I think the reason Primeval Titan is worth so much is because he has unlimited potential. He can fetch any two lands meaning any lands wizards prints in the future are also game. He also pushes an archetype that everyone wants to be good. I think that everyone is a Timmy at heart and would love to bash some faces in with huge creatures if they were able... or maybe that's just me. However, is he worth $44, not in my opinion.
why do people judge everything off of top 8s in events that have non constructed portions? like how many events does there need to be for people to realize this
This scenario is not realistic whatsoever. Moreover, UW Sun Titan control is a far better deck than any Primeval either fits into, or is built around. The French Nats had the best players, and no Primevals hit top 8, whereas multiple Sun Titans did. I would advise not to evaluate cards in a vacuum.
So your irrealistic scenario vs mine:
Turn 1 Elf/bop/hierarch
Turn 2 Cobra, play land+cobra
Turn 3 Cobra, play fetch, Play SUN Titan, return fetch, play another titan, return the fetch play destructive force. GG
I can't wait for people to realize this card is going to be like Gideon. SUPER DUPER AWESOME AT FIRST AND GOES INTO ANY DECK WITH THE SAME COLOR AS IT! Then realize like two months later that it's not a 50 dollar card...
I love the card it's awesome it's not even close to 50 dollars awesome. I'd say it's exactly similar to Gideon, it's around 30, does that mean it's not going to win games like BSA? Well.. It literally doesn't win the game on it's own like BSA, it helps because you do dumb stuff like destructive force then you win because he's a 6/6.
He's good and I'm going to start next week off with a UGR Titan Force deck at my local FNM and find out exactly how good it is.
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I can't wait for people to realize this card is going to be like Gideon. SUPER DUPER AWESOME AT FIRST AND GOES INTO ANY DECK WITH THE SAME COLOR AS IT! Then realize like two months later that it's not a 50 dollar card...
I love the card it's awesome it's not even close to 50 dollars awesome. I'd say it's exactly similar to Gideon, it's around 30, does that mean it's not going to win games like BSA? Well.. It literally doesn't win the game on it's own like BSA, it helps because you do dumb stuff like destructive force then you win because he's a 6/6.
He's good and I'm going to start next week off with a UGR Titan Force deck at my local FNM and find out exactly how good it is.
While I agree with this in general, the main issue is the fact he IS that good. He's definitely not a $50 bill good. Even if he stops seeing play in Constructed all together, he'll still be sitting around $15-$20 for the EDH and casual players alone (Doubling Season anyone? How much competitive play did that see? [I ran it in my tournament winning deck.]).
At worst he's "I'll just grab at minimum two basics out of my deck, since I just bought a playset of Titans, it's all I can afford." At best, he's, well...the options are unlimited.
While I agree with this in general, the main issue is the fact he IS that good. He's definitely not a $50 bill good. Even if he stops seeing play in Constructed all together, he'll still be sitting around $15-$20 for the EDH and casual players alone (Doubling Season anyone? How much competitive play did that see? [I ran it in my tournament winning deck.]).
At worst he's "I'll just grab at minimum two basics out of my deck, since I just bought a playset of Titans, it's all I can afford." At best, he's, well...the options are unlimited.
No I agree, but I still think we will find out that we'd rather get 4 more power of creatures each turn rather than two lands. But of course they are different cards and different colors and different decks each goes into. I'd honestly rather Have a Grave Titan over a Primeval Titan *when money isn't part of it* But he also has the Lotus Cobra effect where he's either really good or he's really mediocre. Like he's good but I think BSA is overall a better card and I'm glad to see that card get down in price, hopefully we will realize that there are plenty of other cards in this format that need to do the same.
But I'm going to be playing the new Titan Force deck and see how he works out paired with the blue titan.
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WOW i do not play mtg for 1 month, and this is what I find when I come back!
titan at 55 bucks?
Why? just for ramp or those valakut tricks? Could someone tell me where it is played? thanx!
RGx destructive force, U/G Turboland (which was already picking up before Titan hit) and RG Valakut Ramp seem to be the main decks using him, but he'd already been massively hyped before he ever made it into a T8 list.
I know, it's ridiculous. I've witnessed its price skyrocket for the last month and am as shocked as you are.
It's a perfect example of how Wizards is going awry with the mythic rarity. Primeval Titan is not "worth" anywhere near the prices it's fetching at the moment; however, because M11 came out right before Nationals, there was a huge surge of people trying to get a hold of them for various decks that use them. They're absolutely a powerful card, and I wish I had a playset to use, but this is plain and simple a matter of supply and demand. If the Titans were a rare cycle, they'd be fetching $15 right now. Hell, if Nationals wasn't a week or two after the M11 release they'd probably be a lot cheaper too..
I got a box the other day and got this and thought nothing of it. WHY is this higher than Baneslayer? At best it fixes your mana base when he hits then thins your deck. You SHOULD have plenty of land by the time he's out anyway. Could be interesting in a UG control deck.
Either way, I better trade it fast before the price plummets.
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I got a box the other day and got this and thought nothing of it. WHY is this higher than Baneslayer? At best it fixes your mana base when he hits then thins your deck. You SHOULD have plenty of land by the time he's out anyway. Could be interesting in a UG control deck.
Either way, I better trade it fast before the price plummets.
Baneslayer doesn't create card advantage the second it hits the field. Every top tier deck has an answer for Baneslayer. Even if the deck does have an answer for Primeval Titan, you'll probably be up two Valakuts, which puts you in a great position to win the game.
Also, there are a lot more Baneslayers now that it's been printed in two sets, resulting in higher supply which lowers the price a considerable amount.
All the removal other colours play to kill Baneslayer also kill Primeval Titan, with the exception of green minus Deathtouch.
Yeah, but Baneslayer doesn't have an ETB ability that puts you ahead.
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All the removal other colours play to kill Baneslayer also kill Primeval Titan, with the exception of green minus Deathtouch.
A better comparison would be Primeval Titan and Vengevine
Did you even read my post? You know, the part where the Titan fetches you two lands when it hits the field? Even if your titan gets killed, you're still up two lands. If your Baneslayer gets killed, then you're not up, and you've done a 1:1 trade.
I got a box the other day and got this and thought nothing of it. WHY is this higher than Baneslayer? At best it fixes your mana base when he hits then thins your deck. You SHOULD have plenty of land by the time he's out anyway. Could be interesting in a UG control deck.
Either way, I better trade it fast before the price plummets.
It depends on the deck. Baneslayer is more of a standalone card. Titan is more of a combo card or at least a card which plays best off of synergies.
I have decks where I would run titan, but not slayer, and vice versa. But it's probably very high because it is in a number of decks which are capable of performing very well which are utilizing him: destructive force, valkut titan, and turbo land.
Slayer isn't as heavily played as it was before.
Titan also does more than fix your land. You'd be correct if he only fetched basic, but he fetches nonbasic as well which can be valkuts, or just useful stuff like collonades, wildwoods, mystifying maze and tec edges. He generates CA, and thins your deck really aggressively increasing your chances of drawing more gas. He also ramps like no ones business. You are aware that people are running creatures which cost 8, 9, 10, 12, and 15 mana in constructed standard decks?
He makes playing cards like iona, steel wind sphinx, dark steel collosus, and eldrazi titans via hardcast a cakewalk.
This is why he is so expensive of a card because he is amenable to different strategies, and he does different things. It's really more utility than BSA.
Ever since BSA and Jace TMS, people have become so paranoid of missing out on the next $40-$50 card. When Primeval Titan's price started to rise, it freaked out a ton of people and all of a sudden you started seeing people buy the card in a frenzy because of the fear of having to cough up a huge wad of cash if they didn't buy Titan right then and there. Unfortunately, that just triggered a positive feedback loop of dwindling supply --> more people buy Titan --> further decreased supply. End result: Primeval Titan reaches that $50 mark anyway.
As i said before, what makes it the Titan worth $50 when Vengevine is only at $40
Vengevine is easily hosed by certain cards, most of which are 10 to 70 cent cards: relic of progenitus, necrogenesis, bojaka bog, jund charm, suffer the past, ect.
Ok you path / whatever my titan. I still got 2 man lands / tec edges / oran-riefs / whatever out of it. 3 permanents on the board for one spell. Vengevine also is a way to generate CA on the board but it is more narrow.
Titan works with more strategies and is a broader ranged card.
You'll see titan in decks running fewer than 10 critters as well as up to 25+, because it is so versatile.
Vengevine simply is a more limited card which has to be built around to be really good.
I'm not trying to justify its price because I think that 50 for any card in standard is utterly ludicrous, but I'm not the one who invented mythic rares either nor am I the one who engages in the sort of behaviors described by Surging Chaos either.
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Seriously, if you're doubting the power of this card you simply have not playtested with it. I'm not one to comment on prices, but this card is quite powerful in the current standard environment.
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Primeval titan isn't very good because it dies to removal
Yeah, i mean, primeval titan dies to removal. Suppose that your open path to exiles it right away. You just paid 4GG for a basic land, 2 manlands (or other specialty lands, or gargoyle castle), and took the best removal card in the format out of your opponent's hand and made them pay W.
And if it gets condemned, you spent 4GG for the 4 best lands in your deck to be accelerated out of your deck all while thinning your deck.
And what if it gets doom bladed and your running eldrazi green. You spent 4GG for 2 eldrazi temples accelerated out of your deck and making your opponent discard a card relevant.
O, and you can cast whatever eldrazi you want then.
I mean, primeval titan just looks like a duress plus 2 reap and sow. for 4GG.
And what if your opponent day of judgement, you traded 1 card for removing 1 card and getting any 2 lands, and traded 6 mana for 4 mana.
I mean, this guy just dies to removal hard. I don't see why anyone likes him.
I mean, suppose you drop him turn 4. (1 turn behind optimal)
that means that it wont be until turn 5 that you can sacrifice 2 tectonic edges without losing priority to take out 2 of your opponents nonbasic lands and probably setting them back to 2 lands.
The Titan is getting a little out of hand. Not game wise, but hype/monatary wise. A lot of people just want to get their hands on at least *one* of them for EDH, some more than one. At mythic, with hype, with some turnouts from a couple of decks that may or may not stick around for long, it's gonna be hard.
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why do people judge everything off of top 8s in events that have non constructed portions? like how many events does there need to be for people to realize this
So your irrealistic scenario vs mine:
Turn 1 Elf/bop/hierarch
Turn 2 Cobra, play land+cobra
Turn 3 Cobra, play fetch, Play SUN Titan, return fetch, play another titan, return the fetch play destructive force. GG
I love the card it's awesome it's not even close to 50 dollars awesome. I'd say it's exactly similar to Gideon, it's around 30, does that mean it's not going to win games like BSA? Well.. It literally doesn't win the game on it's own like BSA, it helps because you do dumb stuff like destructive force then you win because he's a 6/6.
He's good and I'm going to start next week off with a UGR Titan Force deck at my local FNM and find out exactly how good it is.
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While I agree with this in general, the main issue is the fact he IS that good. He's definitely not a $50 bill good. Even if he stops seeing play in Constructed all together, he'll still be sitting around $15-$20 for the EDH and casual players alone (Doubling Season anyone? How much competitive play did that see? [I ran it in my tournament winning deck.]).
At worst he's "I'll just grab at minimum two basics out of my deck, since I just bought a playset of Titans, it's all I can afford." At best, he's, well...the options are unlimited.
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No I agree, but I still think we will find out that we'd rather get 4 more power of creatures each turn rather than two lands. But of course they are different cards and different colors and different decks each goes into. I'd honestly rather Have a Grave Titan over a Primeval Titan *when money isn't part of it* But he also has the Lotus Cobra effect where he's either really good or he's really mediocre. Like he's good but I think BSA is overall a better card and I'm glad to see that card get down in price, hopefully we will realize that there are plenty of other cards in this format that need to do the same.
But I'm going to be playing the new Titan Force deck and see how he works out paired with the blue titan.
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He's a big part of RGx Destructive Force.
It's a perfect example of how Wizards is going awry with the mythic rarity. Primeval Titan is not "worth" anywhere near the prices it's fetching at the moment; however, because M11 came out right before Nationals, there was a huge surge of people trying to get a hold of them for various decks that use them. They're absolutely a powerful card, and I wish I had a playset to use, but this is plain and simple a matter of supply and demand. If the Titans were a rare cycle, they'd be fetching $15 right now. Hell, if Nationals wasn't a week or two after the M11 release they'd probably be a lot cheaper too..
Either way, I better trade it fast before the price plummets.
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Baneslayer doesn't create card advantage the second it hits the field. Every top tier deck has an answer for Baneslayer. Even if the deck does have an answer for Primeval Titan, you'll probably be up two Valakuts, which puts you in a great position to win the game.
Also, there are a lot more Baneslayers now that it's been printed in two sets, resulting in higher supply which lowers the price a considerable amount.
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A better comparison would be Primeval Titan and Vengevine
Yeah, but Baneslayer doesn't have an ETB ability that puts you ahead.
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Did you even read my post? You know, the part where the Titan fetches you two lands when it hits the field? Even if your titan gets killed, you're still up two lands. If your Baneslayer gets killed, then you're not up, and you've done a 1:1 trade.
It depends on the deck. Baneslayer is more of a standalone card. Titan is more of a combo card or at least a card which plays best off of synergies.
I have decks where I would run titan, but not slayer, and vice versa. But it's probably very high because it is in a number of decks which are capable of performing very well which are utilizing him: destructive force, valkut titan, and turbo land.
Slayer isn't as heavily played as it was before.
Titan also does more than fix your land. You'd be correct if he only fetched basic, but he fetches nonbasic as well which can be valkuts, or just useful stuff like collonades, wildwoods, mystifying maze and tec edges. He generates CA, and thins your deck really aggressively increasing your chances of drawing more gas. He also ramps like no ones business. You are aware that people are running creatures which cost 8, 9, 10, 12, and 15 mana in constructed standard decks?
He makes playing cards like iona, steel wind sphinx, dark steel collosus, and eldrazi titans via hardcast a cakewalk.
This is why he is so expensive of a card because he is amenable to different strategies, and he does different things. It's really more utility than BSA.
As i said before, what makes it the Titan worth $50 when Vengevine is only at $40
Vengevine is easily hosed by certain cards, most of which are 10 to 70 cent cards: relic of progenitus, necrogenesis, bojaka bog, jund charm, suffer the past, ect.
Ok you path / whatever my titan. I still got 2 man lands / tec edges / oran-riefs / whatever out of it. 3 permanents on the board for one spell. Vengevine also is a way to generate CA on the board but it is more narrow.
Titan works with more strategies and is a broader ranged card.
You'll see titan in decks running fewer than 10 critters as well as up to 25+, because it is so versatile.
Vengevine simply is a more limited card which has to be built around to be really good.
I'm not trying to justify its price because I think that 50 for any card in standard is utterly ludicrous, but I'm not the one who invented mythic rares either nor am I the one who engages in the sort of behaviors described by Surging Chaos either.
Valakut
Turboland (Both regular and Eldrazi Edition)
Destructive Force
Are all now easily competitive with this card. If you don't counter it, you're instantly behind, and if it swings? Thats usually the nail in the coffin.
You can look the top of your deck with Halimar Depths, you can fetch Eye of Ugin and Eldrazi Temple. You can fetch Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle which gets rid of the need for Exploration Map (One of the necessary evils of the old build.) It sets you up for an extremely ahead Destructive Force, you can fetch Manlands!
Seriously, if you're doubting the power of this card you simply have not playtested with it. I'm not one to comment on prices, but this card is quite powerful in the current standard environment.
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Yeah, i mean, primeval titan dies to removal. Suppose that your open path to exiles it right away. You just paid 4GG for a basic land, 2 manlands (or other specialty lands, or gargoyle castle), and took the best removal card in the format out of your opponent's hand and made them pay W.
And if it gets condemned, you spent 4GG for the 4 best lands in your deck to be accelerated out of your deck all while thinning your deck.
And what if it gets doom bladed and your running eldrazi green. You spent 4GG for 2 eldrazi temples accelerated out of your deck and making your opponent discard a card relevant.
O, and you can cast whatever eldrazi you want then.
I mean, primeval titan just looks like a duress plus 2 reap and sow. for 4GG.
And what if your opponent day of judgement, you traded 1 card for removing 1 card and getting any 2 lands, and traded 6 mana for 4 mana.
I mean, this guy just dies to removal hard. I don't see why anyone likes him.
I mean, suppose you drop him turn 4. (1 turn behind optimal)
that means that it wont be until turn 5 that you can sacrifice 2 tectonic edges without losing priority to take out 2 of your opponents nonbasic lands and probably setting them back to 2 lands.
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