It wouldn't be good ramp, tapping 4 for a single land? Not complaining about it, but that is pretty inefficient if you are playing it for the ramp part.
Oh really? Explore costs 2 now while that draws a card it still is in essence the same style of ramp. And standard hard counterspells cost 3. Meaning that if you take half of explores cost and add it to the counterspell it would be considered efficient. You dont play it for the ramp part, youd play it to help you get from 4 to 5 or from 3 to 4.
EX.
T1 land birds
T2 land ramp (Cultivate or rampant growth, or better lotus cobra pre land then rampant growth)
T3 land draw go... counterspell lays a land
i mean it seems pretty good in a u/g ramp deck idk what world you live on but that is as efficient as you can be w/o being broken.
(Hope it's not against the rules to bring a thread back like this,) but Aaron Forsythe talking to Pat Chapin and Ray on ggslive at GP Pittsburgh just confirmed that the card is in Innistrad, is NOT based on the original land design and is in fact a rare creature.
The original design is insane. Extremely powerful at it's current state, and would be one of the easiest recurable counters that can only be countered by stifling effects. If this design gets printed, I can see some crazy decks with Crucible and Trade Routes in modern magic with this land, and make some sick GU control-dredge deck, though still probably unplayable in Legacy. Thank god it's discard and not cycle 'cause all hell would break lose at that point.
This is what I'm hoping for. I can throw it in as a one of in my gifts rock deck...although at the point it isn't much better than engineered explosives at creating a lock since Maro is pushing creatures to heavily in modern.
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(Hope it's not against the rules to bring a thread back like this,) but Aaron Forsythe talking to Pat Chapin and Ray on ggslive at GP Pittsburgh just confirmed that the card is in Innistrad, is NOT based on the original land design and is in fact a rare creature.
So they just woke up and realized how good it was and moved it onto another, less-easly-broken type-slot. I still don't care of it much cause it's RARE card and if it's really good it will cost too much in $$$ for me to care about it.
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(Hope it's not against the rules to bring a thread back like this,) but Aaron Forsythe talking to Pat Chapin and Ray on ggslive at GP Pittsburgh just confirmed that the card is in Innistrad, is NOT based on the original land design and is in fact a rare creature.
Is there an archive anywhere with the parts where Forsythe is on stream from either today or yesterday?
The article that was put up today explaining the new and returning mechanics maintained that only instants and sorceries will have flashback, so it doesn't look like it.
The article that was put up today explaining the new and returning mechanics maintained that only instants and sorceries will have flashback, so it doesn't look like it.
as it is currently ruled, only instants and sorceries make sense with flashback, because they are exiled when they leave the stack. if a creature or any permanent had flashback, it would never reach play. (not that it couldnt be done, espescially if the creature had a cast trigger like emrakul, so i wont put it past wizards) but lands can not be cast, and thus will not be able to have flashback without rewriting the rules.
(Hope it's not against the rules to bring a thread back like this,) but Aaron Forsythe talking to Pat Chapin and Ray on ggslive at GP Pittsburgh just confirmed that the card is in Innistrad, is NOT based on the original land design and is in fact a rare creature.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU----
I was so stoked to play counterspells and still play 37 Lands
I don't know if you guys know this but there is a card in Modern / Legacy called Life from the Loam that would have to be banned if his original card was printed. You could set up a semi-hard lock with that especially with Gifts Ungiven.
I don't know if you guys know this but there is a card in Modern / Legacy called card name omitted that would have to be banned if his original card was printed.
Don't say things like that! Wizards reads our posts, and we don't need them going around banning all our fun cards for no good reason! Besides, whoever relies this combo will mill themselves before winning anyway.
Don't say things like that! Wizards reads our posts, and we don't need them going around banning all our fun cards for no good reason! Besides, whoever relies this combo will mill themselves before winning anyway.
and if any of the flashback cards wind up good, or even if a lock wound up strong enough to just win through Vengevines milling half your deck wouldn't be such a terrible thing.
Take your monoblack deck, then set aside 14 swamps. Add 4 Creeping Tar Pits, 4 Darkslick Shores, 4 Drowned Catacombs, and 2 Jwar isle Refuge and add 4 Jace, the Mindsculptors. Your monoblack deck is instantly better. Better yet, drop those refuges, throw in some islands and some mana leaks, and lo and behold, you're now playing a real deck. Congratulations. Welcome to the world of competitive M:TG.
(Hope it's not against the rules to bring a thread back like this,) but Aaron Forsythe talking to Pat Chapin and Ray on ggslive at GP Pittsburgh just confirmed that the card is in Innistrad, is NOT based on the original land design and is in fact a rare creature.
An artifact version of Mystic Snake would be awesome, and perfectly timed.
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I like how Maro says is was changed 'for the better'.
I doubt it, because the original card was of a very solid power level, and was very elegantly designed. They could have very easily just printed it as is.
When Maro says 'for the better' and tells us that the card is now a creature, I can only assume that he means that it is 'for the better' of the millions of yugioh chumps that play Magic now and are obsessed with playing creatures constantly.
Idk they may have. Look at Solemn Simulacrum. Originally a UG card, that would have been in very niche decks. I am sure the reason the player designed it like that was to fit it into the color roles. Development then took a great card and made it better by making it into an artifact which could fit any deck.
It could be they made it cost a bit less. Maybe the same as a cancel to counter instead of 4. Or maybe instead of colorless it adds an actual colored mana. Who knows, but I would give the devs some credit.
I like how Maro says is was changed 'for the better'.
I doubt it, because the original card was of a very solid power level, and was very elegantly designed. They could have very easily just printed it as is.
When Maro says 'for the better' and tells us that the card is now a creature, I can only assume that he means that it is 'for the better' of the millions of yugioh chumps that play Magic now and are obsessed with playing creatures constantly.
I guess if by "solid power level" you meant "format dominating"
It's a counter spell with virtually no opportunity cost, how hard is it to understand that? Would you be fine with a colorless land that could also be played as an uncounterable 4 damage burn spell for 5 mana? How about a colorless land that you can also play to see an opponent's hand and make them discard a card of your choice for 3 mana? Or are those not ok because they wouldn't be blue?
It has been improved in that it is hopefully no longer broken. It's hilarious to me that so many people seem to be in denial of the fact that Chan was trying to create an absurdly powerful card with his design. Not to mention the life from the loam issues that have been mentioned previously.
Oh really? Explore costs 2 now while that draws a card it still is in essence the same style of ramp. And standard hard counterspells cost 3. Meaning that if you take half of explores cost and add it to the counterspell it would be considered efficient. You dont play it for the ramp part, youd play it to help you get from 4 to 5 or from 3 to 4.
EX.
T1 land birds
T2 land ramp (Cultivate or rampant growth, or better lotus cobra pre land then rampant growth)
T3 land draw go... counterspell lays a land
i mean it seems pretty good in a u/g ramp deck idk what world you live on but that is as efficient as you can be w/o being broken.
UW UW Gideon Control WU
UWR Loose Control RWU
GR Scapeshift RG
RU Storm UR
Not that broken. Ertai, Wizard Adept is better than that, and he's not considered broken.
EDIT: oh, you meant as a land. hmm...that's a different story.
This is what I'm hoping for. I can throw it in as a one of in my gifts rock deck...although at the point it isn't much better than engineered explosives at creating a lock since Maro is pushing creatures to heavily in modern.
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So they just woke up and realized how good it was and moved it onto another, less-easly-broken type-slot. I still don't care of it much cause it's RARE card and if it's really good it will cost too much in $$$ for me to care about it.
A "fixed" voidmage prodigy?
Or, knowing the way wizards is handling things now, maybe it's a land during the day that transforms into a counterspell at night.
Except it's not
Is there an archive anywhere with the parts where Forsythe is on stream from either today or yesterday?
The article that was put up today explaining the new and returning mechanics maintained that only instants and sorceries will have flashback, so it doesn't look like it.
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it'll probably provide some form of ...wait for it... card advantage
It's not in this set if that's true because we know all the names and cmc of all the double cards.
as it is currently ruled, only instants and sorceries make sense with flashback, because they are exiled when they leave the stack. if a creature or any permanent had flashback, it would never reach play. (not that it couldnt be done, espescially if the creature had a cast trigger like emrakul, so i wont put it past wizards) but lands can not be cast, and thus will not be able to have flashback without rewriting the rules.
http://www.twitch.tv/ggslive/b/293707201
Forsythe shows up on camera around 30 minutes in and that's when they start talking about Innistrad rather than the feature match.
EDIT: Flicking around I see that they might have started talking a bit earlier, but off camera during the Chapin/Wrapter feature match.
UW UW Gideon Control WU
UWR Loose Control RWU
GR Scapeshift RG
RU Storm UR
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU----
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The card I described made no sense.
Don't say things like that! Wizards reads our posts, and we don't need them going around banning all our fun cards for no good reason! Besides, whoever relies this combo will mill themselves before winning anyway.
and if any of the flashback cards wind up good, or even if a lock wound up strong enough to just win through Vengevines milling half your deck wouldn't be such a terrible thing.
An artifact version of Mystic Snake would be awesome, and perfectly timed.
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I doubt it, because the original card was of a very solid power level, and was very elegantly designed. They could have very easily just printed it as is.
When Maro says 'for the better' and tells us that the card is now a creature, I can only assume that he means that it is 'for the better' of the millions of yugioh chumps that play Magic now and are obsessed with playing creatures constantly.
It could be they made it cost a bit less. Maybe the same as a cancel to counter instead of 4. Or maybe instead of colorless it adds an actual colored mana. Who knows, but I would give the devs some credit.
I guess if by "solid power level" you meant "format dominating"
It's a counter spell with virtually no opportunity cost, how hard is it to understand that? Would you be fine with a colorless land that could also be played as an uncounterable 4 damage burn spell for 5 mana? How about a colorless land that you can also play to see an opponent's hand and make them discard a card of your choice for 3 mana? Or are those not ok because they wouldn't be blue?
It has been improved in that it is hopefully no longer broken. It's hilarious to me that so many people seem to be in denial of the fact that Chan was trying to create an absurdly powerful card with his design. Not to mention the life from the loam issues that have been mentioned previously.