MTG Salvation

Another red duel deck? I was hoping for GvL part 2 (Veil Cursed and Veil) but if this is BW Sorin, I will see it as a Sorin , emblem, and a bunch of innistrad basic lands. If Markov, well.. on the good side I will be saving some money....

Hopefully the decks of the both of them would be good to support the both of them. It sounds like some good potential fun if there is good support for them

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Another red duel deck? I was hoping for GvL part 2 (Veil Cursed and Veil) but if this is BW Sorin, I will see it as a Sorin , emblem, and a bunch of innistrad basic lands. If Markov, well.. on the good side I will be saving some money....

Wizards doesn't have a good way to include double-faced cards in products besides boosters, so they would have to use Garruk's M12/M13 version in such a deck, unfortunately.

^ I would guess Lingering Souls is a shoe-in, as it works in either Tokens or Control.

Tibalt will probably be demoted to Rare so Bonfire can be in his deck

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Alright, so post-initial reaction response now.

If it's Sorin, Lord blah, then maybe I'll get it, just because I'm starting to love :symw::symb::symr:. But seriously, I don't have a deck for that Sorin, and Tibalt still kinda sucks. Really wish they would've done Tammy.

If Sorin's deck actually does have a Vindicate, then I will buy a copy, lol.

Same about the wedge colors. I did a Vampire & Angel EDH deck. Was pretty wicked.

Tami is a good planeswalker, in both card and character, so there's no conflict between her and Sorin. She just wants to study the moon.

It'll most likely be Lord of Innistrad and Fiendblooded. A bit silly but I wouldn't mind a new card for either or both. And I can understand why it's so late to put this out there. Since it has Tibalt, they were waiting for him to make his actual debut. As well as with the announcing of RtR during AVR they weren't going to bet big money on it so they pushed IvG first. Plus Sorin's deck could benefit from Orzhov.

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And furthermore I don't know whats up with the countless red products: Goblins vs Elves; Jace vs Chandra; Knights vs Dragons; Koth vs Venser and now Sorin vs Tibalt. There was even Fire & Lightning on top of that. Not to speak from all the multicolored Duel Decks including red... too much imho!

You forgot Izzet vs Golgari.

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Leaves me wondering if there is anything coming in Ravnica that is going to make Tibalt playable, because if they designed a DD with him, they must be sure (or take it as high probability) that people would WANT Tibalt...

Tibalt seems like the kind of guy who would feel right at home in Rakdos, flavor-wise. Mechanically, I'm not so sure - if the new Rakdos mechanic involves discard triggers, that would synergize well with Hellbent as well as Tibalt's +1.

They like rubbing it in our faces how many bad res cards they can print.

Maybe an alt art lingering souls? But they have to include something neat.

That being said. They don't make the duel decks for the secondary market. They make them to play them vs each other.

Heres hoping they rush this pile out as fast as they can so we can get something more interesting more quickly.

I get making planeswalkers a focus but why pick this over another guild vs. Guild match up, right now?
This product wouldve been more interesting with innistrads release, not the block after we leave the plane.

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Heres hoping they rush this pile out as fast as they can so we can get something more interesting more quickly.

I get making planeswalkers a focus but why pick this over another guild vs. Guild match up, right now?
This product wouldve been more interesting with innistrads release, not the block after we leave the plane.

Like most problems you hear about, they were still tweaking it so it was probably pushed to a later date.

Also this doesn't come out until March. When RtR block will be close to ending. So it'll hold players over until Sinker comes out. Another thing, they already had Planechase 2012 come out after Innistrad, then they are releasing IvG soon. Not to mention Tibalt didn't debut until AVR.

This gets a big fat "MEH" from me.

I think they like the whole "give you Planeswalkers from previous block thing" and I guess they didn't want to include any of the girls...Garruk was out by default, because they seem to not want to ever include double faced cards in anything besides booster packs (and a few promos) EVER.

If they were going to use Sorin, they really should have used Nissa! The decks could have had an Elves vs Vampires theme...would have been interesting! (yeah, there was already an Elf duel deck, but it was one of the first....AND, the Dragon deck was like half Goblins already.)

Tibalt was already my least favorite Planeswalker, this just digs him even deeper. And that new art? Ugh. It's not even dynamic, there's no tension between the two. Tibalt's all "Hey Sorin! Look at meeeee!" And Sorin's all "What? Go away."


I bet the next Duel Deck will be Gideon vs Ral, I mean, what other choice do they have? If they use the same trend they've been following (standard legal from previous block, no Planeswalkers who already were in a duel deck, no girls...) So...no Jace, no Kiora. I mean, if there's another new Walker in Return to Ravnica Block, it will probably be another human dude, so maybe that will be their other choice?

Is it going to be the old aggro deck vs. control deck, or is Tibalt's deck going to be a combo deck? That'd be refreshing.

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Anyway, there's virtually 0% chance of me getting this. Wizards would have to do something awesome to get my money, and at this point I don't see how they could.

If there is anywhere near the value of IvG in this deck, I'll still totally pick it up. Life from the Loam was such a nice surprise.

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What on earth would they put blood moon in a duel deck for??!

So people don't automatically pull out the red box and throw it in the trash. Leafing through a duel deck full of 10 cent cards for a $2 planeswalker is an act of desperation. For the cost of this duel deck, you could probably get at least 3 playsets of Tibalt.

Sadly, the hope for this being a B/W vs. a Mono red deck is just that, and unlikely to be actually occur. It's more likely they'll mirror each other in mono color.

After reaching page 4 of mostly complaining I skipped the rest. If this is Sorin, Lord of Innistrad vs. Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded I'm totally stoked. I've been pondering a deck with Tibalt for a while, just because everyone whines about him and he's super cheap to buy. I don't really see how discarding is so bad when utilizing madness, flashback, unearth, and hellbent...

That face off art is super sweet.

Yea I'm totally on board for this duel deck. I might fiddle around and come up with fake lists but this really has potential to me.

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Wizards doesn't have a good way to include double-faced cards in products besides boosters, so they would have to use Garruk's M12/M13 version in such a deck, unfortunately.

Actually... This is the product that such an inclusion would be ideal in. The foil already has to be printed on a whole separate sheet from the other cards included in the deck.

Hopefully, they at least splash B so Tibalt can play Rain of Gore ... could work against Sorin ...

finally, a pack that is doesnt not too nice! now i can save some money!

also, this will be the test: can something good be done with tibalt? I dunno what theme they are gonna use, but i'm very sure that drawing tibalt isn't going to be gamebreaking.

How does Sorin not win this? He's like... a million. If they wanted to replicate the real fight between these two, Sorin would get vindicates, and Tibalt would have Lava axes.

I don't know, if Tibalt's deck has Fiery Temper or Violent Eruption it could be pretty fun...

If Madness returns as a Rakdos Mechanic (therefore getting more Red Madness Cards), or something similar, I could see the Tibalt deck getting very interesting. But otherwise the deck will be hard pressed to beat Sorin.

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Let's rage, until we learn that there will be Bonfires and Damnation in it ! : D

But +1, the duels decks & stuff are really bad these days. And don't telle me that it's for "beginners", because playingwith these decks don't make you want to play more ~~
I started the game less than 2 years ago, but because a friend lend me decks, consistent decks, not a lottery card game ~~

I'm sorry, did you read the list for IvG? Those decks are fantastic