Basic Concept: Infinity Combo with Morselhorder and Sinking Feeling with any of the pinging enchantments.
I use Hateflayer for the same thing without Sinking Feeling with Smokebraider, who also accels my two bigs and their abilities.
The mana base is undecided. I don't have any vivids or other good multi-land so I was thinking 14 mountain 6 Island, but since Pili-Pala and Manamorphose mana fix, I'm not sure.
The Pingage combo can be used with any of the untappers. Pretty straight forward.
I'm a fan of Banishing Knack. It's a one-sided non-land Upheaval with your combo, and it's still sick enough even with just a lowly Silkbind Faerie or Pili-Pala.
Pili-Pala is worth keeping, I think. Filtering is secondary to having a repeatable fireball when combined with the pinging spells.
Oh, and since I realized you're not playing standard, maybe try Viridian Longbow instead of your Power of Fires. Less possibility for card disadvantage.
If you want to try something different, perhaps consider cutting some of the Hateflayers, Cinder Pyromancers, and Smokebraiders, then replacing them with Leech Bonder and Paradise Mantle. The mantle offers infinite mana with the Morselhoarder, or complete control of all counters with Leech Bonder. The merfolk also does a great job with any of the pinging abilities too. Remember that you don't have to target a creature with counters to untap the Leech Bonder! Simply targetting a creature is enough to untap it; the counter movement is checked only on resolution, by which point the Leech Bonder is already untapped.
One of my personal favorite decks that I play both in real-life and on MTGO is a WU version of your untap deck. It doesn't go infinite, but it's extremely synergistic. Here's my list, which I hope could help give you ideas:
Shapesharer gives another "Elemental" to the deck with a fun copy ability to use on a pinger (Infinite or otherwise) or to copy an opponents card. Elemental Mastery, mass creatures
But yes, Viridian Longbow would be a good option for the current deck. Thanks
Sorry, this may be a stupid question. I'm sitting here trying to figure out how Morselhoarder and Sinking Feeling create an infinite combo. I really hope someone will be kind enough to explain it to me. I'm thinking there is something very simple that i'm not understanding in this situation.
Sorry, this may be a stupid question. I'm sitting here trying to figure out how Morselhoarder and Sinking Feeling create an infinite combo. I really hope someone will be kind enough to explain it to me. I'm thinking there is something very simple that i'm not understanding in this situation.
Thanks in advance.
I'll try to help ya out. Since you can remove a -1/-1 counter from the Morselhoarder to add one mana to your mana pool, you are able to pay for the cost of Sinking feeling and this gives more counters on your Morselhoard so you can do it over and over again. The third part of the combo is to have a ping enchantment like Firewhip, so that you tap him for the firewhip ability, remove a counter thus adding 1 mana to your mana pool and then paying for the cost of sinking. This will untap him and you can do it over again.
I think I realized where I was confused, I was looking for a way for it to be infinite mana production instead of infinite damage.
So Morselhoarder and Sinking Feeling in and of themselves do nothing except take away a -1/-1 counter to add a -1/-1 counter but when you then add Fire Whip that's where you may just keep tapping/untapping this card into infinity? Tapping MH with FW enchant, dealing 1 damage, removing a -1/-1 counter to pay for enchant SF, replacing -1/-1 counter while untapping creature ... etc?
Right. The only thing Morsel and Sinking Feeling do together is untap and mana fix. Since the combo needs three cards (cmc 6, cmc 3, and whatever tap effect you want) the combo can be slow. The untap creatures, like Pili- Pala, come in handy because, while the don't do infinite, they only require one enchantment if any.
4 Morselhorder
4 Hateflayer
4 Pili-Pala
4 Smokebraider
2 Cinder Pyromancer
2 Silkbind Faerie
4 Sinking Feeling
4 Fire Whip
3 Quicksilver Dagger
2 Power of Fire
4 Magma Spray
3 Manamorphase
Basic Concept: Infinity Combo with Morselhorder and Sinking Feeling with any of the pinging enchantments.
I use Hateflayer for the same thing without Sinking Feeling with Smokebraider, who also accels my two bigs and their abilities.
The mana base is undecided. I don't have any vivids or other good multi-land so I was thinking 14 mountain 6 Island, but since Pili-Pala and Manamorphose mana fix, I'm not sure.
The Pingage combo can be used with any of the untappers. Pretty straight forward.
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Pili-Pala is worth keeping, I think. Filtering is secondary to having a repeatable fireball when combined with the pinging spells.
Oh, and since I realized you're not playing standard, maybe try Viridian Longbow instead of your Power of Fires. Less possibility for card disadvantage.
If you want to try something different, perhaps consider cutting some of the Hateflayers, Cinder Pyromancers, and Smokebraiders, then replacing them with Leech Bonder and Paradise Mantle. The mantle offers infinite mana with the Morselhoarder, or complete control of all counters with Leech Bonder. The merfolk also does a great job with any of the pinging abilities too. Remember that you don't have to target a creature with counters to untap the Leech Bonder! Simply targetting a creature is enough to untap it; the counter movement is checked only on resolution, by which point the Leech Bonder is already untapped.
One of my personal favorite decks that I play both in real-life and on MTGO is a WU version of your untap deck. It doesn't go infinite, but it's extremely synergistic. Here's my list, which I hope could help give you ideas:
4 Puresight Merrow
4 Patrol Signaler
1 Azorius Guildmage
4 Leech Bonder
4 Silkbind Faerie
2 Order of Whiteclay
4 Sky Hussar
2 Viridian Longbow
3 Paradise Mantle
Other Spells (9)
2 Banishing Knack
3 Negate
4 Oblivion Ring
4 Vivid Creek
4 Azorius Chancery
8 Plains
7 Island
Shapesharer gives another "Elemental" to the deck with a fun copy ability to use on a pinger (Infinite or otherwise) or to copy an opponents card. Elemental Mastery, mass creatures
But yes, Viridian Longbow would be a good option for the current deck. Thanks
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Thanks in advance.
I'll try to help ya out. Since you can remove a -1/-1 counter from the Morselhoarder to add one mana to your mana pool, you are able to pay for the cost of Sinking feeling and this gives more counters on your Morselhoard so you can do it over and over again. The third part of the combo is to have a ping enchantment like Firewhip, so that you tap him for the firewhip ability, remove a counter thus adding 1 mana to your mana pool and then paying for the cost of sinking. This will untap him and you can do it over again.
I think I realized where I was confused, I was looking for a way for it to be infinite mana production instead of infinite damage.
So Morselhoarder and Sinking Feeling in and of themselves do nothing except take away a -1/-1 counter to add a -1/-1 counter but when you then add Fire Whip that's where you may just keep tapping/untapping this card into infinity? Tapping MH with FW enchant, dealing 1 damage, removing a -1/-1 counter to pay for enchant SF, replacing -1/-1 counter while untapping creature ... etc?
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