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Nothing, the format Bores me! Legacy: RBurn (Made on the Cheap!)R RGBelcherRG WSoldier StompyW BReanimatorB EDH: BUGRWSliver OverlordWRGUB BGeth, Lord of the VaultB
I would like to see legendary duals myself. On topic would like to see the foil decks introduce new cards like the Commander series did. Would add some extra incentive.
On topic would like to see the foil decks introduce new cards like the Commander series did. Would add some extra incentive.
This would really be cool. Not put in Avatar of Woe and replace with something nobody has seen before.
Maybe even a preview of something from an upcoming set.
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Currently Playing: Standard:
Nothing, the format Bores me! Legacy: RBurn (Made on the Cheap!)R RGBelcherRG WSoldier StompyW BReanimatorB EDH: BUGRWSliver OverlordWRGUB BGeth, Lord of the VaultB
While there are lots of cards I could put on a wish list for this deck, we have to think about it being a playable deck and one that WotC thinks will appeal to lots of players. We should expect something like 2x Reassembling Skeletons, since it's on flavour, playable in the current standard, and an uncommon. What other Standard (and Modern) legal cards might we see? And what common-rarity cards should we expect to see?
If there is no Jin Gitaxias, Core Augur I will be shocked. It's basically the reason Reanimator is a deck in Legacy.
I'm hoping for 1-ofs of most of the staple non-rare reanimator spells (exhume, reanimate), as well as some targeted/symmetric discard. There will also be enabler creatures to facilitate discard, based on the appearance of avatar (they expect you to be able to meet the alt-CC somehow). Don't forget that these decks generally have 1 "mythic" (Entomb) and 5-8 "rares" (likely 6). As such, I expect most of the rares to be the fatties - we've already seen 2, and still need to hit W and G for sure (Terastodon, SSS, Phantom Nishoba, Karmic Guide, and Blazing Archon (unlikely) would be my bets as safe rare reprints).
If legacy continues to grow, eventually it will be profitable to counterfit duals, and eventually it will be profitable to counterfit them well enough to pass muster in a tournament... at which point the value will "freeze". We'll see where that point is.
OT: I'm pretty sure that its already profitable to fake duals for tournament usage. The cost of duals (60+/pop) is at the point where the cost of the equipment to produce convincing fakes (pass basic bend/color tests in a tournament setting, not grading tests) approaches that of a playset of duals. Not even a playset of every dual - a playset of a single dual. Beta/CE rebacks would be of particular note here.
Remember also that you can play pretty beat-up cards in tournaments in sleeves; a beatup fake merits a lot less suspicion. I personally wouldn't be all that surprised if ~5% of legacy duals played in tourneys were fake.
Although for the most part shocks should be adequate, considering I only play in local tournaments where there is plently of less then optimal decks.
Eh, the issue is that two life is actually relevant in reanimator since you lose 10 off of casting Reanimate on Jin-Gitaxias... You really don't want to pay another 3 for a single land. Especially in a format where things like [c[Lightning Bolt[/c] see play.
shouldn't the decklist be out by now, it's getting released in 2 weeks
IIRC, we didn't get the list for FtV: Legends until we were a week out. So no, probably not yet, if we're playing by WotC's rules.
That said, I'm killing myself to see the full list too.
I'm definatly going to have to pick up one of these before the prices increase!
You'll have a few months, but yeah this one won't sit on the shelves for years like say Slivers (went to Walmart yesterday and still saw one setting there).
how would having more chance into drawing duals not help?
Pretty sure in a 2 color deck everyone would run 8 instead of 4...
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Currently Playing: Standard:
Nothing, the format Bores me! Legacy: RBurn (Made on the Cheap!)R RGBelcherRG WSoldier StompyW BReanimatorB EDH: BUGRWSliver OverlordWRGUB BGeth, Lord of the VaultB
Agreed. I think Wasteland's popularity cut many people's idea of maximizing dual lands. It got so bad in my area that I just run basics and fetches in anything that's intended for tournaments. No better tech against WL than a good old Basic Land.
how would having more chance into drawing duals not help?
Pretty sure in a 2 color deck everyone would run 8 instead of 4...
In casual you might run 8. Even in Modern, Zoo was only running about 6 shocks total and that was the highest number I've seen in top lists. Fetches are heavily played, but things like Wasteland, Price of Progress, Anathemancer, Magus of the Moon, Blood Moon, Back to Basics, Tectonic Edge, etc. see significant play. In Modern/Vintage/Legacy, snow duals would directly compete with the originals since you rarely ever see a full set, even in 2 color. They might even tank shocks into the floor since they'd basically be dead outside of casual and possibly even there. Two life is a significant drawback when you have lots of options like filters, pain lands, M10s, and Scars lands with possibly more competition to come. The only thing that makes Shocks unusually awesome is the fetchability.
IIRC, we didn't get the list for FtV: Legends until we were a week out. So no, probably not yet, if we're playing by WotC's rules.
That said, I'm killing myself to see the full list too.
Most decks don't run 4 of a dual and that is why I think legendary duals would be a win for all. Still not better than ABU but functionally the same. You could make them better by adding Grandeur though.
Most decks don't run 4 of a dual and that is why I think legendary duals would be a win for all. Still not better than ABU but functionally the same. You could make them better by adding Grandeur though.
Legendary ABU duals w/grandeur? That sounds amazing!
the way legacy is going at the moment, sac lands are more important then dual lands, not that dual lands are not important, just not being wasted is a big deal.
IM waiting to see the lists before I commit to getting any, im interested in the entombs, but not interested enough that I dont want more value for my money.
I paid 100 for my 4x of these. I've wanted to play Reanimator and I have basically everything else -the Entombs because they are so hard to find my local area.
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You just give 2 color decks 8 duals instead of 4.
Original ABUR duals will still be sought after.
Currently Playing:
Standard:
Nothing, the format Bores me!
Legacy:
RBurn (Made on the Cheap!)R
RGBelcherRG
WSoldier StompyW
BReanimatorB
EDH:
BUGRWSliver OverlordWRGUB
BGeth, Lord of the VaultB
This would really be cool. Not put in Avatar of Woe and replace with something nobody has seen before.
Maybe even a preview of something from an upcoming set.
Currently Playing:
Standard:
Nothing, the format Bores me!
Legacy:
RBurn (Made on the Cheap!)R
RGBelcherRG
WSoldier StompyW
BReanimatorB
EDH:
BUGRWSliver OverlordWRGUB
BGeth, Lord of the VaultB
If there is no Jin Gitaxias, Core Augur I will be shocked. It's basically the reason Reanimator is a deck in Legacy.
OT: I'm pretty sure that its already profitable to fake duals for tournament usage. The cost of duals (60+/pop) is at the point where the cost of the equipment to produce convincing fakes (pass basic bend/color tests in a tournament setting, not grading tests) approaches that of a playset of duals. Not even a playset of every dual - a playset of a single dual. Beta/CE rebacks would be of particular note here.
Remember also that you can play pretty beat-up cards in tournaments in sleeves; a beatup fake merits a lot less suspicion. I personally wouldn't be all that surprised if ~5% of legacy duals played in tourneys were fake.
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Modern
UBG B/U/G control
BBB MBC
WUR Control
WWW Prison
RRR Goblins
Legacy
BBB Pox
UBG B/U/G Control
UWU StoneBlade
UW Miracle Control
That would have no effect at all.
Yah, that little detail, 120$ duals, heh.
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Although for the most part shocks should be adequate, considering I only play in local tournaments where there is plently of less then optimal decks.
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Modern
UBG B/U/G control
BBB MBC
WUR Control
WWW Prison
RRR Goblins
Legacy
BBB Pox
UBG B/U/G Control
UWU StoneBlade
UW Miracle Control
Eh, the issue is that two life is actually relevant in reanimator since you lose 10 off of casting Reanimate on Jin-Gitaxias... You really don't want to pay another 3 for a single land. Especially in a format where things like [c[Lightning Bolt[/c] see play.
WUBRGProgenitusWUBRG
URGAnimar Soul of ElementsURG
UBGThe MiemoplasmUBG
IIRC, we didn't get the list for FtV: Legends until we were a week out. So no, probably not yet, if we're playing by WotC's rules.
That said, I'm killing myself to see the full list too.
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You'll have a few months, but yeah this one won't sit on the shelves for years like say Slivers (went to Walmart yesterday and still saw one setting there).
how would having more chance into drawing duals not help?
Pretty sure in a 2 color deck everyone would run 8 instead of 4...
Currently Playing:
Standard:
Nothing, the format Bores me!
Legacy:
RBurn (Made on the Cheap!)R
RGBelcherRG
WSoldier StompyW
BReanimatorB
EDH:
BUGRWSliver OverlordWRGUB
BGeth, Lord of the VaultB
In casual you might run 8. Even in Modern, Zoo was only running about 6 shocks total and that was the highest number I've seen in top lists. Fetches are heavily played, but things like Wasteland, Price of Progress, Anathemancer, Magus of the Moon, Blood Moon, Back to Basics, Tectonic Edge, etc. see significant play. In Modern/Vintage/Legacy, snow duals would directly compete with the originals since you rarely ever see a full set, even in 2 color. They might even tank shocks into the floor since they'd basically be dead outside of casual and possibly even there. Two life is a significant drawback when you have lots of options like filters, pain lands, M10s, and Scars lands with possibly more competition to come. The only thing that makes Shocks unusually awesome is the fetchability.
don't kill yourself, there is no animate dead IRL
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Legendary ABU duals w/grandeur? That sounds amazing!
They'll never see print, but I would LOVE that!
Jesus would like to have a word with you
I paid 100 for my 4x of these. I've wanted to play Reanimator and I have basically everything else -the Entombs because they are so hard to find my local area.
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I always thought this was a stupid card... And I know, okay. Dark Rit, Entomb, Exhume.
Aside from dudes, what am I missing that makes this card $40?