MTG Salvation

I have decided I want Proph to hammer Generic.

Just curious, Arian, why didn't you take the Bremen mask instead of the Great Fairy Mask?

And I suspected that is what the mask does when you started talking Day 2.

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Just curious, Arian, why didn't you take the Bremen mask instead of the Great Fairy Mask?

And I suspected that is what the mask does when you started talking Day 2.

I few quick google searches since I didn't know anything about the lore. From what I read about the Bremen Mask in-game, it sounded really lackluster, and I wanted to be able to make a difference. Since I was VT, I figured that taking a Mask that sounded like it had some power would enable me to actually have an impact. I'm definitely still not that good at mafia, so I tend to lean on my roles a lot.

Incidentally, this is why I had Void pick a mask after me, during the first draft -- I figured that the name/specs of a Mask might lend insight into the drafter's role, and I wanted to see if I could get a bit of a read on Void that way.

I don't think I want to lynch Generic today.

At least not until I get some better reads.

And then I'll probably want to lynch someone else.

Like Wheat.

Too much to read if I want to get homework done tonight, and I want to get homework done tonight.

But I will fill this out:

Player: Digi / Wheat
Rolename: Clock Town Guard
Role: Vanilla Town
Abilities: None.
Mask: Don Gero's Mask (Knocks off a player's mask as a Night action
N1 Results: Successful use on Zinger
N2 Results: Successful use on little lizard

So am I missing something or did NOBODY claim to have knocked my mask off or roleblock me?

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4 Clock Guards including myself (me, Proph, Void/Karn, Ghosting). Of them, only Ghosting has a revealed/claimed ability. I'm not really sure where I'm going with this, but it seems a little odd.

Didn't Wheat claim CTG too?

Anyway, I think there's no correlation between being a CTG and being vanilla. swishh and AI have flipped non-CTG Vanilla Townie, Karn has flipped CTG Vanilla Townie, and Ghosting has flipped CTG Townie Defender.

So we have 5 claimed CTG and JeY mentioned day 1 that there are 4 CTG in Majora's Mask?

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My read on Jey's start-of-game was that she wanted to surprise everyone by picking two masks and possibly get some tells from that, but the mod ruined her fun by noting in the votecount that she wasn't voting with either vote. I don't think that she wanted to hide it, per se.

This is accurate.

@Seppel's player block regarding me:
LnGrrrR knocked off both of my masks, but someone else who wasn't LnGrrrR (we don't know who) destroyed the Stone Mask in particular. the Mask of Truth is still int he pool.

Also Zinger said the Mask of Truth was a watcher - you learn how many other people target your target during the night, which is correct.

Night one I determined that 3 people who were not me targeted you, one was Arian and the other was supposedly Generic. No third claim.

@Zinger: please make the trade. Seppel, you still get to Jail someone tonight barring roleblocks.

@Arcadic - masks are still targetable while wearing Stone Mask, so investigating mask specifically allowed your power to work. My Mask of Truth during N2 did not yield results as it guess knock-off prevails over investigation. I targeted Arcadic however (again, no result).

@Arian: I cannot reveal that information. I got a number as a result, not names or what the action was.

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Didn't Wheat claim CTG too?

Ooh. OOH. Someone is lying. I thought there was something wrong here. I strongly believe there is only four clock town guards in this game.

@TMCT + Zinger: Actually. Hold on. I -really- like the idea of having two cop shots over Seppel and I sharing Sun's/Moon's masks respectively. Please make it happen. If I become a 2-shot cop I will be interested in setting up the Sun's/Moon's mask again accordingly for maximum overdrive - assuming we can set something like that up x_x

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Just curious, Arian, why didn't you take the Bremen mask instead of the Great Fairy Mask?

And I suspected that is what the mask does when you started talking Day 2.

I few quick google searches since I didn't know anything about the lore. From what I read about the Bremen Mask in-game, it sounded really lackluster, and I wanted to be able to make a difference. Since I was VT, I figured that taking a Mask that sounded like it had some power would enable me to actually have an impact. I'm definitely still not that good at mafia, so I tend to lean on my roles a lot.

Incidentally, this is why I had Void pick a mask after me, during the first draft -- I figured that the name/specs of a Mask might lend insight into the drafter's role, and I wanted to see if I could get a bit of a read on Void that way.

Great Fairy Mask is leagues more useful than Bremen Mask. With the latter you can get the Bunny Hood which is useful, but then your Bremen's is useless after. GF Mask (lol GF) attracts stray fairies from a distance to you in dungeons, which is required to get all 15 in all four dungeons.

@AtheistGod: Yes, I said earlier in this post that there are only four clock town guards; guarding North, South, East, and West exits. There's the captain and two lieutenants in the Mayor's office but that's moot since they're not CTG.

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I think that catches me up. I have no clue who to lynch if we're not lynching Generic. Wave 2 of homework is here so I have little to none in terms of time to reread until the end of next week.

Vote: Proph

I really hate the defeatist attitude that has befallen you. It looks like scum trying to appear genuine to garner some sympathy.

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Ok. Im Axxon, town outsider. My ability is that I can knock masks off, NOT destroy them. As noted above, my true mask is the mask of truth.

N1, Asenion knocked Guardman's mask off. N2, I knocked JeY's mask off. I would've knocked both off, but one was destroyed by someone other than me.

Popcorn to little lizard

I was doing flavor research.

Oh hey, lets Google this!

Unvote, vote LnGrrrR

NO BREAKS

NO BULLETS

First off Proph, and I mean this as friendly as possible, but you are a putz.

Im pretty sure lizard and wheat are scum. As soon as you vote wheat, lizard tries to wagon on you. Why no comment on that vote?

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Ok. Im Axxon, town outsider. My ability is that I can knock masks off, NOT destroy them. As noted above, my true mask is the mask of truth.

N1, Asenion knocked Guardman's mask off. N2, I knocked JeY's mask off. I would've knocked both off, but one was destroyed by someone other than me.

Popcorn to little lizard

I was doing flavor research.

Oh hey, lets Google this!

Unvote, vote LnGrrrR

NO BREAKS

NO BULLETS

First off Proph, and I mean this as friendly as possible, but you are a putz.

Im pretty sure lizard and wheat are scum. As soon as you vote wheat, lizard tries to wagon on you. Why no comment on that vote?

Why aren't you explaining your role? Paraphrase the explanation about why you, Axxon, are in the game.

Double checked my claim, and I misspelled it. It's Axonn with two N's, not two X's. I still have no clue who that is. Google isn't a big fan of that spelling either, so ai guess Im still scum, HERPADERP!

ROFLMAO

Ok, Taredas truly is a bastard. I actually decided to read my flavor, and it says Im from the world of Mata Nui. A little google later and the real joke is on me.

Yes, Im a f***ing Bionicle character. I got sent here to search out a rare Mask of Power.

Look here's me!

http://bionicle.wikia.com/wiki/Axonn

More lulz. The reason the Mask of Truth is my real mask is because there is a Bionicle analog: the Kanohi Rode.

http://bionicle.wikia.com/wiki/Rode

Im not sure whether to kick or kiss Taredas right now.

I just realized halfway through this post that I forgot to read the stuff in between. Oh well.

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Ooh. OOH. Someone is lying. I thought there was something wrong here. I strongly believe there is only four clock town guards in this game.

I think we should be sure about this before we proceed with that info.

Can someone play a copy (emulate if you have to) and confirm it? I seem to recall there was a guard in the Mayor's Office, but I was only there once.

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ROFLMAO

Ok, Taredas truly is a bastard. I actually decided to read my flavor, and it says Im from the world of Mata Nui. A little google later and the real joke is on me.

Yes, Im a f***ing Bionicle character. I got sent here to search out a rare Mask of Power.

Look here's me!

http://bionicle.wikia.com/wiki/Axonn

PffffffHAHAHA.

You can't make this up. His role said "Outsider" too, so I think I believe this claim, messed up as it is.

LnGrrrR is town, I retract my earlier suspicion.

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ROFLMAO

Ok, Taredas truly is a bastard. I actually decided to read my flavor, and it says Im from the world of Mata Nui. A little google later and the real joke is on me.

Yes, Im a f***ing Bionicle character. I got sent here to search out a rare Mask of Power.

Look here's me!

http://bionicle.wikia.com/wiki/Axonn

I have no idea how to react to this.

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I just realized halfway through this post that I forgot to read the stuff in between. Oh well.

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Ooh. OOH. Someone is lying. I thought there was something wrong here. I strongly believe there is only four clock town guards in this game.

I think we should be sure about this before we proceed with that info.

Can someone play a copy (emulate if you have to) and confirm it? I seem to recall there was a guard in the Mayor's Office, but I was only there once.

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ROFLMAO

Ok, Taredas truly is a bastard. I actually decided to read my flavor, and it says Im from the world of Mata Nui. A little google later and the real joke is on me.

Yes, Im a f***ing Bionicle character. I got sent here to search out a rare Mask of Power.

Look here's me!

http://bionicle.wikia.com/wiki/Axonn

PffffffHAHAHA.

You can't make this up. His role said "Outsider" too, so I think I believe this claim, messed up as it is.

LnGrrrR is town, I retract my earlier suspicion.

Regarding the Clock Guard issue, Zelda Wiki specifically states that there is a guard for each entrance to Clock Town, and that there are 4 entrances (ergo, 4 guards). It doesn't say anything about other Clock Town Guards located in other places, although it does note that there are two Captains.

I would consider it far more likely that there are only 4 Clock Town Guards present in the game.

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See, that's what I'm wondering about all this.

How can LnGrrrR get away with falseclaiming a character that doesn't actually exist in the game and all the resident flavor experts (JeY k, Seppel, lizard, Zinger?) not notice it?

So weird.

"town outsider" proph.

LnGrrrR said he wasn't a part of the game in the very claim itself. Trust me I would've went ape[nuts] already if that weren't the case. LnGrrrR doesn't seem like the type to be stupid enough to pull the wool over my eyes, knowing the INS/outs of my favorite game.

Also @generic, if there's going to be more than 1 clock town guard, there's going to be 4. I couldn't imsgine a setup otherwise.

I think proph or wheat is lying. Proph going nuts over axxon makes me feel bad about him.

There's 4 Clock Town Guards, no ifs ands or butts. Proph is the scummy one to me imo. All he's done this game is make lists, check them twice, complain that everyone seems naughty and not nice. He ran up the two valuable experienced townies day 2, now is bemoaning the lack of experience in the town? Proph's been skating by using confusion as a means of actively lurking in the thread.

I'm sold on the Axonn thing. Something is not right when there are unclaimed NPC's from the game still and someone goes and claims something from a completely different universe.

I'd vote both right now, but I've got a larger scum read on Proph. Vote Proph

Wheat you dummy. I'm on my phone but search my name and the word "captain" and find my latest post. I address the clock town guard issue there.

Lol, LnGrrrR imb4'd me about his claim. Knew it.

In that case, Arianrhod is very town, while Proph is being really scummy about the Axonn claim.

There's been a lot of votes on Proph, so I'll hold off voting until a votecount, but I'm fine with either him or Generic being lynched toDay.

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@AtheistGod: Yes, I said earlier in this post that there are only four clock town guards; guarding North, South, East, and West exits. There's the captain and two lieutenants in the Mayor's office but that's moot since they're not CTG.

Here you go Wheat. Mayor's Office goons are classified differently than CTG. Therefore, 4.

I think it's Wheat. Or Lizard.

Not Proph. Unless he's gone against his scum meta for the entire game.

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I think it's Wheat. Or Lizard.

Not Proph. Unless he's gone against his scum meta for the entire game.

I agree with this. While Proph's push regarding LnG's claim -does- look poor, I believe that it's more of a side effect of how desperate he (we) is (are) for a scum flip at this point. He thought he had something and bit down hard -- it just happened to be concrete instead of sugar.

The only thing that I've liked about Wheat this game was how he reacted under pressure earlier in the game, and frankly, Wheat is an experienced enough player that he could easily fake that reaction.

How's that completed chart coming, Seppel?

I am fine with a wheat or lizard lynch. As noted above, I really didnt like lizard's vote on Proph after he voted WG. Anyone know if lizard had listed Proph as a scum choice earlier?

@lizard, could you provide your last reads list?

Wait, lizard is one of the CTG claims?

We've had two flip, and I thought Arian and Proph were the other two.

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Wait, lizard is one of the CTG claims?

We've had two flip, and I thought Arian and Proph were the other two.

No, Lizard claimed Tingle.

You, me, Proph are the 3 living CTG claims, if I remember correctly. 2 have flipped (Ghosting and Void).

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I am fine with a wheat or lizard lynch. As noted above, I really didnt like lizard's vote on Proph after he voted WG. Anyone know if lizard had listed Proph as a scum choice earlier?

@lizard, could you provide your last reads list?

I did when Arcadic asked me. I don't have access to a computer right now but when I do I will quote the post.

Wheat, I am Tingle.

Proph, I didn't really bat an eye because Tar likes to include one non-flavor character in his games. I have to check if the non-flavor character is usually scum. One of Tar's friend's uses Tar as a non-flavor character and the character is almost always scum. I need to see if he got the idea from Tar or that was his own creation. I didn't want to draw any attention to it because I was going to check it tonight.

I think it is funny that Proph goes after LnGr for a flavor reason but is totally "distraught" when people suspect him for a flavor reason.

Thank you Generic

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prophs scum meta was about panicking under pressure as I understood it.

Up until today he wasn't under any pressure. He seems to have fallen apart today when suspicion has been focused on him. So my votes stand.

This isn't just a scum thing, actually. Proph tends to fall apart when he's the focus of any attention in general, as both alignments.

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Wait, lizard is one of the CTG claims?

We've had two flip, and I thought Arian and Proph were the other two.

No, Lizard claimed Tingle.

You, me, Proph are the 3 living CTG claims, if I remember correctly. 2 have flipped (Ghosting and Void).

That's what I thought.

And if it's not me and if it's not you, then it's Proph, unless the setup has an issue.

The OP has a CTG role PM as well, though, I'm seeing. I wonder if there can actually be a number of CTGs that isn't 4?

Because Seppel is right on the Proph issue now that I think about it again; he's not in his scum meta, despite being scummy.

Thanks Generic. That makes me feel slightly better about lizard.

I can't actually confirm whether or not Tar makes out of flavor characters one alignment or not since I am not particularly knowledgeable of the other flavored games he has run and I don't have time to research them.

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I can't actually confirm whether or not Tar makes out of flavor characters one alignment or not since I am not particularly knowledgeable of the other flavored games he has run and I don't have time to research them.

I don't get what you are trying to say here lizard.

That his attempt to modgame yielded no results.

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How's that completed chart coming, Seppel?

Haven't touched it yet. Probably will this evening.

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I can't actually confirm whether or not Tar makes out of flavor characters one alignment or not since I am not particularly knowledgeable of the other flavored games he has run and I don't have time to research them.

I don't get what you are trying to say here lizard.

That his attempt to modgame yielded no results.

Mod gaming has nothing to do with it. I don't know if I want to spend a night investigating him or someone else.

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Can anyone make a case that Proph's behavior is town and aids the town without using meta? Seriously, show me the things he's done this game to benefit the town and aid in the goal of catching scum.

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Can anyone make a case that Proph's behavior is town and aids the town without using meta? Seriously, show me the things he's done this game to benefit the town and aid in the goal of catching scum.

Sure, when I'm done casing Generic I'll try to read Proph again.

But the problem with saying that Proph's behavior doesn't aid the town is that we haven't caught scum yet, so no one's behavior has really "aided the town." You could lambaste everyone in the game on those grounds.