Do people really not know anything about it? Or are they acting stupid.
The person wins against me and says GG.
Saying "GG" after winning means basically "haha, I won, you suck" if there are any who do not know it. Now I have a hard time understanding if people know it or not? About one third of time, I am 100% sure the people were "notverysportsmanlike" when they said it. How should I react? My personality is such that when people say something bad to me, I usually do not walk away(unfortunately).
I mean, if you win, then you win, walk away, do not badmouth.
(the same goes for rl, btw - the loser offers the handshake.
The second thing:
Where did the "good luck" at the start of the match come from? Why would you start the match with a lie? If you really mean it, why do you cause your opponent of being a lucksack(a 4-year old calls someone lucksack btw) when he really gets the luck. Really, when you say Good luck, you should be quiet when you lose. I have no idea why anyone really want their opponent to have good luck.
If there was no such thing and it was a nice competitive match and your opponent clearly plays bad, why not let yourself be heard, I think.
Third thing:
Why do people whine about me having a good card in my deck and winning? I can understand not being happy when your opp. plays padly or something and does not deserve the win, but is it really your opponents fault when he opens a good card and plays it? Just today, I opened a Gideon and promptly won the draft, by somewhat maximizing my deck to be able to win with it if I draw it. My opponent ofcourse accused me of everything and that I had a mythic while playing a subpar deck badly himself.
Your thoughts? Anything I left out?
Maybe that does not belong in the limited forum that much, but I guess that it has to stay here.:P
You are right, this doesn't belong in the limited forum. So I'll move it to Magic General.
Discussions like these are always interesting, since apparently no one really agrees exactly what common courtesy in Magic is.
Regarding your first point: I don't necessarily think it's a douchey move to say "GG" after you've won, it depends on the game. If it was an actual good game where the loser didn't screw or flood or anything like that, nothing wrong about it, but I prefer it to be the loser who offers the "GG". In my opinion, the actual douchey move is to say "GG" before the game is over. Like say it, then play the Fireball you just topdecked.
And the second: I think this is common courtesy, and I don't think it means "I hope you get some ridiculous topdecks against me", but more like "I hope you won't mulligan to five and screw, because that wouldn't be very fun". The "Hello and good luck" pretty much equals "Pleased to meet you". Nothing more, nothing less. So can't say I agree with you here.
Third: It's childish to whine in general, not just about the opponent drawing good cards. It's okay to be annoyed about losing, it's another thing completely to let those feelings out and act like a sore loser.
I think it's appropriate to say "Hello and goodluck" at the beginning of the match. It's good sportsmanship and encourages a fun play environment while not making the match any less competitive.
I also think it's rude to not say "Good game" after a match, regardless if you're the winner or loser. It's in no way rude or offensive for the winner to say this. It's not rubbing the victory in anyone's face. It's saying, "Magic is a fun game. I hope we both enjoyed it. I hope you have a good day." Again, it's good sportsmanship.
If you perceive it differently then that is some kind of problem that you have. You are interpreting the message wrong, unless your opponent who says it is a jerk who is blatantly trying to be rude, which in my experience is extremely rare.
Bottom line: it's a nice thing to say. Being offended by it is your problem and fault.
I disagree that it's a douchey move for the winner to say GG after the match unless it was a total blowout. It all comes to the context. If they say it with sarcasm in their voice then well anything you say with sarcasm in your voice is douchey. I've said "Good Game" to people I've beat and people I've lost to and I meant it.
I've also said "Good Luck" but mostly in pre-releases in the like. I meant it in the terms of Good Luck, Hope your deck performs well. When I play someone I want it to be a good match, sure I prefer to win but not if I win by my opponent getting mana screwed or whatnot. Those games tell you nothing about how your deck performs and does nothing to improve your game. I want to have to think to win a match not win by default.
You sound like the one who doesn't know anything about gaming etiquette.
Saying good luck before a game is a simple, friendly gesture. You are not lying (or, atleast, shouldn't be), and to say that wishing your opponent luck is somehow rude is asinine.
If there was no such thing and it was a nice competitive match and your opponent clearly plays bad, why not let yourself be heard, I think.
As to this, rubbing in that your opponent played badly, or had a poor deck is very bad sportsmanship. If your honestly offering constructive criticism, and your opponent wants to hear what you have to say, that's fine. But that doesn't sound to me like what you mean.
I try not to say good game in a way that could be interpreted as rubbing in the win. That being said, I still will say it when I win, and often offer a handshake. I will almost always do it when I lose too. It's not inherently rude, and as long as your not rubbing it in, its perfectly fine.
As for complaining about good limited pulls, that is pretty bad etiquette.
I don't see where gg is douchy. Some of the most fun games I've ever played were those I lost. So long as noone got manascrewed to death and/or it wasn't entirely one-sided, I think it's fine.
These are just common courtesies. Sure, you can start the game without saying anything and then just leave after it's over without saying anything. But, then, you may as well have been playing against a computer.
Greeting your opponent at the beginning of the game with "hello" and / or "good luck" and then parting ways after the game with "good game" reminds us that we are human beings playing against each other.
both "good luck" at game's start, and "GG" at game's end are fine. In fact, I think its more polite to say them (in the appropriate tone) than to not say them.
Personally, I feel I must stand in opposition to the terms 'good luck', and 'good game'. Any civilized human being knows that a True Sport tips his top hat (or executive bowler, as fashion and season dictate), towards his opponent in affirmation that they are to begin their game of Magic. And naturally, when the game is won or lost, the proper response by the loser is to raise his scotch glass (or brandy snifter, depending on the time of day and whether women are present), and nod respectfully towards the victor.
Everyone knows that good luck and good game are such insincere terms that any man who does not connect his right hook with the offender's jaw on the very utterance of such a phrase is no man I would consider as such. The very idea of wishing one's opponent luck, or proclaiming that the game was good! As if every Magic game is not a struggle entirely placed in the realm of skill, and violent, malevolent conquest. No words need be exchanged. None of this 'congratulations' or 'well done' business. I leave it to the onlookers who murmur scandal behind the players like stray geese to create such unbecoming noise.
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Personally, I feel I must stand in opposition to the terms 'good luck', and 'good game'. Any civilized human being knows that a True Sport tips his top hat (or executive bowler, as fashion and season dictate), towards his opponent in affirmation that they are to begin their game of Magic. And naturally, when the game is won or lost, the proper response by the loser is to raise his scotch glass (or brandy snifter, depending on the time of day and whether women are present), and nod respectfully towards the victor.
Yes, tipping one's top hat and raising one's scotch glass are certainly great gestures. However, these gestures are only available when you're playing casually at home.
In the world of online play, sadly, such gestures are unavailable. We must make do with saying hello and good luck at the beginning of the game and then saying good game at the end.
What I don't understand is why some people seem to think the world is out to get them. A person giving you a hug? No, they are rudely touching me! A handshake? No, they are rubbing in my face that they won! This just seems like a case of Asperger syndrome (nothing wrong with that).
These are simply social interactions that fundamentally have no meaning, no need to get in a bunch about them.
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Everyone knows that good luck and good game are such insincere terms that any man who does not connect his right hook with the offender's jaw on the very utterance of such a phrase is no man I would consider as such.
Do people really not know anything about it? Or are they acting stupid.
The person wins against me and says GG.
Saying "GG" after winning means basically "haha, I won, you suck" if there are any who do not know it. Now I have a hard time understanding if people know it or not? About one third of time, I am 100% sure the people were "notverysportsmanlike" when they said it. How should I react? My personality is such that when people say something bad to me, I usually do not walk away(unfortunately).
I mean, if you win, then you win, walk away, do not badmouth.
(the same goes for rl, btw - the loser offers the handshake.
The second thing:
Where did the "good luck" at the start of the match come from? Why would you start the match with a lie? If you really mean it, why do you cause your opponent of being a lucksack(a 4-year old calls someone lucksack btw) when he really gets the luck. Really, when you say Good luck, you should be quiet when you lose. I have no idea why anyone really want their opponent to have good luck.
If there was no such thing and it was a nice competitive match and your opponent clearly plays bad, why not let yourself be heard, I think.
Third thing:
Why do people whine about me having a good card in my deck and winning? I can understand not being happy when your opp. plays padly or something and does not deserve the win, but is it really your opponents fault when he opens a good card and plays it? Just today, I opened a Gideon and promptly won the draft, by somewhat maximizing my deck to be able to win with it if I draw it. My opponent ofcourse accused me of everything and that I had a mythic while playing a subpar deck badly himself.
Your thoughts? Anything I left out?
Maybe that does not belong in the limited forum that much, but I guess that it has to stay here.:P
GG, Hello and Good Luck, stuff like that is just courtesy. Seeing as I now play Modern mostly- I can honestly say GG most of the time. (Played games with 100+ points in life swing, games with 20+ spells cast per player over a couple turns-neither of us playing storm, fun stuff like that)
1. Sit down at your match and introduce yourself. Hand shakes and "good luck" wishes are optional.
2. During the match, remarking how good your opponent's deck is, particularly in Limited, is fine. For example, "Wow, you got a Flameblast Dragon and 2 Mind Controls? Not much I can do against that!" is fine. Complaining about your terrible pulls or how it would have been a different game if you would have gotten to your Oblivion Ring, or accusing your opponent of cheating to get his Limited pool is right out.
3. Following the match, say "Good game and good luck in the next round" and extend your hand for a hand shake. These are required even if the match was bad. If your opponent got mana screwed or flooded, saying that that sucks is fine if you're not a dick about it. Gloating or snide remarks have no place here.
Those are my suggestions. Learn them, live them, use them.
These are simply social interactions that fundamentally have no meaning, no need to get in a bunch about them.
These are probably some of the truest words you will see on the subject. GG and goodluck are nothing to be concerned about either way, they are just social niceties.
A lot of whats said has to do with tone as well. If you utterly crush your opponent and say "gg" with a chuckle its probably not a nice thing to say. Oftentimes when my opponents loses "unfairly" to things like mana screw or mana flood, I will extend a hand and say something like "tough breaks" or "it always sucks losing to mana screw, good luck in the next round" Its something I genuinely mean too, I hate winning games where the other play was never even in it, and we have all been on the receiving end of bad luck and how awful it is.
Tone can mean a lot when it comes to "whining" too. There is nothing wrong with saying "wow, you had some good draft pulls" or "that was a pretty amazing topdeck" its all in how you say it.
Has anyone else noticed that roughly a quarter of all threads in Magic General amount to variations of "Magic has some unpleasant players"?
Sometimes I wonder if people can actually tell when I'm being sarcastic. I once got chewed out by a store owner because I was playing a Limited game with him and I half-jokingly said I wouldn't let him put a counter on his Quest for Pure Flame after he had passed the turn and missed the trigger.
Saying "good game" and "good luck" is the gentlemanly thing to do when playing Magic or any other such function. I usually offer a handshake at the end of matches as well. 9 times out of 10, the opposing player will shake, regardless of the outcome.
Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but it just seems sporting.
To be honest i reeally believe its the intent of the statement
Online if someone just says gl and gg at the start and end i see nothing wrong, its common courtesy and although shallow, it still shows respect for the opponent.
On the other hand, gging before its over, hello and have fun (removing the good luck bit) etc feel like douche moves because they're not courtesies, they're just something someone felt like saying
When sitting down to a match, I will introduce myself, and ask how my opponents other rounds have gone. No details, just record, and if they feel like talking, they tell me what beat them.
Game 3 is when I will say good luck, and I mean it when I say it. I hate winning b/c my opponent didn't draw lands, or drew all lands. If that happens, after the game is done, instead of good game, I tend to say good match, sorry it had to end this way.
Has anyone else noticed that roughly a quarter of all threads in Magic General amount to variations of "Magic has some unpleasant players"?
If you notice that the OP in this thread is taking offense at being said "good game" and finds "good luck" to be hypocritical.
That so many threads are about "unpleasant players", combined with the above, just illustrates that 1) some people will find _anything_ unpleasant, including other people being polite. 2) people whine about everything.
I'd be interested to know the backgrounds of the people from the two different viewpoints. Well I guess there are three:
1) Those that think good game and good luck are obligatory niceties that don't hurt anyone
2) Those that think good game and good luck are rude and ignorant and are meant to be offensive
3) Those that are completely indifferent to whether the opponent says them or not
Personally, I fall into the first group. I wouldn't even consider not saying good game at the end, win or lose. Sometimes if it's a walkover or they were completely mana screwed I say something a little more along the lines of how unlucky they were, but I try to be very polite either way. I then always wish them good luck for the next round.
I think the reason I do this is linked back to me playing organised sport (rugby an tennis) growing up. For tennis, it was expected that at the end of the game you would shake hands, win or lose, and in rugby we would do a cheer at the end of the game for the other team and then line up to shake the whole team's hands. If I ever considered not doing one of these, my parents would have killed me.
I never even considered this might be rude until I came on this forum (no one at FNM has ever said anything). I still don't think it is, and will continue to offer a handshake at the end of matches, win or lose
The only exception is where someone says good games before the game even ends because they assume they have you beaten, or are otherwise being cocky
As mentioned, I would be interested to see if the people who don't think the winner should say good game ever played competitive sport, and if they did, what the expected behaviour was at the end of the match. Certainly where I grew up we were always encouraged to win or lose in good grace
The person wins against me and says GG.
Saying "GG" after winning means basically "haha, I won, you suck" if there are any who do not know it. Now I have a hard time understanding if people know it or not? About one third of time, I am 100% sure the people were "notverysportsmanlike" when they said it. How should I react? My personality is such that when people say something bad to me, I usually do not walk away(unfortunately).
I mean, if you win, then you win, walk away, do not badmouth.
(the same goes for rl, btw - the loser offers the handshake.
I don't see anything wrong with the winner saying good game so long as the game was, infact, good. To me GG means thanks for playing honest and fair and being a nice opponent. The same rule applies to losing.
Where did the "good luck" at the start of the match come from? Why would you start the match with a lie? If you really mean it, why do you cause your opponent of being a lucksack(a 4-year old calls someone lucksack btw) when he really gets the luck. Really, when you say Good luck, you should be quiet when you lose. I have no idea why anyone really want their opponent to have good luck.
This is just being nice. You've often just met the person, its all about a good first impression. It makes the match more friendly, while still keeping it competitive. Being nice to people is never a bad thing. You never know when you'll make a new friend.
Why do people whine about me having a good card in my deck and winning? I can understand not being happy when your opp. plays padly or something and does not deserve the win, but is it really your opponents fault when he opens a good card and plays it? Just today, I opened a Gideon and promptly won the draft, by somewhat maximizing my deck to be able to win with it if I draw it. My opponent ofcourse accused me of everything and that I had a mythic while playing a subpar deck badly himself.
Some people are just annoying and will whine when they lose. Just ignore this kind of behavior. Its not worth arguing about it with someone.
If there was no such thing and it was a nice competitive match and your opponent clearly plays bad, why not let yourself be heard, I think.
I will occasionally offer advice or point out if there was a blatant way they misplayed or ask them why they did X instead of Y but usually I don't talk about their play too much. I like being told when I made a mistake because then I can become better but some people don't like to be told when they messed up. Maybe they realized it but it was too late. They may view this as rubbing it in.
In the end just be polite to your opponent. No offense but you seem to be the one that doesnt know gaming etiquette.
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The person wins against me and says GG.
Saying "GG" after winning means basically "haha, I won, you suck" if there are any who do not know it. Now I have a hard time understanding if people know it or not? About one third of time, I am 100% sure the people were "notverysportsmanlike" when they said it. How should I react? My personality is such that when people say something bad to me, I usually do not walk away(unfortunately).
I mean, if you win, then you win, walk away, do not badmouth.
(the same goes for rl, btw - the loser offers the handshake.
The second thing:
Where did the "good luck" at the start of the match come from? Why would you start the match with a lie? If you really mean it, why do you cause your opponent of being a lucksack(a 4-year old calls someone lucksack btw) when he really gets the luck. Really, when you say Good luck, you should be quiet when you lose. I have no idea why anyone really want their opponent to have good luck.
If there was no such thing and it was a nice competitive match and your opponent clearly plays bad, why not let yourself be heard, I think.
Third thing:
Why do people whine about me having a good card in my deck and winning? I can understand not being happy when your opp. plays padly or something and does not deserve the win, but is it really your opponents fault when he opens a good card and plays it? Just today, I opened a Gideon and promptly won the draft, by somewhat maximizing my deck to be able to win with it if I draw it. My opponent ofcourse accused me of everything and that I had a mythic while playing a subpar deck badly himself.
Your thoughts? Anything I left out?
Maybe that does not belong in the limited forum that much, but I guess that it has to stay here.:P
Discussions like these are always interesting, since apparently no one really agrees exactly what common courtesy in Magic is.
Regarding your first point: I don't necessarily think it's a douchey move to say "GG" after you've won, it depends on the game. If it was an actual good game where the loser didn't screw or flood or anything like that, nothing wrong about it, but I prefer it to be the loser who offers the "GG". In my opinion, the actual douchey move is to say "GG" before the game is over. Like say it, then play the Fireball you just topdecked.
And the second: I think this is common courtesy, and I don't think it means "I hope you get some ridiculous topdecks against me", but more like "I hope you won't mulligan to five and screw, because that wouldn't be very fun". The "Hello and good luck" pretty much equals "Pleased to meet you". Nothing more, nothing less. So can't say I agree with you here.
Third: It's childish to whine in general, not just about the opponent drawing good cards. It's okay to be annoyed about losing, it's another thing completely to let those feelings out and act like a sore loser.
I also think it's rude to not say "Good game" after a match, regardless if you're the winner or loser. It's in no way rude or offensive for the winner to say this. It's not rubbing the victory in anyone's face. It's saying, "Magic is a fun game. I hope we both enjoyed it. I hope you have a good day." Again, it's good sportsmanship.
If you perceive it differently then that is some kind of problem that you have. You are interpreting the message wrong, unless your opponent who says it is a jerk who is blatantly trying to be rude, which in my experience is extremely rare.
Bottom line: it's a nice thing to say. Being offended by it is your problem and fault.
I've also said "Good Luck" but mostly in pre-releases in the like. I meant it in the terms of Good Luck, Hope your deck performs well. When I play someone I want it to be a good match, sure I prefer to win but not if I win by my opponent getting mana screwed or whatnot. Those games tell you nothing about how your deck performs and does nothing to improve your game. I want to have to think to win a match not win by default.
Whining is lame. Not much to say about that.
Saying good luck before a game is a simple, friendly gesture. You are not lying (or, atleast, shouldn't be), and to say that wishing your opponent luck is somehow rude is asinine.
As to this, rubbing in that your opponent played badly, or had a poor deck is very bad sportsmanship. If your honestly offering constructive criticism, and your opponent wants to hear what you have to say, that's fine. But that doesn't sound to me like what you mean.
I try not to say good game in a way that could be interpreted as rubbing in the win. That being said, I still will say it when I win, and often offer a handshake. I will almost always do it when I lose too. It's not inherently rude, and as long as your not rubbing it in, its perfectly fine.
As for complaining about good limited pulls, that is pretty bad etiquette.
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Greeting your opponent at the beginning of the game with "hello" and / or "good luck" and then parting ways after the game with "good game" reminds us that we are human beings playing against each other.
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Everyone knows that good luck and good game are such insincere terms that any man who does not connect his right hook with the offender's jaw on the very utterance of such a phrase is no man I would consider as such. The very idea of wishing one's opponent luck, or proclaiming that the game was good! As if every Magic game is not a struggle entirely placed in the realm of skill, and violent, malevolent conquest. No words need be exchanged. None of this 'congratulations' or 'well done' business. I leave it to the onlookers who murmur scandal behind the players like stray geese to create such unbecoming noise.
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Yes, tipping one's top hat and raising one's scotch glass are certainly great gestures. However, these gestures are only available when you're playing casually at home.
In the world of online play, sadly, such gestures are unavailable. We must make do with saying hello and good luck at the beginning of the game and then saying good game at the end.
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What I don't understand is why some people seem to think the world is out to get them. A person giving you a hug? No, they are rudely touching me! A handshake? No, they are rubbing in my face that they won! This just seems like a case of Asperger syndrome (nothing wrong with that).
These are simply social interactions that fundamentally have no meaning, no need to get in a bunch about them.
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GG, Hello and Good Luck, stuff like that is just courtesy. Seeing as I now play Modern mostly- I can honestly say GG most of the time. (Played games with 100+ points in life swing, games with 20+ spells cast per player over a couple turns-neither of us playing storm, fun stuff like that)
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1. Sit down at your match and introduce yourself. Hand shakes and "good luck" wishes are optional.
2. During the match, remarking how good your opponent's deck is, particularly in Limited, is fine. For example, "Wow, you got a Flameblast Dragon and 2 Mind Controls? Not much I can do against that!" is fine. Complaining about your terrible pulls or how it would have been a different game if you would have gotten to your Oblivion Ring, or accusing your opponent of cheating to get his Limited pool is right out.
3. Following the match, say "Good game and good luck in the next round" and extend your hand for a hand shake. These are required even if the match was bad. If your opponent got mana screwed or flooded, saying that that sucks is fine if you're not a dick about it. Gloating or snide remarks have no place here.
Those are my suggestions. Learn them, live them, use them.
These are probably some of the truest words you will see on the subject. GG and goodluck are nothing to be concerned about either way, they are just social niceties.
A lot of whats said has to do with tone as well. If you utterly crush your opponent and say "gg" with a chuckle its probably not a nice thing to say. Oftentimes when my opponents loses "unfairly" to things like mana screw or mana flood, I will extend a hand and say something like "tough breaks" or "it always sucks losing to mana screw, good luck in the next round" Its something I genuinely mean too, I hate winning games where the other play was never even in it, and we have all been on the receiving end of bad luck and how awful it is.
Tone can mean a lot when it comes to "whining" too. There is nothing wrong with saying "wow, you had some good draft pulls" or "that was a pretty amazing topdeck" its all in how you say it.
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Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but it just seems sporting.
Online if someone just says gl and gg at the start and end i see nothing wrong, its common courtesy and although shallow, it still shows respect for the opponent.
On the other hand, gging before its over, hello and have fun (removing the good luck bit) etc feel like douche moves because they're not courtesies, they're just something someone felt like saying
Game 3 is when I will say good luck, and I mean it when I say it. I hate winning b/c my opponent didn't draw lands, or drew all lands. If that happens, after the game is done, instead of good game, I tend to say good match, sorry it had to end this way.
If you notice that the OP in this thread is taking offense at being said "good game" and finds "good luck" to be hypocritical.
That so many threads are about "unpleasant players", combined with the above, just illustrates that 1) some people will find _anything_ unpleasant, including other people being polite. 2) people whine about everything.
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1) Those that think good game and good luck are obligatory niceties that don't hurt anyone
2) Those that think good game and good luck are rude and ignorant and are meant to be offensive
3) Those that are completely indifferent to whether the opponent says them or not
Personally, I fall into the first group. I wouldn't even consider not saying good game at the end, win or lose. Sometimes if it's a walkover or they were completely mana screwed I say something a little more along the lines of how unlucky they were, but I try to be very polite either way. I then always wish them good luck for the next round.
I think the reason I do this is linked back to me playing organised sport (rugby an tennis) growing up. For tennis, it was expected that at the end of the game you would shake hands, win or lose, and in rugby we would do a cheer at the end of the game for the other team and then line up to shake the whole team's hands. If I ever considered not doing one of these, my parents would have killed me.
I never even considered this might be rude until I came on this forum (no one at FNM has ever said anything). I still don't think it is, and will continue to offer a handshake at the end of matches, win or lose
The only exception is where someone says good games before the game even ends because they assume they have you beaten, or are otherwise being cocky
As mentioned, I would be interested to see if the people who don't think the winner should say good game ever played competitive sport, and if they did, what the expected behaviour was at the end of the match. Certainly where I grew up we were always encouraged to win or lose in good grace
I don't see anything wrong with the winner saying good game so long as the game was, infact, good. To me GG means thanks for playing honest and fair and being a nice opponent. The same rule applies to losing.
This is just being nice. You've often just met the person, its all about a good first impression. It makes the match more friendly, while still keeping it competitive. Being nice to people is never a bad thing. You never know when you'll make a new friend.
Some people are just annoying and will whine when they lose. Just ignore this kind of behavior. Its not worth arguing about it with someone.
I will occasionally offer advice or point out if there was a blatant way they misplayed or ask them why they did X instead of Y but usually I don't talk about their play too much. I like being told when I made a mistake because then I can become better but some people don't like to be told when they messed up. Maybe they realized it but it was too late. They may view this as rubbing it in.
In the end just be polite to your opponent. No offense but you seem to be the one that doesnt know gaming etiquette.
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