ok as we know there is a turn 0 win that involves the card Flash but sadly that card is not legal in legacy, which i am looking to play in here in a couple months. what i want to know is if there is a different version of flash that is good as a viable replacement, to still make the deck playable. if it still includes a turn 0 win that would be awesome, but its not necessary. thank you
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You can play Belcher or the new decks with those hermit Druid variants from Gatecrash and use Leyline of Anticipation to win on turn 0, however you'd be better off playing an actual good combo deck that wins turn 2-3.
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Okay this is a on the draw win on your opponent's upkeep if they don't have Force scenario. Also its possible you lose doing this which makes it better.
I've never seen a planned turn 0 win, but I have seen a player show and tell on turn 1 on the play, their opponent put into play a charbelcher, use some guides, ritual and activate it, killing the guy who show and telled in an emrakul on 1.
Well yeah, you have to have run an Ad Nauseam Tendrils package. Ritual mana spells into Infernal Tutor + Lion's Eye Diamond, search for Past in Flames, flash all your rituals back for mana, then Tutor again for Burning Wish, put Overmaster in your hand, cast it, then flashback Fling via Past in Flames. Obviously.
I've never seen a planned turn 0 win, but I have seen a player show and tell on turn 1 on the play, their opponent put into play a charbelcher, use some guides, ritual and activate it, killing the guy who show and telled in an emrakul on 1.
Exile all 3 spirit guides, cast seething song into seething song. Manamorphose into manamorphose for minimum of BBW drawing angel's grace. Cast angel's grace then ad nauseam your entire library. With all the mana fixing in your library (read: another manamorphose to get UU), you cast a Brain Freeze to mill their entire deck after obtaining the ridiculously massive storm count you can accomplish. then cast Vision Skeins, angel's grace will prevent you from losing.
i would personally consider using the time spiral pacts to get the lethal brain freeze storm count.
Last Edit: Not sure if it is possible to win against a deck using eldrazi or multiples of any "shuffle back into library" creature as there is no room for Leyline of the Void in the opening hand.
Real Last Edit: With Leyline of Anticipation your options might increase since Rite of Flame is more efficient than Seething Song in multiples. This also allows you to do really dumb things like cast a gigantic empty the warrens and sacrifice them all to a Goblin Bombardment which gets around eldrazi. you just need to dedicate at least 5 slots to Leyline, Spirit Guide, and minimum of 3x Rite of Flame to stay on par with my current setup.
Exile all 3 spirit guides, cast seething song into seething song. Manamorphose into manamorphose for minimum of BBW drawing angel's grace. Cast angel's grace then ad nauseam your entire library. With all the mana fixing in your library (read: another manamorphose to get UU), you cast a Brain Freeze to mill their entire deck after obtaining the ridiculously massive storm count you can accomplish. then cast Vision Skeins, angel's grace will prevent you from losing.
i would personally consider using the time spiral pacts to get the lethal brain freeze storm count.
Last Edit: Not sure if it is possible to win against a deck using eldrazi or multiples of any "shuffle back into library" creature as there is no room for Leyline of the Void in the opening hand.
Real Last Edit: With Leyline of Anticipation your options might increase since Rite of Flame is more efficient than Seething Song in multiples. This also allows you to do really dumb things like cast a gigantic empty the warrens and sacrifice them all to a Goblin Bombardment which gets around eldrazi. you just need to dedicate at least 5 slots to Leyline, Spirit Guide, and minimum of 3x Rite of Flame to stay on par with my current setup.
Tendrils of Agony is much simpler, and requires a lower storm count.
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Begin the game with LeyLine of Anticipation in play.
Exile Elvish Spirit Guide, adding G to your mana pool
Play Glimpse of Nature (Storm count 1)
Exile Simian Spirit Guide to add R to your mana pool
Play Burning Inquiry (Storm count 2)
- Draw Tendrils of Agony, Basking Rootwalla, Basking Rootwalla
- Discard Basking Rootwalla, Basking Rootwalla, Basking Rootwalla, playing them for thier Madness cost (Storm count 5)
Draw Mox Jet, Black Lotus, and Memnite off Glimpse of Nature
Play Memnite (Storm count 6), draw a Darksteel Ignot, play Darksteel Ignot (Storm count 7), play Mox Jet (Storm Count 8), play Black Lotus (Storm count 9), tap the Mox Jet and sac the Black Lotus for BBBB, play Tendrils of Agony for 20 damage.
if you want a turn 0 kill, I think belcher or all spells might get a turn 1 kill (which is the next best thing)
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Other than that, I have no idea.
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What he said ^
Unless you have -
Legacy Burn
NO Combo Elves
Reanimator
Trades
Burn Primer
:symg:Free Gaea's Cradle:symg:
with Fling, I presume.
Technically you would not win until your opponents draw step on T2
Unless you had Leyline of Anticipation, Simian Spirit Guide and Burning Inquiry! Talk about a godhand.
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Before the game begins Gemstone Caverns
Use the mana from Caverns to cast Quicken
Use Simian Spirit Guide to cast Mana Clash.
Its actually a Turn 0 9th-Rav-Tsp Standard win.
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Well yeah, you have to have run an Ad Nauseam Tendrils package. Ritual mana spells into Infernal Tutor + Lion's Eye Diamond, search for Past in Flames, flash all your rituals back for mana, then Tutor again for Burning Wish, put Overmaster in your hand, cast it, then flashback Fling via Past in Flames. Obviously.
That's awesome. Pure greatness.
Legacy Burn
NO Combo Elves
Reanimator
Trades
Burn Primer
:symg:Free Gaea's Cradle:symg:
I would totally print that and try it out on my playgroup if it didn't have a glaring typo.
Manamorphse <- Top card of library
Angel's Grace <- Second card from top of library
Exile all 3 spirit guides, cast seething song into seething song. Manamorphose into manamorphose for minimum of BBW drawing angel's grace. Cast angel's grace then ad nauseam your entire library. With all the mana fixing in your library (read: another manamorphose to get UU), you cast a Brain Freeze to mill their entire deck after obtaining the ridiculously massive storm count you can accomplish. then cast Vision Skeins, angel's grace will prevent you from losing.
i would personally consider using the time spiral pacts to get the lethal brain freeze storm count.
Last Edit: Not sure if it is possible to win against a deck using eldrazi or multiples of any "shuffle back into library" creature as there is no room for Leyline of the Void in the opening hand.
Real Last Edit: With Leyline of Anticipation your options might increase since Rite of Flame is more efficient than Seething Song in multiples. This also allows you to do really dumb things like cast a gigantic empty the warrens and sacrifice them all to a Goblin Bombardment which gets around eldrazi. you just need to dedicate at least 5 slots to Leyline, Spirit Guide, and minimum of 3x Rite of Flame to stay on par with my current setup.
Tendrils of Agony is much simpler, and requires a lower storm count.
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If you had a hand of Archive Trap, Archive Trap, Archive Trap, Archive Trap, Leyline of Anticipation, Simian Spirit Guide, and Book Burning, AND your opponent has 64 cards or less in his library, AND he cracks a fetchland on his T1, AND he has no Eldrazi or Anti mill/"shuffle back" cards in his library, you can win T0 without ever drawing a card
Tendrils is a sorcery, so you could not do it on your T0 without Leyline of Anticipation, which there would not be room for.
If you want to get all Vintage with it
Opening hand of
Leyline of Anticipation
Elvish Spirit Guide
Glimpse of Nature
Simian Spirit Guide
Burning Inquiry
Basking Rootwalla
Basking Rootwalla
Begin the game with LeyLine of Anticipation in play.
Exile Elvish Spirit Guide, adding G to your mana pool
Play Glimpse of Nature (Storm count 1)
Exile Simian Spirit Guide to add R to your mana pool
Play Burning Inquiry (Storm count 2)
- Draw Tendrils of Agony, Basking Rootwalla, Basking Rootwalla
- Discard Basking Rootwalla, Basking Rootwalla, Basking Rootwalla, playing them for thier Madness cost (Storm count 5)
Draw Mox Jet, Black Lotus, and Memnite off Glimpse of Nature
Play Memnite (Storm count 6), draw a Darksteel Ignot, play Darksteel Ignot (Storm count 7), play Mox Jet (Storm Count 8), play Black Lotus (Storm count 9), tap the Mox Jet and sac the Black Lotus for BBBB, play Tendrils of Agony for 20 damage.
Assuming no Force of Will you win T0
You can't win before the game starts. Maybe hide the other guys deck so he can't play you?
How do you play Book Burning for R? Its printed mana cost is 1R.
Tendrils of Agony is a sorcery.
Der, I meant Burning Inquiry
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That would get your opponent a turn 0 win, as you would be disqualified. Actually, they would win an entire match in turn 0.