yea you're being kind of unreasonable, trying to say the other guy is 'nitpicking' about the definition of 'healthy' because his definition didn't completely match up with yours. if you're gonna use a term to describe something you should try to be sure that the way you're using it is universally accepted.. and i know alot of people here, and wotc itself, has used 'healthy' to describe a format for more than just the amount of people turning out (specifically to describe how 'fun' and 'varied' the decks and choices are).
Just saw this thread and just heard about this at the last FNM.
I can honestly say that this is the first piece of news in the last 18 years regarding this game that has truly surprised me. I NEVER thought Modern would ever be FNM legal.
All I can say is, WOW. Maybe if we can get enough people at our LGS to go for this (though sadly I doubt it) I won't have to "settle" for Standard anymore.
Here's hoping.
Why is this surprising? Extended is legal, after all.
Why is this surprising? Extended is legal, after all.
No one really played Extended outside of PTQ season. Modern is a non-rotating "eternal" format. Not like a "super Standard" format that Extended became (and really was all along).
Much easier to understand the rules of Modern then what is in Extended and so forth.
Did anyone anywhere play an Extended FNM? I'm betting not. But at least now stores have an opportunity to schedule Modern where playerbases demand it. FNM is sometimes the only MTG tournaments stores run.
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"I can't draft objectively unless I am able to guarantee that I receive at least 3 rares. I am also better than most average/new players so I want to make sure that I get the best rares and they end up with worse ones. I care more about the monetary value of cards than actually playing the game for decent prizes."
yea you're being kind of unreasonable, trying to say the other guy is 'nitpicking' about the definition of 'healthy' because his definition didn't completely match up with yours. if you're gonna use a term to describe something you should try to be sure that the way you're using it is universally accepted.. and i know alot of people here, and wotc itself, has used 'healthy' to describe a format for more than just the amount of people turning out (specifically to describe how 'fun' and 'varied' the decks and choices are).
Ummm...you have it backwards. He attacked me for my definition of healthy, THEN I said he was nitpicking. Could you go back and read the post I quoted of his? He jumped on me for "healthy".
Keep in mind that the whole "healthy" debate doesn't even relate to anything in my argument. Here's the post he made;
"No it isn't healthy. Just remember Darksteel, CawBlade, Delvers and now we have Thragtusks in almost every deck. You can't call a format like this "the healthiest".
IMO, the last "Healthy Standard" was during the original Ravnica block.
Then take a look at GP Modern where 7 of 8 decks from the top 8 were different. (2x Jund) "
As you can see, he's the one who got his feathers in a ruffle over my use of the word. Healthy is up for interpretation, and my interpretation makes sense in regards to my argument. And yes, getting hung up on the exact definition of a word is nitpicking when his view of it doesn't even make sense in case I was making . That's not being unreasonable. What is unreasonable is making a comment like yours when you clearly haven't read the entire post. >_<
I'm not looking forward to Modern at FNM. The reasons are purely selfish. I don't get out to play FNM every week so because of family obligations I only get to play in about half of them. If my local store decided to hold a Modern FNM on the weeks I could go I won't have a deck to play, and while I could just bring my Standard deck that's just like bringing a knife to a gun fight, so I probably wouldn't go. I could invest between a couple hundred and a thousand and get a Modern deck that's competitive but that would mean I have that expense and because of my schedule I might not even get to play it all that often if my schedule doesn't allow me to play in the Modern FNM's.
So either I invest in a modern deck that I won't be able to play all the time because of my family obligations or I don't invest in a modern deck and don't play the Modern FNM's on nights I would otherwise be able to play.
Now I understand that people already have modern decks and for them it's not a big deal what they play; they might even prefer modern to standard, but for me, without a pile of money I can spend on a modern deck, I'd be happy if Modern FNM's didn't show up at my local store.
I'm not looking forward to Modern at FNM. The reasons are purely selfish. I don't get out to play FNM every week so because of family obligations I only get to play in about half of them. If my local store decided to hold a Modern FNM on the weeks I could go I won't have a deck to play, and while I could just bring my Standard deck that's just like bringing a knife to a gun fight, so I probably wouldn't go. I could invest between a couple hundred and a thousand and get a Modern deck that's competitive but that would mean I have that expense and because of my schedule I might not even get to play it all that often if my schedule doesn't allow me to play in the Modern FNM's.
So either I invest in a modern deck that I won't be able to play all the time because of my family obligations or I don't invest in a modern deck and don't play the Modern FNM's on nights I would otherwise be able to play.
Now I understand that people already have modern decks and for them it's not a big deal what they play; they might even prefer modern to standard, but for me, without a pile of money I can spend on a modern deck, I'd be happy if Modern FNM's didn't show up at my local store.
maybe it's just me, but i find this to be a misconception of modern
my modern deck cost me less to build than my standard deck. i don't think modern is as difficult to make a decent FNM quality deck as people make it out to be.
maybe it's just me, but i find this to be a misconception of modern
my modern deck cost me less to build than my standard deck. i don't think modern is as difficult to make a decent FNM quality deck as people make it out to be.
You're absolutely right. Sure, the dozen or so top-top netdecks can be costly (some much more so than others) but Modern is a format of immense possibility. The "rogue" or "home brew" deck can be surprisingly effective. Maybe not so much at the top-tier of the pro tour, but most of us are looking to play at FNM and with friends.
You'd be surprised what you can throw together for a few bucks when you have all the dollar and quarter cards of the last nine years or whatever to choose from.
As yet another gentle reminder, WoTC is just moving to sanction Modern as an FNM format - it is not forcing stores to adopt regular Modern FNM's. If there is enough interest locally, a store can now run it and get prize support for it.
There are several potential benefits:
1 - Modern common/uncommon staple FNM promos
2 - Possibly a modern event deck printed, with 2-5 staples per event deck to help push the format (retail 30-45).
3 - Growth of the format as a whole - more interest on a weekly basis may encourage less competitive players to give their local ptq a try, and drag the winter/spring attendance out of the dirt.
The next 7-13 months is going to be very interesting and critical to the success of this format. Large vendors are already gouging on some staples cards right after/before it was announced as a FNM format. I think some competitive stores will of course pick it up at FNM and trickle down will hit other stores. Do the large amount of players that want to get in say, "screw it" and buy deck and create a surge in prices prior to MM? Do they wait out the six months and see what they can snag from MM? Then the variable of exactly how much MM is printed? What happens if it is a small or smaller as projected? Do players so screw Modern at that point, or will the dam finally break on buying into Modern and prices go nuts? How does Wizards respond to all of this after they made a very quick chunk of change off MM?
I could see Modern going on to be the healthy and "cheap" non rotating format they want, or it going down the tubes in a similar fashion as Extended.
I'm not looking forward to Modern at FNM. The reasons are purely selfish. I don't get out to play FNM every week so because of family obligations I only get to play in about half of them. If my local store decided to hold a Modern FNM on the weeks I could go I won't have a deck to play, and while I could just bring my Standard deck that's just like bringing a knife to a gun fight, so I probably wouldn't go. I could invest between a couple hundred and a thousand and get a Modern deck that's competitive but that would mean I have that expense and because of my schedule I might not even get to play it all that often if my schedule doesn't allow me to play in the Modern FNM's.
So either I invest in a modern deck that I won't be able to play all the time because of my family obligations or I don't invest in a modern deck and don't play the Modern FNM's on nights I would otherwise be able to play.
Now I understand that people already have modern decks and for them it's not a big deal what they play; they might even prefer modern to standard, but for me, without a pile of money I can spend on a modern deck, I'd be happy if Modern FNM's didn't show up at my local store.
The reasons you reference for not being excited about Modern are the exact reasons I AM excited about Modern FNM's. I have a 10 month old and rarely go to FNM anymore because I either don't have the standard cards to build a viable standard deck or even if I did, I can't compete with the guys/gals who have 30+ hours a week to devote to testing. Modern gives me a chance to build a few decks play/learn a format that doesn't evolve on a weekly basis and doesn't need $100 lands to function (legacy). I know my jund deck, burn deck, storm deck, etc. is likely always going to at least be playable and I don't have to worry about a rotation devaluing all my stuff. In addition, my need for new cards isn't high and my knowledge of the format won't be outdated next week.
I'll also add, even though I play Jund and realize it's the most expensive deck in the format, there are plenty of competitive decks in the format that are cheap. Storm, Splinter Twin, Martyr Proc and Burn could all win an FNM and probably cost less than the avg. standard deck. Not to mention, three of these 4 give Jund fits!;)
The reasons you reference for not being excited about Modern are the exact reasons I AM excited about Modern FNM's. I have a 10 month old and rarely go to FNM anymore because I either don't have the standard cards to build a viable standard deck or even if I did, I can't compete with the guys/gals who have 30+ hours a week to devote to testing. Modern gives me a chance to build a few decks play/learn a format that doesn't evolve on a weekly basis and doesn't need $100 lands to function (legacy). I know my jund deck, burn deck, storm deck, etc. is likely always going to at least be playable and I don't have to worry about a rotation devaluing all my stuff. In addition, my need for new cards isn't high and my knowledge of the format won't be outdated next week.
I'll also add, even though I play Jund and realize it's the most expensive deck in the format, there are plenty of competitive decks in the format that are cheap. Storm, Splinter Twin, Martyr Proc and Burn could all win an FNM and probably cost less than the avg. standard deck. Not to mention, three of these 4 give Jund fits!;)
That's one of the great aspects of the format, from what I've seen. The cheapest decks there are cheaper than that of standard right now, while you can still shell out $90 for a Tarmy if you want. It doesn't give you a ridiculous competitive edge over everybody else either way. Besides, if you play standard at all, you'll probably have the biggest investment, Shocklands, already.
Martyr Proc is probably going to win a ton of FNMs to start. With everyone new to the format probably playing aggro, nobody's really going to have an easy way to handle such lifegain.
This is pure awesomesauce news but I doubt organizers will want to risk a very low attendance by offering a format that almost nobody has the cards for.
It's all too late.
Modern format was announced at least a year too late, it was that crucial year when Legacy popularity exploded and people invested lots of money in it. When it was announced it was done in a poor way with no tournament support and a terrible banlist that made lots of people wanting to play their favorite cards and decks basically laugh this format off. Then the promised reprints, there were none for years, now finally we got shocklands and nearly a whole year later a new set will increase the availability of Tarmogoyf by like 10%... (I know lots of other nonmythic cards will get much more accessible thanks to MM but it's enough that a few cards remain the formats' barriers of entry)
Reason's why is because I think new players will be still interested to participate in the newest format standard, and they don't have another budget to build modern.
Not a lots of player want to join this format when they see:
$200 in manabase....
Must need $400 to play green tempo decks...the goyfs
4 bob $200...
Geists being $40 piece...
This is pure awesomesauce news but I doubt organizers will want to risk a very low attendance by offering a format that almost nobody has the cards for.
It's all too late.
Modern format was announced at least a year too late, it was that crucial year when Legacy popularity exploded and people invested lots of money in it. When it was announced it was done in a poor way with no tournament support and a terrible banlist that made lots of people wanting to play their favorite cards and decks basically laugh this format off. Then the promised reprints, there were none for years, now finally we got shocklands and nearly a whole year later a new set will increase the availability of Tarmogoyf by like 10%... (I know lots of other nonmythic cards will get much more accessible thanks to MM but it's enough that a few cards remain the formats' barriers of entry)
Modern hasn't even been out for two years.
The banlist has been pretty reasonable and flexible.
They started reprinting some modern stuff within a year and couple months of Modern being announced. Small products like Duel Decks take roughly a year to create and full blown blocks take in the ball park of two years. Do the math and you'll notice reprinting was in the works very early on. Modern Masters very well could have been earlier, but chances are they were waiting to see how things played out. What is the point of a MM style product if the cards are all wrong?
The information we have on the size of the overall run of MM is very muddled. There have been some conflicts on the statements about the size from day one. I'm skeptical myself, but let's actually see what happens.
But reprinting Onslaught fetches is likely to make fetches in general more accessible. I think he's trying to say that fetches are important for Modern, many players feel them out of their price range, and it's too soon to reprint the Zendikar fetches.
Reason's why is because I think new players will be still interested to participate in the newest format standard, and they don't have another budget to build modern.
Not a lots of player want to join this format when they see:
$200 in manabase....
Must need $400 to play green tempo decks...the goyfs
4 bob $200...
Geists being $40 piece...
Pretty comparable prices, deck to deck. Yes, some of the decks in modern are really pricey (the ones with goyf, bob). But look at the spread of playable decks with completely different cards vs the cards that are repeated in multiple decks for standard. Don't have thrag/angel? You have just cut out almost half of the top decks right now. Don't have goyf/bob for modern? Pick any of the 5 decks, don't need them.
Reason's why is because I think new players will be still interested to participate in the newest format standard, and they don't have another budget to build modern.
Not a lots of player want to join this format when they see:
$200 in manabase....
Must need $400 to play green tempo decks...the goyfs
4 bob $200...
Geists being $40 piece...
New players buy cards for a year then the cards rotate out and are worth nothing to the other new players that want to play standard. These new players "quit" by stopping buying new cards.
So , the need for an eternal format arises so these players can still play and trade their cards. Legacy isn't a good eternal format for new players because of reserve list. Modern fixes all these problems. New players can go on hiatus and come back to still playable cards and slowly build a collection over time, wizards can control prices by reprinting whatever.
I predict this is going to work out so much that legacy will go the vintage way.
Reason's why is because I think new players will be still interested to participate in the newest format standard, and they don't have another budget to build modern.
Not a lots of player want to join this format when they see:
$200 in manabase....
Must need $400 to play green tempo decks...the goyfs
4 bob $200...
Geists being $40 piece...
Was it not true Jace the Mind Sculptor topped 200+ before he got banned? Was it not true Goyf started out at 2 dollars and by the time her rotated out of standard he was going for about 200 a shot?
Goyf is actually half of what he costed then... Jace a third.
Bonfire of the Damned topped 50+ and it's come down to 30.
Primeval Titan topped 50 and he's down to 6 bucks..
Garruk Primal Hunter went for 40-50 and he's down to what, 10 bucks?
Zen fetchlands went for 20-40 dollars before they rotated out of standard, and they dropped to 5 bucks each and I got full playsets and traded or sold most because they're topping 30-40 again. No big deal.
It happens, get over it.
Knight of Reliquary was 30-40 dollars before rotating out of standard?
Green does not need Goyf to play. Goyf requires a very specialized deck style to run and the cost of the deck is combined with 12 fetches in the deck with crap cards like a tribal sorcery I won't name to work efficiently. Plus there's various ways to deal with a deck centered around one creature...
Let's go with a Naya build zoo style deck that can win games:
4 Knights of the Rel (they get very big with lands in GY), Kird Apes, Loam Lions, Steppe Lynx, Geopede... Let's not even worry about Goyf. Just combine there guys together and what happens? Add in scapeshift and fetches. The deck can very easilly win without even the need for Goyf. He's just a nice addition. A little memoricide, surgical extraction, slaughter games, or quashlike/eradicatelike/lobotomizelike cards can deal with problem cards. Goyf just makes a nice addition but then you have to revolve the deck around him. 4 cards. A deck that relies on landfalls, lands in play, or major land dumps in the GY is far more versatile and threatening than 4 cards that are barely better than a craw wurm.
Then there's a good combo elf deck that costs less than 100 bucks and it can and will win games. Don't discount elf tribal. Same with merfolk tribal.
GoST will drop to about 10 bucks when he rotates out, I guarantee it.
Was it not true Jace the Mind Sculptor topped 200+ before he got banned? Was it not true Goyf started out at 2 dollars and by the time her rotated out of standard he was going for about 200 a shot?
Goyf is actually half of what he costed then... Jace a third.
Bonfire of the Damned topped 50+ and it's come down to 30.
Primeval Titan topped 50 and he's down to 6 bucks..
Garruk Primal Hunter went for 40-50 and he's down to what, 10 bucks?
Zen fetchlands went for 20-40 dollars before they rotated out of standard, and they dropped to 5 bucks each and I got full playsets and traded or sold most because they're topping 30-40 again. No big deal.
It happens, get over it.
Knight of Reliquary was 30-40 dollars before rotating out of standard?
Green does not need Goyf to play. Goyf requires a very specialized deck style to run and the cost of the deck is combined with 12 fetches in the deck with crap cards like a tribal sorcery I won't name to work efficiently. Plus there's various ways to deal with a deck centered around one creature...
Let's go with a Naya build zoo style deck that can win games:
4 Knights of the Rel (they get very big with lands in GY), Kird Apes, Loam Lions, Steppe Lynx, Geopede... Let's not even worry about Goyf. Just combine there guys together and what happens? Add in scapeshift and fetches. The deck can very easilly win without even the need for Goyf. He's just a nice addition. A little memoricide, surgical extraction, slaughter games, or quashlike/eradicatelike/lobotomizelike cards can deal with problem cards. Goyf just makes a nice addition but then you have to revolve the deck around him. 4 cards. A deck that relies on landfalls, lands in play, or major land dumps in the GY is far more versatile and threatening than 4 cards that are barely better than a craw wurm.
Then there's a good combo elf deck that costs less than 100 bucks and it can and will win games. Don't discount elf tribal. Same with merfolk tribal.
GoST will drop to about 10 bucks when he rotates out, I guarantee it.
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Was it not true Jace the Mind Sculptor topped 200+ before he got banned?
he topped out at $120
Was it not true Goyf started out at 2 dollars and by the time her rotated out of standard he was going for about 200 a shot?
- Goyf was never more then his current peak ($100)
Goyf is actually half of what he costed then... Jace a third.
- this is also not true
Bonfire of the Damned topped 50+ and it's come down to 30.
- this is true!
Primeval Titan topped 50 and he's down to 6 bucks..
- this is also true!
Garruk Primal Hunter went for 40-50 and he's down to what, 10 bucks?
- were on a role!
Zen fetchlands went for 20-40 dollars before they rotated out of standard, and they dropped to 5 bucks each
- this isnt entirely true . fetches never dropped below $10 at least the blue ones. so you mustve gotten some sweet deals!
and I got full playsets and traded or sold most because they're topping 30-40 again. No big deal.
It happens, get over it.
- nice! you did get sweet deals!
Knight of Reliquary was 30-40 dollars before rotating out of standard?
- Knight was never more then $20
Green does not need Goyf to play. Goyf requires a very specialized deck style to run and the cost of the deck is combined with 12 fetches in the deck with crap cards like a tribal sorcery I won't name to work efficiently. Plus there's various ways to deal with a deck centered around one creature...
Let's go with a Naya build zoo style deck that can win games:
4 Knights of the Rel (they get very big with lands in GY), Kird Apes, Loam Lions, Steppe Lynx, Geopede... Let's not even worry about Goyf. Just combine there guys together and what happens? Add in scapeshift and fetches. The deck can very easilly win without even the need for Goyf. He's just a nice addition. A little memoricide, surgical extraction, slaughter games, or quashlike/eradicatelike/lobotomizelike cards can deal with problem cards. Goyf just makes a nice addition but then you have to revolve the deck around him. 4 cards. A deck that relies on landfalls, lands in play, or major land dumps in the GY is far more versatile and threatening than 4 cards that are barely better than a craw wurm.
Then there's a good combo elf deck that costs less than 100 bucks and it can and will win games. Don't discount elf tribal. Same with merfolk tribal.
GoST will drop to about 10 bucks when he rotates out, I guarantee it.
- youve been wrong before so ill look for guarantees elsewhere. and how does this affect modern being a playable fnm format?
Why is this surprising? Extended is legal, after all.
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No one really played Extended outside of PTQ season. Modern is a non-rotating "eternal" format. Not like a "super Standard" format that Extended became (and really was all along).
Much easier to understand the rules of Modern then what is in Extended and so forth.
Did anyone anywhere play an Extended FNM? I'm betting not. But at least now stores have an opportunity to schedule Modern where playerbases demand it. FNM is sometimes the only MTG tournaments stores run.
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Ummm...you have it backwards. He attacked me for my definition of healthy, THEN I said he was nitpicking. Could you go back and read the post I quoted of his? He jumped on me for "healthy".
Keep in mind that the whole "healthy" debate doesn't even relate to anything in my argument. Here's the post he made;
"No it isn't healthy. Just remember Darksteel, CawBlade, Delvers and now we have Thragtusks in almost every deck. You can't call a format like this "the healthiest".
IMO, the last "Healthy Standard" was during the original Ravnica block.
Then take a look at GP Modern where 7 of 8 decks from the top 8 were different. (2x Jund) "
As you can see, he's the one who got his feathers in a ruffle over my use of the word. Healthy is up for interpretation, and my interpretation makes sense in regards to my argument. And yes, getting hung up on the exact definition of a word is nitpicking when his view of it doesn't even make sense in case I was making . That's not being unreasonable. What is unreasonable is making a comment like yours when you clearly haven't read the entire post. >_<
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So either I invest in a modern deck that I won't be able to play all the time because of my family obligations or I don't invest in a modern deck and don't play the Modern FNM's on nights I would otherwise be able to play.
Now I understand that people already have modern decks and for them it's not a big deal what they play; they might even prefer modern to standard, but for me, without a pile of money I can spend on a modern deck, I'd be happy if Modern FNM's didn't show up at my local store.
maybe it's just me, but i find this to be a misconception of modern
my modern deck cost me less to build than my standard deck. i don't think modern is as difficult to make a decent FNM quality deck as people make it out to be.
You're absolutely right. Sure, the dozen or so top-top netdecks can be costly (some much more so than others) but Modern is a format of immense possibility. The "rogue" or "home brew" deck can be surprisingly effective. Maybe not so much at the top-tier of the pro tour, but most of us are looking to play at FNM and with friends.
You'd be surprised what you can throw together for a few bucks when you have all the dollar and quarter cards of the last nine years or whatever to choose from.
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There are several potential benefits:
1 - Modern common/uncommon staple FNM promos
2 - Possibly a modern event deck printed, with 2-5 staples per event deck to help push the format (retail 30-45).
3 - Growth of the format as a whole - more interest on a weekly basis may encourage less competitive players to give their local ptq a try, and drag the winter/spring attendance out of the dirt.
I could see Modern going on to be the healthy and "cheap" non rotating format they want, or it going down the tubes in a similar fashion as Extended.
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The reasons you reference for not being excited about Modern are the exact reasons I AM excited about Modern FNM's. I have a 10 month old and rarely go to FNM anymore because I either don't have the standard cards to build a viable standard deck or even if I did, I can't compete with the guys/gals who have 30+ hours a week to devote to testing. Modern gives me a chance to build a few decks play/learn a format that doesn't evolve on a weekly basis and doesn't need $100 lands to function (legacy). I know my jund deck, burn deck, storm deck, etc. is likely always going to at least be playable and I don't have to worry about a rotation devaluing all my stuff. In addition, my need for new cards isn't high and my knowledge of the format won't be outdated next week.
I'll also add, even though I play Jund and realize it's the most expensive deck in the format, there are plenty of competitive decks in the format that are cheap. Storm, Splinter Twin, Martyr Proc and Burn could all win an FNM and probably cost less than the avg. standard deck. Not to mention, three of these 4 give Jund fits!;)
That's one of the great aspects of the format, from what I've seen. The cheapest decks there are cheaper than that of standard right now, while you can still shell out $90 for a Tarmy if you want. It doesn't give you a ridiculous competitive edge over everybody else either way. Besides, if you play standard at all, you'll probably have the biggest investment, Shocklands, already.
Martyr Proc is probably going to win a ton of FNMs to start. With everyone new to the format probably playing aggro, nobody's really going to have an easy way to handle such lifegain.
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It's all too late.
Modern format was announced at least a year too late, it was that crucial year when Legacy popularity exploded and people invested lots of money in it. When it was announced it was done in a poor way with no tournament support and a terrible banlist that made lots of people wanting to play their favorite cards and decks basically laugh this format off. Then the promised reprints, there were none for years, now finally we got shocklands and nearly a whole year later a new set will increase the availability of Tarmogoyf by like 10%... (I know lots of other nonmythic cards will get much more accessible thanks to MM but it's enough that a few cards remain the formats' barriers of entry)
Reason's why is because I think new players will be still interested to participate in the newest format standard, and they don't have another budget to build modern.
Not a lots of player want to join this format when they see:
$200 in manabase....
Must need $400 to play green tempo decks...the goyfs
4 bob $200...
Geists being $40 piece...
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Modern hasn't even been out for two years.
The banlist has been pretty reasonable and flexible.
They started reprinting some modern stuff within a year and couple months of Modern being announced. Small products like Duel Decks take roughly a year to create and full blown blocks take in the ball park of two years. Do the math and you'll notice reprinting was in the works very early on. Modern Masters very well could have been earlier, but chances are they were waiting to see how things played out. What is the point of a MM style product if the cards are all wrong?
The information we have on the size of the overall run of MM is very muddled. There have been some conflicts on the statements about the size from day one. I'm skeptical myself, but let's actually see what happens.
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Junk Tokens - 2nd place GP Charleston
4-color reanimator - 5th place gp Charleston
Pretty comparable prices, deck to deck. Yes, some of the decks in modern are really pricey (the ones with goyf, bob). But look at the spread of playable decks with completely different cards vs the cards that are repeated in multiple decks for standard. Don't have thrag/angel? You have just cut out almost half of the top decks right now. Don't have goyf/bob for modern? Pick any of the 5 decks, don't need them.
New players buy cards for a year then the cards rotate out and are worth nothing to the other new players that want to play standard. These new players "quit" by stopping buying new cards.
So , the need for an eternal format arises so these players can still play and trade their cards. Legacy isn't a good eternal format for new players because of reserve list. Modern fixes all these problems. New players can go on hiatus and come back to still playable cards and slowly build a collection over time, wizards can control prices by reprinting whatever.
I predict this is going to work out so much that legacy will go the vintage way.
Was it not true Jace the Mind Sculptor topped 200+ before he got banned? Was it not true Goyf started out at 2 dollars and by the time her rotated out of standard he was going for about 200 a shot?
Goyf is actually half of what he costed then... Jace a third.
Bonfire of the Damned topped 50+ and it's come down to 30.
Primeval Titan topped 50 and he's down to 6 bucks..
Garruk Primal Hunter went for 40-50 and he's down to what, 10 bucks?
Zen fetchlands went for 20-40 dollars before they rotated out of standard, and they dropped to 5 bucks each and I got full playsets and traded or sold most because they're topping 30-40 again. No big deal.
It happens, get over it.
Knight of Reliquary was 30-40 dollars before rotating out of standard?
Green does not need Goyf to play. Goyf requires a very specialized deck style to run and the cost of the deck is combined with 12 fetches in the deck with crap cards like a tribal sorcery I won't name to work efficiently. Plus there's various ways to deal with a deck centered around one creature...
Let's go with a Naya build zoo style deck that can win games:
4 Knights of the Rel (they get very big with lands in GY), Kird Apes, Loam Lions, Steppe Lynx, Geopede... Let's not even worry about Goyf. Just combine there guys together and what happens? Add in scapeshift and fetches. The deck can very easilly win without even the need for Goyf. He's just a nice addition. A little memoricide, surgical extraction, slaughter games, or quashlike/eradicatelike/lobotomizelike cards can deal with problem cards. Goyf just makes a nice addition but then you have to revolve the deck around him. 4 cards. A deck that relies on landfalls, lands in play, or major land dumps in the GY is far more versatile and threatening than 4 cards that are barely better than a craw wurm.
Then there's a good combo elf deck that costs less than 100 bucks and it can and will win games. Don't discount elf tribal. Same with merfolk tribal.
GoST will drop to about 10 bucks when he rotates out, I guarantee it.
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hmm? What's that supposed to mean?
source http://ark42.com/mtg/pricehistory.php?q=Misty+Rainforest&d=0