Riffle/Bridge only. I post on the mana shuffling thing before and believe it's ok between rounds and to mana shuffle the cards that you have played that game before placing them back into your library.
I believe Pile shuffling is cheating, period. If your to worked about your cards that your too afraid to shuffle them, stop playing the game and become a collector.
I have extremely mixed feelings on the whole deal where your cut the deck and cram them into each other. (whatever thats called?) On one hand I feel again that if your that worried about cards collect them don't play with them. On the other hand it's ok bepending on the type of sleeves.
That brings me to another point that I brought up last night why do people play with smooth finished card sleeve, and more over why are they legal? They make cards clump together so bad, after they have been used for a while, that it is hard to break them up. Even if you riffle shuffle them generally the cards that are stuck together stay that way, and the freqeuncy increases when you cram them in to each other.
I call for the banning of non matte finished sleeve, because before a match all someone has to do is add a little moisture to the back/front of a sleeve (could just be hand sweet) and they can get clumps to stick the way they want them to.
Riffle/Bridge only. I post on the mana shuffling thing before and believe it's ok between rounds and to mana shuffle the cards that you have played that game before placing them back into your library.
I believe Pile shuffling is cheating, period. If your to worked about your cards that your too afraid to shuffle them, stop playing the game and become a collector.
I have extremely mixed feelings on the whole deal where your cut the deck and cram them into each other. (whatever thats called?) On one hand I feel again that if your that worried about cards collect them don't play with them. On the other hand it's ok bepending on the type of sleeves.
That brings me to another point that I brought up last night why do people play with smooth finished card sleeve, and more over why are they legal? They make cards clump together so bad, after they have been used for a while, that it is hard to break them up. Even if you riffle shuffle them generally the cards that are stuck together stay that way, and the freqeuncy increases when you cram them in to each other.
I call for the banning of non matte finished sleeve, because before a match all someone has to do is add a little moisture to the back/front of a sleeve (could just be hand sweet) and they can get clumps to stick the way they want them to.
Now that's just an unfair advantage.
Doesn't Riffle like bend the cards, isn't the sideriffle much better? EDIT: side riffle is that mash together thing you said btw
Yes riffle shuffling bends cards but once again we are players not collector who cares? Not me, and if I am playing in tournys the prize pay out will more then cover the cards (which usually tank after they rotate anyway).
Side Shuffling (don't know why I couldn't come up with that) thank you.
Basically, shuffling can be broken down like this:
1: Bridge shuffle - This shuffling method is best described as cutting a deck in half, and then layering the cards one after another into a complete pile. This method, if done perfectly each time (every card always interleaves with the opposite card), then the randomness of the shuffle is actually quite small. If you took a deck, ordered the cards specifically and then shuffled perfectly, you can actually predict with close to 100% accuracy the next card via statistical equation. However, that being said, no one shuffles perfectly. Cards clump, fly out, or otherwise ruin this and if a sufficient number of bridge shuffles are performed, then a reasonable amount of randomization can be assumed.
2: Side shuffle, or overhand shuffle - This shuffle is where you split the deck and then reinsert the cards in a haphazard manner via sliding them into the side of the deck. Immediately the randomness of the shuffle is apparent: As long as you split the deck in various areas and then slide them in with little guidance, the shuffle is actually quite random. However, so is its spread over the deck, allowing for clumps of several unshuffled cards, and if not carefully monitored, is quite easy to keep certain cards in a general area over the course of the deck (IE: stacking the deck).
3: Rifle shuffle, or mana shuffle, or mana weave shuffle, or alpha shuffle, or shotgun shuffle: This is best described as laying a card on a table, then laying the next card on the table adjacent to the first, and then the next adjacent to the third, and so on until you form several piles. This shuffle isn't a shuffle. It's sorting. It's purpose is to break up cards that you had ordered into playsets evenly among your deck, however it does exactly that in a very predictable way. A rather simple equation can be used to predict the next card since the cards are split up along a definite set of piles. There should be no illusion of randomness with this shuffle unless as you lay the cards out you randomly choose the piles. However, a measure of control can be observed as the supposed sets of cards are now broken in a rather even manner.
The rule in Magic is that you should be able to shuffle your deck without assistance (rule about it's size) and that you must sufficiently be unaware of your deck's card order (fairness rule). That being said, no 'style' of shuffle is outright banned, however a judge may rule that your method isn't random enough.
Your best bet is to just shuffle. It really doesn't matter the style as long as you keep doing it. Shuffling over and over and over again, permitting mistakes and promoting randomization, is the only real goal. The quickest method to this path is by alternating a standard bridge with an overhand shuffle. The mana shuffle should be avoided if it's the only shuffle used, and if it's not it's still mostly ineffectual as a method since if the cards are really sufficiently randomized 'splitting up the chunks of cards' would be a completely random occurrence.
With all that being said, my preferred method is to overhand shuffle, alot, without looking, as I'm talking or otherwise being distracted. Why? Because it's truly random, it's impossible to equate a prediction of the cards, and it protects my card sleeves from sliding into each other during a shuffle. I then will cut my own deck several times, and then shuffle some more before giving the deck to my opponent to cut.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
Thanks for the sig Megabug!
EDH Decks
I believe Pile shuffling is cheating, period. If your to worked about your cards that your too afraid to shuffle them, stop playing the game and become a collector.
I have extremely mixed feelings on the whole deal where your cut the deck and cram them into each other. (whatever thats called?) On one hand I feel again that if your that worried about cards collect them don't play with them. On the other hand it's ok bepending on the type of sleeves.
That brings me to another point that I brought up last night why do people play with smooth finished card sleeve, and more over why are they legal? They make cards clump together so bad, after they have been used for a while, that it is hard to break them up. Even if you riffle shuffle them generally the cards that are stuck together stay that way, and the freqeuncy increases when you cram them in to each other.
I call for the banning of non matte finished sleeve, because before a match all someone has to do is add a little moisture to the back/front of a sleeve (could just be hand sweet) and they can get clumps to stick the way they want them to.
Now that's just an unfair advantage.
Trade Thread
Doesn't Riffle like bend the cards, isn't the sideriffle much better? EDIT: side riffle is that mash together thing you said btw
Thanks for the sig Megabug!
EDH Decks
Or mana weave. But that can be considered cheating
Thank you for Kennethwong, for inspiring me to do this sig pic when I was bored.
GENERATION 15: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig and add 1 to the generation. social experiment.
Side Shuffling (don't know why I couldn't come up with that) thank you.
Trade Thread
Basically, shuffling can be broken down like this:
2: Side shuffle, or overhand shuffle - This shuffle is where you split the deck and then reinsert the cards in a haphazard manner via sliding them into the side of the deck. Immediately the randomness of the shuffle is apparent: As long as you split the deck in various areas and then slide them in with little guidance, the shuffle is actually quite random. However, so is its spread over the deck, allowing for clumps of several unshuffled cards, and if not carefully monitored, is quite easy to keep certain cards in a general area over the course of the deck (IE: stacking the deck).
3: Rifle shuffle, or mana shuffle, or mana weave shuffle, or alpha shuffle, or shotgun shuffle: This is best described as laying a card on a table, then laying the next card on the table adjacent to the first, and then the next adjacent to the third, and so on until you form several piles. This shuffle isn't a shuffle. It's sorting. It's purpose is to break up cards that you had ordered into playsets evenly among your deck, however it does exactly that in a very predictable way. A rather simple equation can be used to predict the next card since the cards are split up along a definite set of piles. There should be no illusion of randomness with this shuffle unless as you lay the cards out you randomly choose the piles. However, a measure of control can be observed as the supposed sets of cards are now broken in a rather even manner.
The rule in Magic is that you should be able to shuffle your deck without assistance (rule about it's size) and that you must sufficiently be unaware of your deck's card order (fairness rule). That being said, no 'style' of shuffle is outright banned, however a judge may rule that your method isn't random enough.
Your best bet is to just shuffle. It really doesn't matter the style as long as you keep doing it. Shuffling over and over and over again, permitting mistakes and promoting randomization, is the only real goal. The quickest method to this path is by alternating a standard bridge with an overhand shuffle. The mana shuffle should be avoided if it's the only shuffle used, and if it's not it's still mostly ineffectual as a method since if the cards are really sufficiently randomized 'splitting up the chunks of cards' would be a completely random occurrence.
With all that being said, my preferred method is to overhand shuffle, alot, without looking, as I'm talking or otherwise being distracted. Why? Because it's truly random, it's impossible to equate a prediction of the cards, and it protects my card sleeves from sliding into each other during a shuffle. I then will cut my own deck several times, and then shuffle some more before giving the deck to my opponent to cut.