"I care about being on MTGS, therefore, I should not be on MTGS."
"I care about getting good grades in college, therefore, I should not get good grades in college."
"I care about my family, therefore, I should not have a family."
All this talk of the gutter makes me long for it. Oh, why must you tempt my heart with things it can never have again?
Please, let us move on to other things. Like Manasjap Mania, and its impact on Salvation as a whole.
Yes, back on topic in any case, Manasjap Mania is the campaign attempt by people in the gutter to get Manasjap to win the Rookie of the Year award last year. They had great success, despite (what I feel) better candidates worthy of the title.
"I care about being on MTGS, therefore, I should not be on MTGS."
"I care about getting good grades in college, therefore, I should not get good grades in college."
"I care about my family, therefore, I should not have a family."
As you see, not sound logic.
The problem is you're calling The Gutter the equivalent of MTGS, good grades in college, and a family. These things are not the same, and you cannot apply the same principles to them. So trying to apply your random examples is just silly.
Yes, back on topic in any case, Manasjap Mania is the campaign attempt by people in the gutter to get Manasjap to win the Rookie of the Year award last year. They had great success, despite (what I feel) better candidates worthy of the title.
No offense, just my opinion.
Actually, from what I've picked up, Manasjap Mania is the belief that good posting should be encouraged and rewarded, as opposed to excessive, unnecessary, and spammy posting that seems to happen far too often on this site.
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A card game about Presidents. Stabbing each other. With knives.
Yes, back on topic in any case, Manasjap Mania is the campaign attempt by people in the gutter to get Manasjap to win the Rookie of the Year award last year.
Maybe to start, but then why has it continued?
It has evolved into something else, something greater. But, we want to know, what IS that something?
The problem is you're calling The Gutter the equivalent of MTGS, good grades in college, and a family. These things are not the same, and you cannot apply the same principles to them. So trying to apply your random examples is just silly.
You're probably right about college/family, but not MTGS. The key thing is the amount to which I desire each however, not the value of each compared to one another.
For instance, hypothetically, one hears about the gutter on "some forum" called MTGS. They don't know what the broader purpose of this forum is, but they've heard about the gutter, then to them, The Gutter > MTGS on a whole. Hence, my reasoning could be applied in that situation.
It has evolved into something else, something greater. But, we want to know, what IS that something?
Well if what I thought it was is correct, wouldn't that make understanding what it has become a part of what is causing people not to get into the gutter?
In any case, I tend to agree that the idea appears to warrant people to be better posters, but this is accomplished in more sarcastic fashion. For instance, adding "Hope this helps!" and a smiley face to your post implies your post is helpful.
Ah, but, for the Gutter, it is. The more you obsess over the Gutter, the more you long for its sweet embrace, the less change you have of getting it.
For example, no one desires the Gutter more than I. Thus, anyone else has a better chance of obtaining it when compared to I.
Maybe to start, but then why has it continued?
It has evolved into something else, something greater. But, we want to know, what IS that something?
By that logic, as I am one of the people who does not care about joining the clutter whatsoever, I am more likely to become one?
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you see, the requirement we are currently discussing, is -yes- a necessary, yet nonexclusive clause for joining any of these rumored secret subforums. Other conditions have to be fulfilled though. Just to cite a few out of my head.
- Not being a dramaqueen.
- Being easygoing and not having any bizarre ongoing grudges/death wish/revenges on unsuspecting members/staff of the site.
- Being members whose valuable contributions to the site far outweigh any ponctual non-valuable contributions.
- Posting intelligently and comprehensively (goes along with the previous point).
- etc... etc...
Also, do take notice that these requirements merely reflect my own personal views on the topic at hand, and may or may not be endorsed by the administration of said rumored subforum
Sounds like I fulfill all of those requirements, so it would appear that the desire to enter the subforum greatly affects one's chances to enter it.
What I meant was that the value placed on entering said subforum as compared to the things I posted differs from person to person. And as such, if the most desired thing is NOT that subforum, but the desire to enter it is equivalent to the desire of another person who's top priority IS to enter the subforum, it seems to follow that that logic (about increasing desire to enter the subforum decreases how much you deserve to actually be accepted into it) does not apply.
Manasjap mania predates the forum awards - manasjap joined the gutter shortly after joining mtgs, and his actions in the gutter greatly impressed us. You can't see the gutter, and as such you can't actually see it, but it is the truth.
Then, along came the forum awards. The gutter has a long history of active participation in the awards, and there was one candidate we felt was the obvious choice for rookie of the year, so we pushed him. He won.
Since then, manasjap mania has not abated. He continues to participate in the gutter, and we continue to enjoy it. Like, of all the accusations that have been and can be leveled at the gutter, in this instance we've done nothing dishonest at all.
And, as an aside, your membership into the gutter is decided not by anyone posting in this thread, but by annorax, mikeyg and urzased's - mostly mikeyg, really. Nobody here can actually know how they make up their respective minds, but I've no doubt that there are certain steps that could be taken to ensure that a membership application succeeds. I'm not going to tell you what those steps are, because displaying the ability to figure it out for yourself is one of the steps.
The logic about 'the more you want it, the less you deserve it' is disengenous - However, there is a strong correllation between people who make a lot of noise about getting into the gutter and people who are disruptive once in the gutter - and need to be removed.
I mean, personally, I just let everyone in unless they were underage or a previously gutterbanned member, and then I banned them if the need arose.
Sounds like I fulfill all of those requirements, so it would appear that the desire to enter the subforum greatly affects one's chances to enter it.
Ah, but you're both still thinking about it wrong.
Imagine a beautiful woman who's face is carved out of the most exquisite marble, as is her heart. Men ask her what they can do to win her. They do what they think she needs, and all she asks of them. They give her gifts and loudly claim they alone are worthy of her love. But, the those men receive only her contempt. Worse still are the men that don't give up after her scorn is made known and stalk her trying desperately to prove their devotion. Those man have no chance of winning her heart, and their obsession only drives her further from them.
However, a man, we'll call him "Manasjap" for this example, can win her heart. He watches the other men fail. He learns what the woman TRULY wants, not what she SAYS she wants. When Manasjap approaches this woman, it's not doey eyed asking her to love him or by puffing his chest out proclaiming his worth, but with confidence and wisdom. He alone can win her heart, for he alone knows you must melt it first.
Manasjap need not ASK her what she wants, for he already KNOWS what she wants. He need not proclaim his worth, for he can SHOW her his worth.
Only by understanding this can you understand the Gutter. But, that understanding will get you nowhere without the wisdom and experience to back that understanding up.
Ah, but you're both still thinking about it wrong.
Imagine a beautiful woman who's face is carved out of the most exquisite marble, as is her heart. Men ask her what they can do to win her. They do what they think she needs, and all she asks of them. They give her gifts and loudly claim they alone are worthy of her love. But, the those men receive only her contempt. Worse still are the men that don't give up after her scorn is made known and stalk her trying desperately to prove their devotion. Those man have no chance of winning her heart, and their obsession only drives her further from them.
However, a man, we'll call him "Manasjap" for this example, can win her heart. He watches the other men fail. He learns what the woman TRULY wants, not what she SAYS she wants. When Manasjap approaches this woman, it's not doey eyed asking her to love him or by puffing his chest out proclaiming his worth, but with confidence and wisdom. He alone can win her heart, for he alone knows you must melt it first.
Manasjap need not ASK her what she wants, for he already KNOWS what she wants. He need not proclaim his worth, for he can SHOW her his worth.
Only by understanding this can you understand the Gutter. But, that understanding will get you nowhere without the wisdom and experience to back that understanding up.
[zen moment][/zen moment]
I understand now, possibly more than can be imagined.
Manasjap need not ASK her what she wants, for he already KNOWS what she wants. He need not proclaim his worth, for he can SHOW her his worth.
Only by understanding this can you understand the Gutter. But, that understanding will get you nowhere without the wisdom and experience to back that understanding up.
Manasjap Mania took my baby and hid my tv remote. Now my tv is stuck on the parenting channel and the irony is killing me.
"I care about being on MTGS, therefore, I should not be on MTGS."
"I care about getting good grades in college, therefore, I should not get good grades in college."
"I care about my family, therefore, I should not have a family."
As you see, not sound logic.
Yes, back on topic in any case, Manasjap Mania is the campaign attempt by people in the gutter to get Manasjap to win the Rookie of the Year award last year. They had great success, despite (what I feel) better candidates worthy of the title.
No offense, just my opinion.
The problem is you're calling The Gutter the equivalent of MTGS, good grades in college, and a family. These things are not the same, and you cannot apply the same principles to them. So trying to apply your random examples is just silly.
Actually, from what I've picked up, Manasjap Mania is the belief that good posting should be encouraged and rewarded, as opposed to excessive, unnecessary, and spammy posting that seems to happen far too often on this site.
A card game about Presidents. Stabbing each other. With knives.
For example, no one desires the Gutter more than I. Thus, anyone else has a better chance of obtaining it when compared to I.
Maybe to start, but then why has it continued?
It has evolved into something else, something greater. But, we want to know, what IS that something?
You're probably right about college/family, but not MTGS. The key thing is the amount to which I desire each however, not the value of each compared to one another.
For instance, hypothetically, one hears about the gutter on "some forum" called MTGS. They don't know what the broader purpose of this forum is, but they've heard about the gutter, then to them, The Gutter > MTGS on a whole. Hence, my reasoning could be applied in that situation.
Well if what I thought it was is correct, wouldn't that make understanding what it has become a part of what is causing people not to get into the gutter?
In any case, I tend to agree that the idea appears to warrant people to be better posters, but this is accomplished in more sarcastic fashion. For instance, adding "Hope this helps!" and a smiley face to your post implies your post is helpful.
By that logic, as I am one of the people who does not care about joining the clutter whatsoever, I am more likely to become one?
Sounds like I fulfill all of those requirements, so it would appear that the desire to enter the subforum greatly affects one's chances to enter it.
What I meant was that the value placed on entering said subforum as compared to the things I posted differs from person to person. And as such, if the most desired thing is NOT that subforum, but the desire to enter it is equivalent to the desire of another person who's top priority IS to enter the subforum, it seems to follow that that logic (about increasing desire to enter the subforum decreases how much you deserve to actually be accepted into it) does not apply.
Then, along came the forum awards. The gutter has a long history of active participation in the awards, and there was one candidate we felt was the obvious choice for rookie of the year, so we pushed him. He won.
Since then, manasjap mania has not abated. He continues to participate in the gutter, and we continue to enjoy it. Like, of all the accusations that have been and can be leveled at the gutter, in this instance we've done nothing dishonest at all.
And, as an aside, your membership into the gutter is decided not by anyone posting in this thread, but by annorax, mikeyg and urzased's - mostly mikeyg, really. Nobody here can actually know how they make up their respective minds, but I've no doubt that there are certain steps that could be taken to ensure that a membership application succeeds. I'm not going to tell you what those steps are, because displaying the ability to figure it out for yourself is one of the steps.
The logic about 'the more you want it, the less you deserve it' is disengenous - However, there is a strong correllation between people who make a lot of noise about getting into the gutter and people who are disruptive once in the gutter - and need to be removed.
I mean, personally, I just let everyone in unless they were underage or a previously gutterbanned member, and then I banned them if the need arose.
Imagine a beautiful woman who's face is carved out of the most exquisite marble, as is her heart. Men ask her what they can do to win her. They do what they think she needs, and all she asks of them. They give her gifts and loudly claim they alone are worthy of her love. But, the those men receive only her contempt. Worse still are the men that don't give up after her scorn is made known and stalk her trying desperately to prove their devotion. Those man have no chance of winning her heart, and their obsession only drives her further from them.
However, a man, we'll call him "Manasjap" for this example, can win her heart. He watches the other men fail. He learns what the woman TRULY wants, not what she SAYS she wants. When Manasjap approaches this woman, it's not doey eyed asking her to love him or by puffing his chest out proclaiming his worth, but with confidence and wisdom. He alone can win her heart, for he alone knows you must melt it first.
Manasjap need not ASK her what she wants, for he already KNOWS what she wants. He need not proclaim his worth, for he can SHOW her his worth.
Only by understanding this can you understand the Gutter. But, that understanding will get you nowhere without the wisdom and experience to back that understanding up.
[zen moment][/zen moment]
I understand now, possibly more than can be imagined.
I call it "Soron's Parable".