(Name Unknown) 1R
Creature - Goblin Warrior
When {this} comes into play or leaves play, put a 1/1 Red goblin creature token into play.
Echo: 1R
1/1
Common. (Could be uncommon)
This needs to be a common, as it is a very nice effect for Pauper Magic. Let us know on this guy's rarity as soon as you can.
Okay, so if you're playing just the Juzam Sliver, it's exactly the same as Juzam Djinn? Goodness me, I like that!
Well, that's true other than the fact that two of these bad babies cause you to lose 4 during your upkeep... Juzam never did that...
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it nice and beefy but without dark rituals i'd rather play RG and drop slum on turn three with a multitude of critters for chump blockers and the extra ping damage from the slum. this guy causes so much pain for you it does wonders against sliver decks though
Juzam Djinn isn't expensive for play reasons (the card is almost never played in the few formats it is legal in). It's solely expensive for nostaligia reasons - people remember the days when the card actually was good. And Grinning Demon was a perfectly reasonable replacement for Juzam that didn't cause the original's price to fall at all.
I expect the printing of this throwback will either have no impact, or a slight upwards push, on the price of Juzam Djinn.
The Juzam price is up there given not only nostalgia reasons but the rare value of Arabian Nights.
In any case you are crazy comparing Juzam to any of the spin off of him. The only one close enough to compete in power was the Phyrexian Scuta, and he was just as good because his payment was upfront and had better splashability, but was weaker because of the same upfront cost at the same time.
Grinning demon was nothing when compared to old juzam, the demon has an upkeep to harsh to play normaly (despite the 6/6 body) even with morph it still wasnt that great as nothing impresive could be done with it. In the end it was the 'lose 2 life' upkeep that kept grinning demon from play (also the fact that a 6/6 doesnt exactly kill you quicker than a 5/5... it stil takes 4 swings by themselves) and something this card might suffer from.
In any case this is another excelent addition to any black deck, quick efficient and scary enough to pressure your oponent into a tiny whole (you taking advantage of the reasources your oponent wastes trying to take him out).
Its gona be chaos to see this, Stonghold Overseer and Sengir Nosferatu compete as finisher spots on a black decklist on top of another grat card that can also be a great finisher: Skeletal Vampire (although i find Juzam Sliver more of a utility than finisher) All rounded by great removal like Last Gast, Cruel Edict and Sudden Death, utility creatures like Hypnotic Specter and Stromgald Crusader and card drawing capacity like Phyrexian Arena and Phyrexian Etchings, glazed at the top with stuff like consume spirit and hand control like ravenous rats, cry of contrition, etc.
Too bad we don't have Dark Ritual standard/extendet legal anymore. That would rise value of Juzam Sliver sky high.
I like the way it hoses other sliveres and if green turn-me-into-sliver will really exists it my be pretty useful :>.
Creature - Goblin Warrior
When {this} comes into play or leaves play, put a 1/1 Red goblin creature token into play.
Echo:
1/1
Common. (Could be uncommon) Close to a grizzly bear for red. Very close. Probably better actually.
'Juzam' Sliver
Creature - Sliver
All Slivers have "At the beginning of your upkeep, this creature deals 1 damage to you".
5/5
Rare.
I wonder what it will be called. It is powerful though, almost as good as the original (arguably better at hosing sliver decks).
Both people have also confirmed a 'loose' cycle of Rare Slivers, including a new Winged Sliver for White at 3WW, A 'cabal therapy' Sliver for 3UB, and even another card (Possibly Green) that makes all creatures in play Slivers!
Cabal Therapy sliver? That sounds… strange. And the make all creatures slivers thing is just bizzare, but most likely costs a lot of mana.
In the absense of other slivers, he's Juzam Djinn, no questions asked. If this is real, they've officially obsoleted Juzam in almost every way. Not to mention he hoses sliver decks badly. Throw this is against your buddy's sliver deck and watch him take 7 on his upeekp. OOPS! Not really; he's actually worse than Juzam if you run more than 1 of him in a deck, simply because if you have multiples out, you take more damage – 2 Juzams is just 2 damage to you a turn, whereas two such slivers is 4. All he does is hose sliver decks, and that is only a marginal advantage as sliver decks aren't good.
Juzam Sliver is just going to be abused! I'm going to bet he'll show up in non-sliver decks, and on top of that he'll be used in sideboards and popped in when an opponent is playing a sliver deck.
Before everyone freaks out here, I'd like to point out that Moroii and Rumbling Slum see no play whatsoever. He is monoblack, but in all honestly, if black-red is good, then green-red is better on the basis of big creature beats.
Actually that's what I thought too, but I think it depends on the wording. If it's all slivers (get, gain) lose a life, then it's cumulitive, and yeah, that adds up. If it's all slivers have lose a life, then I'm not sure it will be cumulative.
It is cumulative; all slivers are, and I can't think of a single card which isn't.
It is better played alone, rather than accompanied by other slivers. It only gives disadvantages to other slivers! More than a sliver it seems a slivers-hoser to me. Really bad design on this one.
Not really. Its just about the only way they can print Juzam Djinn again.
Yeah, I would play 2 or 3 in a black deck that wanted a nasty 4-drop, and not be too angry if I ended up having 2 in hand.
Oh, I'd play 4 if I wanted to, its just that it isn't as good as 4 Juzams. I mean, it still is a 5/5 for 4. Too bad that just doesn't seem good enough anymore.
wow, that Juzam guy is awesome. My guitar teacher is going to be pissed because he just bought a playset of juzam's. Better tell him to unload them soon. As for me, I want 4 to make my rakdos aggro add more heat. YAY JUZAM SLIVER!
Not really. Juzam Djinn sees no competitive play whatsoever; his collector value is entirely that he is a rare Arabian Nights card which is cool. Nothing else.
HOLY ****!!! Not only do they bring back Sedge troll, but now juzam as well! The Legions episode taught them a lesson: if you want slivers to get played, they must cost less. But this ... this is just great.
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First off, I have to say look at his ability, all slivers deal 1 damage each turn to "controller". Now plop an Essence Sliver down and this sliver basically is a 5/5 for 4 that does nothing... Ahh I love the Slivers....... so broken if played right. This guy I definately want four of. He's good in an black deck as a poor man's Juzam, and great in a any color sliver deck.....Good card all around.
By the way I hope I'm not repeating someone elses post with the essence combo.......:-/ If I did I'm sorry....
well, rumbling slum is strictly better than juzam djinn, and it didn't see a lot of play...
No, it isn't strictly better. It has a more color-heavy, multicolored cost associated with it. It can be argued it's a better card, but it is certainly not strictly better.
I'll have to laugh if they have a sliver that makes all creatures slivers. I could easily see that, but not in green...I think that is more a blue effect. Or maybe they will have a reprint or nod to Artificial Evolution
Wow... well Im glad we finally got a name for the "Juzam Sliver"
I think the whole idea of Slivers that mimic creatures on the reserve list is a fantastic idea, especially when this is essentially a Juzam Djinn and a bonus Sliver Hoser.
Anyway that Goblin, along with the Goblin Making Storm card, and Ib Halfheart, they are really pushing goblins again. And wouldnt you know it, Lightning Axe seems a whole lot like goblin grenade to me.
Also, the Sliver cycle seems cool and I really look forward to seeing a "Cabal Therapy" Sliver.
Please, accept that Magic costs money to play, and drop it. A playset of Baneslayers>playset of duals. New Jace>Force of Will. Etc... Not to mention, Legacy is so wide open, that it's easy to build a deck that can perform reasonably well without very many "money staples" at all.
Only if you didn't understand the way the rules work...
The "ability" triggers once per sliver, not once per sliver per Juzam.
Not really. It doesn't say that it adds the ability if the slivers don't already have it. With one Plague Sliver out, all slivers get this rules text added:
During your upkeep, ~this~ deals one damage to you.
With two out, they all get this text added:
During your upkeep, ~this~ deals one damage to you.
During your upkeep, ~this~ deals one damage to you.
I'm sure there'll be an official ruling on it not long after release, but logically, this is how it should work.
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Not much, the djinn stays a cool iconic 'I want it' creature.
But, this new sliver...wtf....Juzam....he's back...drool....some more drool... I'll play this, I just hope it won't cost to much.
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I don't think it will cost much. Similar cards (Yukora, Grinning Demon, etc) have been cheap. The price on this guy will come mainly from his popularity among Sliver fans.
This needs to be a common, as it is a very nice effect for Pauper Magic. Let us know on this guy's rarity as soon as you can.
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Well, that's true other than the fact that two of these bad babies cause you to lose 4 during your upkeep... Juzam never did that...
still overall a very impressive four drop
Yes, except that when you drop two of these against a sliver player, they are going to be losing a *whole* lot more life than just four...
... and really, that's half the reason it's there. A sliver-hoser.
Cloudstone Curio.
Now that goblin is basicly an artifact that says,
"1R: Put two 1/1 red goblin tokens into play. Play this only as a sorcery."
Now THAT is a pretty strong combo.
The Juzam price is up there given not only nostalgia reasons but the rare value of Arabian Nights.
In any case you are crazy comparing Juzam to any of the spin off of him. The only one close enough to compete in power was the Phyrexian Scuta, and he was just as good because his payment was upfront and had better splashability, but was weaker because of the same upfront cost at the same time.
Grinning demon was nothing when compared to old juzam, the demon has an upkeep to harsh to play normaly (despite the 6/6 body) even with morph it still wasnt that great as nothing impresive could be done with it. In the end it was the 'lose 2 life' upkeep that kept grinning demon from play (also the fact that a 6/6 doesnt exactly kill you quicker than a 5/5... it stil takes 4 swings by themselves) and something this card might suffer from.
In any case this is another excelent addition to any black deck, quick efficient and scary enough to pressure your oponent into a tiny whole (you taking advantage of the reasources your oponent wastes trying to take him out).
Its gona be chaos to see this, Stonghold Overseer and Sengir Nosferatu compete as finisher spots on a black decklist on top of another grat card that can also be a great finisher: Skeletal Vampire (although i find Juzam Sliver more of a utility than finisher) All rounded by great removal like Last Gast, Cruel Edict and Sudden Death, utility creatures like Hypnotic Specter and Stromgald Crusader and card drawing capacity like Phyrexian Arena and Phyrexian Etchings, glazed at the top with stuff like consume spirit and hand control like ravenous rats, cry of contrition, etc.
I like the way it hoses other sliveres and if green turn-me-into-sliver will really exists it my be pretty useful :>.
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Creature - Goblin Warrior
When {this} comes into play or leaves play, put a 1/1 Red goblin creature token into play.
Echo:
1/1
Common. (Could be uncommon)
Close to a grizzly bear for red. Very close. Probably better actually.
I wonder what it will be called. It is powerful though, almost as good as the original (arguably better at hosing sliver decks).
Cabal Therapy sliver? That sounds… strange. And the make all creatures slivers thing is just bizzare, but most likely costs a lot of mana.
In the absense of other slivers, he's Juzam Djinn, no questions asked. If this is real, they've officially obsoleted Juzam in almost every way. Not to mention he hoses sliver decks badly. Throw this is against your buddy's sliver deck and watch him take 7 on his upeekp. OOPS!
Not really; he's actually worse than Juzam if you run more than 1 of him in a deck, simply because if you have multiples out, you take more damage – 2 Juzams is just 2 damage to you a turn, whereas two such slivers is 4. All he does is hose sliver decks, and that is only a marginal advantage as sliver decks aren't good.
Before everyone freaks out here, I'd like to point out that Moroii and Rumbling Slum see no play whatsoever. He is monoblack, but in all honestly, if black-red is good, then green-red is better on the basis of big creature beats.
It is cumulative; all slivers are, and I can't think of a single card which isn't.
Not really. Its just about the only way they can print Juzam Djinn again.
Oh, I'd play 4 if I wanted to, its just that it isn't as good as 4 Juzams. I mean, it still is a 5/5 for 4. Too bad that just doesn't seem good enough anymore.
Not really. Juzam Djinn sees no competitive play whatsoever; his collector value is entirely that he is a rare Arabian Nights card which is cool. Nothing else.
Yeah, being pilloried would really suck.
That's not broken, its just a very strong synergy. Could see play, to boot!
Given the purples don’t seem likely to be standard legal… I dunno. DR is pretty stupid. And by pretty, I mean "How did WotC not notice its power?"
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No it isn't. It's two colors, neither one of which is black.
No, it isn't strictly better. It has a more color-heavy, multicolored cost associated with it. It can be argued it's a better card, but it is certainly not strictly better.
I think the whole idea of Slivers that mimic creatures on the reserve list is a fantastic idea, especially when this is essentially a Juzam Djinn and a bonus Sliver Hoser.
Anyway that Goblin, along with the Goblin Making Storm card, and Ib Halfheart, they are really pushing goblins again. And wouldnt you know it, Lightning Axe seems a whole lot like goblin grenade to me.
Also, the Sliver cycle seems cool and I really look forward to seeing a "Cabal Therapy" Sliver.
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Only if you didn't understand the way the rules work...
The "ability" triggers once per sliver, not once per sliver per Juzam.
Not really. It doesn't say that it adds the ability if the slivers don't already have it. With one Plague Sliver out, all slivers get this rules text added:
During your upkeep, ~this~ deals one damage to you.
With two out, they all get this text added:
During your upkeep, ~this~ deals one damage to you.
During your upkeep, ~this~ deals one damage to you.
I'm sure there'll be an official ruling on it not long after release, but logically, this is how it should work.
The Djinn is only so expensive because it's hard to come by, imo, and the Sliver gets worse if you have slivers in play yourself...
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Juzam isn't actually played basically anywhere, so my guess would be "not much."
I don't think it will cost much. Similar cards (Yukora, Grinning Demon, etc) have been cheap. The price on this guy will come mainly from his popularity among Sliver fans.
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