First off, six percent is not a large percentage. Discussing the sheer numbers is merely moving the goal posts. Second, people in rural areas may have a high incidence of hunting, but most people don't live in rural areas. Third, Wikipedia is a fine source of info.
- the sports gun can be stored whereever you do your shooting (thats why i always refer to the personal gun stored at home which you dont)
Why would you leave your personal property someplace that isn't under your control? Especially property that is serialized, registered to you, and if used in a crime can be traced back to you by ballistics?
- hunting rifles arent the problem since most shootings are done with assault rifles, pistols or semi-automatic weapons...for hunting you use bolt-action rifles (think that is the word, where you have to pull a trigger after each shot)...those are just unsuited for public shootings....an you just dont hunt that dear with your AK-47...
Assault rifles are rarely used in shootings because they are extremely rare outside of military or police hands. An AR-15 or an SKS are not assault rifles. Pistols are used for types of hunting and almost all personal defense. And semi-automatic weapons are the most popular sport shooting weapons.
As for the AR-15, it is the most popular small game rifle in the United States.
- still dont buy the protection thing as it works without guns in other countries too
And it works with guns in other countries as well. As was referenced earlier, look at Switzerland. They have a higher rate of gun ownership than the US, and less crime.
Guns are not the problem. The problem is cultural. Taking action against guns will not address or solve the underlying problem.
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First off, six percent is not a large percentage. Discussing the sheer numbers is merely moving the goal posts.
I don't recall you complaining when the left wing does exactly this. And it does this frequently - an excellent example would be the running body count the media kept of the Iraq War while Bush was President (and suddenly stopped doing when Obama became President). They used the actual number instead of a percentage, because saying "X,XXX soldiers" sounds much larger than saying "0.X% of deployed soldiers."
Can't have it both ways Timmy. Either you condemn everyone who does this, including lefties, or you condone the use of this tactic by everyone, including righties.
Second, people in rural areas may have a high incidence of hunting, but most people don't live in rural areas.
Most people may not live in rural areas, but a lot still do. Enough to wage an effective guerrilla campaign against an invader or oppressive government.
When it supports your position, apparently. But when I cite Wikipedia or another source, you read me the riot act about using Wikipedia and how Wikipedia is not a legit source.
Make up your mind.
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- hunting rifles arent the problem since most shootings are done with assault rifles, pistols or semi-automatic weapons...for hunting you use bolt-action rifles (think that is the word, where you have to pull a trigger after each shot)...those are just unsuited for public shootings....an you just dont hunt that dear with your AK-47...
Just as reference material:
Homicides by Weapon Used, 2000-2008
Totals, 2000-2008 % of total
Handguns 65,581 51%
Rifles 3,791 3%
Shotguns 4,356 3%
Other firearm not specified or type unknown 820 1%
Firearms, type not stated 11,564 9%
Firearm subtotals 86,112 66%
Knives or cutting instruments 16,547 13%
Blunt Objects 5,782 4%
Personal Weapons 8,220 6%
Poison 106 0%
Explosives 43 0%
Fire 1,093 1%
Narcotics 408 0%
Drowning 150 0%
Strangulation 1,281 1%
Asphyxiation 948 1%
All other 9,051 7%
All other weapons subtotals 43,629 34%
Total, all types: 129,741 100%
Source, U.S. Census 2011 – Murder Victims–Circumstances and Weapons Used or Cause of Death
At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. So say all handguns suddenly dissappeared. If an individual wants to murder another, the other statistics will simply grow in numbers.
Hell, the muder that occured here ealier in the year, at a local restaurant was a shotgun.
the AR-15 is an assautlrifle in the way i see them and talk about them
and again: sportshooting =/= hunting
Hes just getting really technical on you. Damn near everyone I know who owns an AR-15 refers to it as an assault rifle with the known understanding that its the civilian version. This apparently is one of his pet peeves.
Who said I had anything against sheer numbers? I have a problem with it when people are shown they are wrong and then they change it around to make it seem like they are right ie moving the goal posts.
Also good luck waging a war against the government from hicksvile, Mississippi.
Thirdly, I have never.criticized you for using Wikipedia thank you very much.
the AR-15 is an assautlrifle in the way i see them and talk about them
and again: sportshooting =/= hunting
Except the AR-15 does not meet the technical or legal requirements to be classified as an assault rifle. Continuing to claim that an AR-15 is an assault rifle after it has been proven that it is not is just pure ignorance and refusal to accept the truth because it erodes your position.
The AR-15 is not capable of selective mode firing. It is not an assault rifle, because one of the requirements of an assault rifle is that the rifle is capable of selective mode firing with at least one automatic setting (be it true automatic or burst fire).
And again, the AR-15 is the most popular small game hunting rifle in the United States. It has a history of being a hunting rifle, this is not a new development. It is also a very popular short shooting rifle. This, too, is not a new development.
Who said I had anything against sheer numbers? I have a problem with it when people are shown they are wrong and then they change it around to make it seem like they are right ie moving the goal posts.
Clearly, you have a problem with people using sheer numbers when it does not support your position.
Also good luck waging a war against the government from hicksvile, Mississippi.
Who said anything about Mississippi? There is a lot of covered terrain that at least 18,000,000 dedicated hunters (and who knows how many sport shooters) could use to conduct guerrilla warfare against an enemy.
Thirdly, I have never.criticized you for using Wikipedia thank you very much.
I'm pretty sure you have on several occasions. But whatever. Next time it happens, I'll have a quote from you saying Wikipedia is a fine source ready.
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First off, six percent is not a large percentage. Discussing the sheer numbers is merely moving the goal posts.
I never said there was a high percentage...I was agreeing with you that the percentage is low, but the overall numbers still represent the possibility of a large militia force.
So I just want to make sure, an AR-15 cannot be easily converted to a fully automatic rifle with modifications?
Also, I'm not trying to poo-poo on everyone's parade, I was just wondering if anyone had comments to my previous post.
@ US invasion
This doesn't happen. The United States itself won't be invaded, I'm sorry to say. I don't think that's a very realistic thing to happen, and as such, it shouldn't be an excuse to own assault weapons. If there was any sort of large troop movement heading towards US soil that was unaccounted for, you better believe it'd get taken out pretty quick.
@ Person who asked if assault weapons could be bought easily in the US:
Yes.
-Matt
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The term assault rifle is a translation of the German word Sturmgewehr (literally "storm rifle", as in "to storm a position"). The name was coined by Adolf Hitler[3] to describe the Maschinenpistole 43, subsequently renamed Sturmgewehr 44, the firearm generally considered the first assault rifle that served to popularise the concept and form the basis for today's modern assault rifles.
The translation assault rifle gradually became the common term for similar firearms sharing the same technical definition as the StG 44. In a strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:[4][5][6]
It must be an individual weapon with provision to fire from the shoulder (i.e. a buttstock);
It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle;
Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable magazine rather than a feed-belt.
And it should at least have a firing range of 300 meters (1000 feet)
Rifles that meet most of these criteria, but not all, are technically not assault rifles despite frequently being considered as such. For example, semi-automatic-only rifles like the AR-15 (which the M16 rifle is based on) that share designs with assault rifles are not assault rifles, as they are not capable of switching to automatic fire and thus are not selective fire capable. Belt-fed weapons or rifles with fixed magazines are likewise not assault rifles because they do not have detachable box magazines.
The term "assault rifle" is often more loosely used for commercial or political reasons to include other types of arms, particularly arms that fall under a strict definition of the battle rifle, or semi-automatic variant of military rifles such as AR-15s.
The US Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachinegun and rifle cartridges."[7]
A selective firefirearm has at least one semi–automaticand one automatic mode, which is activated by means of a selector which varies depending on the weapon's design. Some selective fire weapons utilize burst fire mechanisms to limit the maximum or total number of shots fired automatically in this mode. The most common limits are two or three rounds per pull of the trigger.
The AR-15 is not capable of an automatic mode of fire, and as such is not an assault rifle. Neither is the SKS. Or any rifle sold over-the-counter in this country.
can it shoot more then 1 bullet by pressing the trigger once?
yes? so its (for me) and assault rifle and not a hunting rifle
just cause you use a rocket launcher to hunt bears doesnt make it a hunting rifle
go technical on me all you want, i wont care as my point stands and you cant disproove it
Actually Vistella, it can't. The AR-15 is a semiautomatic rifle, meaning it can only fire one round each time you pull the trigger. Pull the trigger and immediately let it go, and the rifle fires one round. Pull the trigger and hold it down and move it around like you're Rambo, it still only fires one round and you look like an idiot.
The AR-15 is a lightweight, 5.56 mm, air-cooled, gas-operated, magazine-fed, semi-automatic rifle, with a rotating-lock bolt, actuated by direct impingement gas operation or long/short stroke piston operation. It is manufactured with the extensive use of aluminum alloys and synthetic materials.
The AR-15 was first built by ArmaLite as a selective fireassault rifle for the United States armed forces. Because of financial problems, ArmaLite sold the AR-15 design to Colt. The select-fire AR-15 entered the US military system as theM16 rifle. Colt then marketed the Colt AR-15 as a semi-automatic version of the M16 rifle for civilian sales in 1963.[8]The name "AR-15" is a Colt registered trademark, which refers only to the semi-automatic rifle.
The civilian available AR-15 is semiautomatic only and is not an assault rifle.
The military available M-16 and M-4 are selective fire capable and are assault rifles.
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Yes.
-Matt
If you are referring to weapons that meet the political definition of "assault weapon" (a term invented in 1994 to scare people), then yes - they can be easily bought in the US. If you are referring to true assault rifles, then no - they cannot be easily (or cheaply) in the US.
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This doesn't happen. The United States itself won't be invaded, I'm sorry to say. I don't think that's a very realistic thing to happen, and as such, it shouldn't be an excuse to own assault weapons. If there was any sort of large troop movement heading towards US soil that was unaccounted for, you better believe it'd get taken out pretty quick.
Unless the aggression was from within the US.
Although, I'm not discussing the likelihood of such an event, just defending the idea that should such an event occur, the US population is in a good position to resist, which is part of the point of the 2nd amendment.
As my new found status of being spokesman for the entirety of the left wing, I propose we make our catchphrase, "we do what's right since the right won't."
The AR-15 is a semiautomatic rifle, meaning it can only fire one round each time you pull the trigger. Pull the trigger and immediately let it go, and the rifle fires one round. Pull the trigger and hold it down and move it around like you're Rambo, it still only fires one round and you look like an idiot.
A gunsmith, with the right parts, can retro-fit a AR-15 to become an assault rifle again. However, you are correct that a legally bought AR-15 will not have the mechanism for automatic fire.
still, its not bolt-action...and thats what i was talking about earlier...you would know that if youve read my posts.
yes i know, in that regard my post with the question you answered was abit out of place, the overall point still stands though
No, you are claiming that an AR-15 fires multiple rounds per pull of the trigger. Multiple people have told you that you are wrong. And still you refuse to accept the fact that have been put in front of you.
I have read all of your posts in this thread. And you are very poorly informed about firearms, which is understandable because you are European and guns are very highly demonized in most European nations. We are trying to correct and enlighten you, and all you are doing is telling us we are wrong and you are right and we aren't understanding your position.
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scenario 1:
owning an AR-15 - legal
making it fullauto - illegal
scenario 2:
owning an AR-15 - illegal
making it fullauto - illegal
people are less likly to convert it in scenario 2 as covering the bases (which is owning it in the first place) is way harder to do then in scenario 1
So because AR-15s are legal and it is remotely possible to convert it to automatic, we should ban all AR-15s?
Well damn...since cars are legal and it is remotely possible to commit a crime with a car, clearly we need to ban all cars.
After all, it will save lives. People can just use a bus to get from point A to point B. Just like they can wait for the police to save their life when an armed person breaks into their house.
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I have read all of your posts in this thread. And you are very poorly informed about firearms, which is understandable because you are European and guns are very highly demonized in most European nations. We are trying to correct and enlighten you, and all you are doing is telling us we are wrong and you are right and we aren't understanding your position.
How many posts did it take you before saying that it fires one round per trigger pull? All of your posts leading up to that point are just bickering over loosely used terminology. Assault rifle vs machine gun vs semi automatic rifle has always been cloudy among conversation.
Being EU has nothing to do with it. Lay off. I said before, damn near everyone I know who owns an AR-15 calls it an assault rifle. Damn near everyone else refers to fully automatic weapons as machine guns. I live in America so obviously your nationality has little to do with it.
Your picking fly **** out of pepper, nothing more. We get it. Its not officially called an assault rifle. I'm still going to casually refer to it as such.
Back on topic about gun control please. FEW IN AMERICA are worried about fully automatic weapons in regards to GUN CONTROL. They are already controlled. Hes making the statement that most murders are not commited with hunting rifles. Nothing more.
while i might not be a weapon expert, my point still stands and you didnt disprove it yet
also i see no "we", i see only "you" going technical on me abotu what is an assault rifle and what isnt...and i told you i dont care about that technical stuff as i already explained what i am talking about...see the quote
First off, the bolded text in your own quote is what semi-automatic is. And secondly, your point does not still stand because it has been disproven on multiple posts in this thread, both before and after you made it.
for hunting you use bolt-action rifles (think that is the word, where you have to pull a trigger after each shot)
Any weapon that fires one round per pull of the trigger is a semiautomatic weapon. A bolt-action rifle is a rifle with a manually operated action that does not automatically eject the spent cartridge and load a fresh one.
Semiautomatic: You pull the trigger. The chambered round fires, is automatically ejected and a fresh round is loaded into the chamber. You have to pull the trigger after each shot. This is what the AR-15 is.
Automatic: You pull and hold the trigger. For the entire time the trigger is held, the gun will fire a round, eject the spent round, load a fresh round, and fire again. This is what the M-4 is.
Bolt-action: You manually operate the action with the bolt. Like the semiautomatic, it fires one round per trigger pull. The most popular sniper rifles in the US (the M40) is a military-modified version of the civilian available Remington 700 bolt-action rifle.
And second, Khorne Flakes has also told you that you are wrong, that the AR-15 is semiautomatic and does not fire multiple rounds per trigger pull.
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can it shoot more then 1 bullet by pressing the trigger once?
yes?
No. If it did it would be legally classified as a "machine gun" and only available under strict restrictions. The most significant one is that civilians may only purchase such a weapon if it was manufactured or imported before 1986, which makes automatic weapons an extremely costly affair. And semi-auto weapons which can be easily modified for full auto are completely illegal, even if you were allowed to own an automatic weapon.
Yes, I know many European papers reported the end of the AWB as basically "everybody can buy machine guns"...
That is two people, who typically disagree on a lot of topics, who are telling you that your belief that the AR-15 fires multiple rounds per trigger pull are wrong.
How many posts did it take you before saying that it fires one round per trigger pull? All of your posts leading up to that point are just bickering over loosely used terminology. Assault rifle vs machine gun vs semi automatic rifle has always been cloudy among conversation.
Actually, from pretty much my first post I've said that the AR-15 is semiautomatic (fires one round per trigger pull) and does not meet the technical requirement of being selective mode firing capable with a minimum of one automatic setting to be classified as an assault rifle.
Being EU has nothing to do with it. Lay off. I said before, damn near everyone I know who owns an AR-15 calls it an assault rifle. Damn near everyone else refers to fully automatic weapons as machine guns. I live in America so obviously your nationality has little to do with it.
Then damn near everyone you know who owns an AR-15 is calling it the wrong thing. And anyone who refers to any given automatic as a machine gun is also wrong.
Your picking fly **** out of pepper, nothing more. We get it. Its not officially called an assault rifle. I'm still going to casually refer to it as such.
And I will still tell you that you are wrong. Using the wrong term casually leads to confusions exactly like this one involving Vistella.
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while i might not be a weapon expert, my point still stands and you didnt disprove it yet
The comment about hunting rifles being bolt-action is ignorant and untrue. Hunting rifles, or shutguns, exist with many different types of 'actions'. People hunt with semi-automatic, bolt-action, lever-action, break-action, muzzleloaders, pump-action, etc.
scenario 1:
owning an AR-15 - legal
making it fullauto - illegal
scenario 2:
owning an AR-15 - illegal
making it fullauto - illegal
people are less likly to convert it in scenario 2 as covering the bases (which is owning it in the first place) is way harder to do then in scenario 1
I'm failing to see the relevance here. So it's illegal and therefore harder to do. That's common sense. Do you have info that there are thousands of modified AR-15's out there or what? Is there a fact sheet on the number of modified ar-15's being used in crimes?
Obviously if you make something illegal, it's harder to obtain. What's your point with this modified ar-15 point you're harping on?
Because conservative bias is a far, far worse thing. Liberal bias doesn't, statistically speaking, make people stupid. Conservative bias (or at least Fox's version of it) does.
so a rocket launcher is a hunting rifle cause someone hunts a bear with it?
i see
considering that its impossible to argue anything
How do you get rocket launchers from what I said? I was correcting the statement that hunting rifles are bolt-action, which is untrue. Semi-automatic hunting rifles (which is the fastest legal firing action) are commonly used, and have been for some time.
Then damn near everyone you know who owns an AR-15 is calling it the wrong thing. And anyone who refers to any given automatic as a machine gun is also wrong.
And I will still tell you that you are wrong. Using the wrong term casually leads to confusions exactly like this one involving Vistella.
And thats fine. It just means your comprehension lesser when conversating with normal people who are not gun nuts and use those terms. It just means that every time someone says 'machine gun' IRL you'll need to keep correcting them all, and they won't remember after the fact anyway. Then your just one of "those".
This is perfectly on topic for gun control.
FEW IN AMERICA are worried about lack of gun control in regards to FULL AUTO weapons. You realize this, and you realize thats not what hes talking about, but your pushing the issue for sake of argument, going off on tangent while leaving a mere one-liner in regard to his point: hunting weapons are not the problem.
So I just want to make sure, an AR-15 cannot be easily converted to a fully automatic rifle with modifications?
What I am wondering is if someone could turn an AR-15 into an M16.
-Matt
The M16A4 (the current model) has a safe, semi, and burst settings. It is possible, by filing down a certain pin, to turn the weapon into a fully-automatic variant, which is illegal in the United States.
But let's be honest, would criminals care?
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Because conservative bias is a far, far worse thing. Liberal bias doesn't, statistically speaking, make people stupid. Conservative bias (or at least Fox's version of it) does.
If you want to discuss assault weapons as they compare to hunting rifles, it would be accurate to say that, although they are not automatic, they are far, far better designed to be fired rapidly in semi-automatic modes as compared to a hunting rifle. They also have larger magazine capacities and are lighter.
Those characteristics, if anything, are what lend them to being more effective at, oh I dunno, assaulting?
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Why would you leave your personal property someplace that isn't under your control? Especially property that is serialized, registered to you, and if used in a crime can be traced back to you by ballistics?
Assault rifles are rarely used in shootings because they are extremely rare outside of military or police hands. An AR-15 or an SKS are not assault rifles. Pistols are used for types of hunting and almost all personal defense. And semi-automatic weapons are the most popular sport shooting weapons.
As for the AR-15, it is the most popular small game rifle in the United States.
And it works with guns in other countries as well. As was referenced earlier, look at Switzerland. They have a higher rate of gun ownership than the US, and less crime.
Guns are not the problem. The problem is cultural. Taking action against guns will not address or solve the underlying problem.
I don't recall you complaining when the left wing does exactly this. And it does this frequently - an excellent example would be the running body count the media kept of the Iraq War while Bush was President (and suddenly stopped doing when Obama became President). They used the actual number instead of a percentage, because saying "X,XXX soldiers" sounds much larger than saying "0.X% of deployed soldiers."
Can't have it both ways Timmy. Either you condemn everyone who does this, including lefties, or you condone the use of this tactic by everyone, including righties.
Most people may not live in rural areas, but a lot still do. Enough to wage an effective guerrilla campaign against an invader or oppressive government.
When it supports your position, apparently. But when I cite Wikipedia or another source, you read me the riot act about using Wikipedia and how Wikipedia is not a legit source.
Make up your mind.
Just as reference material:
At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. So say all handguns suddenly dissappeared. If an individual wants to murder another, the other statistics will simply grow in numbers.
Hell, the muder that occured here ealier in the year, at a local restaurant was a shotgun.
Hes just getting really technical on you. Damn near everyone I know who owns an AR-15 refers to it as an assault rifle with the known understanding that its the civilian version. This apparently is one of his pet peeves.
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Also good luck waging a war against the government from hicksvile, Mississippi.
Thirdly, I have never.criticized you for using Wikipedia thank you very much.
Except the AR-15 does not meet the technical or legal requirements to be classified as an assault rifle. Continuing to claim that an AR-15 is an assault rifle after it has been proven that it is not is just pure ignorance and refusal to accept the truth because it erodes your position.
The AR-15 is not capable of selective mode firing. It is not an assault rifle, because one of the requirements of an assault rifle is that the rifle is capable of selective mode firing with at least one automatic setting (be it true automatic or burst fire).
And again, the AR-15 is the most popular small game hunting rifle in the United States. It has a history of being a hunting rifle, this is not a new development. It is also a very popular short shooting rifle. This, too, is not a new development.
Clearly, you have a problem with people using sheer numbers when it does not support your position.
Who said anything about Mississippi? There is a lot of covered terrain that at least 18,000,000 dedicated hunters (and who knows how many sport shooters) could use to conduct guerrilla warfare against an enemy.
I'm pretty sure you have on several occasions. But whatever. Next time it happens, I'll have a quote from you saying Wikipedia is a fine source ready.
I never said there was a high percentage...I was agreeing with you that the percentage is low, but the overall numbers still represent the possibility of a large militia force.
Also, I'm not trying to poo-poo on everyone's parade, I was just wondering if anyone had comments to my previous post.
@ US invasion
This doesn't happen. The United States itself won't be invaded, I'm sorry to say. I don't think that's a very realistic thing to happen, and as such, it shouldn't be an excuse to own assault weapons. If there was any sort of large troop movement heading towards US soil that was unaccounted for, you better believe it'd get taken out pretty quick.
@ Person who asked if assault weapons could be bought easily in the US:
Yes.
-Matt
Legacy:
Thanks to SGT Chubbs for the sig
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle
Specifically:
And for further clarification of the bolded text:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_fire
The AR-15 is not capable of an automatic mode of fire, and as such is not an assault rifle. Neither is the SKS. Or any rifle sold over-the-counter in this country.
Actually Vistella, it can't. The AR-15 is a semiautomatic rifle, meaning it can only fire one round each time you pull the trigger. Pull the trigger and immediately let it go, and the rifle fires one round. Pull the trigger and hold it down and move it around like you're Rambo, it still only fires one round and you look like an idiot.
You're not helping your case at all.
The civilian available AR-15 is semiautomatic only and is not an assault rifle.
The military available M-16 and M-4 are selective fire capable and are assault rifles.
It CAN be converted, yes. But the conversion process is not easy, it requires very precise tooling, and it is a felony.
If you are referring to weapons that meet the political definition of "assault weapon" (a term invented in 1994 to scare people), then yes - they can be easily bought in the US. If you are referring to true assault rifles, then no - they cannot be easily (or cheaply) in the US.
Unless the aggression was from within the US.
Although, I'm not discussing the likelihood of such an event, just defending the idea that should such an event occur, the US population is in a good position to resist, which is part of the point of the 2nd amendment.
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What I am wondering is if someone could turn an AR-15 into an M16.
-Matt
Legacy:
Thanks to SGT Chubbs for the sig
A gunsmith, with the right parts, can retro-fit a AR-15 to become an assault rifle again. However, you are correct that a legally bought AR-15 will not have the mechanism for automatic fire.
While semi-automatic fire can't be as fast as automatic fire, it can be pretty darned fast: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsI461hNxmc
Yes, with the right parts it can be done, and it's not very hard. It is, however, illegal.
No, you are claiming that an AR-15 fires multiple rounds per pull of the trigger. Multiple people have told you that you are wrong. And still you refuse to accept the fact that have been put in front of you.
I have read all of your posts in this thread. And you are very poorly informed about firearms, which is understandable because you are European and guns are very highly demonized in most European nations. We are trying to correct and enlighten you, and all you are doing is telling us we are wrong and you are right and we aren't understanding your position.
So because AR-15s are legal and it is remotely possible to convert it to automatic, we should ban all AR-15s?
Well damn...since cars are legal and it is remotely possible to commit a crime with a car, clearly we need to ban all cars.
After all, it will save lives. People can just use a bus to get from point A to point B. Just like they can wait for the police to save their life when an armed person breaks into their house.
How many posts did it take you before saying that it fires one round per trigger pull? All of your posts leading up to that point are just bickering over loosely used terminology. Assault rifle vs machine gun vs semi automatic rifle has always been cloudy among conversation.
Being EU has nothing to do with it. Lay off. I said before, damn near everyone I know who owns an AR-15 calls it an assault rifle. Damn near everyone else refers to fully automatic weapons as machine guns. I live in America so obviously your nationality has little to do with it.
Your picking fly **** out of pepper, nothing more. We get it. Its not officially called an assault rifle. I'm still going to casually refer to it as such.
Back on topic about gun control please. FEW IN AMERICA are worried about fully automatic weapons in regards to GUN CONTROL. They are already controlled. Hes making the statement that most murders are not commited with hunting rifles. Nothing more.
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First off, the bolded text in your own quote is what semi-automatic is. And secondly, your point does not still stand because it has been disproven on multiple posts in this thread, both before and after you made it.
Any weapon that fires one round per pull of the trigger is a semiautomatic weapon. A bolt-action rifle is a rifle with a manually operated action that does not automatically eject the spent cartridge and load a fresh one.
Semiautomatic: You pull the trigger. The chambered round fires, is automatically ejected and a fresh round is loaded into the chamber. You have to pull the trigger after each shot. This is what the AR-15 is.
Automatic: You pull and hold the trigger. For the entire time the trigger is held, the gun will fire a round, eject the spent round, load a fresh round, and fire again. This is what the M-4 is.
Bolt-action: You manually operate the action with the bolt. Like the semiautomatic, it fires one round per trigger pull. The most popular sniper rifles in the US (the M40) is a military-modified version of the civilian available Remington 700 bolt-action rifle.
And second, Khorne Flakes has also told you that you are wrong, that the AR-15 is semiautomatic and does not fire multiple rounds per trigger pull.
That is two people, who typically disagree on a lot of topics, who are telling you that your belief that the AR-15 fires multiple rounds per trigger pull are wrong.
Actually, from pretty much my first post I've said that the AR-15 is semiautomatic (fires one round per trigger pull) and does not meet the technical requirement of being selective mode firing capable with a minimum of one automatic setting to be classified as an assault rifle.
Then damn near everyone you know who owns an AR-15 is calling it the wrong thing. And anyone who refers to any given automatic as a machine gun is also wrong.
And I will still tell you that you are wrong. Using the wrong term casually leads to confusions exactly like this one involving Vistella.
This is perfectly on topic for gun control.
The comment about hunting rifles being bolt-action is ignorant and untrue. Hunting rifles, or shutguns, exist with many different types of 'actions'. People hunt with semi-automatic, bolt-action, lever-action, break-action, muzzleloaders, pump-action, etc.
I'm failing to see the relevance here. So it's illegal and therefore harder to do. That's common sense. Do you have info that there are thousands of modified AR-15's out there or what? Is there a fact sheet on the number of modified ar-15's being used in crimes?
Obviously if you make something illegal, it's harder to obtain. What's your point with this modified ar-15 point you're harping on?
How do you get rocket launchers from what I said? I was correcting the statement that hunting rifles are bolt-action, which is untrue. Semi-automatic hunting rifles (which is the fastest legal firing action) are commonly used, and have been for some time.
And thats fine. It just means your comprehension lesser when conversating with normal people who are not gun nuts and use those terms. It just means that every time someone says 'machine gun' IRL you'll need to keep correcting them all, and they won't remember after the fact anyway. Then your just one of "those".
FEW IN AMERICA are worried about lack of gun control in regards to FULL AUTO weapons. You realize this, and you realize thats not what hes talking about, but your pushing the issue for sake of argument, going off on tangent while leaving a mere one-liner in regard to his point: hunting weapons are not the problem.
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The M16A4 (the current model) has a safe, semi, and burst settings. It is possible, by filing down a certain pin, to turn the weapon into a fully-automatic variant, which is illegal in the United States.
But let's be honest, would criminals care?
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Then you only need the AR-15 unmodified example, no? What's the modified portion have to do with it?
Scenario1: ar15=legal
Scenario2: ar15=illegal
There's no need for the modified tangent that's muddying the waters, and at least for me, confusing as to what your point was.
Those characteristics, if anything, are what lend them to being more effective at, oh I dunno, assaulting?