I've been doing this for over 3 years. Do you have any idea how much I've been copied?
Do I get pissed? NO! lol, I mean, seriously if you copy my stuff, I couldn't give a damn.
I like being able to set trends and stuff. I consider it a complement to see a style or even an alter I did copied.
If I do really special super one-time stuff, I don't post it on the internet. Simple as that.
Well, they do say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
In CK's defense, what kind of proposed solution could there realistically be? When an artist recieves a request to do a particular piece, should they dig through the deepest reaches of the internet to ensure that the piece has never been done before?
The thing that makes this case a bit special is that all the digging that needed to be done was a mere 20 pages back. But in an a thread over 1200 pages, that usually grows at least two pages a day, unless the thread is checked daily by someone who likely has a very busy schedule, it is very easy to miss.
Galvanic clearly takes no major offense to the duplication (unintentional or otherwise) of his work, and, if you want my honest opinion, I think the one he did is my personal favorite of the two, but I do understand you position on the issue and I do think some kind of formal understanding/outline should be created to at least try to prevent or resolve the issue of known duplication.
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Interesting. I'm new to this whole card altering bit. So far I've been doing it for myself and a few friends. I will admit to checking the altered art thread for ideas and inspirations... I like to see what other people are doing. It gives me ideas. I'll admint to seeing that Mad Hatter Jhoira and thinking I would enjoy doing something similar once I get a bit better working on this tiny of a scale; it rather fits that card and even Jhoira herself a bit.
I don't know. I'll probably keep checking that thread for art ideas and inspirations as well as doing my own. And if I'm ever copied... what flattery. And besides, if I did a given alter that really took off... I'd only ever want to do a few of them to avoid boredom. If someone else wanted one, someone else would have to be the painter or get yet another someone else to do it.
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I personally feel that as a community, as we are modifying others' works, we forget that we are taking their original ideas and saying, "this is how I will it to be different."
I sense that because of the level of expertise and professionalism between both Gal and Card Kitty, that this is a coincidence.
It is neither a mistake or plaigiarism, as nobody did anything wrong.
I'm not sure how it helps to vent and accuse, but I would probably get equally upset if those around me were minimizing my concerns.
However, it doesn't seem that the commission was asked of CK to be a duplicate of Gal's work, and because of the vast differences, both consumers have a truly unique piece.
I might just join in with banging my head against the wall, but every extension, frameless, borderless variant of any given card could be called a copycat just because the card's art lends itself to a particular angle or shape.
Lastly, the ONLY way to actually prevent duplication is to never reveal finished products.
In all honesty, I wanted to parody this whole event on Duplicity and have half of each piece, but don't own a copy of the card.
This thread is for competitive decks only. Your deck is not Grixis Control, as you said yourself. A serious decklist with shroud and counterspells belongs here, not a for fun/casual decklist with bad discard. Sorry, but your princess is in another castle.
Fair use is exactly the word that came to mind when I first read the issue. Biomecha still hasn't answered why it's appropriate for him/her to fair use Alice and Wonderland characters, but it's inappropriate for cardkitty to fair use his/her alter.
If it's duplicated in paint, with several changes, fair use applies. It's the reason there are plenty of movie, pokemon, anime, and other similiarly inspired alters done.
Fair use is exactly the word that came to mind when I first read the issue. Biomecha still hasn't answered why it's appropriate for him/her to fair use Alice and Wonderland characters, but it's inappropriate for cardkitty to fair use his/her alter. .
I don't think that this helps, for multiple reasons:
A.) We shouldn't be demanding an answer from Bio for the textbook definition of Fair Use. Bio shouldn't have to answer to any of us, the same as we shouldn't be forced to answer to Bio.
B.) It's been made clear that there was concern for the singularity of Bio's commission. My understanding was that Bio felt that the likeness of CK's Jhoira was based on that of Gal's, not that Alice in Wonderland can only be done for one person. (that would be absurd)
C.) I am also of the understanding that CK didn't use Bio's alter as a basis for his/her/their alter, which then makes it unfair to have anyone else assume or accuse CK of such a crime.
This thread is for competitive decks only. Your deck is not Grixis Control, as you said yourself. A serious decklist with shroud and counterspells belongs here, not a for fun/casual decklist with bad discard. Sorry, but your princess is in another castle.
I don't think that this helps, for multiple reasons:
A.) We shouldn't be demanding an answer from Bio for the textbook definition of Fair Use. Bio shouldn't have to answer to any of us, the same as we shouldn't be forced to answer to Bio.
But yes it does, being that this whole situation reeks of FAIR USE. He really believes that he has the copyright to a Alice In Wonderland altered Jhoira with the cat to the left? Like, till he dies? Or his card burns in a fire? For the end of time? His not answering the question is what is getting questionable here, and really it is just a question. He has been asking alot of them of us.
Also a bad idea is to roast people for their opinion of the appropriateness of the post in question when your entire defense is based on your opinion of the appropriateness of the post.
But yes it does, being that this whole situation reeks of FAIR USE. He really believes that he has the copyright to a Alice In Wonderland altered Jhoira with the cat to the left? Like, till he dies? Or his card burns in a fire? For the end of time? His not answering the question is what is getting questionable here, and really it is just a question. He has been asking alot of them of us.
I'm not answering it, because I already said I wasn't going to answer it. I'm not going to derail this thread from its' intended purpose into a legal exercise that nobody is going to win.
The tone of your post, as well as Blood's original post and Klug's most recent one, all heavily imply what kind of argument will come out of any response to that question, no matter how logically sound or educated it might be. This is all I'm going to say on the matter, so I suggest you not attempt further compound the issue.
As I suggested, there is only one potentially productive thing that can come of this; that is the altering community taking steps to avoid repeating mistakes like this one, and other similar mistakes that I have seen in the thread previously. Otherwise (as we can see by this argument taking place, as well as previous arguments), someone else is bound to take issue given enough time.
I would like to help in coming up with ways to assist with this idea.
@Bom Scriba: A and B are correct. While C still remains to be seen, I have no choice but to accept it until proven otherwise.
the altering community taking steps to avoid repeating mistakes like this one, and other similar mistakes that I have seen in the thread previously.
I would like to help in coming up with ways to assist with this idea. @Bom Scriba: A and B are correct. While C still remains to be seen, I have no choice but to accept it until proven otherwise.
The beauty of art is how open and creative we get to be. When someone feels wronged, they should be allowed to state their feelings.
Now, I like to think of myself as open-minded, so I would appreciate it if you could please accept that there is no way to prove your idea that CK deliberately and maliciously ripped off your commission.
That in and of itself needs to be dropped.
As I stated, we understand you're upset and with the majority of posts pertaining to pointing fingers, this is going to become a huge slander-fest.
As of right now, there is neither actual or imaginary claim to anything here, but keep accusing eachother and you will be opening a legal can of worms.
This thread is for competitive decks only. Your deck is not Grixis Control, as you said yourself. A serious decklist with shroud and counterspells belongs here, not a for fun/casual decklist with bad discard. Sorry, but your princess is in another castle.
I'm not answering it, because I already said I wasn't going to answer it. I'm not going to derail this thread from its' intended purpose into a legal exercise that nobody is going to win.
The tone of your post, as well as Blood's original post and Klug's most recent one, all heavily imply what kind of argument will come out of any response to that question, no matter how logically sound or educated it might be. This is all I'm going to say on the matter, so I suggest you not attempt further compound the issue.
As I suggested, there is only one potentially productive thing that can come of this; that is the altering community taking steps to avoid repeating mistakes like this one, and other similar mistakes that I have seen in the thread previously. Otherwise (as we can see by this argument taking place, as well as previous arguments), someone else is bound to take issue given enough time.
I would like to help in coming up with ways to assist with this idea.
@Bom Scriba: A and B are correct. While C still remains to be seen, I have no choice but to accept it until proven otherwise.
I don't see this as a mistake which needs to be avoided. There is room for similar art pieces to exist. It seems probable that Gal's piece inspired the person who commissioned Kitty, but the pieces are uniquely their own. They do have similarities, but they are likely to have similarities to many other pieces of pop-art incorporating Burton's vision of Alice in Wonderland.
Drama, drama, drama, drama. Why can't we all just play nice? Somebody liked your idea enough to want one of their own. Big whoop. CK didn't know about it, no surprise, thousands of cards are up in that thread. Your idea is immaterial (unless of course you extracted and physically mailed it to him...) and unoriginal (Alice in Wonderland, meh), but the person to put the actual effort into it was Galspanic. Is Gal upset? He says he's irked. If he wants to fight this fight, let him, if he doesn't, let it go. Like he said, no point causing himself problems here, and if there's no point raising a fuss, then it probably isn't that big a deal in the long run. What do you say Galspanic? Myself, I'd consider your word here final. Is it, or is it not, a big deal worth all the trouble of riling everyone up and going to extremes like trying to set up some crazy checklist system or something to keep from reusing ideas or being misled by users? (Not that that had been suggested, but how else are the commissioned going to be able to check every card? Check 19,000+ responses for a double?!)
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This is ridiculous. I started writing a post, then chilled out, then came back and saw that apparently this is still an issue.
I understand Biomechanika being upset; his altered card is no longer as 'special'. However, there is almost absolutely nothing that can (or should) be done about this.
When somebody commissions something, I'm pretty sure that it's assumed in most cases that the alterer retains the 'rights' to their work, not so much in a legal sense as just the general idea that they can alter another card in the same way, or permit others to do so, or put up scans, or whatever. If someone wants to commission something and then have the alterer never do it again, that should be stipulated as part of the commission, not assumed to be the case. It is also worth keeping in mind that this could deny the alterer future commissions; if somebody wanted the same alter from Galspanic at a later date (let's pretend he was desperate for commissions), should he tell them no, because Biomechanika's general is 'special'? How much do you think he should be compensated as part of the original commission to preserve this 'special' aspect of the alter? Or should he just be 'honorable' and keep the alter sacred forever and ever?
I would guess that the majority of commissions wherein something like that happens involve someone saying, "I want this on this," and then the alterer goes and does it. I take a look at the altered art thread every once in a while, but I am not going to go trawling through twenty or even five pages to see if a commission has already been done. As for the people commissioning copies of alters, well, there is really nothing to do but discourage that sort of thing, or, probably more effective, encourage them to name the original alterer so they can be asked for permission. The times (that I know of) when I've been asked to copy someone's alter, I have been linked the original alterer and was able to ask permission. *
Basically, there's no way to enforce anything like this without first finding out the legality of every aspect involved, and that would be a mess not worth some people being upset. The only thing to do is to encourage people commissioning duplicate work to be polite and include the original alterer. And something tells me that accusing alterers of deliberately ignoring your special needs to satisfy their greed is not the best way to do that.
* Excluding the one time somebody asked for a "night-time Library, like CK's". I figured the idea of a night-time Library was general enough, and that mine was going to be different enough from CK's that it wouldn't really count. Hope you don't mind, CK!
EDIT: Just saw yawg's policy of not posting special alters online. Seems like a good way to maintain a card's uniqueness, but again, should be specifically asked of the alterer, not assumed.
This argument is getting strange.
I understand that bio wanted his artwork to be special. It's special cause it doesn't have the same art.
I like the artwork on the cards. I never wanted to change anything. I consider my only Jace Beleren special. Even if there are millions of him worldwide he is still special for me.
I think you made that alter cause you were getting bored of the picture of Jhoira. You wanted something new. The person who wanted the other artwork got bored of the picture too and wanted something different.
Your alter is still special because you are the only one who ows it.
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I'll be up front with the fact that I'm primarily arguing for the sake of arguing. There's nothing at stake here as there is no way of restricting what anyone does in regards to their alters (bar chastising them over the internet).
If I'm invested in this argument at all it's because it's irritating to hear people try to impose rules on art (or altering). There's no chance stopping it, just as there's no chance Biomecha's mind can be changed.
Anyway...off to start assembly-lining some AIW Jhoiras.
I think you took this thing the wrong way. The only controversy here is that you were base enough to post this thread.
You should be honored that somebody like card kitty liked your idea enough to redo it and run with it, not go post a thread about it on the forums. Not only is it not a copy, but its just the theme of the card and has been done completely different... Artistically different.
There is no original though in this world, you might think you thought the idea up, but I guarantee theres probably a few people that thought it up before you. You should embrace the fact that others think like you, and find the same things cool.
I want to add that Card Kitty is probably one of the best alterers out there. His art gets ripped off all the time and you don't see him jumping out windows every time it happens. Seriously, cut the guy some slack, hes done more for card altering than your alice in wonderland jhoira ever will.
Set your pride aside and Give him some respect, I think hes earned it.
Would the artists in this thread object to being asked not to post the alter on the internet, so long as it's done when the commission is in the preliminary stages? If I was concerned about this, that would be my approach.
It's still a unique alter, and the OP doesn't own Alice or Jhoira, so I'm not quite sure what all the fuss is about. The alters look different (could they look the same? Two different artists) so I think this is much ado about nothing.
I have an armband tattoo around my right arm, of elephants linked together. After getting it done, I found out that Flea from RHCP has a similar tattoo. Doesn't make mine any less unique; in fact, it associates me with someone who is probably much cooler than I am. I'm sure the tat has a different meaning for Flea than it does for me.
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I think you took this thing the wrong way. The only controversy here is that you were base enough to post this thread.
You should be honored that somebody like card kitty liked your idea enough to redo it and run with it, not go post a thread about it on the forums. Not only is it not a copy, but its just the theme of the card and has been done completely different... Artistically different.
There is no original though in this world, you might think you thought the idea up, but I guarantee theres probably a few people that thought it up before you. You should embrace the fact that others think like you, and find the same things cool.
I want to add that Card Kitty is probably one of the best alterers out there. His art gets ripped off all the time and you don't see him jumping out windows every time it happens. Seriously, cut the guy some slack, hes done more for card altering than your alice in wonderland jhoira ever will.
Set your pride aside and Give him some respect, I think hes earned it.
I'm tempted to infract you for flaming. I said be civil, and I mean it.
He didn't make a thread, I split this off from another thread.
The OP is calling Card kitty ignorant, money hungry, selfish and negligent. I think its horrible for bio to be calling CK that stuff and paint(pun intended) him in a negative light like that and in this fashion. I think bio is the one being all those things, especially the selfish part.
The fact of the matter is card kitty is probably the most ripped off of all the alterers and his work is top class. Its a shame to see a thread like this dogging him like that and is blatently disrespectful. I'm just standing up for my boy CK and trying to set the record straight.
I think I am entitled to saying how I think he should be acting and handling the situation too, especially when its being handled the exact opposite of the way I think it should be handled.
He didn't make a thread, I split this off from another thread.
Be polite, or don't post. It's that simple.
Wow, I want to speak up for me, and maybe a few others, when I say that I was kindof confused how this brand new thread popped up after and was an exact copy of the other page 1,XXX in the other thread. I had thought he started this thread himself. I think maybe some people thought a little strange that he was fending himself there and started a new thread.
Also a bad idea is to roast people for their opinion of the appropriateness of the post in question when your entire defense is based on your opinion of the appropriateness of the post.
Wow, I want to speak up for me, and maybe a few others, when I say that I was kindof confused how this brand new thread popped up after and was an exact copy of the other page 1,XXX in the other thread. I had thought he started this thread himself. I think maybe some people thought a little strange that he was fending himself there and started a new thread.
Honestly, I was surprised as well. I don't see how anyone could assume that I created the thread when I don't have the ability to post for other people, let alone make exact duplicate posts of the thread in here for them.
That being said, there is a difference between directly calling someone something, and labeling their actions as such.
I feel that this thread has run its course. I cannot force anyone to act more professionally, yet I cannot undo what has been done. However, I do not regret bringing this up, because it absolutely needed to be said. The fact that it stirred up what it did might be enough to set an example that lessens issues like this one occurring in the future.
I would think tho, that issues like this can only possily happen more and more as time elapses, so let's just see what is in store for us. Oh, I would think that just the fact that you are the ONLY person who has that alter by THAT artist would mean alot! I do want to apologize for my lack of forum skills. I thought that you started it because you were the first post of the thread, but all the rest I couldn't explain.
You are right in not regretting bringing it up tho, we all should feel the right to speak up as long as we handle it as well as you did, sir.
Also a bad idea is to roast people for their opinion of the appropriateness of the post in question when your entire defense is based on your opinion of the appropriateness of the post.
Wow, I want to speak up for me, and maybe a few others, when I say that I was kindof confused how this brand new thread popped up after and was an exact copy of the other page 1,XXX in the other thread. I had thought he started this thread himself. I think maybe some people thought a little strange that he was fending himself there and started a new thread.
Welcome to having an active moderator. I did this because the discussion took over the altered art thread, and I felt it was having a negative impact on the thread. So I split everything I could off of it.
Look- If you don't want your alter copied, ask the artist not to post it. If I see a cool idea on here (and it's not uber hard to do) and it's a card I use frequently, then I'm going to copy it. Someone (I think it was CK or Yawg, forgive me if I'm wrong) altered a Treasure Hunt by putting the symbol in the art onto the textbox. I thought it was pretty dang cool, so I made one too. If the guy who has the original ever actually meets me, does he have a right to yell at me for making a piece of art for personal enjoyment? No. Can Van Gogh hate on me because I did "Starry Night" in pastels to learn some technique? No. I understand why you think your Jhoira isn't special, but it is. It's YOUR Jhoira. What makes the card special is the memories you have with it and of it, not the paint. Just think about that.
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I feel that the artist has no way of knowing if an alter has been done before. It's not their responsibility to search every corner of the internet to see if one has been done before.
And if you don't want an image to get copied, do something more unique than a stock photo from the movie that pops up in the very first page of GIS.
Do I get pissed? NO! lol, I mean, seriously if you copy my stuff, I couldn't give a damn.
I like being able to set trends and stuff. I consider it a complement to see a style or even an alter I did copied.
If I do really special super one-time stuff, I don't post it on the internet. Simple as that.
In CK's defense, what kind of proposed solution could there realistically be? When an artist recieves a request to do a particular piece, should they dig through the deepest reaches of the internet to ensure that the piece has never been done before?
The thing that makes this case a bit special is that all the digging that needed to be done was a mere 20 pages back. But in an a thread over 1200 pages, that usually grows at least two pages a day, unless the thread is checked daily by someone who likely has a very busy schedule, it is very easy to miss.
Galvanic clearly takes no major offense to the duplication (unintentional or otherwise) of his work, and, if you want my honest opinion, I think the one he did is my personal favorite of the two, but I do understand you position on the issue and I do think some kind of formal understanding/outline should be created to at least try to prevent or resolve the issue of known duplication.
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I don't know. I'll probably keep checking that thread for art ideas and inspirations as well as doing my own. And if I'm ever copied... what flattery. And besides, if I did a given alter that really took off... I'd only ever want to do a few of them to avoid boredom. If someone else wanted one, someone else would have to be the painter or get yet another someone else to do it.
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I sense that because of the level of expertise and professionalism between both Gal and Card Kitty, that this is a coincidence.
It is neither a mistake or plaigiarism, as nobody did anything wrong.
I'm not sure how it helps to vent and accuse, but I would probably get equally upset if those around me were minimizing my concerns.
However, it doesn't seem that the commission was asked of CK to be a duplicate of Gal's work, and because of the vast differences, both consumers have a truly unique piece.
I might just join in with banging my head against the wall, but every extension, frameless, borderless variant of any given card could be called a copycat just because the card's art lends itself to a particular angle or shape.
Lastly, the ONLY way to actually prevent duplication is to never reveal finished products.
In all honesty, I wanted to parody this whole event on Duplicity and have half of each piece, but don't own a copy of the card.
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I don't think that this helps, for multiple reasons:
A.) We shouldn't be demanding an answer from Bio for the textbook definition of Fair Use. Bio shouldn't have to answer to any of us, the same as we shouldn't be forced to answer to Bio.
B.) It's been made clear that there was concern for the singularity of Bio's commission. My understanding was that Bio felt that the likeness of CK's Jhoira was based on that of Gal's, not that Alice in Wonderland can only be done for one person. (that would be absurd)
C.) I am also of the understanding that CK didn't use Bio's alter as a basis for his/her/their alter, which then makes it unfair to have anyone else assume or accuse CK of such a crime.
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But yes it does, being that this whole situation reeks of FAIR USE. He really believes that he has the copyright to a Alice In Wonderland altered Jhoira with the cat to the left? Like, till he dies? Or his card burns in a fire? For the end of time? His not answering the question is what is getting questionable here, and really it is just a question. He has been asking alot of them of us.
I'm not answering it, because I already said I wasn't going to answer it. I'm not going to derail this thread from its' intended purpose into a legal exercise that nobody is going to win.
The tone of your post, as well as Blood's original post and Klug's most recent one, all heavily imply what kind of argument will come out of any response to that question, no matter how logically sound or educated it might be. This is all I'm going to say on the matter, so I suggest you not attempt further compound the issue.
As I suggested, there is only one potentially productive thing that can come of this; that is the altering community taking steps to avoid repeating mistakes like this one, and other similar mistakes that I have seen in the thread previously. Otherwise (as we can see by this argument taking place, as well as previous arguments), someone else is bound to take issue given enough time.
I would like to help in coming up with ways to assist with this idea.
@Bom Scriba: A and B are correct. While C still remains to be seen, I have no choice but to accept it until proven otherwise.
The beauty of art is how open and creative we get to be. When someone feels wronged, they should be allowed to state their feelings.
Now, I like to think of myself as open-minded, so I would appreciate it if you could please accept that there is no way to prove your idea that CK deliberately and maliciously ripped off your commission.
That in and of itself needs to be dropped.
As I stated, we understand you're upset and with the majority of posts pertaining to pointing fingers, this is going to become a huge slander-fest.
As of right now, there is neither actual or imaginary claim to anything here, but keep accusing eachother and you will be opening a legal can of worms.
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I don't see this as a mistake which needs to be avoided. There is room for similar art pieces to exist. It seems probable that Gal's piece inspired the person who commissioned Kitty, but the pieces are uniquely their own. They do have similarities, but they are likely to have similarities to many other pieces of pop-art incorporating Burton's vision of Alice in Wonderland.
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I understand Biomechanika being upset; his altered card is no longer as 'special'. However, there is almost absolutely nothing that can (or should) be done about this.
When somebody commissions something, I'm pretty sure that it's assumed in most cases that the alterer retains the 'rights' to their work, not so much in a legal sense as just the general idea that they can alter another card in the same way, or permit others to do so, or put up scans, or whatever. If someone wants to commission something and then have the alterer never do it again, that should be stipulated as part of the commission, not assumed to be the case. It is also worth keeping in mind that this could deny the alterer future commissions; if somebody wanted the same alter from Galspanic at a later date (let's pretend he was desperate for commissions), should he tell them no, because Biomechanika's general is 'special'? How much do you think he should be compensated as part of the original commission to preserve this 'special' aspect of the alter? Or should he just be 'honorable' and keep the alter sacred forever and ever?
I would guess that the majority of commissions wherein something like that happens involve someone saying, "I want this on this," and then the alterer goes and does it. I take a look at the altered art thread every once in a while, but I am not going to go trawling through twenty or even five pages to see if a commission has already been done. As for the people commissioning copies of alters, well, there is really nothing to do but discourage that sort of thing, or, probably more effective, encourage them to name the original alterer so they can be asked for permission. The times (that I know of) when I've been asked to copy someone's alter, I have been linked the original alterer and was able to ask permission. *
Basically, there's no way to enforce anything like this without first finding out the legality of every aspect involved, and that would be a mess not worth some people being upset. The only thing to do is to encourage people commissioning duplicate work to be polite and include the original alterer. And something tells me that accusing alterers of deliberately ignoring your special needs to satisfy their greed is not the best way to do that.
* Excluding the one time somebody asked for a "night-time Library, like CK's". I figured the idea of a night-time Library was general enough, and that mine was going to be different enough from CK's that it wouldn't really count. Hope you don't mind, CK!
EDIT: Just saw yawg's policy of not posting special alters online. Seems like a good way to maintain a card's uniqueness, but again, should be specifically asked of the alterer, not assumed.
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I understand that bio wanted his artwork to be special. It's special cause it doesn't have the same art.
I like the artwork on the cards. I never wanted to change anything. I consider my only Jace Beleren special. Even if there are millions of him worldwide he is still special for me.
I think you made that alter cause you were getting bored of the picture of Jhoira. You wanted something new. The person who wanted the other artwork got bored of the picture too and wanted something different.
Your alter is still special because you are the only one who ows it.
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If I'm invested in this argument at all it's because it's irritating to hear people try to impose rules on art (or altering). There's no chance stopping it, just as there's no chance Biomecha's mind can be changed.
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You should be honored that somebody like card kitty liked your idea enough to redo it and run with it, not go post a thread about it on the forums. Not only is it not a copy, but its just the theme of the card and has been done completely different... Artistically different.
There is no original though in this world, you might think you thought the idea up, but I guarantee theres probably a few people that thought it up before you. You should embrace the fact that others think like you, and find the same things cool.
I want to add that Card Kitty is probably one of the best alterers out there. His art gets ripped off all the time and you don't see him jumping out windows every time it happens. Seriously, cut the guy some slack, hes done more for card altering than your alice in wonderland jhoira ever will.
Set your pride aside and Give him some respect, I think hes earned it.
-Ralph Wigam
It's still a unique alter, and the OP doesn't own Alice or Jhoira, so I'm not quite sure what all the fuss is about. The alters look different (could they look the same? Two different artists) so I think this is much ado about nothing.
I have an armband tattoo around my right arm, of elephants linked together. After getting it done, I found out that Flea from RHCP has a similar tattoo. Doesn't make mine any less unique; in fact, it associates me with someone who is probably much cooler than I am. I'm sure the tat has a different meaning for Flea than it does for me.
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I'm tempted to infract you for flaming. I said be civil, and I mean it.
He didn't make a thread, I split this off from another thread.
Be polite, or don't post. It's that simple.
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The fact of the matter is card kitty is probably the most ripped off of all the alterers and his work is top class. Its a shame to see a thread like this dogging him like that and is blatently disrespectful. I'm just standing up for my boy CK and trying to set the record straight.
I think I am entitled to saying how I think he should be acting and handling the situation too, especially when its being handled the exact opposite of the way I think it should be handled.
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He may be implying those things, but he didn't say them. You, on the other hand, called him "base". You actually resorted to direct insults.
Be more respectful in the future.
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Wow, I want to speak up for me, and maybe a few others, when I say that I was kindof confused how this brand new thread popped up after and was an exact copy of the other page 1,XXX in the other thread. I had thought he started this thread himself. I think maybe some people thought a little strange that he was fending himself there and started a new thread.
Honestly, I was surprised as well. I don't see how anyone could assume that I created the thread when I don't have the ability to post for other people, let alone make exact duplicate posts of the thread in here for them.
That being said, there is a difference between directly calling someone something, and labeling their actions as such.
I feel that this thread has run its course. I cannot force anyone to act more professionally, yet I cannot undo what has been done. However, I do not regret bringing this up, because it absolutely needed to be said. The fact that it stirred up what it did might be enough to set an example that lessens issues like this one occurring in the future.
You are right in not regretting bringing it up tho, we all should feel the right to speak up as long as we handle it as well as you did, sir.
Welcome to having an active moderator. I did this because the discussion took over the altered art thread, and I felt it was having a negative impact on the thread. So I split everything I could off of it.
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And if you don't want an image to get copied, do something more unique than a stock photo from the movie that pops up in the very first page of GIS.
Plus the alters are quite different.
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