about Trump's foreign policy speech follows:
I doubt he will win 40 states, but the article had interesting tidbits about the ambassador and that think tank. Also, Lindsey Graham shows his true colors.
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I'm more worried about the seriously bad economic policies he wants to push on the rest of the world. Trade wars and such are going to be a real problem for us if Trump gets his way.
Indeed. His top priority is to "Make America great again," and screw over the rest of the world in the process. The only problem is, America is part of that world, despite how desperately he would like to think otherwise.
I've always been curious by what people think he means when he says "make America great again." When specifically are we trying to emulate with such a slogan. I am hard pressed to think of a time that is inherently better for more citizens than the present day or very recent past. It just a slogan designed to prey on ignorance, suggesting that there was some golden time where we had no problems and everyone was rich that we have to get back to.
Yeah, I get the nature of the con. I just don't get how anybody is falling for it. Typically speaking, a good con man doesn't look like a con man. But Trump is straight out of Central Casting for a call of "greedy amoral manipulative shark".
True.
Although, what, 12-18% or more of the American people thought 9/11 was an inside job? Trump's voter ratings are about comparable to that.
I am fascinated by the hypothesis that Trump is exploiting fear, and that is bad, but it is peachy keen groovy for anyone and everyone else to exploit fear.
I'm more worried about the seriously bad economic policies he wants to push on the rest of the world. Trade wars and such are going to be a real problem for us if Trump gets his way.
Indeed. His top priority is to "Make America great again," and screw over the rest of the world in the process. The only problem is, America is part of that world, despite how desperately he would like to think otherwise.
I've always been curious by what people think he means when he says "make America great again." When specifically are we trying to emulate with such a slogan. I am hard pressed to think of a time that is inherently better for more citizens than the present day or very recent past. It just a slogan designed to prey on ignorance, suggesting that there was some golden time where we had no problems and everyone was rich that we have to get back to.
Fascinating. I know what he means because I live in America, and I listen to his speeches, and I listen to talk radio, and I read the paper, and I watch/read stories from CNN et al, and I read books, and I talk with lots of people in English and Spanish, and I peruse many great websites, and I ponder deeply. Political forums contain value too, but one must wade through the sea of contrarians and zealots that obstruct the path. Knowledge and wisdom come at a price, and I am happy to pay it.
Reality always wins, and that is why the Krapitalists are losing control of more and more people. I wonder what strat they will try next. Conspiring men.
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Fascinating. I know what he means because I live in America, and I listen to his speeches, and I listen to talk radio, and I read the paper, and I watch/read stories from CNN et al, and I read books, and I talk with lots of people in English and Spanish, and I peruse many great websites, and I ponder deeply. Political forums contain value too, but one must wade through the sea of contrarians and zealots that obstruct the path. Knowledge and wisdom come at a price, and I am happy to pay it.
Alright then, if you so clearly know what he means, please enlighten us.
I am fascinated by the hypothesis that Trump is exploiting fear, and that is bad, but it is peachy keen groovy for anyone and everyone else to exploit fear.
And I'm fascinated by the fact you so zealously defend Trump's fear mongering, and mercilessly rip everyone apart for it.
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"You say 'learn from history,' but that does not mean 'learn the same bull***** the people in history learned alongside phrenology and alchemy.'" - The Blinking Spirit
I am fascinated by the hypothesis that Trump is exploiting fear, and that is bad, but it is peachy keen groovy for anyone and everyone else to exploit fear. This thread is full to the brim of scare tactics and fear mongering against Trump, but it is a sin for him to use the same tactic. Of course, I believe he is telling the truth a LOT more than trying to scare the citizenry. But even if you guys are right about fear dominating his strat, why is that bad for him to do and good for you and your team?
Because we're not generating fear artificially. We're not generating fear at all. We are pointing out very real reasons for rejecting Trump based on his own words and actions. Our purpose is not to make you afraid; it's to make you not vote for Trump. Trump, on the other hand, is lying through his teeth to make the situation seem more threatening than it is, in particular making foreign and nonwhite people seem threatening to American white people. He says immigrants are going to come and rape us -- no they're not. He says the Trans-Pacific Partnership is a backdoor for Chinese exploitation -- no it's not. He says blacks kill 81 percent of white homicide victims - no they don't. And when he's not race-baiting, he's lying about the economy to incite desperation about the future. He says the unemployment rate is in the 40s -- no it's not. He says the GDP under Obama is below zero -- no it's not. He uses highly emotive rhetoric of violence and humiliation: violence to make you afraid, and humiliation to make you angry.
That's the hook of the con. Then he pulls on the line by telling you he's the only man who can protect you and punish your oppressors. He proposes solutions for the problems he has invented or exaggerated. Never mind the solutions are short-sighted and self-destructive -- they're dramatic and they sound like they'll hurt the bad guys, which is exciting. All you have to do is give him supreme executive power. And that ask ought to be where his true intentions become blindingly obvious to everyone, just as the con ought to become obvious when the con man asks you for your bank account information. But somehow, for the people who have swallowed the hook, he actually looks like a benevolent savior.
(Look at your own "artistic analysis" of "Radioactive". It is perhaps more revealing than you intended. It's all there: starry-eyed hero worship for Trump, humiliation of good Americans, violent vengeance against foreigners. Hell, you even throw a bit of the old Trumpian sexism into the mix with the women lifting up Trump for "manly war".)
Now, tell me where Trump's opponents on this thread are doing any of this. We're not telling racist lies, we're not asking for you to give us the keys to the kingdom, and we certainly don't have a Messiah figure. All we're saying is that Trump is a terrible presidential candidate.
The candidate that soldiers and vets support the MOST has not been respectful to them? Perchance you are confusing Hillary with Trump.
Did you read the article?
It is by HuffPo, which has a sad and embarassing history of propaganda. I did read the article. It was a hit piece. Tried and true tactic of taking quotes out of context was rampant. I am very NOT surprised. Once in a while HuffPo has a valid article. (Even a broken clock is right twice per day). The vast majority of vets will vote for Trump in the general. Very few vets will vote for HRC. (Some people abuse drugs, so I took that into account before typing the last sentence).
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It is by HuffPo, which has a sad and embarassing history of propaganda. I did read the article. It was a hit piece. Tried and true tactic of taking quotes out of context was rampant.
This accusation is meaningless unless you can provide the proper context and thereby show us what the quotes ought to mean. If you can't, you've got no idea whether the quotes were taken out of context or not. You're just using "quotes out of context" as a knee-jerk method of dismissing a message you don't agree with.
I am very NOT surprised. Once in a while HuffPo has a valid article. (Even a broken clock is right twice per day).
And in this case the "valid article" just so happens to be the one you think supports Trump's narrative of Mexican rapists, right? What makes that article not propaganda?
I am fascinated by the hypothesis that Trump is exploiting fear, and that is bad, but it is peachy keen groovy for anyone and everyone else to exploit fear. This thread is full to the brim of scare tactics and fear mongering against Trump, but it is a sin for him to use the same tactic. Of course, I believe he is telling the truth a LOT more than trying to scare the citizenry. But even if you guys are right about fear dominating his strat, why is that bad for him to do and good for you and your team?
Because we're not generating fear artificially. We're not generating fear at all. We are pointing out very real reasons for rejecting Trump based on his own words and actions. Our purpose is not to make you afraid; it's to make you not vote for Trump. Trump, on the other hand, is lying through his teeth to make the situation seem more threatening than it is, in particular making foreign and nonwhite people seem threatening to American white people. He says immigrants are going to come and rape us -- no they're not. He says the Trans-Pacific Partnership is a backdoor for Chinese exploitation -- no it's not. He says blacks kill 81 percent of white homicide victims - no they don't. And when he's not race-baiting, he's lying about the economy to incite desperation about the future. He says the unemployment rate is in the 40s -- no it's not. He says the GDP under Obama is below zero -- no it's not. He uses highly emotive rhetoric of violence and humiliation: violence to make you afraid, and humiliation to make you angry. That's the hook of the con. Then he pulls on the line by telling you he's the only man who can protect you and punish your oppressors. All you have to do is give him supreme executive power. And that ask ought to be where his true intentions ought to be blindingly obvious to everyone, just as the con ought to become obvious when the con man asks you for your bank account information. But somehow, for the people who have swallowed the hook, he actually looks like a benevolent savior.
(Look at your own "artistic analysis" of "Radioactive". It is perhaps more revealing than you intended. It's all there: starry-eyed hero worship for Trump, humiliation of good Americans, violent vengeance against foreigners. Hell, you even throw a bit of the old Trumpian sexism into the mix with the women lifting up Trump for "manly war".)
Now, tell me where Trump's opponents on this thread are doing any of this. We're not telling racist lies, we're not asking for you to give us the keys to the kingdom, and we certainly don't have a Messiah figure. All we're saying is that Trump is a terrible presidential candidate.
(Curious to see if I get a straight answer, or just more ad hominem and/or sarcasm).
We still haven't gotten a straight answer about whether you bothered to read the research on immigrant crime. Glass house, don't throw stones.
ICE releases 19,723 criminal illegals, 208 convicted of murder, 900 of sex crimes
4-28-16
The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency in 2015 decided not to deport but release 19,723 criminal illegal immigrants, including 208 convicted of murder, over 900 convicted of sex crimes and 12,307 of drunk driving, according to new government numbers.
Overall, those released into virtually every state and territory of America had a total of 64,197 convictions among them, for an average of 3.25 convictions each, according to an analysis by the Center for Immigration Studies. ICE also said that the group were convicted of 8,234 violent crimes.
Meanwhile, ICE said that it has also slashed the number of criminals arrested in local communities, according to the Center's Director of Policy Studies, Jessica M. Vaughan. "In 2015, ICE made 119,772 arrests, or just half the number of arrests made in 2013, 232,287," she said in her analysis that also included a map of the releases.
The reason: Under President Obama's immigration policy changes, many criminal immigrants are being ignored even though local police and sheriff have urged ICE to take control of criminals in their jails and deport them.
She said that the slash of arrests is why the number of releases by ICE is down. In 2014, 30,000 criminal illegals were released.
ICE for the first time explained why the illegals were released, with more than half ordered free by courts and in over 2,100 cases because their home countries didn't want them back.
"When ICE releases criminal aliens instead of deporting them, the chances are high that the aliens will re-offend. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, approximately 71 percent of violent offenders, 77 percent of drug offenders, and 82 percent of property offenders will be arrested for a new crime within five years of release from jail or prison. Drunk drivers are especially prone to offend repeatedly. According to an FBI statistic cited by Mothers Against Drunk Driving, the average drunk driver has driven drunk 80 times before ever being arrested."
As I said, reality always wins. Krapitalists know how to get filthy rich, but they do NOT know how to improve/strengthen America.
I was as surprised as anyone to realize that Trump actually has the best chance at leading this country back from the brink. No guarantee of course. Donpool!
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Fascinating. I know what he means because I live in America, and I listen to his speeches, and I listen to talk radio, and I read the paper, and I watch/read stories from CNN et al, and I read books, and I talk with lots of people in English and Spanish, and I peruse many great websites, and I ponder deeply. Political forums contain value too, but one must wade through the sea of contrarians and zealots that obstruct the path. Knowledge and wisdom come at a price, and I am happy to pay it.
Alright then, if you so clearly know what he means, please enlighten us.
I am fascinated by the hypothesis that Trump is exploiting fear, and that is bad, but it is peachy keen groovy for anyone and everyone else to exploit fear.
And I'm fascinated by the fact you so zealously defend Trump's fear mongering, and mercilessly rip everyone apart for it.
1) Improve the economy for American citizens. This involves vigorously enforcing our moral and logical immigration laws, decreasing/stopping corporate inversion, actually trying to get good trade deals, slowing/stopping the drunken sailor spending spree, renogotiating a host of deals r/t military deployments, etc... There are a plethora of ways we can get more bang for our proverbial buck.
2) No matter how rude you and others are to my person, reality will always win. Whether you embrace the truth or not, truth will prevail. Always has, always will.
3) I am NOT afraid of hearing the truth, from you or anyone else. It can be disturbing and difficult to adapt to truth, but I do NOT find improvement scary. How do I "mercilessly rip everyone apart" when I discuss Trump? Are you alleging that I am mean and nasty to "every" other poster in these forums? Are you alleging that I am mean and nasty to "every" other human on the planet? How have I ripped you apart on this topic? Or did you actually mean that I disagree forcefully and consistently with "everyone" that worships big government? I do disagree with anyone that votes for neverending big government. And I do consider Boehner and McConnell and Reid and Pelosi as enemies of liberty. Just my opinion. And don't worry, as I 100% oppose the theocratic and dictatorial ways in which many "leaders" around the world force their citizens to comply. Even if they came after big government voters, I would oppose them. Forcing other competent adults to "be good" is a path/philosophy that always leads to misery and suffering. I disagree with the new religion called big gvt, but I do NOT want to behave like GW Bush or Obama or Stalin or Mao or Castro or Chavez or HRC. Savvy?
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Actually defends Obama's legacy, while commenting extensively on the fact that so many Americans believe falsehoods about the economy: "the deficit has in fact declined (by roughly three-quarters) since [Obama] took office, and polls do show that a large majority of Americans believe the opposite."
The numbers are correct, which is to say that they indicate the United States GDP growth rate is positive, and that when Trump said it was negative, he was not telling the truth. Furthermore, the assertion that "The rate of real economic growth is the single greatest determinate of both America’s strength as a nation and the well-being of the American people" is not correct: in fact developing countries almost always have higher growth rates than developed ones, since they're, y'know, developing. Is America weaker and worse off than Bangledesh? Because Bangledesh's GDP growth rate is about 6%. So even if Trump had used the accurate figure, he was using a statistic that is easily misleading to those who don't understand it.
1) Improve the economy for American citizens. This involves vigorously enforcing our moral and logical immigration laws, decreasing/stopping corporate inversion, actually trying to get good trade deals, slowing/stopping the drunken sailor spending spree, renogotiating a host of deals r/t military deployments, etc... There are a plethora of ways we can get more bang for our proverbial buck.
We have shown several times that Trump's proposed strategies will harm America more than help it. Not the mention that it would be practically impossible for him to execute them. No way in hell he's going to get congressional approval to build a giant wall in the desert. Working directly against the system does not improve it. Trying to tear down the system to try to build a new one hurts everyone who lives under it, whether they support it or not. That includes you.
2) No matter how rude you and others are to my person, reality will always win. Whether you embrace the truth or not, truth will prevail. Always has, always will.
I've tried to be reasonable with you. Each time anyone makes a decent point against your argument, you change the subject.
3) I am NOT afraid of hearing the truth, from you or anyone else. It can be disturbing and difficult to adapt to truth, but I do NOT find improvement scary. How do I "mercilessly rip everyone apart" when I discuss Trump? Are you alleging that I am mean and nasty to "every" other poster in these forums? Are you alleging that I am mean and nasty to "every" other human on the planet? How have I ripped you apart on this topic? Or did you actually mean that I disagree forcefully and consistently with "everyone" that worships big government? I do disagree with anyone that votes for neverending big government. And I do consider Boehner and McConnell and Reid and Pelosi as enemies of liberty. Just my opinion. And don't worry, as I 100% oppose the theocratic and dictatorial ways in which many "leaders" around the world force their citizens to comply. Even if they came after big government voters, I would oppose them. Forcing other competent adults to "be good" is a path/philosophy that always leads to misery and suffering. I disagree with the new religion called big gvt, but I do NOT want to behave like GW Bush or Obama or Stalin or Mao or Castro or Chavez or HRC. Savvy?
Case in point. I could have sworn we were talking about fear mongering...
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"You say 'learn from history,' but that does not mean 'learn the same bull***** the people in history learned alongside phrenology and alchemy.'" - The Blinking Spirit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktvTqknDobU
Donald is the pink teddy bear. The young woman represents all the American gals that are lifting Mr. Trump up and into the political ring, so that he can wage manly war against the enemies of MuriKa. And the purple, one-horned, bare-chested, sadistic puppet represents the status quo politicians of this corrupt era that prefer a one party system. A bit o' violence is needed to tip the proverbial scales back towards liberty. (Fist of power and gaze of double death). Foreigners have captured and imprisoned many good/great American citizens, and these citizens are represented by all the other small and relatively weak puppets that are allowed to get revenge on the overlords of the krapitalist politicians. In the process, the creative and free-spirited musicians are let out of prison too. Thanks ladies, and thank you Donald J. Trump. Winners win, and cannot be kept down for long.
That is the end of my artistic analysis. "Like" if you enjoyed.
Yes, Trump is radioactive, but not in the way you're thinking.
"You say 'learn from history,' but that does not mean 'learn the same bull***** the people in history learned alongside phrenology and alchemy.'" - The Blinking Spirit
Soldiers only have to follow "lawful" orders. Article 92 of the UCMJ states in part:
(1) violates or fails to obey any lawful general order or regulation;
(2) having knowledge of any other lawful order issued by any member of the armed forces, which it is his duty to obey, fails to obey the order; or
(3) is derelict in the performance of his duties;
If someone is court martialed under this section, the fact of the order not being lawful is a valid affirmative defense. I do realize (and so do the authors of the UCMJ) that this puts each soldier in the position of deciding what is lawful. But, the idea is that the conscience of every soldier and officer should be enough to make that decision. For example, we don't hold accountable for theft only those people who have the expertise and authority to read the state criminal statute on Larceny. We hold everyone accountable, since criminal law is intended to be based on things that everyone ought to know are wrong. It's the same kind of accountability on each member of the military to be able to decide which orders are lawful.
Basically, if "just following orders" isn't a defense, then there are situations where the military shouldn't follow orders. We trust the military itself to know what those situations are.
Also if you read the article, Rummsfeld's general order on "enhanced interrogation techniques" was one what was taken with varying levels of obedience. That's a specific example where orders aren't getting followed when they aren't agreed with. Rummsfeld would have to remove or otherwise deal with by court martial generals he didn't feel were following the order, which obviously didn't happen. It's the same thing with Trump's hypothetical orders to ICE to deport Muslims, or take your pick of dubious things Trump has said he would do. The agency he's commanding could say no, then a polotical fight would erupt in the court system.
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Did you get a chance to see Trump's policy speech from this morning?
People are afraid. They see their financial situation as perilous, they see the state of the country as moving in a direction that alienates them, they see an uncertain future, and they are afraid.
Enter Trump. Trump says everything he can to foment their fears, and then says that everything that the people fear is not their fault, but the fault of politicians of both the Republican and Democratic side. All of their problems, he says, that they and the people like them suffer are the result of people who are not like them. The Others - the foreigners, foreign countries, the people who believe things different from them, the people who exist in a different socio-economic bracket from them, and above all, the people involved in politics. They are the reason for the mess in this country. But not to worry. There is a simple solution: vote for Trump. All of these problems have very simple to understand answers, extremely simple to understand answers. Everything is simple to fix, and the only reason people haven't done it yet is because they're corrupt and all in league with each other.
But Trump will fix things up. He'll fix everything up. Just you see. But hurry! Time's running out! We've got to save America, and there's a narrow window of time. Only Trump can fix this, no one else. So vote Trump, and everything is solved.
That's why Trump is popular. He has all of the elements of a proper con. You tell someone there's an incredible problem that causes them fear, and you combine that with a sense of urgency in the person. You then tell them there's a very simple solution to the problem, and that all they have to do is trust you to fix it for them. It's called a confidence scheme, or "con."
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You mean the 205 other sovereign states?
"You say 'learn from history,' but that does not mean 'learn the same bull***** the people in history learned alongside phrenology and alchemy.'" - The Blinking Spirit
candidus inperti; si nil, his utere mecum.
Agree entirely. Hell, it's what makes scott Adams supporting him so surprising (or would if adams wasn't a nut). If you replaced the image of trump with the pointy haired boss the message wouldn't be that different.
Indeed. His top priority is to "Make America great again," and screw over the rest of the world in the process. The only problem is, America is part of that world, despite how desperately he would like to think otherwise.
Edit: Case in point.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-idUSKCN0XO10R
"You say 'learn from history,' but that does not mean 'learn the same bull***** the people in history learned alongside phrenology and alchemy.'" - The Blinking Spirit
An interesting read about Trump's foreign policy speech follows:
This Is the Donald Trump That Could Win 40 States
April 28, 2016
http://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/this-is-the-donald-trump-that-could-win-40-states
I doubt he will win 40 states, but the article had interesting tidbits about the ambassador and that think tank. Also, Lindsey Graham shows his true colors.
Although, what, 12-18% or more of the American people thought 9/11 was an inside job? Trump's voter ratings are about comparable to that.
It's not. And no one is saying it is.
Reality always wins, and that is why the Krapitalists are losing control of more and more people. I wonder what strat they will try next. Conspiring men.
Alright then, if you so clearly know what he means, please enlighten us.
It's losing the battle when it comes to you.
And I'm fascinated by the fact you so zealously defend Trump's fear mongering, and mercilessly rip everyone apart for it.
"You say 'learn from history,' but that does not mean 'learn the same bull***** the people in history learned alongside phrenology and alchemy.'" - The Blinking Spirit
That's the hook of the con. Then he pulls on the line by telling you he's the only man who can protect you and punish your oppressors. He proposes solutions for the problems he has invented or exaggerated. Never mind the solutions are short-sighted and self-destructive -- they're dramatic and they sound like they'll hurt the bad guys, which is exciting. All you have to do is give him supreme executive power. And that ask ought to be where his true intentions become blindingly obvious to everyone, just as the con ought to become obvious when the con man asks you for your bank account information. But somehow, for the people who have swallowed the hook, he actually looks like a benevolent savior.
(Look at your own "artistic analysis" of "Radioactive". It is perhaps more revealing than you intended. It's all there: starry-eyed hero worship for Trump, humiliation of good Americans, violent vengeance against foreigners. Hell, you even throw a bit of the old Trumpian sexism into the mix with the women lifting up Trump for "manly war".)
Now, tell me where Trump's opponents on this thread are doing any of this. We're not telling racist lies, we're not asking for you to give us the keys to the kingdom, and we certainly don't have a Messiah figure. All we're saying is that Trump is a terrible presidential candidate.
We still haven't gotten a straight answer about whether you bothered to read the research on immigrant crime. Glass house, don't throw stones.
candidus inperti; si nil, his utere mecum.
And in this case the "valid article" just so happens to be the one you think supports Trump's narrative of Mexican rapists, right? What makes that article not propaganda?
Prove it.
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4-28-16
The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency in 2015 decided not to deport but release 19,723 criminal illegal immigrants, including 208 convicted of murder, over 900 convicted of sex crimes and 12,307 of drunk driving, according to new government numbers.
Overall, those released into virtually every state and territory of America had a total of 64,197 convictions among them, for an average of 3.25 convictions each, according to an analysis by the Center for Immigration Studies. ICE also said that the group were convicted of 8,234 violent crimes.
Meanwhile, ICE said that it has also slashed the number of criminals arrested in local communities, according to the Center's Director of Policy Studies, Jessica M. Vaughan. "In 2015, ICE made 119,772 arrests, or just half the number of arrests made in 2013, 232,287," she said in her analysis that also included a map of the releases.
The reason: Under President Obama's immigration policy changes, many criminal immigrants are being ignored even though local police and sheriff have urged ICE to take control of criminals in their jails and deport them.
She said that the slash of arrests is why the number of releases by ICE is down. In 2014, 30,000 criminal illegals were released.
ICE for the first time explained why the illegals were released, with more than half ordered free by courts and in over 2,100 cases because their home countries didn't want them back.
"When ICE releases criminal aliens instead of deporting them, the chances are high that the aliens will re-offend. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, approximately 71 percent of violent offenders, 77 percent of drug offenders, and 82 percent of property offenders will be arrested for a new crime within five years of release from jail or prison. Drunk drivers are especially prone to offend repeatedly. According to an FBI statistic cited by Mothers Against Drunk Driving, the average drunk driver has driven drunk 80 times before ever being arrested."
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ice-releases-19723-criminal-illegals-208-convicted-of-murder-900-of-sex-crimes/article/2589785
Supporters of the matrix want everyone to stick their heads in the sand. I want people to choose to leave the cave (Plato), and finally see the world.
Shout-out to Drudge Report, as it saved me lots o' time just now. Behold and lo:
http://thehill.com/policy/transportation/277881-tsa-whistleblowers-say-low-morale-poor-leadership-are-threatening
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/01/magazine/president-obama-weighs-his-economic-legacy.html?_r=0
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/04/simply-worst-obama-first-president-ever-not-see-single-year-3-gdp/
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-28/u-s-economy-grew-in-first-quarter-at-slowest-pace-in-two-years
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/homeownership-rate-falls-to-third-lowest-on-record-2016-04-28
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/28/icahn-we-no-longer-have-a-position-in-apple.html
As I said, reality always wins. Krapitalists know how to get filthy rich, but they do NOT know how to improve/strengthen America.
I was as surprised as anyone to realize that Trump actually has the best chance at leading this country back from the brink. No guarantee of course. Donpool!
2) No matter how rude you and others are to my person, reality will always win. Whether you embrace the truth or not, truth will prevail. Always has, always will.
3) I am NOT afraid of hearing the truth, from you or anyone else. It can be disturbing and difficult to adapt to truth, but I do NOT find improvement scary. How do I "mercilessly rip everyone apart" when I discuss Trump? Are you alleging that I am mean and nasty to "every" other poster in these forums? Are you alleging that I am mean and nasty to "every" other human on the planet? How have I ripped you apart on this topic? Or did you actually mean that I disagree forcefully and consistently with "everyone" that worships big government? I do disagree with anyone that votes for neverending big government. And I do consider Boehner and McConnell and Reid and Pelosi as enemies of liberty. Just my opinion. And don't worry, as I 100% oppose the theocratic and dictatorial ways in which many "leaders" around the world force their citizens to comply. Even if they came after big government voters, I would oppose them. Forcing other competent adults to "be good" is a path/philosophy that always leads to misery and suffering. I disagree with the new religion called big gvt, but I do NOT want to behave like GW Bush or Obama or Stalin or Mao or Castro or Chavez or HRC. Savvy?
For someone claiming to want people to see the real world, you sure are getting a lot of your ideas from fictional stories.
Apparently, but you should at least have taken the time to read these articles.
Nothing to do with anything we're talking about.
Actually defends Obama's legacy, while commenting extensively on the fact that so many Americans believe falsehoods about the economy: "the deficit has in fact declined (by roughly three-quarters) since [Obama] took office, and polls do show that a large majority of Americans believe the opposite."
The numbers are correct, which is to say that they indicate the United States GDP growth rate is positive, and that when Trump said it was negative, he was not telling the truth. Furthermore, the assertion that "The rate of real economic growth is the single greatest determinate of both America’s strength as a nation and the well-being of the American people" is not correct: in fact developing countries almost always have higher growth rates than developed ones, since they're, y'know, developing. Is America weaker and worse off than Bangledesh? Because Bangledesh's GDP growth rate is about 6%. So even if Trump had used the accurate figure, he was using a statistic that is easily misleading to those who don't understand it.
Again, this article still says the economy grew. Trump said it didn't. Trump was lying.
Again, nothing to do with what we're talking about.
Again, nothing to do with what we're talking about.
And I have listed many ways in which Trump's statements contradicted reality, and you have not defended a single one of them.
Another question you've been asked before and haven't yet given a straight answer to: How on god's green earth is Trump not a "krapitalist"?
candidus inperti; si nil, his utere mecum.
We have shown several times that Trump's proposed strategies will harm America more than help it. Not the mention that it would be practically impossible for him to execute them. No way in hell he's going to get congressional approval to build a giant wall in the desert. Working directly against the system does not improve it. Trying to tear down the system to try to build a new one hurts everyone who lives under it, whether they support it or not. That includes you.
I've tried to be reasonable with you. Each time anyone makes a decent point against your argument, you change the subject.
Case in point. I could have sworn we were talking about fear mongering...
"You say 'learn from history,' but that does not mean 'learn the same bull***** the people in history learned alongside phrenology and alchemy.'" - The Blinking Spirit
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