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I'm slowly working on my first elder dragon deck (Brion Stoutarm :D) so I find any articles on the format interesting. Anyway my real question is: what's a Bruce? as in Hardcore Bruce. thanks
I'm slowly working on my first elder dragon deck (Brion Stoutarm :D) so I find any articles on the format interesting. Anyway my real question is: what's a Bruce? as in Hardcore Bruce. thanks
Ah, yes. It is my understanding (and please correct me if I am wrong) that a Bruce is a player who truly wants to lose. They're rare, but they exist. I'm told that I exhibit Bruce-like tendencies, for example, when I play multiplayer.
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Scapeshift: played with 6 lands (2 untapped) - or 5 with a karoo, find lotus vale (sac the 2 untapped), vesuva (copying vale - atleast online you wouldnt sac again) and desert temple thats +3 mana of any color (or +6 if you take the 4 mana land instead), that would proberly be better then the tron idea since the lands are better on their own (compared to lone pieces of tron lands) heck, vesuva, urborg and coffers seam like a decent combo on thier own, you can even add desert temple for an extra coffer if slightly weaker. Or desert temple (I like that land) + thawing glacier (+2 lands each second turn) + that (plains + forest) fetcher. This is mainly for online EDH.
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"Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has understood, delight to they who have listened." - Odin
Ah, yes. It is my understanding (and please correct me if I am wrong) that a Bruce is a player who truly wants to lose. They're rare, but they exist. I'm told that I exhibit Bruce-like tendencies, for example, when I play multiplayer.
That is really interesting, is it one of the common psychogenic profiles, like Timmy, Johnny, and Spike? I think this concept alone deserves its own thread. TO THE PROPER FORUM!!
The "Bruce" thing comes from a typically entertaining article by John Rizzo entitled "Stuck in the Middle with Bruce". The basic idea is that players have this weird impulse to do things which they know will make them lose.
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Ummm...I thought that in EDH you could only use cards in your deck that have mana symbols on them that are in your general's casting cost. Doesn't Rhys disqualify himself as your general?
I think that same rule also says that if your General has an ability with a colored cost, you can include those colors in your deck as well. Its for legends like Bosh, Iron Golem, Thelon of Havenwood, Memnarch, and now Rhys, the Exiled.
As soon as I saw this card I thought it would maybe sideboarded in T2 control builds, but for EDH it sounds perfect for General hate. I am working on a Sygg, River Guide EDH deck and Declaration of Naught is now going to be included.
Scapeshift: played with 6 lands (2 untapped) - or 5 with a karoo, find lotus vale (sac the 2 untapped), vesuva (copying vale - atleast online you wouldnt sac again) and desert temple thats +3 mana of any color (or +6 if you take the 4 mana land instead), that would proberly be better then the tron idea since the lands are better on their own (compared to lone pieces of tron lands) heck, vesuva, urborg and coffers seam like a decent combo on thier own, you can even add desert temple for an extra coffer if slightly weaker. Or desert temple (I like that land) + thawing glacier (+2 lands each second turn) + that (plains + forest) fetcher. This is mainly for online EDH.
Fair enough. Cards like Scapeshift offer many, MANY options, and some may or may not be better then the Tron. Tron was simply a powerful example that almost everyone is familiar with.
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Ummm...I thought that in EDH you could only use cards in your deck that have mana symbols on them that are in your general's casting cost. Doesn't Rhys disqualify himself as your general?
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I think that same rule also says that if your General has an ability with a colored cost, you can include those colors in your deck as well. Its for legends like Bosh, Iron Golem, Thelon of Havenwood, Memnarch, and now Rhys, the Exiled.
I'm afraid NicholasPrime is right on this one in most instances. My mistake, and I apologize. However, many groups allow generals like Bosh, Thelon, Memnarch, and Rhys, and it is under fairly regular discussion for a rules change. Such a change also seems to have the support of two members of the EDH rules committee, although the head honcho, Sheldon, seems to disagree. It is pretty widely agreed, though, that if such a change were to occur, Memnarch would need to be banned as a general.
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If you follow "strict" EDH rules, the call is "Mana cost only". However, the rules committee has always said, "Work it out with your local group" with regard to house EDH rules.
My call : Do it how you want. As long as your playgroup agrees on how to field it, go with it!
I have no problems with cursing. I always feel like the sort of people who buy that cliche are the same ones who think that every bully is secretly insecure. Life isn't as simple as our kindergarten teachers taught us.
I can't believe you left out Fertilid, which seems awesome in a deck with a Five color General.
It's certainly not a bad card for EDH. I'd probably put it in my deck before Sakura Tribe Elder simply because Fertilid can fetch two lands out of your deck, and two lands is better than one.
Also, Fertilid is especially awesome with Horde of Notions, which does make for a powerful General. Horde of Notions is the reason I put Trinket Mage in my deck; Trinket Mage searches out Tormod's Crypt to RFG the Horde's graveyard to stop shenanegans involving Crib Swaps with "buyback" for WUBRG, and also Pithing Needle to stop the Horde's ability altogether. (The Needle is also in there to hose Azami, who is beyond ridonkulus as a General.)
I would also argue that that giant that hews stones is almost an auto-include for EDH. At least in our group, most decks will have a handful of equipment--most if not all of them at least have Loxodon Warhammer--and being able to tutor for, play, and equip these powerful tools, all for the low cost of two mana a turn, seems pretty insane.
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You mention that Mindcensor would help make Maralen a viable general, but doesn't the color rule prevent you from actually using that combo?
I'm sorry if that was confusing. Obviously, Mindcensor can't be used if Maralen is your general. However, if you play some color combo with Black and White, then the two go together like a horse and carriage.
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I can't believe you left out Fertilid, which seems awesome in a deck with a Five color General.
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It's certainly not a bad card for EDH. I'd probably put it in my deck before Sakura Tribe Elder simply because Fertilid can fetch two lands out of your deck, and two lands is better than one.
Also, Fertilid is especially awesome with Horde of Notions, which does make for a powerful General. Horde of Notions is the reason I put Trinket Mage in my deck; Trinket Mage searches out Tormod's Crypt to RFG the Horde's graveyard to stop shenanegans involving Crib Swaps with "buyback" for WUBRG, and also Pithing Needle to stop the Horde's ability altogether. (The Needle is also in there to hose Azami, who is beyond ridonkulus as a General.)
I thought about Fertilid, then decided that I didn't feel that it earned a mention. I think that this was due to my personal bias (as stated, I like to use only one of each card in my decks, including basic lands), but when it gets right down to it, I'd rather run Kodama's Reach in most cases. It's not a bad card, though, and I run it in Experiment Kraj, and likely in Horde of Notions as well. That said, both of those generals make the card notably better than it would otherwise be. Personally, I prefer STE to it outside of decks with generals that allow for some abuse.
I would also argue that that giant that hews stones is almost an auto-include for EDH. At least in our group, most decks will have a handful of equipment--most if not all of them at least have Loxodon Warhammer--and being able to tutor for, play, and equip these powerful tools, all for the low cost of two mana a turn, seems pretty insane.
I won't deny that it's really good, but you need to be running a certain number of equipment before I'd call it an auto-include. And not all decks run that many (though I won't deny that most decks run a few). It's a very strong card, though, and I'd absolutely pick one up if you can.
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I just want to point out that Necropotence plus Maralen of the Mornsong is a bombo... Necro skips your draw step, so Maralen becomes useless.
Well, partially. Remember, though, that the effect of Maralen is symetrical, so while the other guys are stuck on one card per turn (admittedly, of their choosing), you can pull ahead and pick up some savage card advantage with the Necro. But you're right, you can't use her tutor ability with Necro out.
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Ah, yes. It is my understanding (and please correct me if I am wrong) that a Bruce is a player who truly wants to lose. They're rare, but they exist. I'm told that I exhibit Bruce-like tendencies, for example, when I play multiplayer.
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That is really interesting, is it one of the common psychogenic profiles, like Timmy, Johnny, and Spike? I think this concept alone deserves its own thread. TO THE PROPER FORUM!!
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Fair enough. Cards like Scapeshift offer many, MANY options, and some may or may not be better then the Tron. Tron was simply a powerful example that almost everyone is familiar with.
I'm afraid NicholasPrime is right on this one in most instances. My mistake, and I apologize. However, many groups allow generals like Bosh, Thelon, Memnarch, and Rhys, and it is under fairly regular discussion for a rules change. Such a change also seems to have the support of two members of the EDH rules committee, although the head honcho, Sheldon, seems to disagree. It is pretty widely agreed, though, that if such a change were to occur, Memnarch would need to be banned as a general.
Yodafan: Official pro of one of Magic’s most casual formats.
My call : Do it how you want. As long as your playgroup agrees on how to field it, go with it!
It's certainly not a bad card for EDH. I'd probably put it in my deck before Sakura Tribe Elder simply because Fertilid can fetch two lands out of your deck, and two lands is better than one.
Also, Fertilid is especially awesome with Horde of Notions, which does make for a powerful General. Horde of Notions is the reason I put Trinket Mage in my deck; Trinket Mage searches out Tormod's Crypt to RFG the Horde's graveyard to stop shenanegans involving Crib Swaps with "buyback" for WUBRG, and also Pithing Needle to stop the Horde's ability altogether. (The Needle is also in there to hose Azami, who is beyond ridonkulus as a General.)
I would also argue that that giant that hews stones is almost an auto-include for EDH. At least in our group, most decks will have a handful of equipment--most if not all of them at least have Loxodon Warhammer--and being able to tutor for, play, and equip these powerful tools, all for the low cost of two mana a turn, seems pretty insane.
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I'm sorry if that was confusing. Obviously, Mindcensor can't be used if Maralen is your general. However, if you play some color combo with Black and White, then the two go together like a horse and carriage.
I thought about Fertilid, then decided that I didn't feel that it earned a mention. I think that this was due to my personal bias (as stated, I like to use only one of each card in my decks, including basic lands), but when it gets right down to it, I'd rather run Kodama's Reach in most cases. It's not a bad card, though, and I run it in Experiment Kraj, and likely in Horde of Notions as well. That said, both of those generals make the card notably better than it would otherwise be. Personally, I prefer STE to it outside of decks with generals that allow for some abuse.
I won't deny that it's really good, but you need to be running a certain number of equipment before I'd call it an auto-include. And not all decks run that many (though I won't deny that most decks run a few). It's a very strong card, though, and I'd absolutely pick one up if you can.
Yodafan: Official pro of one of Magic’s most casual formats.
Well, partially. Remember, though, that the effect of Maralen is symetrical, so while the other guys are stuck on one card per turn (admittedly, of their choosing), you can pull ahead and pick up some savage card advantage with the Necro. But you're right, you can't use her tutor ability with Necro out.
Yodafan: Official pro of one of Magic’s most casual formats.