Not a big fan of hexproof, but this is pretty much a vanilla creature, not a Geist. Sideboard or build-around card. And christ you blue players are so whiny. Ok, so you can't remove every single creature in the game with a "destroy target creature" spell. I've got a very tiny violin playing just for you. Remember when people in here were raging about WotC hosing control when Legion's Initiative was revealed? Remember all the crying about Skylasher? Yeah. This isn't going to change the meta at all.
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This card is boring but could make for decent sideboard fodder... were it not for the horrendous card art. What in the hell happened there? It's so bad I never want to see it again.
Take your monoblack deck, then set aside 14 swamps. Add 4 Creeping Tar Pits, 4 Darkslick Shores, 4 Drowned Catacombs, and 2 Jwar isle Refuge and add 4 Jace, the Mindsculptors. Your monoblack deck is instantly better. Better yet, drop those refuges, throw in some islands and some mana leaks, and lo and behold, you're now playing a real deck. Congratulations. Welcome to the world of competitive M:TG.
It's unbelievable the amount of whining that goes on in these threads
According to what we know of the market research done by WotC Magic players are supposed to be smarter than the average person (on average of course) but threads like these seem to indicate otherwise
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You are being presumptuous. I'm pretty sure a good Esper or Grixis control pilot WILL punish you for having one less color to access.
Well technically UB could be more built to beat control. I mean start with 4 Memory Adepts, 4 Drownyard, 3-4 Ghost Quarter to stop their Drownyards etc.. The fact is most control decks don't build with the intention of beating other control decks. Since the majority of the field is not heavy control.
Card is horriballs. I don't foresee ever dying to this. Voice isn't even that hard to beat and it's way better than this card. Kill it on their turn during combat then wrath the board next turn. Rinse and repeat as necessary. You can even ignore it since it's just a 2/2. Augur of Bolas blocks it all day.
As for this guy, there are many, many ways to deal with it and as long as you aren't an idiot playing against it, it should never get a +1/+1 counter unless you want it to.
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Limited rare is still limited playable. I doubt this guy will be a game changer anytime soon but we never know what Theros will have in it. Maybe if you gave this guy indestructible against a blue black player but still thats not enough.
Why a mono blue? It also has protection from black. So it can also be a blue black witch
We already have a mono black witch for m14. That combined with them not putting many if any multicolored cards in core sets makes me think that a mono blue witch is more likely. That is why I was asking for one.
Limited rare is still limited playable. I doubt this guy will be a game changer anytime soon but we never know what Theros will have in it. Maybe if you gave this guy indestructible against a blue black player but still thats not enough.
Even against a Dimir deck, I wouldn't side in this wolf-thing... Its "instant hosing" is so much worse than Voice of Resurgence's, and in so many ways it ain't even funny.
I'd only play it as a hexproof aura target after the rotation, and it ain't no Invisible Stalker, Geist or Sigarda, that's for sure...
Are people really complaining about this card killing U/B? Seriously? While I prefer U/B over Green, at least you didn't see Green mages getting their panties in a mess at the printing of Woodlot Crawler...
It's unbelievable the amount of whining that goes on in these threads
According to what we know of the market research done by WotC Magic players are supposed to be smarter than the average person (on average of course) but threads like these seem to indicate otherwise
Unless 60% of the posters on here don't actually play Magic
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Not that Ive reread it and see that its only during your turn that you get counters, im less impressed. It does temporarily halt a draw/go style control until they can answer it, but generally control in standard is three colors and has some form of sweeper.
Im curious if this is going to turn into a cycle 3cmc rare vreatures with limited color protection. Fiendslayer is the white version, and I would really hope to see some other colors get some love too.
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You're joking. There's nothing intuitive about this design at all.
Anyways, Great Sable Stag was printed to deal with Faeries. I'm not sure what they were thinking when they were printing this card. There aren't any particular decks playing blue or black doing well.
You do realize that design is more than just stats/abilities right? It is also the overall flavor and feel of the card, which I think they nailed. Witches tend to be U/B and this thing likes to stalk them. However, YES you could say that that means it should be pro-U/B but I think that WITH hexproof(which makes sense because it can't be hexed by a Witch) would be brutal, so they gave it the counter ability instead.
We are on the same side in this. The real enemy is these thragtusk style midrange decks. Derp around for 3 turns, cast farseek and follow it up with a creature that not only recovers your life but also provides card advantage, blockers and threats all in one. Can't be countered due to the presence of cavern of souls. Then that's not even the only creature that does that. Huntmaster essentially provides all of the same qualities as thragtusk but in a slightly different package. It's not even a game at that point. Just a contest to see who draws more heat. It's not interesting at all. My deck only works because midrange is so strong and control is so weak. Stop pushing midrange and start pushing control and the game will be so much more enjoyable.
Thragtusk is BS, no doubt. There's way too much text on that card for how splashable it is, and even at GGGGG I'm not sure it should be so well rounded. HOWEVER, if Havoc Festival wasn't a ****e waste of cardboard, I think we could have had a much more interesting standard. I would have preferred Leyline of Punishment, as it's more utilitarian, but having a strong lifegain hosing enchantment would have gone a looooong way to fixing the issues with the standard format.
Hmm, a green and white hoser creature at rare, with no sign of U, B, or R rare hosers? Could we be seeing the same sort of cycle? Interesting coincidence...
well if it wasn't already confirmed that I wouldn't be playing standard for the next year...
Its not even this card. Its just the blatant hate against blue-black that's really annoying me. It makes for such and uninspired standard when everything is hexproof, can't be countered, can't even be forced to sacrifice. Really sad design policy.
There is just no interactivity in the format. And generally, even if you manage to land the turn 4 verdict, you're pretty ****ed by then anyway. Assuming that they don't just make their **** indestructible anyway.
This card honestly isn't too bad, but it just annoys me that wizards isn't trying to fix whats broken. We have that thread in the Magic general forum that provides examples of wizards stating that black is too weak, and that it needs to be fixed. Printing cards like this is not a step in the right direction.
well if it wasn't already confirmed that I wouldn't be playing standard for the next year...
Its not even this card. Its just the blatant hate against blue-black that's really annoying me. It makes for such and uninspired standard when everything is hexproof, can't be countered, can't even be forced to sacrifice. Really sad design policy.
There is just no interactivity in the format. And generally, even if you manage to land the turn 4 verdict, you're pretty ****ed by then anyway. Assuming that they don't just make their **** indestructible anyway.
This card honestly isn't too bad, but it just annoys me that wizards isn't trying to fix whats broken. We have that thread in the Magic general forum that provides examples of wizards stating that black is too weak, and that it needs to be fixed. Printing cards like this is not a step in the right direction.
They thing that gets me is that they literally just printed Voice of Resurgence and Sire of Insanity. Black is the worst color in standard and blue isn't doing much better, so what does Wizards do? Print ANOTHER blue hoser. Apparently no one in future future league figured out how to beat blue flash decks. This will also help the horribly unfun hexproof deck.
Even against a Dimir deck, I wouldn't side in this wolf-thing... Its "instant hosing" is so much worse than Voice of Resurgence's, and in so many ways it ain't even funny.
I'd only play it as a hexproof aura target after the rotation, and it ain't no Invisible Stalker, Geist or Sigarda, that's for sure...
Are people really complaining about this card killing U/B? Seriously? While I prefer U/B over Green, at least you didn't see Green mages getting their panties in a mess at the printing of Woodlot Crawler...
I think most people are complaining because Wizards printed another hoser for colors that are doing badly and got hosed in DGM. At this point Wizards hating on u/b has become almost comical.
A funny-looking wolf, I say. Somewhat too vanilla-ish for rare though, even if it's good. Wait, scrap that; Nice sideboard material at the very least since it your opponent plays blue/black, they'll suffer.
I think most people are complaining because Wizards printed another hoser for colors that are doing badly and got hosed in DGM. At this point Wizards hating on u/b has become almost comical.
This is the same U/B for which we're assuming a Standard-legal Thoughtseize reprint, is it not?
This is the same U/B for which we're assuming a Standard-legal Thoughtseize reprint, is it not?
It's a brave new world out there.
Has Thoughtseize been confirmed? I do think it will be reprinted soon, and it will help black out. That doesn't have much to do with my point though-green is dominating Standard and Modern and it keeps getting pushed and pushed. That gets old after awhile.
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It's unbelievable the amount of whining that goes on in these threads
According to what we know of the market research done by WotC Magic players are supposed to be smarter than the average person (on average of course) but threads like these seem to indicate otherwise
Unless 60% of the posters on here don't actually play Magic
Well technically UB could be more built to beat control. I mean start with 4 Memory Adepts, 4 Drownyard, 3-4 Ghost Quarter to stop their Drownyards etc.. The fact is most control decks don't build with the intention of beating other control decks. Since the majority of the field is not heavy control.
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As for this guy, there are many, many ways to deal with it and as long as you aren't an idiot playing against it, it should never get a +1/+1 counter unless you want it to.
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We already have a mono black witch for m14. That combined with them not putting many if any multicolored cards in core sets makes me think that a mono blue witch is more likely. That is why I was asking for one.
The Dimir are Infiltrated in Theros...
I'd only play it as a hexproof aura target after the rotation, and it ain't no Invisible Stalker, Geist or Sigarda, that's for sure...
Are people really complaining about this card killing U/B? Seriously? While I prefer U/B over Green, at least you didn't see Green mages getting their panties in a mess at the printing of Woodlot Crawler...
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Im curious if this is going to turn into a cycle 3cmc rare vreatures with limited color protection. Fiendslayer is the white version, and I would really hope to see some other colors get some love too.
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You do realize that design is more than just stats/abilities right? It is also the overall flavor and feel of the card, which I think they nailed. Witches tend to be U/B and this thing likes to stalk them. However, YES you could say that that means it should be pro-U/B but I think that WITH hexproof(which makes sense because it can't be hexed by a Witch) would be brutal, so they gave it the counter ability instead.
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Thragtusk is BS, no doubt. There's way too much text on that card for how splashable it is, and even at GGGGG I'm not sure it should be so well rounded. HOWEVER, if Havoc Festival wasn't a ****e waste of cardboard, I think we could have had a much more interesting standard. I would have preferred Leyline of Punishment, as it's more utilitarian, but having a strong lifegain hosing enchantment would have gone a looooong way to fixing the issues with the standard format.
GSS was printed with Lightwielder Paladin, Deathmark, Flashfreeze, and Ignite Disorder.
Hmm, a green and white hoser creature at rare, with no sign of U, B, or R rare hosers? Could we be seeing the same sort of cycle? Interesting coincidence...
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Its not even this card. Its just the blatant hate against blue-black that's really annoying me. It makes for such and uninspired standard when everything is hexproof, can't be countered, can't even be forced to sacrifice. Really sad design policy.
There is just no interactivity in the format. And generally, even if you manage to land the turn 4 verdict, you're pretty ****ed by then anyway. Assuming that they don't just make their **** indestructible anyway.
This card honestly isn't too bad, but it just annoys me that wizards isn't trying to fix whats broken. We have that thread in the Magic general forum that provides examples of wizards stating that black is too weak, and that it needs to be fixed. Printing cards like this is not a step in the right direction.
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Because Sigarda is such a notable threat in the current format, and isn't rotating out in two or three months
It does have quite an interesting look to it and for some reason I think it is awesome.
As for the card itself it isn't anything special. Wolfir Avenger is almost better.
i think you missed the point. What i was noting was the design policy, not the card in particular
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They thing that gets me is that they literally just printed Voice of Resurgence and Sire of Insanity. Black is the worst color in standard and blue isn't doing much better, so what does Wizards do? Print ANOTHER blue hoser. Apparently no one in future future league figured out how to beat blue flash decks. This will also help the horribly unfun hexproof deck.
I think most people are complaining because Wizards printed another hoser for colors that are doing badly and got hosed in DGM. At this point Wizards hating on u/b has become almost comical.
This is the same U/B for which we're assuming a Standard-legal Thoughtseize reprint, is it not?
It's a brave new world out there.
Has Thoughtseize been confirmed? I do think it will be reprinted soon, and it will help black out. That doesn't have much to do with my point though-green is dominating Standard and Modern and it keeps getting pushed and pushed. That gets old after awhile.
The uncommon hoser cycle in M10 was ICelestial Purge, Flashfreeze, Deathmark, Ignite Disorder and Mold Adder.
Great Sable Stag and Lightwielder Paladin were anomalies.
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