Rep. Akin is the Republican candidate for Senate in Missouri against Senator Claire McCaskill.
So the real question is; who is providing this level of misinformation in the interest of ending abortion?
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I'm sort of tired of this abortion debate that lasts multiple decades, and eats the hell out of legislature time. We've limited abortion about as far as it can go, the rest is going to be changing social morays and economics. Women kill babies because of economic conditions and psycho-social value for need. For poor women this means that they place a higher value on family and children as a need for connection and identity, and keep their first pregnancy. Where as those in college and/or rich typically kill their first children and then proceed to have 2.0 kids. The demographics, though, have fallen to below replacement in the US as a part of economics, which ironically helped to drop the divorce rate for a while but has increased the abortion rate.
Frankly, I think contraceptives and speeding up education are the answer. In part speeding up the path from dependent to independent for children by stop lengthening the amount of education such as the rise of post-doctorates after someone gets a doctorate before entering their first "real position" is ludicrous whilst making become a medical doctor, in one instance, for the most successful of students stupidly difficult because of the artificially limited number of slots. So we create a "hyper elite children" whose lives are planned out since they're a zygote... yet still "fail" without truly failing.
It's just a really weird society, and overall I've grown really tired of the problems and a lack of focus on parenting and life transition stages for the youth in a "good enough" way as not to screw people up or over.
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We're not talking about infanticide or killing children here.
Whether or not rape victims are less likely to conceive is completely irrelevant to the issue of abortion, in my opinion. I'm not even sure why it is brought up.
We're not talking about infanticide or killing children here.
Whether or not rape victims are less likely to conceive is completely irrelevant to the issue of abortion, in my opinion. I'm not even sure why it is brought up.
It's likely an attempt to get rid of the claim that abortion needs to be legal to deal with pregnancy from rape. This is a big issue that the Conservatives could never really hand-wave away without looking like insensitive bastards.
Though I never thought they'd actually go with this route.
I wonder how many people actually believe in this.
The national rape-related pregnancy rate is 5.0% per rape among victims of reproductive age (aged 12 to 45); among adult women an estimated 32,101 pregnancies result from rape each year. Among 34 cases of rape-related pregnancy, the majority occurred among adolescents and resulted from assault by a known, often related perpetrator. Only 11.7% of these victims received immediate medical attention after the assault, and 47.1% received no medical attention related to the rape. A total 32.4% of these victims did not discover they were pregnant until they had already entered the second trimester; 32.2% opted to keep the infant whereas 50% underwent abortion and 5.9% placed the infant for adoption; an additional 11.8% had spontaneous abortion
This is FAR more insidious than misinformation as a means to undermine the legal and moral grounds for abortion.
If he believes what he says, what you have just proven to him is not that lots of rapes result in pregnancy but that lots of men are being wrongfully convicted of rape when the woman was, in fact, willing.
This is probably just a case of a politician who knows nothing and misunderstood something an aide said once, not a conspiracy against rape victims, but it's a piece of misinformation with the potential to do incredible damage.
Ya, the guy just back-tracked after talking a lot of flak.
Huzzah. This is not a Republican tactic after all.
More accurately: Huzzah! The Republican base backlashed at him saying this stupid ****. Good for them!
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This is FAR more insidious than misinformation as a means to undermine the legal and moral grounds for abortion.
If he believes what he says, what you have just proven to him is not that lots of rapes result in pregnancy but that lots of men are being wrongfully convicted of rape when the woman was, in fact, willing.
This.
Thus his "legitimate" wording. His line of thinking is "if you were really raped, then you wouldn't get pregnant."
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35% decided to keep, 50% decided to abort, 5% decided to give it up. It seems that the new crusade should be to expand the 5% and eat away at the 50%. In a way I preferred the "Ron Paul solution" to the problem; give them a shot, you don't know either way and it becomes a spontaneous abortion. Kills the problem, but goes back to the other statistic that women didn't know until the second trimester and such and having frank discussions with women about the totality of rape.
The left doesn't do much better either with the arguments about a "culture of rape" and other ridiculous concepts that bifurcate the problem. As such, there's pedophiles and adult rapists who do prey on men. Granted the incidence rate is rarer than a virgin on prom night, but still it needs to be tabulated into how we treat rape too much as a "woman thing."
The social conservatives bandwagoned onto the fiscal conservatives with the Tea Party, and tried to "turn back the clock" a bit too far. Children should have rights, but the mother also needs to be balanced in the equation.
I mean for Christians do they ever really run commercials and other such things talking about women who have kept their children after rape or talked to adult children of raped women to say "I'm glad I wasn't aborted, I'm a successful X today with a loving family of my own." It seems like religion has forgotten what "spreading the good news" is about as they were one of the first true business professions.
Overall, in a way it's the cow bird dilemma on the biological end, upon which some women may see it as such and eliminate the child. Which is respectable, especially for women whose health or economics do not allow them ample time to deal with pregnancy. A young teen whose raped doesn't have the luxury of to say without broadcasting to the world she was raped so as not to be treated as a whore. Which springs back onto the people who try to socially control people through forms of bullying. It actually backfires, big time. Rather than being seen as "taking responsibility" and a form of redemptive honor, people are universally labeled as ****s and ect. by gossip mongers.
So overall, social conservatives needs to look at themselves in the mirror and understand where punishment ends and redemption begins and stop mixing victims into that cocktail.
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I mean for Christians do they ever really run commercials and other such things talking about women who have kept their children after rape or talked to adult children of raped women to say "I'm glad I wasn't aborted, I'm a successful X today with a loving family of my own." It seems like religion has forgotten what "spreading the good news" is about as they were one of the first true business professions.
So overall, social conservatives needs to look at themselves in the mirror and understand where punishment ends and redemption begins and stop mixing victims into that cocktail.
I've seen some, and actually met one of these ladies. They are more common on youtube and at rallies than mainstream TV. The now adult child and her mom are both thankful. Political Religion is a dangerous thing to true believers because it is too easy to turn into tyranny that you can't stop. Before long that tyranny turns on you.
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The social conservatives bandwagoned onto the fiscal conservatives with the Tea Party, and tried to "turn back the clock" a bit too far. Children should have rights, but the mother also needs to be balanced in the equation.
But you see, from my perspective, and people of like mind with me, the woman is the entire equation. Forcing a woman to undergo an unwanted pregnancy for any reason I find unconscionable. I simply don't see a collection of cells without a nervous system as a person.
The truly outraging part of this fiasco is the attempted rebranding of rape. The attempt to suggest that rape in any form will not produce a pregnancy unless the victim in some way is a willing participant. It disgusts me to a point beyond description.
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Political Religion is a dangerous thing to true believers because it is too easy to turn into tyranny that you can't stop. Before long that tyranny turns on you.
Well said. I would add its not just dangerous to true believers, but to everyone. What if a religious sect you don't endorse ends up in power?
Nothing good can come from it. That's what the founders of this country understood and is why this a nation built on secular ideals.
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― Christopher Hitchens, God Is Not Great
I mean for Christians do they ever really run commercials and other such things talking about women who have kept their children after rape or talked to adult children of raped women to say "I'm glad I wasn't aborted, I'm a successful X today with a loving family of my own." It seems like religion has forgotten what "spreading the good news" is about as they were one of the first true business professions.
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The biggest problem I see right now is that Christians and many other religious groups are still trying to fight to have abortion made illegal when they really need to drop that as a lost cause. It is hurting them more than helping them trying to force their ideals on everyone else, in addition to proving to the general population that they have not changed with the times in the last 100 years.
I feel that they would have a much better success rate if they changed the bulk of their commercials and advertisements on the matter from trying to stomp out abortion to trying to educate people on the decision that they are making, giving them information they may or may not have on alternatives and various other things. This would get them a lot further with most youths as well since instead of saying "don't have an abortion because abortions are bad and it kills people" they could come from a different direction with "There are other options that you have than just getting rid of it, here is some help in making the tough decision you are trying to make".
Before anyone calls me a pro anything, i personally hate the idea of abortion but feel that it is a private/personal decision that needs to be made by a couple, not by a nation.
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A Republican is facing pressure to quit a Senate race over his remarks that women's bodies could prevent pregnancy in cases of "legitimate rape".
Leading condemnation of Representative Todd Akin, President Barack Obama said "rape is rape".
Fellow Republicans have called on Mr Akin to withdraw his candidacy for Missouri's Senate seat.
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney swiftly distanced himself from Mr Akin's comments.
The Missouri congressman has since apologised, saying in a TV ad published by Politico that he had used the "wrong words the wrong way".
Missouri Senate candidate Todd Akin has recorded a television ad asking for "forgiveness" from the voters of his state and acknowledging that he used "the wrong words in the wrong way" when he suggested last weekend that rape rarely leads to pregnancy.
When he cancelled a scheduled interview with CNN's Piers Morgan on Monday, the talk show host mocked him by speaking to an empty chair and accusing him of cowardice.
What do you recon will he go or will he try and stagger on to the November election?
Speaking from a UK perspective I would not be surprised if he attempted to stagger on for awhile as that appears to be par for the course on this side of the pond.
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Its actually staggering what this backwards piece of crap really believes, based on what he clearly said, and intended to say. Where he got this idea is utterly beyond me:
"If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.... But let's assume that maybe that didn't work or something. You know I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child."
Its really just an even STUPIDER version of the "if she really didn't want to be raped, she would have fought harder" attitude. Blame the victim. Yeah, she's crying in a corner, but if she didn't want it, she would have stopped me.
He's basically saying to women that got pregnant through rape: Clearly if you had actually hated the rape 100%, you would have used your female mechanisms to 'shut the whole thing down'. The fact that you're pregnant proves you enjoyed it, at least a little bit.
NON-"legitimate rape" is just code for "she enjoyed it".
This loathsome POS is too stupid and ignorant to stay a Senator. HE NEEDS TO GO AWAY. I would not be shocked if this scumbag has date-raped women before in college when he was younger and left some woman crying and upset, and this is his cognitive construction that rationalizes that his actions were consensual.
The whole mindset STINKS of rationalization for personal loathsome behaviors.
NON-"legitimate rape" is just code for "she enjoyed it".
Even more outraging is that this is NOT an uncommon belief among extreme abortion opponents. I know MSNBC is heavily slanted to the left, but last night Meadows was showing example after example of this ideology having proliferated though a non-insignificant portion of the extreme right, in print.
What's really going to hurt Romney in this election is Paul Ryan having co-drafted rape re-branding legislation using terms like "forcible rape". WTF?!? FORCED rape? One might think by that wording that...they think there is unforced rape?!? Quotation time for Timmy:
Under H.R. 3, only victims of “forcible rape” would qualify for federally funded abortions. Victims of statutory rape—say, a 13-year-old girl impregnated by a 30-year-old man—would be on their own. So would victims of incest if they’re over 18. And while “forcible rape” isn’t defined in the criminal code, the addition of the adjective seems certain to exclude acts of rape that don’t involve overt violence—say, cases where a woman is drugged or has a limited mental capacity. “It’s basically putting more restrictions on what was defined historically as rape,” says Keenan.
And Ryan's views on this legislative piece of ****:
Although a version of this bill passed the GOP-controlled House, the “forcible rape” language was eventually removed due to widespread public outcry. Paul Ryan, however, believes that the “forcible rape” language does not actually go far enough to force women to carry their rapist’s baby.
How do these idiots get in office? Oh yeah... because uneducated <redacted> believe anything they are told so long as it doesn't come from doctors or science. It makes sense because doctors are just out to make a buck and scientists are evil atheists right?
FYI, Akin is still leading Sen. Claire McCaskill (D) by one point, 44% to 43%. How...it's so...I can't even comprehend this stupidity.
Our belief is not a belief. Our principles are not a faith. We do not rely solely upon science and reason, because these are necessary rather than sufficient factors, but we distrust anything that contradicts science or outrages reason. We may differ on many things, but what we respect is free inquiry, openmindedness, and the pursuit of ideas for their own sake.
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It's issues like this that set apart the Republican party as completely crazy. So that even if you are fiscally conservative, they are so wacko on some issues that it is impossible to vote for them.
It's issues like this that set apart the Republican party as completely crazy. So that even if you are fiscally conservative, they are so wacko on some issues that it is impossible to vote for them.
This.
I don't agree with a lot of republican ideas in general, but even if I did I could never vote for them given the current climate. When they get back to dealing with real issues and stop this craziness I'll re-evaluate.
The truly scary reality is that a lot of people seem to agree with them.
Our belief is not a belief. Our principles are not a faith. We do not rely solely upon science and reason, because these are necessary rather than sufficient factors, but we distrust anything that contradicts science or outrages reason. We may differ on many things, but what we respect is free inquiry, openmindedness, and the pursuit of ideas for their own sake.
― Christopher Hitchens, God Is Not Great
Why is abortion becoming a pillar of the republican party? I just don't understand why they think this is a winning issue, now of all times. And why are they going after it by trying to diminish the victims of rape?
They have a deep seated and pathological need to be stuck in the political wilderness for a while???
Take a look at what happened over here in the UK after the 1997 General Election. After they lost the Conservative party pretty much did the same thing leave the political center ground and camp out firmly in what to the UK is the Right wing so much that no matter how badly the Labour party were running the country only the rabid die hard conservative could vote for them.
Whilst the issues may be different the republican party appears to be doing the same thing appealing to their fundamental base at the expense of the moderate Republican. It didn't work for the Conservatives over here and I would be very surprised if it works in November for the republicans.
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I Became insane with long Intervals of horrible Sanity
All Religion, my friend is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination and poetry.
- Edgar Allan Poe
It's issues like this that set apart the Republican party as completely crazy. So that even if you are fiscally conservative, they are so wacko on some issues that it is impossible to vote for them.
I agree with this wholeheartedly. When I turned 18, I registered Republican, because both of my parents were, but this was more than 20 years ago when they (the party, not my parents) hadn't gone completely around the bend.
About 6 years ago, I dropped my party affiliation and went Independent, primarily because I couldn't stand being identified with the Republicans on social issues, even though I am a staunch fiscal conservative.
As a Christian, I believe that abortion is a reprehensible practice and would hope that if one of my daughters ever got pregnant, she would choose to keep the child, but I strongly believe that every woman should have the right to make the choice that is best for her life. My wish is that as a society we can reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies so that we can reduce the number of abortions, but it must be kept legal, as SolaranX posted previously, in order to ensure that if it is going to be done, it is done in the safest manner possible.
Well that just shows a boatload of ignorance from a lot of people in this thread. The Republican party en masse tore into Akin after his statement, and what does Logic claim? Oh...all Republicans are like that. And people just right on the bandwagon agreeing with his ignorant comment.
People need to stop trying to paint an entire party over one idiot's comments. Saying the entire Republican party subscribes to that belief because one nutcase said it is no different than me calling every single Democrat a hardline socialist because of one or two elected Democrats being hardline socialists.
Like what you're doing in your sig, you mean?
And why do these people keep getting voted into office? I mean, they're so far beyond incompetence that all they actually do is make other politicians look better.
What a second, I might be on to something there...
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Solaran, I wouldnt let it get to you, most of the threads in this forum are not debate but more of leftist cheerleading each other.
I miss the days of InfamousPanda....
On topic, again a lone comment by the right is no more indicitive of the right then when a leftist said Mao Zedong was one of her inspirations.
Also, slightly less on topic, I really hope all the people defending a womens privacy overriding the rights of what the current science says is less then a human, think hard about it the next time they compare gay marriage to Jim Crow.
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Solaran and burning paladin look up the new anti-abortion plank of the gop. It wants to ban all abortions with no exceptions. You will also find that Paul Ryan put forth the concept that only forcible rape can be used as a justification of abortion.
This is not one man this is the religious right.
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Rep. Akin is the Republican candidate for Senate in Missouri against Senator Claire McCaskill.
So the real question is; who is providing this level of misinformation in the interest of ending abortion?
Be aware of singing as if you were half dead,
or half asleep:
but lift your voice with strength.
Be no more afraid of your voice now,
nor more ashamed of its being heard,
than when you sang the songs of Satan.
Frankly, I think contraceptives and speeding up education are the answer. In part speeding up the path from dependent to independent for children by stop lengthening the amount of education such as the rise of post-doctorates after someone gets a doctorate before entering their first "real position" is ludicrous whilst making become a medical doctor, in one instance, for the most successful of students stupidly difficult because of the artificially limited number of slots. So we create a "hyper elite children" whose lives are planned out since they're a zygote... yet still "fail" without truly failing.
It's just a really weird society, and overall I've grown really tired of the problems and a lack of focus on parenting and life transition stages for the youth in a "good enough" way as not to screw people up or over.
Ambition must be made to counteract ambition.
Individualities may form communities, but it is institutions alone that can create a nation.
Nothing succeeds like the appearance of success.
Here is my principle: Taxes shall be levied according to ability to pay. That is the only American principle.
Whether or not rape victims are less likely to conceive is completely irrelevant to the issue of abortion, in my opinion. I'm not even sure why it is brought up.
It's likely an attempt to get rid of the claim that abortion needs to be legal to deal with pregnancy from rape. This is a big issue that the Conservatives could never really hand-wave away without looking like insensitive bastards.
Though I never thought they'd actually go with this route.
I wonder how many people actually believe in this.
No one who values facts and evidence over belief.
Rape related pregnancy is not insignificant.
This is FAR more insidious than misinformation as a means to undermine the legal and moral grounds for abortion.
If he believes what he says, what you have just proven to him is not that lots of rapes result in pregnancy but that lots of men are being wrongfully convicted of rape when the woman was, in fact, willing.
This is probably just a case of a politician who knows nothing and misunderstood something an aide said once, not a conspiracy against rape victims, but it's a piece of misinformation with the potential to do incredible damage.
Huzzah. This is not a Republican tactic after all.
More accurately: Huzzah! The Republican base backlashed at him saying this stupid ****. Good for them!
This.
Thus his "legitimate" wording. His line of thinking is "if you were really raped, then you wouldn't get pregnant."
"Sometimes, the situation is outracing a threat, sometimes it's ignoring it, and sometimes it involves sideboarding in 4x Hope//Pray." --Doug Linn
35% decided to keep, 50% decided to abort, 5% decided to give it up. It seems that the new crusade should be to expand the 5% and eat away at the 50%. In a way I preferred the "Ron Paul solution" to the problem; give them a shot, you don't know either way and it becomes a spontaneous abortion. Kills the problem, but goes back to the other statistic that women didn't know until the second trimester and such and having frank discussions with women about the totality of rape.
The left doesn't do much better either with the arguments about a "culture of rape" and other ridiculous concepts that bifurcate the problem. As such, there's pedophiles and adult rapists who do prey on men. Granted the incidence rate is rarer than a virgin on prom night, but still it needs to be tabulated into how we treat rape too much as a "woman thing."
The social conservatives bandwagoned onto the fiscal conservatives with the Tea Party, and tried to "turn back the clock" a bit too far. Children should have rights, but the mother also needs to be balanced in the equation.
I mean for Christians do they ever really run commercials and other such things talking about women who have kept their children after rape or talked to adult children of raped women to say "I'm glad I wasn't aborted, I'm a successful X today with a loving family of my own." It seems like religion has forgotten what "spreading the good news" is about as they were one of the first true business professions.
Overall, in a way it's the cow bird dilemma on the biological end, upon which some women may see it as such and eliminate the child. Which is respectable, especially for women whose health or economics do not allow them ample time to deal with pregnancy. A young teen whose raped doesn't have the luxury of to say without broadcasting to the world she was raped so as not to be treated as a whore. Which springs back onto the people who try to socially control people through forms of bullying. It actually backfires, big time. Rather than being seen as "taking responsibility" and a form of redemptive honor, people are universally labeled as ****s and ect. by gossip mongers.
So overall, social conservatives needs to look at themselves in the mirror and understand where punishment ends and redemption begins and stop mixing victims into that cocktail.
Ambition must be made to counteract ambition.
Individualities may form communities, but it is institutions alone that can create a nation.
Nothing succeeds like the appearance of success.
Here is my principle: Taxes shall be levied according to ability to pay. That is the only American principle.
I've seen some, and actually met one of these ladies. They are more common on youtube and at rallies than mainstream TV. The now adult child and her mom are both thankful. Political Religion is a dangerous thing to true believers because it is too easy to turn into tyranny that you can't stop. Before long that tyranny turns on you.
But you see, from my perspective, and people of like mind with me, the woman is the entire equation. Forcing a woman to undergo an unwanted pregnancy for any reason I find unconscionable. I simply don't see a collection of cells without a nervous system as a person.
The truly outraging part of this fiasco is the attempted rebranding of rape. The attempt to suggest that rape in any form will not produce a pregnancy unless the victim in some way is a willing participant. It disgusts me to a point beyond description.
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― Christopher Hitchens, God Is Not Great
Well said. I would add its not just dangerous to true believers, but to everyone. What if a religious sect you don't endorse ends up in power?
Nothing good can come from it. That's what the founders of this country understood and is why this a nation built on secular ideals.
― Christopher Hitchens, God Is Not Great
This
The biggest problem I see right now is that Christians and many other religious groups are still trying to fight to have abortion made illegal when they really need to drop that as a lost cause. It is hurting them more than helping them trying to force their ideals on everyone else, in addition to proving to the general population that they have not changed with the times in the last 100 years.
I feel that they would have a much better success rate if they changed the bulk of their commercials and advertisements on the matter from trying to stomp out abortion to trying to educate people on the decision that they are making, giving them information they may or may not have on alternatives and various other things. This would get them a lot further with most youths as well since instead of saying "don't have an abortion because abortions are bad and it kills people" they could come from a different direction with "There are other options that you have than just getting rid of it, here is some help in making the tough decision you are trying to make".
Before anyone calls me a pro anything, i personally hate the idea of abortion but feel that it is a private/personal decision that needs to be made by a couple, not by a nation.
One day I will go infinate on a token combo then drop Scramble verse and watch as the trolling begins. That day will be a good day.
What do you recon will he go or will he try and stagger on to the November election?
Speaking from a UK perspective I would not be surprised if he attempted to stagger on for awhile as that appears to be par for the course on this side of the pond.
- H.L Mencken
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All Religion, my friend is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination and poetry.
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Its really just an even STUPIDER version of the "if she really didn't want to be raped, she would have fought harder" attitude. Blame the victim. Yeah, she's crying in a corner, but if she didn't want it, she would have stopped me.
He's basically saying to women that got pregnant through rape: Clearly if you had actually hated the rape 100%, you would have used your female mechanisms to 'shut the whole thing down'. The fact that you're pregnant proves you enjoyed it, at least a little bit.
NON-"legitimate rape" is just code for "she enjoyed it".
This loathsome POS is too stupid and ignorant to stay a Senator. HE NEEDS TO GO AWAY. I would not be shocked if this scumbag has date-raped women before in college when he was younger and left some woman crying and upset, and this is his cognitive construction that rationalizes that his actions were consensual.
The whole mindset STINKS of rationalization for personal loathsome behaviors.
Even more outraging is that this is NOT an uncommon belief among extreme abortion opponents. I know MSNBC is heavily slanted to the left, but last night Meadows was showing example after example of this ideology having proliferated though a non-insignificant portion of the extreme right, in print.
What's really going to hurt Romney in this election is Paul Ryan having co-drafted rape re-branding legislation using terms like "forcible rape". WTF?!? FORCED rape? One might think by that wording that...they think there is unforced rape?!? Quotation time for Timmy:
And Ryan's views on this legislative piece of ****:
How do these idiots get in office? Oh yeah... because uneducated <redacted> believe anything they are told so long as it doesn't come from doctors or science. It makes sense because doctors are just out to make a buck and scientists are evil atheists right?
FYI, Akin is still leading Sen. Claire McCaskill (D) by one point, 44% to 43%. How...it's so...I can't even comprehend this stupidity.
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― Christopher Hitchens, God Is Not Great
This.
I don't agree with a lot of republican ideas in general, but even if I did I could never vote for them given the current climate. When they get back to dealing with real issues and stop this craziness I'll re-evaluate.
The truly scary reality is that a lot of people seem to agree with them.
― Christopher Hitchens, God Is Not Great
They have a deep seated and pathological need to be stuck in the political wilderness for a while???
Take a look at what happened over here in the UK after the 1997 General Election. After they lost the Conservative party pretty much did the same thing leave the political center ground and camp out firmly in what to the UK is the Right wing so much that no matter how badly the Labour party were running the country only the rabid die hard conservative could vote for them.
Whilst the issues may be different the republican party appears to be doing the same thing appealing to their fundamental base at the expense of the moderate Republican. It didn't work for the Conservatives over here and I would be very surprised if it works in November for the republicans.
- H.L Mencken
I Became insane with long Intervals of horrible Sanity
All Religion, my friend is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination and poetry.
- Edgar Allan Poe
The Crafters' Rules Guru
I agree with this wholeheartedly. When I turned 18, I registered Republican, because both of my parents were, but this was more than 20 years ago when they (the party, not my parents) hadn't gone completely around the bend.
About 6 years ago, I dropped my party affiliation and went Independent, primarily because I couldn't stand being identified with the Republicans on social issues, even though I am a staunch fiscal conservative.
As a Christian, I believe that abortion is a reprehensible practice and would hope that if one of my daughters ever got pregnant, she would choose to keep the child, but I strongly believe that every woman should have the right to make the choice that is best for her life. My wish is that as a society we can reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies so that we can reduce the number of abortions, but it must be kept legal, as SolaranX posted previously, in order to ensure that if it is going to be done, it is done in the safest manner possible.
Like what you're doing in your sig, you mean?
And why do these people keep getting voted into office? I mean, they're so far beyond incompetence that all they actually do is make other politicians look better.
What a second, I might be on to something there...
I miss the days of InfamousPanda....
On topic, again a lone comment by the right is no more indicitive of the right then when a leftist said Mao Zedong was one of her inspirations.
Also, slightly less on topic, I really hope all the people defending a womens privacy overriding the rights of what the current science says is less then a human, think hard about it the next time they compare gay marriage to Jim Crow.
This is not one man this is the religious right.