I just started getting into this, and figured I'd put my Prismacolor markers to good use. However, after I acetoned the card (basic land), did my pencil sketch, and inked it, I waited about 10 or 20 minutes before attempting to color it. Upon applying the marker to the card, the black ink just came right off. Is this normal? Are my markers crap? Or is my ink the problem?
Long story short, does anyone have really decent tips to altering cards with marker?
I cant seem to find wither of the ink erasers anywhere, any other recommendations. I bought some ink erasers from hobby lobby, but they didn't work at all.
Magic Rub. You can get them at office supply or art supply store. You have to work them a bit, but they make a great surface. I just prime though since erasing takes sooooo long.
Magic Rub. You can get them at office supply or art supply store. You have to work them a bit, but they make a great surface. I just prime though since erasing takes sooooo long.
Ive been using acetone, but only to wipe some of it. I used to just paint over everything is white or grey, then got a complaint they were too thick to still be legal.
Ive been using acetone, but only to wipe some of it. I used to just paint over everything is white or grey, then got a complaint they were too thick to still be legal.
I haven't had any issues. It takes a certain touch, but with the primer watered down a little it lays flat. Also, you don't need to get the primer perfect... just enough to cover most of the underlying image.
Is a certain brand of magic rub better? I found a few options on amazon.
Whenever I do full art alters, the card ends up really flimsy. To the point that when in sleeves you can tell its different.
Is it still tournament legal, and is there a way to avoid this. Right now Im just putting window decal sheets on them to increase the rigidity. But not sure if that is allowed or not.
Edit: I blank everything not in the final product before painting.
Is a certain brand of magic rub better? I found a few options on amazon.
Magic Rub is the brand but I guess if you look for the number 1954 on them you'll be good.
And with your other questions, I don't know. I've never had any issues, so I guess it depends on how you are clearing the ink and how you are painting. When you said that you are using Acetone, do you mean pure or nail polish remover?
Magic Rub is the brand but I guess if you look for the number 1954 on them you'll be good.
And with your other questions, I don't know. I've never had any issues, so I guess it depends on how you are clearing the ink and how you are painting. When you said that you are using Acetone, do you mean pure or nail polish remover?
Pure, then I follow the guide at the beginning. Thinned paint for general back ground colors, then add details.
Sorry, not a fan of alterations on old cards that are in limited supply. They represent a part of the game's history, and in my opinion altering them shows scant regard for that.
hi i was just wondering what grit i should use for the emery paper/cloth. also since emery cloth is sanding paper with a finer grit, does it mean that i might sand off too much of the card?
Hey everybody, I have been looking at some altered arts and I have fallen in love with the art style. Personally I have no artistic background except in music but hey maybe this could be something I'm good at. I plan on buying some brushes and paint soon then going at some basic lands until I feel like I understand fully how to paint and mix colors while using the right amount of water to get a smooth effect.
Just a couple questions.
What pens do you use to touch up the art?
What size/shape brushes should I use?
Is a normal pencil on paper good enough to use as a graphite transfer to the paint?
It would be cool if you get a set of brushes from 2 to 00000, but for the first steps, 2; 1 and 0 would be ok (also, you have flat, pointed, etc types of brushes. Flat ones probed to be the more useful for me, since you can work with them in the flat or pointed way, depending on wich kind of trace you want to do.)
For lining up and create some shadowy effects, I personally use fine markers (0.05) in black, and/or mars black, pure or mixed (and a brush.)
About the carbon transfer, I can't tell you because I never tried that technique before. There are some alterers that use it, like Klug and Gamefreak35 (not sure about the last one, it would be better if you ask him/her.)
I'm looking to try my hand at altering white bordered cards into black bordered ones. I figure that I would carefully overlay masking tap over the card-face, and then go over the border with some kind of ink or paint.
This is just what I plan to do. If anyone with experience doing this kind of alter or any alter in general, could give me some advice on technique or type of ink/paint, I'd greatly appreciate it.
The status quo is acrylics. I've seen watercolors work, and I've even used sharpies for making things black bordered, but that is if you have nothing else.
I guess OP wants it to be 'keyworded' like "dies" was. What word would you replace ETB with though?
When Aegis Angel is born?
When Huntmaster of the Fells arrives?
When Kitchen Sphinx lands?
When Faerie Imposter busts in?
When Dread Cacodemon pops in?
When Malfegor shows up?
Hello,
I'm new to the altering scene but by no means new to mtg. I've been playing for approximately 14 years? I took art classes in high school and I'm currently a web developer and graphic designer, so I have a bit of artistic background to myself. I haven't done too much yet, and when I started reading on how to do alterations and looking through the threads at all the alters I got super excited, read several tutorials and gathered a list of supplies I needed. I didn't have the money to drop on some really nice paints yet, but in the next couple weeks I will be. So far I've extended an unburial rites, which I think is decent and I've got 75% of my Sorin's Vengeance done:
Also, I'm extending the art of the FNM Tectonic Edge for this month as a giveaway prize for this Friday at my local store. I plan on doing something similar to this a lot more often as extra prize support and a way to get my work to the local area and get more practice in.
Enough introduction and on to my biggest issue atm. I'm having trouble with how much paint to use/apply. I've read a lot about doing thin layers and this way you can keep paint brush marks out of your work and keep it from having thick paint on the card. I'm just finding it difficult to do this as it would take like 10 layers to get a solid color where you can't see through to the card, or am I doing something wrong? On the extensions I've done/am working on I erase the borders first and that seems to help, but I find myself just doing 1-2 layers for my base coat and feel like I'm just doing it wrong.
As many do, I prefer Beta editions of cards as opposed to Revised/Unlimited. My main issue is the black border.. I want it! Is there a reliable way to make your Revised/Unlimited cards have black borders? (Not a cheap Sharpie method maybe?)
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This question has been asked an answered many times in various places, but I moved it here (instead of locking it) since it hasn't been properly answered in this thread. Hopefully someone can answer it better than me.
Step 1: Use a damp paper towel (almost dry) to clean the surface of the card since most white bordered cards have a bit of a slick to them.
Step 2: Using a very fine brush and Golden Carbon Black airbrush acrylic paint a thin layer. Then, once dry, paint it again. I usually use 3-4 very thin layers.
Step 3: Let dry for a few hours and give it a spray coating.
Step 4: (Optional) I run a sharpie around all 4 sides so that you don't see the white of the cardboard on the side. It makes them marked without sleeves, but I only use sleeves and they are much cleaner looking this way. Notice in the picture that the Jokulhaups and Obliterate do NOT have the black card edge... I'm fixing that now.
The problem with other paints is that they are thick and can leave some surface to them. Airbrush acrylics are so watery that they lay almost perfectly flat. The downside is that they are incredibly brittle and will scratch off without the spray coat.
Here are some of my black bordered cards (Revised are the easiest and new borders are the hardest):
Note: Catastrophe is Beatdown because I couldn't find an Urza's... so it looks just like an Urzas... :doh:
How do I get started? I have a bunch of usable cards, but no clue how to start doing this. Would like to start off in a budget ($30-40). Not talented at drawing, mostly going to be doing this just for fun. Any advice would be great. Thanks.
I just started doing alters. I went to a craft shop and bought about 18 bottles of acrylic paint in different colors. I learned there is something called "craft paint" and theres "artist paint" The "artist paint" is a better quality paint, but I really have no experience with it. It seemed to cost a lot more than craft paint. The craft paint was only 50 cents a 59 ml bottle (there was a sale). I spent about $35 with brushes and paint pallet
I have only done 10 tokens so far. It takes some skill to paint the card and not have the paint be too thick. I need to work on that, then I'll move onto real cards so they won't feel different from an unaltered card.
I asked a guy at my LGS, (he does commissioned alters) how he gets his paint so thin, and he says he uses paint pens. So thats something I plan to check out.
I spent about $35 for paints, pallet and a pack of brushes. Just jump in and go for it. My Avatar is my first alter. Its supposed to be Krang from TMNT as germ token.
So I just went to the art supply store in town, after having read the tutorial for the Strip Mine alter, and decided to pick up some paint etc...
I decided to do a base coat of primer instead of erasing the card altogether. Right now I'm more focused on learning tricks to blend colors better and really tie the extended art into the original as seamlessly as possible.
This is my first crack at it, a John Avon Mountain from Mirage (thought it was easy and I was super wrong).
Took me about an hour or so to get this far. I feel like it's nearing completion but I am having trouble figuring out the colors for the trees in the mountains. I've tried mixing Titanium White, Mars Black and Pthawhatever Green and also Burn Sienna, Cadmium Yellow and Pthawhatever Green but I just can't seem to get it right.
I came closer on the sky and that looks kinda okay but I feel like I could do better.
Looking for assistance on starting alters. I just picked up some Liquitex Acrylics in the base colors recommended and picked up as close to the appropriate brushes I could find for painting.
These are the first two that I have done; a Mirage Mountain by John Avon extended to boarder-less and a full art Zendikar Island by Vincent Proce.
My two biggest issues are obviously mixing and blending colors. It's painfully obvious that I am having some serious issues matching colors for a seamless blend.
I am planning on picking up a Magic Palette Color Mixing Guide soon to help with that.
My other issue is terrain detailing. I'm sure there is a technique to duplicate the crevices etc... in those stone bowls. Any ideas?
Editing to add my third alter. I'm beginning to get the hang of blending colors to make the alter more seamless but I find myself touching up quite a bit and it's causing my layers to become too thick. I think I need to take my time and thin my layers out more for a smoother texture. You can see the brush strokes pretty well on this one.
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Hi, I was wondering if anyone has had experience with these? I tried using them but I cannot get a clean coat without noticeable brush strokes.. Similar to the bottom right two on http://www.cardkitty.com/gallery.php?view=anime&page=6 but not quite that bad. I've tried watering them down but it didn't help much to get a brush stroke-less piece... I can upload a picture if that would help clarify my issue...
Hello. I am new to this whole altering thing, but I'm really enjoying it.
I do not have the money for Golden Liquid Acrylics right now, but I do have plenty of Citadel Colour paints from when I painted Warhammer miniatures. Now, I have a few questions. First, does anyone actually use Citadel paints, and if so, what is a good consistency to paint with them? Basically, to what point should I thin them?
Also, any tips for sealing alters? The last alter I sealed didn't look too good after hitting it with matte spray sealer. I suspect that I was too close to the card, but I would like to confirm this.
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I think you won't stray too far with black cards. Black will often be the easiest (but also at times the hardest) to work with. Good luck!
Long story short, does anyone have really decent tips to altering cards with marker?
WUBRGPauper Battle BoxWUBRG ... and why I am not a fan of Wayne Reynolds' Illustrations.
Ive been using acetone, but only to wipe some of it. I used to just paint over everything is white or grey, then got a complaint they were too thick to still be legal.
I haven't had any issues. It takes a certain touch, but with the primer watered down a little it lays flat. Also, you don't need to get the primer perfect... just enough to cover most of the underlying image.
WUBRGPauper Battle BoxWUBRG ... and why I am not a fan of Wayne Reynolds' Illustrations.
Whenever I do full art alters, the card ends up really flimsy. To the point that when in sleeves you can tell its different.
Is it still tournament legal, and is there a way to avoid this. Right now Im just putting window decal sheets on them to increase the rigidity. But not sure if that is allowed or not.
Edit: I blank everything not in the final product before painting.
Magic Rub is the brand but I guess if you look for the number 1954 on them you'll be good.
And with your other questions, I don't know. I've never had any issues, so I guess it depends on how you are clearing the ink and how you are painting. When you said that you are using Acetone, do you mean pure or nail polish remover?
WUBRGPauper Battle BoxWUBRG ... and why I am not a fan of Wayne Reynolds' Illustrations.
Pure, then I follow the guide at the beginning. Thinned paint for general back ground colors, then add details.
Paint markers (alcohol based like Copic) don't sit well on an acrylic foundation.
EDH
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Just a couple questions.
What pens do you use to touch up the art?
What size/shape brushes should I use?
Is a normal pencil on paper good enough to use as a graphite transfer to the paint?
More to come hopefully.
It would be cool if you get a set of brushes from 2 to 00000, but for the first steps, 2; 1 and 0 would be ok (also, you have flat, pointed, etc types of brushes. Flat ones probed to be the more useful for me, since you can work with them in the flat or pointed way, depending on wich kind of trace you want to do.)
For lining up and create some shadowy effects, I personally use fine markers (0.05) in black, and/or mars black, pure or mixed (and a brush.)
About the carbon transfer, I can't tell you because I never tried that technique before. There are some alterers that use it, like Klug and Gamefreak35 (not sure about the last one, it would be better if you ask him/her.)
My two cents.
BBull.
I'm looking to try my hand at altering white bordered cards into black bordered ones. I figure that I would carefully overlay masking tap over the card-face, and then go over the border with some kind of ink or paint.
This is just what I plan to do. If anyone with experience doing this kind of alter or any alter in general, could give me some advice on technique or type of ink/paint, I'd greatly appreciate it.
I'm new to the altering scene but by no means new to mtg. I've been playing for approximately 14 years? I took art classes in high school and I'm currently a web developer and graphic designer, so I have a bit of artistic background to myself. I haven't done too much yet, and when I started reading on how to do alterations and looking through the threads at all the alters I got super excited, read several tutorials and gathered a list of supplies I needed. I didn't have the money to drop on some really nice paints yet, but in the next couple weeks I will be. So far I've extended an unburial rites, which I think is decent and I've got 75% of my Sorin's Vengeance done:
Also, I'm extending the art of the FNM Tectonic Edge for this month as a giveaway prize for this Friday at my local store. I plan on doing something similar to this a lot more often as extra prize support and a way to get my work to the local area and get more practice in.
Enough introduction and on to my biggest issue atm. I'm having trouble with how much paint to use/apply. I've read a lot about doing thin layers and this way you can keep paint brush marks out of your work and keep it from having thick paint on the card. I'm just finding it difficult to do this as it would take like 10 layers to get a solid color where you can't see through to the card, or am I doing something wrong? On the extensions I've done/am working on I erase the borders first and that seems to help, but I find myself just doing 1-2 layers for my base coat and feel like I'm just doing it wrong.
Is there a reliable way to make your Revised/Unlimited cards have black borders? (Not a cheap Sharpie method maybe?)
Moved to [ALT] Card Alters — Questions, Tips & How to Get Started!
This question has been asked an answered many times in various places, but I moved it here (instead of locking it) since it hasn't been properly answered in this thread. Hopefully someone can answer it better than me.
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Step 2: Using a very fine brush and Golden Carbon Black airbrush acrylic paint a thin layer. Then, once dry, paint it again. I usually use 3-4 very thin layers.
Step 3: Let dry for a few hours and give it a spray coating.
Step 4: (Optional) I run a sharpie around all 4 sides so that you don't see the white of the cardboard on the side. It makes them marked without sleeves, but I only use sleeves and they are much cleaner looking this way. Notice in the picture that the Jokulhaups and Obliterate do NOT have the black card edge... I'm fixing that now.
The problem with other paints is that they are thick and can leave some surface to them. Airbrush acrylics are so watery that they lay almost perfectly flat. The downside is that they are incredibly brittle and will scratch off without the spray coat.
Here are some of my black bordered cards (Revised are the easiest and new borders are the hardest): Note: Catastrophe is Beatdown because I couldn't find an Urza's... so it looks just like an Urzas... :doh:
WUBRGPauper Battle BoxWUBRG ... and why I am not a fan of Wayne Reynolds' Illustrations.
I have only done 10 tokens so far. It takes some skill to paint the card and not have the paint be too thick. I need to work on that, then I'll move onto real cards so they won't feel different from an unaltered card.
I asked a guy at my LGS, (he does commissioned alters) how he gets his paint so thin, and he says he uses paint pens. So thats something I plan to check out.
I spent about $35 for paints, pallet and a pack of brushes. Just jump in and go for it. My Avatar is my first alter. Its supposed to be Krang from TMNT as germ token.
I decided to do a base coat of primer instead of erasing the card altogether. Right now I'm more focused on learning tricks to blend colors better and really tie the extended art into the original as seamlessly as possible.
This is my first crack at it, a John Avon Mountain from Mirage (thought it was easy and I was super wrong).
Took me about an hour or so to get this far. I feel like it's nearing completion but I am having trouble figuring out the colors for the trees in the mountains. I've tried mixing Titanium White, Mars Black and Pthawhatever Green and also Burn Sienna, Cadmium Yellow and Pthawhatever Green but I just can't seem to get it right.
I came closer on the sky and that looks kinda okay but I feel like I could do better.
Looking for assistance on starting alters. I just picked up some Liquitex Acrylics in the base colors recommended and picked up as close to the appropriate brushes I could find for painting.
These are the first two that I have done; a Mirage Mountain by John Avon extended to boarder-less and a full art Zendikar Island by Vincent Proce.
My two biggest issues are obviously mixing and blending colors. It's painfully obvious that I am having some serious issues matching colors for a seamless blend.
I am planning on picking up a Magic Palette Color Mixing Guide soon to help with that.
My other issue is terrain detailing. I'm sure there is a technique to duplicate the crevices etc... in those stone bowls. Any ideas?
Editing to add my third alter. I'm beginning to get the hang of blending colors to make the alter more seamless but I find myself touching up quite a bit and it's causing my layers to become too thick. I think I need to take my time and thin my layers out more for a smoother texture. You can see the brush strokes pretty well on this one.
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thanks!
I do not have the money for Golden Liquid Acrylics right now, but I do have plenty of Citadel Colour paints from when I painted Warhammer miniatures. Now, I have a few questions. First, does anyone actually use Citadel paints, and if so, what is a good consistency to paint with them? Basically, to what point should I thin them?
Also, any tips for sealing alters? The last alter I sealed didn't look too good after hitting it with matte spray sealer. I suspect that I was too close to the card, but I would like to confirm this.