Maverick is a meta deck designed to prey on the big deck at the moment, currently Stoneblade and/or RUG (wait misstep is banned right lol), it's about like lands, I stomp on other aggro and control decks and lose horribly to combo, rock styled decks are miserable matchups (not unbeatable if you resolve a elspeth, but not fun either :/), reanimator is nigh impossible G1 (they stick a elesh norn your going to be sitting their hopefully topdecking a karakas until you die). The only thing in maverick boards that even approaches ban worthy is stoneforge, which isn't even essential to the deck (mom, KoTR and GSZ are)
I don't see why Hymn to Tourach doesn't see more play anyways. Hymn is such a powerful card, and yet, it just has fallen to the wayside. There's a reason there's the adage, "Hymn, Hymn, I win."
As a TA player I can tell you that hymn is not that good against maverick. Sometimes it hits business or even lands and wins outright, but just as often it whiffs acting as a timewalk. Meanwhile mav laughs and drops the threat your hymn missed. The fact that it gets hit by snare for tempo loss and costs BB are also very relevant. Sad because I absolutely love hymn.
If anything Maverick has allowed combo back into the format. Decks like ANT, TES, High Tide and dredge Have good match ups against the deck. Also anything running humility or deed main has a good match up. I suspect land still decks will be coming back.
If anything Maverick has allowed combo back into the format. Decks like ANT, TES, High Tide and dredge Have good match ups against the deck. Also anything running humility or deed main has a good match up. I suspect land still decks will be coming back.
The only problem is that decks packing Humility and Deed and Storm combo decks have bad matchups against Stoneblade, which has even a greater metagame share than Maverick. Combo/Prison is more viable now, yes, but still not enough to push Maverick down in any noticeable amount, because the deck has such a good matchup against Stoneblade.
If anything Maverick has allowed combo back into the format. Decks like ANT, TES, High Tide and dredge Have good match ups against the deck. Also anything running humility or deed main has a good match up. I suspect land still decks will be coming back.
High Tide is only slightly favored, and Dredge has a terrible matchup against Maverick. I mean, seriously Dredge can just almost never win that one.
EDH/Commander is a social format, right? So why don't people use their social skills to discuss what they like and don't like, instead of adopting a list with 60+ banned cards?
Maverick being at the top of the metagame allows A LOT more decks to exist than if another deck were at the top. It even allows Burn to be good again. Maverick is a deck thats great against what people are currently playing. Maverick will lose its viability in a few months IMO when the format recorrects again.
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At SCG certainly. My personal record against Mav's with LEDless dredge even is about 75% for me. I mostly win that matchup. People just can't play Dredge and don't have Firestorm, really. The chance for Dredge to go off by turn two is higher than the chance for Mav's to drop Ooze turn two by far.
Oh, well I wasn't aware I was talking to the Dredge Master who defies all statistics, because you're the only player who plays the deck well. Of course.
But seriously. LEDless dredge has an even worse matchup against Maverick than the LED version. You are either extremely dishonest or playing against extremely poor opponents.
Post-board, you need to be able to deal with Ooze, Thalia (+Wasteland), Tormod's Crypt, Bojuka Bog, and Wheel of Sun and Moon. The deck just has all of the hate.
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You make a fair point Audio about post board it does have issues. But dredge also has the potential to do very dumb things, very quickly. It becomes a race of who can establish a board state first. I would say that the matchup may be favoured to Maverick, but not by the resounding amount you're refering too. If you see it lose that much, it probably is likely you're seeing bad dredge players, so don't be so sassy.
Post-board, you need to be able to deal with Ooze, Thalia (+Wasteland), Tormod's Crypt, Bojuka Bog, and Wheel of Sun and Moon. The deck just has all of the hate.
I would have to agree that a competent dredge pilot wins the matchup a majority of the time. UNFORTUNATELY, the percentage of pilots that are competent for various combo decks is extremely low.
LED Dredge goes off turns 1-3 and maverick has no more sbed hate for dredge than any other deck. I HAVE firestorns in the board and don't even bring them in vs maverick because their "creature" hate is just too slow, though the ledless version has to bring them in no doubt since they go off 2-4.
I for one will be savoring the time when a non-blue aggro-control deck is at the top of the metagame. Maverick has been my favourite deck for a while now, and I knew it was only a matter of time before everybody finally realized that it's actually a very good deck in the right hands.
Others have already said it best. Wizards won't ban Maverick out of existence, because Maverick is actually contributing to a healthy meta. Nor would anyone want them to, I don't think. Seriously, who could hate Maverick? It's classic Magic at its most engaging and entertaining.
If combo starts becoming too rampant, I'll probably switch to Bant or UW Stoneblade.
I disliked seeing that 6 of the top 8 of the SCG open constituted of Maverick, but that was just one tournament.
Maverick rose because everyone wanted to play RUG & UW-Stoneblade. The meta will stabilize, decks that are designed to beat up Maverick will rise up, and then the deck that beats that up will rise, and so on and so forth.
I disliked seeing that 6 of the top 8 of the SCG open constituted of Maverick, but that was just one tournament.
Maverick rose because everyone wanted to play RUG & UW-Stoneblade. The meta will stabilize, decks that are designed to beat up Maverick will rise up, and then the deck that beats that up will rise, and so on and so forth.
I could be wrong. But maybe also because a lot more people are playing it because it's relatively cheap and the strategy is pretty easy to understand
I always thought maverick was pretty bad. It's only there to beat up kids who don't play anything but blue. It's really slow for an aggro deck and doesn't have much disruption besides swords. If people ran 3-4 deeds like me, they shouldn't have a problem.
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I always thought maverick was pretty bad. It's only there to beat up kids who don't play anything but blue. It's really slow for an aggro deck and doesn't have much disruption besides swords. If people ran 3-4 deeds like me, they shouldn't have a problem.
Maverick is good against other things besides Blue-based control decks. It has good matchups against most aggro decks as well.
Maverick is a mid range deck. Just because a deck uses creatures as its win con does not make it an aggro deck. Aggro decks are more like affinity, dropping lots of creatures fast and swinging with them. Maverick has a longer game plan setting up control creatures and building board presence. Then swinging with 1 or 2 fatties.
Gaddock Teeg is such a joke that I literally have to stifle my laughter anytime I see one in play. Thalia, on the other hand, is quite the troublemaker. However, the reality is that even the under prepared Storm player can just combo all over your face before you get any of your hate online, and a Storm player adapting to a Maverick Metagame will just have your number.
The point here is that Maverick just rolls over and dies to anyone who decides to throw Rituals at it if they actually came prepared at all--and with Maverick becoming so popular, it's wholly worth it to dedicate the extra spots to just grinding the deck into dust every time you play against it.
Look at the top storm decks over the past 3 months. The only maindeck answers to Teeg and Talia have been a singleton chain of vapor, or nothing.
Will and should storm adapt? Sure. But it comes at the cost of consistency.
Which is what I said in my original post. I have said from the beginning this is still a favorable match for storm, but it is not a "freeroll" like the other poster suggested that it is.
Maverick is harder to freeroll than something like Burn. The fact that Mother of Runes stops Chain of Vapor is very critical.
The new tech is to Chant any Maverick player turn 2. Then kill them on turn 3. Most maverick decks cannot respond on the combo turn. Some splash blue for Spell Pierce but thats not too devastating.
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As a TA player I can tell you that hymn is not that good against maverick. Sometimes it hits business or even lands and wins outright, but just as often it whiffs acting as a timewalk. Meanwhile mav laughs and drops the threat your hymn missed. The fact that it gets hit by snare for tempo loss and costs BB are also very relevant. Sad because I absolutely love hymn.
The only problem is that decks packing Humility and Deed and Storm combo decks have bad matchups against Stoneblade, which has even a greater metagame share than Maverick. Combo/Prison is more viable now, yes, but still not enough to push Maverick down in any noticeable amount, because the deck has such a good matchup against Stoneblade.
High Tide is only slightly favored, and Dredge has a terrible matchup against Maverick. I mean, seriously Dredge can just almost never win that one.
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Oh, well I wasn't aware I was talking to the Dredge Master who defies all statistics, because you're the only player who plays the deck well. Of course.
But seriously. LEDless dredge has an even worse matchup against Maverick than the LED version. You are either extremely dishonest or playing against extremely poor opponents.
Post-board, you need to be able to deal with Ooze, Thalia (+Wasteland), Tormod's Crypt, Bojuka Bog, and Wheel of Sun and Moon. The deck just has all of the hate.
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I would have to agree that a competent dredge pilot wins the matchup a majority of the time. UNFORTUNATELY, the percentage of pilots that are competent for various combo decks is extremely low.
LED Dredge goes off turns 1-3 and maverick has no more sbed hate for dredge than any other deck. I HAVE firestorns in the board and don't even bring them in vs maverick because their "creature" hate is just too slow, though the ledless version has to bring them in no doubt since they go off 2-4.
Others have already said it best. Wizards won't ban Maverick out of existence, because Maverick is actually contributing to a healthy meta. Nor would anyone want them to, I don't think. Seriously, who could hate Maverick? It's classic Magic at its most engaging and entertaining.
If combo starts becoming too rampant, I'll probably switch to Bant or UW Stoneblade.
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Maverick rose because everyone wanted to play RUG & UW-Stoneblade. The meta will stabilize, decks that are designed to beat up Maverick will rise up, and then the deck that beats that up will rise, and so on and so forth.
I could be wrong. But maybe also because a lot more people are playing it because it's relatively cheap and the strategy is pretty easy to understand
It's an intricate deck to pilot.
Hell, using KotR properly is almost as bad as piloting ANT properly.
That being said, it's a lot easier to mess up with Mav and still win than it is with a lot of other decks in the format.
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Maverick is good against other things besides Blue-based control decks. It has good matchups against most aggro decks as well.
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Look at the top storm decks over the past 3 months. The only maindeck answers to Teeg and Talia have been a singleton chain of vapor, or nothing.
Will and should storm adapt? Sure. But it comes at the cost of consistency.
They know you do not have Force of Will, they will just drop their whole hand asap. The matchup is still favorable towards the Storm player.
The new tech is to Chant any Maverick player turn 2. Then kill them on turn 3. Most maverick decks cannot respond on the combo turn. Some splash blue for Spell Pierce but thats not too devastating.