It's pretty strong if you've got a strong toke generator to go with it (I run it in Ghave, personally). The biggest problem is that the sacrifice is mandatory, so you can't just refuse to sac a creature and let the Monument go away if someone gets rid of your token generator.
I would rather run Akroma's Memorial since it gives protection to 2 colors, flying, first strike, vigilance, and haste. I think that's better than a +1/+1 and indestructibility. Plus you don't have to sac a token.
Next up, I recently tested Beastmaster Ascension and it is AMAZING and I would rather run that over Eldrazi Monument. If you have enough tokens that you are willing to sac one, you have enough tokens to trigger the Ascension. Turning 1/1s into 6/6s is game ending.
Then, if you want a third copy of a mass pump then I guess you can run the Monument. However, I would try Akroma's Memorial and Beastmaster Ascension first as they're my favorite.
It's an incredible card and almost an auto include for aggro decks that use more than one fatty to win. It's cheap to put down and shuts down many wraths. I've never really felt the sacrifice is a drawback and that it tends to ensure victory either the turn it comes down or the turn after.
I run it in my Teysa deck, and it's pretty useful. The vast majority of my tokens are 1/1s or 2/2s without flying, so, particularly in the absence of Green's big pumps (Overrun, Beastmaster etc), it gives a very nice boost offensively, while the indestructible is always good. I wouldn't say it's a "I have tokens therefore I'll always put it in" type card, but it's good for some decks. Also, it does funny things with Tombstone Stairwell.
I've had some success with Eldrazi Monument in Kemba, Kha Regent, but agree with the previous poster that Akroma's Memorial is generally better (especially now that its been reprinted and is cheaper). That said, redundancy is important and certain colors (mono-white) don't have tons of ways to grant all the stuff that the monument does.
I would rather run Akroma's Memorial since it gives protection to 2 colors, flying, first strike, vigilance, and haste. I think that's better than a +1/+1 and indestructibility.
For the record, Eldrazi Monument also grants flying.
Personally, I've had great success with Monument, even in non-token decks.
I've had some success with Eldrazi Monument in Kemba, Kha Regent, but agree with the previous poster that Akroma's Memorial is generally better (especially now that its been reprinted and is cheaper). That said, redundancy is important and certain colors (mono-white) don't have tons of ways to grant all the stuff that the monument does.
I've had much better results with True Conviction than Eldrazi Monument. Double strike and the swords of X & Y are amazing together.
The double strike is less relevant in my meta. If I'm connecting with a sword, generally I'm already winning. The life gain is also irrelevant in my meta, as the two win cons are infinite blank or board lockdown/destruction. I am also by far the most answer heavy deck pilot in my meta, so Monument tends to work out for me.
I've been playing it with Mikaeus, the Lunarch for the past while and recently decided it's not worth the 5 CMC slot in the deck, it's more suited towards Ghave and the like which generate a lot more creatures, much quicker then Mikaeus.
This isn't to say that Eldrazi Monument is a weak card. It's not. I just think that in many situations some of the above cards are better choices. The Monument is in competition with all of the above, all the good token generators, and all the other good wincons.
TBH, there are so many better choices out there. But if you want to use it, it might go best with Lin Sivvi, where some of those choices aren't there, and you can always feed it.
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I have it in my Wort deck, which has a lot of tokens and a lot of anthems - without White or Green, you have to make do sometimes. It's not bad, but Coat of Arms and Shared Animosity are leagues better in terms of power and the various Goblin lords have it beat in terms of cost. It requires a specific type of deck to really get a lot of mileage out of it - it doesn't belong in your typical value machine.
I love it in Wort, Boggart Auntie because it can let me rebuy some of my ETB guys (siege-gang commander). Also allows me to overextend slightly (more so than normal). I've also had the anthem effect just end games in conjunction with the flying. I agree it is situational though. Try it and see if you like it is probably the best advice I can give.
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I put Eldrazi Monument in almost every deck where I produce "enough" tokens or I use the GY for more creatures.
In my Karador Deck I'm really happy about the sac outlet! Especially ETB-creatures like Acidic Slime & Co.
It depends on your Deck. Do you have cards in your Saffi Deck like:
I put Eldrazi Monument in almost every deck where I produce "enough" tokens or I use the GY for more creatures.
In my Karador Deck I'm really happy about the sac outlet! Especially ETB-creatures like Acidic Slime & Co.
It depends on your Deck. Do you have cards in your Saffi Deck like:
actually I don't. My saffi deck capitalizes on etb triggers. Part of the reason I was thinking of including it was because I could get an extra etb trigger with saffi. I had already mostly made up my mind when I made this thread. I just wanted to see if it was any good. I think I'll just go with beastmaster ascension since it just wins.
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Next up, I recently tested Beastmaster Ascension and it is AMAZING and I would rather run that over Eldrazi Monument. If you have enough tokens that you are willing to sac one, you have enough tokens to trigger the Ascension. Turning 1/1s into 6/6s is game ending.
Then, if you want a third copy of a mass pump then I guess you can run the Monument. However, I would try Akroma's Memorial and Beastmaster Ascension first as they're my favorite.
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With Hallowed Burial, Evacuation, and Black Sun's Zenith (and their kin) running around, the monument's sac ability can be a liability.
I've had much better results with True Conviction than Eldrazi Monument. Double strike and the swords of X & Y are amazing together.
For the record, Eldrazi Monument also grants flying.
Personally, I've had great success with Monument, even in non-token decks.
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The double strike is less relevant in my meta. If I'm connecting with a sword, generally I'm already winning. The life gain is also irrelevant in my meta, as the two win cons are infinite blank or board lockdown/destruction. I am also by far the most answer heavy deck pilot in my meta, so Monument tends to work out for me.
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I don't think it goes in many decks, but it can certainly shine some.
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So from this list, I would almost always rather have these:
In the Web of War
Shared Animosity
Beastmaster Ascension
Collective Blessing
Marshal's Anthem
Cathars' Crusade
Parallel Lives
Doubling Season
Hero of Bladehold
True Conviction
Rage Reflection
Wound Reflection
Moonveil Dragon
Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
Mirror Entity
Overwhelming Stampede
Triumph of the Hordes
Tears of Rage
Savage Beating
Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
Homura's Essence
Creakwood Liege
Murkfiend Liege
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Shared Animosity
Beastmaster Ascension
Collective Blessing
Cathars' Crusade
Moonveil Dragon
Mirror Entity
Overwhelming Stampede
Triumph of the Hordes
Tears of Rage
Savage Beating
Both Pumps and Creates Tokens
Hero of Bladehold
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Creakwood Liege
Combo-Tastic
Parallel Lives
Doubling Season
Good Even Without Tokens
Marshal's Anthem
Rage Reflection
Wound Reflection
Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
Homura's Essence
Murkfiend Liege
This isn't to say that Eldrazi Monument is a weak card. It's not. I just think that in many situations some of the above cards are better choices. The Monument is in competition with all of the above, all the good token generators, and all the other good wincons.
I think it would be especially good in a deck with lots of artifacts, especially artifacts that produce tokens, such as Myr Turbine, Genesis Chamber, Orochi Hatchery, Acorn Catapult, Druidic Satchel, Sword of Body and Mind, and Trading Post. Enchantments such as Bitterblossom, Awakening Zone, and Goblin Assault would also be good at eating up their answers. That way, you can play it after everyone has exhausted their artifact removal, and win the game on the back of an evasive, indestructible army unhindered.
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In my Karador Deck I'm really happy about the sac outlet! Especially ETB-creatures like Acidic Slime & Co.
It depends on your Deck. Do you have cards in your Saffi Deck like:
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actually I don't. My saffi deck capitalizes on etb triggers. Part of the reason I was thinking of including it was because I could get an extra etb trigger with saffi. I had already mostly made up my mind when I made this thread. I just wanted to see if it was any good. I think I'll just go with beastmaster ascension since it just wins.
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