Wait, people didn't like the godbook spoiling of NPH? That was one of the best moments in MTG history, no?
best moment for us Customer, not for them the Company
for them the Company that's so embarrassing and destroying all of their marketing / spoiler effort
Wizards print good rares, players complain about cash grab. They print underwhelming rares, players complain that the cards suck. They spoil the best cards first, players complain about the insane prices of preorders. They spoil the meh cards first, players complain that this is the worst set ever.
So. I think I understand now.
As far as these forums are concerned, WotC can never do anything good because:
Card that is new and probably good = "pushed"
Card that is new and probably bad = "EDH/casual fodder"
Card that is a reprint = "lazy"
Card that is a better version of an older card = "power creep"
Card that is a weaker version of an older card = "worthless"
Same here! I really feel like the core elements for a GW Human deck are there, but it still needs a small push, which I'm sure AVR is capable of offering!
Wait, people didn't like the godbook spoiling of NPH? That was one of the best moments in MTG history, no?
The day it was spoiled was awesome. The following weeks before the prerelease, not so much.
While I'm excited to know what the set has to offer, nothing beats that awesome feeling of waking up every morning of the spoiler season knowing that new cards are waiting for me!
While I'm excited to know what the set has to offer, nothing beats that awesome feeling of waking up every morning of the spoiler season knowing that new cards are waiting for me!
'Cept when the preview card is some Limited common, and the article is three pages long trying to justify its existence. Not that this happens anymore.
The NPH godbook being spoiled was pretty darn awesome, but it was too early. I think it was a full month early. One week is the earliest something of that magnitude should be spoiled.
I agree that literally waiting till previews start is too painful. They could at least tease us with riddles or something. Currently the rumor mill serves little function other than killing time.
'Cept when the preview card is some Limited common, and the article is three pages long trying to justify its existence. Not that this happens anymore.
I know it's not a common, but didn't you read the Geralf's Messenger article? The guy was obviously stretching. That card isn't nearly as good as Kitchen Finks.
There was also the Lingering Souls article, but that one was much closer to the truth.
best moment for us Customer, not for them the Company
for them the Company that's so embarrassing and destroying all of their marketing / spoiler effort
Even that is arguable, for both sides. Sure, the early knowlege was nice, but then spoiler season was entirely useless and boring. Bad for consumers. In the other direction, it increased hype to some extent about MTG, and with prep time, I think prerelease attendance went up quite a bit for NPH.
Same here! I really feel like the core elements for a GW Human deck are there, but it still needs a small push, which I'm sure AVR is capable of offering!
I'll eat my cell phone if humans don't get a good push. You can hold me to that.
The day it was spoiled was awesome. The following weeks before the prerelease, not so much.
While I'm excited to know what the set has to offer, nothing beats that awesome feeling of waking up every morning of the spoiler season knowing that new cards are waiting for me!
'Cept when the preview card is some Limited common, and the article is three pages long trying to justify its existence. Not that this happens anymore.
The NPH godbook being spoiled was pretty darn awesome, but it was too early. I think it was a full month early. One week is the earliest something of that magnitude should be spoiled.
I agree that literally waiting till previews start is too painful. They could at least tease us with riddles or something. Currently the rumor mill serves little function other than killing time.
The godbook was spoiled basically before any dailyMTG previews began. We had a few token preview before, but not more than 2-3 cards.
I guess OP wants it to be 'keyworded' like "dies" was. What word would you replace ETB with though?
When Aegis Angel is born?
When Huntmaster of the Fells arrives?
When Kitchen Sphinx lands?
When Faerie Imposter busts in?
When Dread Cacodemon pops in?
When Malfegor shows up?
no, and why on earth would you think that, like honestly.
/goes back to lgs ad says I was mistaken for LSV
You weren't seriously mistaken for him. LSV is famous for making puns.
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I guess OP wants it to be 'keyworded' like "dies" was. What word would you replace ETB with though?
When Aegis Angel is born?
When Huntmaster of the Fells arrives?
When Kitchen Sphinx lands?
When Faerie Imposter busts in?
When Dread Cacodemon pops in?
When Malfegor shows up?
while full spoilers early might not be the best, this total lack of spoilers is really depressing.
i remember when magazines spoiled cards, and hell even WOTC spoiled cards early (like jace the mind scultor, and kozilek)
also how many people played magic when judgement was leaked early?
I wouldn't be crying foul so much when we get the full set-list a week before the pre-release, which essentially gives people 2 weeks of complete set knowledge before the cards are even legal.
With that said, the spoiler schedule that WOTC put's forth serves a couple functions.
1. It limits the potential for the MTG community to label a set dead-on-arrival, which is what happened with Dark Ascension. Imagine if we got the Godbook on DKA a month before the set was released. Sales for the set would have been even worse than they are now. By allowed WotC to squeeze every ounce of marketing out of the chase cards, it boosts sales and prevents murmurs of a weak set from spreading too quickly.
2. It lets WOTC showcase set mechanics on their own terms. This is a result of the long-winded articles that accompany the majority of the spoiled cards that go out of their way to show the intended impact on limited/constructed that the set mechanics will have.
3. Provides an extended period for people unhappy with the given limited/constructed meta to ponder on the projected meta. I know plenty of people at my shop that are irrationally attached to certain archetypes, like the mono-black kids or girls with green-white lifegain/shiny vampire decks that only care about additions to their specific deck. The spoiler roll-out gives these people an entire month of hoping for "pieces of candy" to be sprinkled into the new set.
IMO it wasn't even vaguely cool as it completely deflated the whole build up to a new set. I completely lost interest in the set because I knew its full content weeks beforehand.
Lol it didn't help that Caw-Blade had been dominating standard and everyone got to see Batterskull, like the most poorly designed card ever.
'Cept when the preview card is some Limited common, and the article is three pages long trying to justify its existence. Not that this happens anymore.
The NPH godbook being spoiled was pretty darn awesome, but it was too early. I think it was a full month early. One week is the earliest something of that magnitude should be spoiled.
I agree that literally waiting till previews start is too painful. They could at least tease us with riddles or something. Currently the rumor mill serves little function other than killing time.
Actually, I enjoy those articles where they go in depth about why design/development required and saw the need for a certain limited common or group of commons, and how it fit in the overarching scheme.
Much better than a rehash of "Why Magic Needs bad cards", and then the particularly horrible rare/mythic that people are complaining about. (Archangel's Light)
Maybe it's just me, but the design/development columns are a whole lot more interesting than just a pile of tournament results and the analysis.
batterskull is completely fine without stoneforge mystic.
It's not broken, just poorly designed. Not flavorful at all, just seems like a bunch of random abilities nailed to a card. Plus, the fact that Stoneforge Mystic was a card made this an absolute joke. It should have taken about 10 minutes of testing to figure out that that combination is ridiculous. It's a lot less subtle than Stoneforge+ SOFF.
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A few cards that end up in every deck doesn't necessarily guarentee that there is no skill involved with those cards. Say they reprint Brainstorm. Just about everyone would play it, especially if there were a lot of good shuffle effects present in the format (assuming Standard). Brainstorm is a very skill intensive card. Just because cards like Iona are great and don't require a lot of play skill doesn't mean that all expensive cards printed in the future will fit this description.
My post was in response to someone saying they wanted more broken cards. I don't want broken cards, I want synergistic cards. There is a difference.
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Currently playing:
Standard: WBRG Aggro-Reanimator Humans GRBW
Modern: UR Twinning RU G Venus Fly Trap G U Artifacts Aggro U
So not cards that are broken by themselves, but broken when paired with other cards?
Not necessarily broken but enhanced. Many cards (look at delver of secrets) aren't that amazing if you don't build around them. But, if you do, they can be format defining. I think card's like that are pretty slick.
(U/B)(U/B)(U/B) JUMP IN THE LINE, ROCK YOUR BODY IN TIME
(R/W)(R/W)(R/W) RISING FROM THE NEON GLOOM, SHINING LIKE A CRAZY MOON
(U/R)(R/G)(G/U) STEALIN' WHEN I SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUYIN'
best moment for us Customer, not for them the Company
for them the Company that's so embarrassing and destroying all of their marketing / spoiler effort
Same here! I really feel like the core elements for a GW Human deck are there, but it still needs a small push, which I'm sure AVR is capable of offering!
The day it was spoiled was awesome. The following weeks before the prerelease, not so much.
While I'm excited to know what the set has to offer, nothing beats that awesome feeling of waking up every morning of the spoiler season knowing that new cards are waiting for me!
'Cept when the preview card is some Limited common, and the article is three pages long trying to justify its existence. Not that this happens anymore.
The NPH godbook being spoiled was pretty darn awesome, but it was too early. I think it was a full month early. One week is the earliest something of that magnitude should be spoiled.
I agree that literally waiting till previews start is too painful. They could at least tease us with riddles or something. Currently the rumor mill serves little function other than killing time.
I know it's not a common, but didn't you read the Geralf's Messenger article? The guy was obviously stretching. That card isn't nearly as good as Kitchen Finks.
There was also the Lingering Souls article, but that one was much closer to the truth.
GRRWHazezon Tamar (Valakut)GRRW
UKami of the Crescent Moon (
Group Hug)UUHeidar, Rimewind Master [Mini-Primer]U
WKemba, Kha Regent (Stax)W
GEzuri, Renegade Leader [Primer]G
no, and why on earth would you think that, like honestly.
/goes back to lgs ad says I was mistaken for LSV
Not really, explained why below
Even that is arguable, for both sides. Sure, the early knowlege was nice, but then spoiler season was entirely useless and boring. Bad for consumers. In the other direction, it increased hype to some extent about MTG, and with prep time, I think prerelease attendance went up quite a bit for NPH.
I'll eat my cell phone if humans don't get a good push. You can hold me to that.
This, almost exactly
The godbook was spoiled basically before any dailyMTG previews began. We had a few token preview before, but not more than 2-3 cards.
~ Søren Aabye Kierkegaard
Oh I know
I had hoped the second line would have implied that, the first however seems to have sounded too obtuse.
Kinda looks like it's from the video for Nightwish's "The Islander." Could be wrong on that though.
--- Meren of Clan Nel Toth --- Jhoira of the Ghitu --- Prime Speaker Zegana ---
--- Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief --- Ghoulcaller Gisa --- Akroma, Angel of Fury --- Titania, Protector of Argoth ---
i remember when magazines spoiled cards, and hell even WOTC spoiled cards early (like jace the mind scultor, and kozilek)
also how many people played magic when judgement was leaked early?
I wouldn't be crying foul so much when we get the full set-list a week before the pre-release, which essentially gives people 2 weeks of complete set knowledge before the cards are even legal.
With that said, the spoiler schedule that WOTC put's forth serves a couple functions.
1. It limits the potential for the MTG community to label a set dead-on-arrival, which is what happened with Dark Ascension. Imagine if we got the Godbook on DKA a month before the set was released. Sales for the set would have been even worse than they are now. By allowed WotC to squeeze every ounce of marketing out of the chase cards, it boosts sales and prevents murmurs of a weak set from spreading too quickly.
2. It lets WOTC showcase set mechanics on their own terms. This is a result of the long-winded articles that accompany the majority of the spoiled cards that go out of their way to show the intended impact on limited/constructed that the set mechanics will have.
3. Provides an extended period for people unhappy with the given limited/constructed meta to ponder on the projected meta. I know plenty of people at my shop that are irrationally attached to certain archetypes, like the mono-black kids or girls with green-white lifegain/shiny vampire decks that only care about additions to their specific deck. The spoiler roll-out gives these people an entire month of hoping for "pieces of candy" to be sprinkled into the new set.
It was cool for a couple of days, but now we are feeling the backlash for it by getting a tight grip on spoilers.
Lol it didn't help that Caw-Blade had been dominating standard and everyone got to see Batterskull, like the most poorly designed card ever.
not sure why you put sorin in there
Bident Layers
B Devotion
RG Devotion
UW Control
Modern:
Jund
UW Control
Combo Pod
Legacy:
DeathBlade
RUG Delver
BUG Control
batterskull is completely fine without stoneforge mystic.
Bident Layers
B Devotion
RG Devotion
UW Control
Modern:
Jund
UW Control
Combo Pod
Legacy:
DeathBlade
RUG Delver
BUG Control
I really like the last set but gave up a long time ago playing competitively. Just play EDH, Type 4, pentagram, and legacy with a lot of friends.
Actually, I enjoy those articles where they go in depth about why design/development required and saw the need for a certain limited common or group of commons, and how it fit in the overarching scheme.
Much better than a rehash of "Why Magic Needs bad cards", and then the particularly horrible rare/mythic that people are complaining about. (Archangel's Light)
Maybe it's just me, but the design/development columns are a whole lot more interesting than just a pile of tournament results and the analysis.
It's not broken, just poorly designed. Not flavorful at all, just seems like a bunch of random abilities nailed to a card. Plus, the fact that Stoneforge Mystic was a card made this an absolute joke. It should have taken about 10 minutes of testing to figure out that that combination is ridiculous. It's a lot less subtle than Stoneforge+ SOFF.
My post was in response to someone saying they wanted more broken cards. I don't want broken cards, I want synergistic cards. There is a difference.
Standard:
WBRG Aggro-Reanimator Humans GRBW
Modern:
UR Twinning RU
G Venus Fly Trap G
U Artifacts Aggro U
Legacy:
B Reanimator B
WU Stoneblade UW
EDH
WBGGhave, Guru of SporesGBW
URGRiku of the Two ReflectionsGRU
WUBRGScion of the Ur-DragonGRBUW
Casual
Far too many to list
Not necessarily broken but enhanced. Many cards (look at delver of secrets) aren't that amazing if you don't build around them. But, if you do, they can be format defining. I think card's like that are pretty slick.