So I guess this potentially means the esper colors may have a non artifact general seeing as the other two revealed generals come from other planes and Derevi is from Alara.
I am confused as to how you are untapping pod when you just sacked Derevi.
Deveri enters the battlefield, targeting Pod with its ability. In response, sack Deveri using Pod to get a 4-mana creature. The stack has the Pod ability resolving first, then Deveri's ability resolving to untap the Pod.
You don't really even need the 4-mana creature to be a Timbermare. Drake+DEN is unlimited mana, and once enough mana is made, you can even use one blink cycle to soulbond DEN with Deveri and start tapping down everything your opponents have, no worse than a Timbermare (barring hexproof etc.). One of those untaps can be used on the Pod a final time, so when you're ready you can just sacrifice one of your creatures to the Pod to get something that wins right away with the unlimited mana you have left. And all you need to start the engine is Deveri, Pod, and 5 mana (with Drake, DEN, and Shapeshifter in the library).
No one has mentioned Food Chain.
Am I mistaken that that combo is broken?
Edit: Just found out you need Orochi Leafcaller to make that combo work. Not bad for three cards though. Since one is a General, it's really only a two card combo.
Edit Edit: Read the card. You can only use Food Chain mana to cast creatures. This won't work for Derevi's ability. Thanks Onderzeeboot.
Food chain allow you only play creature cards using the added mana, no abilities. or Im wrong?
Deveri enters the battlefield, targeting Pod with its ability. In response, sack Deveri using Pod to get a 4-mana creature. The stack has the Pod ability resolving first, then Deveri's ability resolving to untap the Pod.
Nope. Birthing Pod can only be activated at sorcery speed.
Deveri enters the battlefield, targeting Pod with its ability. In response, sack Deveri using Pod to get a 4-mana creature. The stack has the Pod ability resolving first, then Deveri's ability resolving to untap the Pod.
Pod ability is "only any time you could cast a sorcery spell."
Taking a step away from combo-land, this new commander also looks like a great control finisher for general damage. All you need is an equipment or two and to keep four mana up before you untap, and you're putting a pretty good strain on your opponents' resources each combat step. It may not be as difficult to stop as Akroma, Angel of Wrath, but it's also a heck of a lot less mana-intensive.
There's bound to be fun things to do with this, but right now I am looking at this as an expensive Twiddle. Won't replace Treva in my aura commander deck anytime soon.
Heartstone and Training Grounds only work for creatures on the battlefield. Otherwise they would have to say "creature cards", which would also mean they wouldn't work for creature tokens.
Unless you can activate the ability while the creature is not in the referenced zone. How do Firemane Angel or Reassembling Skeleton work? I was sure you could only activate their reanimation while they're in the graveyard, not while they're on the battfelield (and then sac them in response, obviously).
Mmm I'm gonna relish making some combo-playing general-abusing turd rue the day when I fry this chicken until its 50 billion mana to cast! *evil laughter*
Okay... so I'm gonna pay four again, and combo? Again?
Lol then again I'm the local meta's combo-using general-abusing turd soooo looks like it'll go quite well with ghave, riku, karrthus, zedruu, and sharuum for a bant deck for my tri-color combo decks
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I love how the new commanders so far use the command zone rules in some way shape or form. Prosh gives you more tokens and Jeleva mills more for each extra mana it takes to get them out of the command zone.
This guy though, he just says nuts to that commander tax nonsense.
I'm curious as to what command zone awareness ability the esper dude will have.
I really don't like the idea a commander being able to bypass the fundamental recasting mechanism of the format. It just seems way too good, especially at instant speed.
Obviously this guy is good, perhaps Wizards doesn't like that the tier 1 commanders that continue to see play have been Zur and Azami for years now, and want new blood to be taken seriously.
I think this is a hell of a way to kick off the spoilers, maybe we will get some other powerful stuff.
So, there's probably gonna be a "...where X is the amount of mana spent to cast _____" cycle and a "Put _____ onto the battlefield from the command zone" cycle for each shard?
This just looks incredibly strong. Breaking a key rule of a format is what often makes cards break a a format. I think that strong deckbuilders will be able to go a number of ways with this one - it's certainly open to abuse.
This just looks incredibly strong. Breaking a key rule of a format is what often makes cards break a a format. I think that strong deckbuilders will be able to go a number of ways with this one - it's certainly open to abuse.
I mean, it is potentially a stupid amount of mana when you connect with a lot of creatures, but there are a lot of decks in EDH that have access to that amount of mana.
This thing is a beast, been testing it on Cockatrice with some friends. He's just insane. Especially in the French format, where he aggros and keeps counter magic up, plus Gaea's Cradle comboes well with him. This thing is gonna be Tier 1 in Duel commander for sure.
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This thing is a beast, been testing it on Cockatrice with some friends. He's just insane. Especially in the French format, where he aggros and keeps counter magic up, plus Gaea's Cradle comboes well with him. This thing is gonna be Tier 1 in Duel commander for sure.
That was my thought too.
He will be good in multiplayer, but 1v1 is where he is potentially dumb.
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Deveri enters the battlefield, targeting Pod with its ability. In response, sack Deveri using Pod to get a 4-mana creature. The stack has the Pod ability resolving first, then Deveri's ability resolving to untap the Pod.
You don't really even need the 4-mana creature to be a Timbermare. Drake+DEN is unlimited mana, and once enough mana is made, you can even use one blink cycle to soulbond DEN with Deveri and start tapping down everything your opponents have, no worse than a Timbermare (barring hexproof etc.). One of those untaps can be used on the Pod a final time, so when you're ready you can just sacrifice one of your creatures to the Pod to get something that wins right away with the unlimited mana you have left. And all you need to start the engine is Deveri, Pod, and 5 mana (with Drake, DEN, and Shapeshifter in the library).
Food chain allow you only play creature cards using the added mana, no abilities. or Im wrong?
Nope. Birthing Pod can only be activated at sorcery speed.
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nevermind, I went and read rulings.
You are correct, hence my last post.
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Okay... so I'm gonna pay four again, and combo? Again?
Lol then again I'm the local meta's combo-using general-abusing turd soooo looks like it'll go quite well with ghave, riku, karrthus, zedruu, and sharuum for a bant deck for my tri-color combo decks
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This guy though, he just says nuts to that commander tax nonsense.
I'm curious as to what command zone awareness ability the esper dude will have.
Derevi + Mirror Gallery + Progenitor Mimic or Stolen Identity.
the longer this sits on the field, the harder it is for them to do anything to stop your attackers.
BTW I love that you can tap down a player that you didn't attack.
I like him as a general and am now thinking about a bird/wizard themed EDH deck.
Obviously this guy is good, perhaps Wizards doesn't like that the tier 1 commanders that continue to see play have been Zur and Azami for years now, and want new blood to be taken seriously.
I think this is a hell of a way to kick off the spoilers, maybe we will get some other powerful stuff.
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Yeah me to... army of bird wizards here we come...seems like a ton of fun.
I have to say this is an interesting commander at a low CMC.
As for it being broken... Pithing needle naming Derevi.... solves the problem until the next board wipe.
What about damping matrix does that work?
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I mean, it is potentially a stupid amount of mana when you connect with a lot of creatures, but there are a lot of decks in EDH that have access to that amount of mana.
It's strong, sure, but not OP.
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its ability doesnt cast the card so you cant counter it. unless you have a trickbind or stifle or something. its a activated ability
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That was my thought too.
He will be good in multiplayer, but 1v1 is where he is potentially dumb.
Card's fine, not broken. Anything can be broken if you wanna break it.
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