It's been a long time since I made a SMY CM thread, but, here goes...
Anyway, as far as I can tell from the bits and pieces of information I glean from the various people I talk to, there was some kinda debate between moderators about whether or not we should have the awards, and I guess the "nahs" won?
I was wondering is this means that individual sub-forum moderators can have individual sub-forum year awards if they want to? I am not saying any I know that DO want to, mind you, I am just asking if these needs to be a forum wide "no 2010 awards" policy or if some mods want to run their own, they can.
Plenty of forums have monthly contests for so why can't some have a yearly contest as well?
At this point it's obvious we aren't doing one for 2010.
I'm not sure what this means? It's only Jan 7th. After a week is 2010 too far in the past that we can't remember it?
I don't like this statement is because it makes it seem that the "nahs" didn't win, they just made the argument go on long enough that the "yahs" went home.
Additionally, I would like to express my disprove that MtGS is now, apparently, allowing the drama queens dictate forum policy. I know I can't win one of these yearly trophies (unless there is an 'acting peevish' award, then I would be a shoe in) but it's kinda for those that can. I know I looked forward to the thrill of these awards all year, and I'm quite upset that, apparently, they were let slide until it was "too late." (which it's not)
tl;dr
I feel that MtGS is lessened without the 2010 awards.
I know right? If we had them me and Taylor would be like the king of trophies: :trophy::trophy::trophy::trophy::trophy::trophy::trophy::trophy::trophy::trophy:
It would so make my time posting here worthwhile. Wait, I'm on a magic forum, nothing is worthwhile. But this comes close.
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Additionally, I would like to express my disprove that MtGS is now, apparently, allowing the drama queens dictate forum policy. I know I can't win one of these yearly trophies (unless there is an 'acting peevish' award, then I would be a shoe in) but it's kinda for those that can. I know I looked forward to the thrill of these awards all year, and I'm quite upset that, apparently, they were let slide until it was "too late." (which it's not)
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I feel that MtGS is lessened without the 2010 awards.
It's easy for you to say that when you're not part of the staff that has to keep an eagle eye on the awards and deal with the hassle of what all is involved both out front with the drama like last year's rewards, on top of the behind the scenes staff operation that goes into it. The fact of the matter is the derailing of the recent thread regarding the awards into nothing but trolling and last year's rewards pretty well proved that the effort needed to put up the forum awards so a few people can get what Kijin called a "15x15 pixel" icon under their username for nothing more than e-peen purposes, severely outweighs the effort required to do them to begin with.
It's easy for you to say that when you're not part of the staff that has to keep an eagle eye on the awards and deal with the hassle of what all is involved both out front with the drama like last year's rewards, on top of the behind the scenes staff operation that goes into it. The fact of the matter is the derailing of the recent thread regarding the awards into nothing but trolling and last year's rewards pretty well proved that the effort needed to put up the forum awards so a few people can get what Kijin called a "15x15 pixel" icon under their username for nothing more than e-peen purposes, severely outweighs the effort required to do them to begin with.
Yeah, totally what he said. I never actually thought of this that way.
Thank you Chaotix, for showing me the right path. Although you know there's more drama during rumor season, and we have that around 3 times a year.
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The fact of the matter is the derailing of the recent thread regarding the awards into nothing but trolling and last year's rewards
Yeah, so let's not do that to this one, please?
As for the rest of your post, yes I am not staff and it's easy for me to say what I said. Which is why I was more asking if mods that DO feel it would be worthwhile for their subforum COULD, or if it was a hard and fast throughout the website.
I was, also, asking why 1 week after 2010 is "too late." I mean, if someone (Annorax/{mikeyG}/extremeicon) wants to say "Hey, look, we feel this is too much hassle for too little pay off," while that is something that would make me very it's also something I can respect. But, "too late?"
Also,
I'm not sure what this means? It's only Jan 7th. After a week is 2010 too far in the past that we can't remember it?
I don't like this statement is because it makes it seem that the "nahs" didn't win, they just made the argument go on long enough that the "yahs" went home.
If you know how to read between the lines, the "nahs" didn't win. As the poll shows, the moderators probably had long reached a consensus not to have the awards. They probably decided it was to the best interests of the site not to have them.
They merely did not respond "yes" or "no" to whether we would have the awards because they knew that it would evoke drama among forumers (of which I believe the majority would support the awards). It's a common technique used by authorities akin to the government saying, "We're not going to cut XYZ program" until the minute they actually do so.
Additionally, I would like to express my disprove that MtGS is now, apparently, allowing the drama queens dictate forum policy.
That's probably a shortsighted way of seeing things.
They merely did not respond "yes" or "no" to whether we would have the awards because they knew that it would evoke drama among forumers (of which I believe the majority would support the awards). It's a common technique used by authorities akin to the government saying, "We're not going to cut XYZ program" until the minute they actually do so.
But they never said it. In fact, I've been asking several people in several places and I keep getting ignored or the answer "I don't know."
Apparently the awards are important to some people. There is no excuse not to be able to say "yes" or "no" to a simple question. All they are doing by pretending these threads aren't here is causing twice as many to pop up or get derailed because extremeicon will soon lock this one after giving an answer that could be taken in either way.
They probably don't want to give the proponents of the forum awards an opportunity to build up an argument or rally supporters. This is the sort of thing that could really blow up in their faces.
But they never said it. In fact, I've been asking several people in several places and I keep getting ignored or the answer "I don't know."
Apparently the awards are important to some people. There is no excuse not to be able to say "yes" or "no" to a simple question. All they are doing by pretending these threads aren't here is causing twice as many to pop up or get derailed because extremeicon will soon lock this one after giving an answer that could be taken in either way.
Straight answer = no more threads.
This is bad why?
Extremeicon said: "At this point it's obvious we aren't doing one for 2010." How is that not a straight answer?
There's nothing in there saying it's "too late" to do one for 2010. It just says they're not doing one. People seem really eager to read in all sorts of implications to such a simple statement.
If we were doing one we would have done it by now. It takes a lot of work to set up and, as I stated previously, nobody got around to it with all the turnover we've had. It requires the setting up of a temporary subforum and the creation of several threads to take submissions, the collecting of votes from those threads and then the creation of an entirely new set of threads to vote on. That's a lot of work on top of our already fairly busy schedules.
My advice would be to come to terms with the fact that we're not doing them for last year and then put a bug in our ear towards the end of this year and maybe someone will feel like setting them up at that point.
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If we were doing one we would have done it by now. It takes a lot of work to set up and, as I stated previously, nobody got around to it with all the turnover we've had. It requires the setting up of a temporary subforum and the creation of several threads to take submissions, the collecting of votes from those threads and then the creation of an entirely new set of threads to vote on. That's a lot of work on top of our already fairly busy schedules.
My advice would be to come to terms with the fact that we're not doing them for last year and then put a bug in our ear towards the end of this year and maybe someone will feel like setting them up at that point.
Then how come when staff is chosen, you all don't pick someone with the initiative to do something like this?
You know creating a subforum and threads takes 10 mins? Collecting votes from those threads, another 20? Oh man the creation of an entirely new set of threads? 10 more.
GRAND TOTAL!!!!: 40 mins.
Porn movies last longer than that. Not that I would know, of course.
If we were doing one we would have done it by now. It takes a lot of work to set up and, as I stated previously, nobody got around to it with all the turnover we've had. It requires the setting up of a temporary subforum and the creation of several threads to take submissions, the collecting of votes from those threads and then the creation of an entirely new set of threads to vote on. That's a lot of work on top of our already fairly busy schedules.
I completely understand them being a lot of work. I completely understand that you, {mikeyg}, and Annorax might all be busy this week and don't have the time(or maybe even the patience) to set them up. Real life happens...
...but what about next week? Or the week after that? Or even a month from now? Will any of you have time sometime? Could you let a mod or global mod that might have time kick start the nominations? I know I don't have the permissions to do the forum awards, but I could make the nomination threads myself if one of you want to make a sub-forum or something. I can spare an hour this weekend for something like this if it will help alleviate some of the work.
My advice would be to come to terms with the fact that we're not doing them for last year and then put a bug in our ear towards the end of this year and maybe someone will feel like setting them up at that point.
So, you'll have time next year? Do the 2010 and 2011 together?
(this is more asked to illustrate that the 2010 forum awards don't have to be done right this second. A year might be too long to wait, but a week is not.)
I would be surprised if anyone but Admins could make additional forums. I mean it is one of those things that I would think is a primary function of an administrator.
Additionally setting the forum awards sub forum up in such a way as anyone can update the forum with new threads kind of defeats the purpose of setting aside a specific sub forum in which to do these.
As far as waiting a whole 'nother year to do the forum awards for 2010. I don't think that will work. Because half the people will have forgotten what people did this year to earn their awards, or will have to dredge through old threads just to find that information, and loathe be to the art based awards (such as best signature, and avatar) where people are changing their art on a monthly or even weekly basis. In otherwords waiting a year is not advisable.
All I gather from the forum awards bit is that people want a reward for being a decent person on the internet like a dog wants a biscuit for being a "good boy". Don't any of you have more important things to worry about? The forum isn't exactly coming apart at the hinges without these frivolous pixel awards. Leave the staff alone, they have enough to concern themselves with between here, real life, and who knows what else without people demanding they put on some silly award competition.
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"If I take death into my life, acknowledge it, and face it squarely, I will free myself from the anxiety of death and the pettiness of life - and only then will I be free to become myself." - Martin Heidegger
All I gather from the forum awards bit is that people want a reward for being a decent person on the internet like a dog wants a biscuit for being a "good boy". Don't any of you have more important things to worry about? The forum isn't exactly coming apart at the hinges without these frivolous pixel awards. Leave the staff alone, they have enough to concern themselves with between here, real life, and who knows what else without people demanding they put on some silly award competition.
You realize you have 5 of the very same kind of trophy that is given out as the "reward" for the Forum Awards for a very similar sort of contest as the one that some of the Forum Awards happen to be. This sentiment coming from you, is kind of, well weird to say the least.
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You realize you have 5 of the very same kind of trophy that is given out as the "reward" for the Forum Awards for a very similar sort of contest as the one that some of the Forum Awards happen to be. This sentiment coming from you, is kind of, well weird to say the least.
Yet that doesn't really invalidate his point or make it any less true, does it?
Yet that doesn't really invalidate his point or make it any less true, does it?
no not really, I just found the point coming from someone who has already won awards like that kind of ironic at the least.
I also feel that the statement was made in a rather crude way, comparing us to baser animals (such as dogs), was a little unbecoming. However the point is, that the Forum Awards were in my opinion less than necessary for the working of the Forum as a whole. I mean do we really need the Forum Awards to make our posting habits on this site Relevant? I like to think that even though I have never won the best member award that I still am able to contribute a decent amount to this site in a good way. And that in my time here I have learned a great many lessons about good posting behavior over time.
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SMYCM thread, but, here goes...Anyway, as far as I can tell from the bits and pieces of information I glean from the various people I talk to, there was some kinda debate between moderators about whether or not we should have the awards, and I guess the "nahs" won?
I was wondering is this means that individual sub-forum moderators can have individual sub-forum year awards if they want to? I am not saying any I know that DO want to, mind you, I am just asking if these needs to be a forum wide "no 2010 awards" policy or if some mods want to run their own, they can.
Plenty of forums have monthly contests for so why can't some have a yearly contest as well?
Also,
I'm not sure what this means? It's only Jan 7th. After a week is 2010 too far in the past that we can't remember it?
I don't like this statement is because it makes it seem that the "nahs" didn't win, they just made the argument go on long enough that the "yahs" went home.
Additionally, I would like to express my disprove that MtGS is now, apparently, allowing the drama queens dictate forum policy. I know I can't win one of these yearly trophies (unless there is an 'acting peevish' award, then I would be a shoe in) but it's kinda for those that can. I know I looked forward to the thrill of these awards all year, and I'm quite upset that, apparently, they were let slide until it was "too late." (which it's not)
tl;dr
I feel that MtGS is lessened without the 2010 awards.
It's fun. Just voting is fun. It's funny to see your name.
We should have. Anyone who says that the awards are rigged should go home. I don't care. I just want to see the winners or stuff like that.
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They can't, CI is their home.
I know right? If we had them
me andTaylor would be like the king of trophies: :trophy::trophy::trophy::trophy::trophy::trophy::trophy::trophy::trophy::trophy:It would so make my time posting here worthwhile. Wait, I'm on a magic forum, nothing is worthwhile. But this comes close.
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It's easy for you to say that when you're not part of the staff that has to keep an eagle eye on the awards and deal with the hassle of what all is involved both out front with the drama like last year's rewards, on top of the behind the scenes staff operation that goes into it. The fact of the matter is the derailing of the recent thread regarding the awards into nothing but trolling and last year's rewards pretty well proved that the effort needed to put up the forum awards so a few people can get what Kijin called a "15x15 pixel" icon under their username for nothing more than e-peen purposes, severely outweighs the effort required to do them to begin with.
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Yeah, totally what he said. I never actually thought of this that way.
Thank you Chaotix, for showing me the right path. Although you know there's more drama during rumor season, and we have that around 3 times a year.
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Yeah, so let's not do that to this one, please?
As for the rest of your post, yes I am not staff and it's easy for me to say what I said. Which is why I was more asking if mods that DO feel it would be worthwhile for their subforum COULD, or if it was a hard and fast throughout the website.
I was, also, asking why 1 week after 2010 is "too late." I mean, if someone (Annorax/{mikeyG}/extremeicon) wants to say "Hey, look, we feel this is too much hassle for too little pay off," while that is something that would make me very it's also something I can respect. But, "too late?"
They merely did not respond "yes" or "no" to whether we would have the awards because they knew that it would evoke drama among forumers (of which I believe the majority would support the awards). It's a common technique used by authorities akin to the government saying, "We're not going to cut XYZ program" until the minute they actually do so.
That's probably a shortsighted way of seeing things.
But they never said it. In fact, I've been asking several people in several places and I keep getting ignored or the answer "I don't know."
Apparently the awards are important to some people. There is no excuse not to be able to say "yes" or "no" to a simple question. All they are doing by pretending these threads aren't here is causing twice as many to pop up or get derailed because extremeicon will soon lock this one after giving an answer that could be taken in either way.
Straight answer = no more threads.
This is bad why?
Extremeicon said: "At this point it's obvious we aren't doing one for 2010." How is that not a straight answer?
There's nothing in there saying it's "too late" to do one for 2010. It just says they're not doing one. People seem really eager to read in all sorts of implications to such a simple statement.
Note that it is January 7th.
My advice would be to come to terms with the fact that we're not doing them for last year and then put a bug in our ear towards the end of this year and maybe someone will feel like setting them up at that point.
Then how come when staff is chosen, you all don't pick someone with the initiative to do something like this?
You know creating a subforum and threads takes 10 mins? Collecting votes from those threads, another 20? Oh man the creation of an entirely new set of threads? 10 more.
GRAND TOTAL!!!!: 40 mins.
Porn movies last longer than that. Not that I would know, of course.
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I know you don't want to believe what I'm saying but just accept it till the end of this year.
LOL
...but what about next week? Or the week after that? Or even a month from now? Will any of you have time sometime? Could you let a mod or global mod that might have time kick start the nominations? I know I don't have the permissions to do the forum awards, but I could make the nomination threads myself if one of you want to make a sub-forum or something. I can spare an hour this weekend for something like this if it will help alleviate some of the work. So, you'll have time next year? Do the 2010 and 2011 together?
(this is more asked to illustrate that the 2010 forum awards don't have to be done right this second. A year might be too long to wait, but a week is not.)
Additionally setting the forum awards sub forum up in such a way as anyone can update the forum with new threads kind of defeats the purpose of setting aside a specific sub forum in which to do these.
As far as waiting a whole 'nother year to do the forum awards for 2010. I don't think that will work. Because half the people will have forgotten what people did this year to earn their awards, or will have to dredge through old threads just to find that information, and loathe be to the art based awards (such as best signature, and avatar) where people are changing their art on a monthly or even weekly basis. In otherwords waiting a year is not advisable.
You realize you have 5 of the very same kind of trophy that is given out as the "reward" for the Forum Awards for a very similar sort of contest as the one that some of the Forum Awards happen to be. This sentiment coming from you, is kind of, well weird to say the least.
Yet that doesn't really invalidate his point or make it any less true, does it?
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no not really, I just found the point coming from someone who has already won awards like that kind of ironic at the least.
I also feel that the statement was made in a rather crude way, comparing us to baser animals (such as dogs), was a little unbecoming. However the point is, that the Forum Awards were in my opinion less than necessary for the working of the Forum as a whole. I mean do we really need the Forum Awards to make our posting habits on this site Relevant? I like to think that even though I have never won the best member award that I still am able to contribute a decent amount to this site in a good way. And that in my time here I have learned a great many lessons about good posting behavior over time.
From the entire set of Moderators you have everybody has real life issues and can't make some threads?
I know you don't have time but I feel it's a waste. I actually liked the forum awards.
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