It is also amazing in a Tooth and Nail casting. I usually go for Glen Elandra and Avenger of Zendikar. Glen covers my army and I just punch in for damage while she tells people not to wrath me.
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It is also amazing in a Tooth and Nail casting. I usually go for Glen Elandra and Avenger of Zendikar. Glen covers my army and I just punch in for damage while she tells people not to wrath me.
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For jokes, play one with Melira, Sylvok Outcast and you have all the negates your blue mana can pay for.
As for Mystic Snake, put one on a Mimic Vat and get back to us.
Almost any effect is better on a creature than it is on a spell because creatures are so much easier to abuse and, occasionally, swing for the win.
As others have already said, the creatures can be easily reused, especially in Commander where creature recursion is common.
Negate and other instants have fewer options for recursion.
Exactly - not to mention all sorts of games with cloudstone curio and equilibrium. The other day I basically locked down a table with my snakes tribal EDH because the table decided to let me resolve cloudstone curio and asceticism...so I'm basically sitting there swapping patagia viper for mystic snake whenever someone decides to stop me (yes, edric snakes tribal is fun).
You can also abuse Glen Elendra if you can put +1/+1 counters on creatures (e.g. Experiment Kraj, Forgotten Ancient) or you're able to abuse the graft mechanic and proliferate the grafters.
My personal favorite use for the Archmage is cloning it with Phyrexian Metamorph. Phantasmal Image (M12) is also really good with the Archmage, but a bit more fragile.
Tooth & Nail ---> Avenger of Zendikar + Glen Elandra Archmage
Play a land (or two if I have Oracle of Mul Daya out).
All my opponents have to deal with Avenger now, or they'll die. And they have to have more than 2 board wipes/answers for it, because of the 2 negates I get with GEA.
Prett-ay, prett-ay, prett-ay good. This is just one example.
Tooth & Nail ---> Avenger of Zendikar + Glen Elandra Archmage
Play a land (or two if I have Oracle of Mul Daya out).
All my opponents have to deal with Avenger now, or they'll die. And they have to have more than 2 board wipes/answers for it, because of the 2 negates I get with GEA.
Prett-ay, prett-ay, prett-ay good. This is just one example.
My answer would just be ask everyone at board if they mind starting the game over, then dropping Obliterate. Other than that it's pretty much game over if they can't answer the Archmage.
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I feel the need to add, a negate (or any other counterspell) can be countered with any other counterspell. To counter Glen Elendra Archmage 's counter, they have to have a Stifle effect.
My answer would just be ask everyone at board if they mind starting the game over, then dropping Obliterate. Other than that it's pretty much game over if they can't answer the Archmage.
At that point, why not just start a new game? If there isn't going to be anyone with a dominant board position after obliterate, it's just obnoxious.
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At that point, why not just start a new game? If there isn't going to be anyone with a dominant board position after obliterate, it's just obnoxious.
Hence the asking first. If the general opinion is it's better to start over than scoop Obliterate hits the board. If general opinion is move on to he next game then next game it is.
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Hence the asking first. If the general opinion is it's better to start over than scoop Obliterate hits the board. If general opinion is move on to he next game then next game it is.
My point was more that obliterate isn't really starting over. If the general opinion is to start over, why not just do that rather than playing obliterate?
In either case, this is more than a little off-topic, so I'm just going to let it die here.
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Glen picks up a -1/-1 counter from persist. Sage of Fables only removes +1/+1 counters.
Quillspike is the guy you need to make your opponent's life miserable.
Sage of Fables puts a +1+1 counter on wizards when they ETB.
The +1+1 and -1-1 counters cancel each other out.
Hence you can reuse her over and over and over.
That said, glen is simply amazing, I put her in every blue deck with less than 3 colors that I make.
Read sage of fables again, it makes all other wizards etb with an additional +1/+1 counter on it, glen elandra archmage is a wizard so when she etb with her persist ability the +1/+1 counter from SoF negates the -1/-1 counter from persist.
Same goes for mystic snake
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For jokes, play one with Melira, Sylvok Outcast and you have all the negates your blue mana can pay for.
As for Mystic Snake, put one on a Mimic Vat and get back to us.
Almost any effect is better on a creature than it is on a spell because creatures are so much easier to abuse and, occasionally, swing for the win.
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Exactly - not to mention all sorts of games with cloudstone curio and equilibrium. The other day I basically locked down a table with my snakes tribal EDH because the table decided to let me resolve cloudstone curio and asceticism...so I'm basically sitting there swapping patagia viper for mystic snake whenever someone decides to stop me (yes, edric snakes tribal is fun).
You can also abuse Glen Elendra if you can put +1/+1 counters on creatures (e.g. Experiment Kraj, Forgotten Ancient) or you're able to abuse the graft mechanic and proliferate the grafters.
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Play a land (or two if I have Oracle of Mul Daya out).
All my opponents have to deal with Avenger now, or they'll die. And they have to have more than 2 board wipes/answers for it, because of the 2 negates I get with GEA.
Prett-ay, prett-ay, prett-ay good. This is just one example.
My answer would just be ask everyone at board if they mind starting the game over, then dropping Obliterate. Other than that it's pretty much game over if they can't answer the Archmage.
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At that point, why not just start a new game? If there isn't going to be anyone with a dominant board position after obliterate, it's just obnoxious.
Hence the asking first. If the general opinion is it's better to start over than scoop Obliterate hits the board. If general opinion is move on to he next game then next game it is.
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My point was more that obliterate isn't really starting over. If the general opinion is to start over, why not just do that rather than playing obliterate?
In either case, this is more than a little off-topic, so I'm just going to let it die here.
How so?
Glen picks up a -1/-1 counter from persist. Sage of Fables only removes +1/+1 counters.
Quillspike is the guy you need to make your opponent's life miserable.
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When GE Archmage persists she comes in with both a -1/-1 and +1/+1 counter and they erase each other. So, she has no counters when she comes back.
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Sage of Fables puts a +1+1 counter on wizards when they ETB.
The +1+1 and -1-1 counters cancel each other out.
Hence you can reuse her over and over and over.
That said, glen is simply amazing, I put her in every blue deck with less than 3 colors that I make.
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Makes for a nice cheap, repeatable negate.
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You're absolutely correct. I missed that.
Sweet soft lock.
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