Hi all,
I was looking over the spoilers for MM and I can not figure out what makes Ryusei, the Falling Star mythic? Is there some combo I am not aware of?
He's part of a cycle. There are five Kamigawa dragons, all at mythic. Remember, Wizards will use the mythic rarity on cards that feel legendary or epic, not just overpriced super rares.
I understand that he's part of a cycle, but just doesn't seem to cut it in terms of effect (and thank you for explaining that WOTC just makes it part of the cycle/rarity).
I can't see how Bloodfire Colossus is only rare when he accomplishes more than the mythic Red Dragon.
Anyway, thank you, I am saddened that there is so little critical thought applied to the rarity of cards.
He does not cut it. Is is an asinine choice that is foisted on Modern players by the fact that this set was made to be drafted. He does not see Modern play in any way.
That said, rarity for MM is not a measuring stick by which you should judge what rarity a card should be at. They stated in the beginning that for MM the rarity would be affected by power level vastly more than it would be in other sets. MM is a special case. That, to me, makes them at Mythic more of a travesty. In a regular set the Spirit Dragons would be perfectly appropriate as flavor Mythics, but in MM that honor should have gone to more powerful cards. They also should not have restricted themselves to completing the cycle.
I understand that he's part of a cycle, but just doesn't seem to cut it in terms of effect (and thank you for explaining that WOTC just makes it part of the cycle/rarity).
I can't see how Bloodfire Colossus is only rare when he accomplishes more than the mythic Red Dragon.
Anyway, thank you, I am saddened that there is so little critical thought applied to the rarity of cards.
A super special one of a kind dragon is more mythic than a regular colossus. Also there were no mythic rares when Bloodfire Colossus came out.
He's part of a cycle. There are five Kamigawa dragons, all at mythic. Remember, Wizards will use the mythic rarity on cards that feel legendary or epic, not just overpriced super rares.
This. Why are people annoyed that Wizards is printing flavorful mythics and money rares? It's like people WANT Wizards to print money mythics, which I sincerely hope isn't the case.
This. Why are people annoyed that Wizards is printing flavorful mythics and money rares? It's like people WANT Wizards to print money mythics, which I sincerely hope isn't the case.
So are you going to be overjoyed every time you open a Ryusei and be like "[expletive] yeah, it's so flavorful!"? Because based on his inclusion, I'm not sure if I'll open a single pack of Modern Masters...
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So are you going to be overjoyed every time you open a Ryusei and be like "[expletive] yeah, it's so flavorful!"? Because based on his inclusion, I'm not sure if I'll open a single pack of Modern Masters...
But if Ryusei was printed as a rare, you'd see it 2-8 TIMES as much than it as a mythic.
Let's create an alternate universe where Blood Moon was a mythic, and Ryusei was a rare. In this universe, you would see Blood Moon about half to an eighth as much as you do now. On the other hand, you would see Ryusei two to eight times as much as you do now. Comparatively, you would see Ryusei four to sixty-four times as much as you would see a Blood Moon. In the first universe, it would be the other way around.
Tell me, which universe would you prefer to be in?
The reason you're frustrated is because you see opening a mythic as a "prize". Therefore, when you open a "mythic" Ryusei, you feel cheated. However, from a purely logical perspective, there are no "prizes". Wizards is doing you a FAVOR by printing "bad" cards like Ryusei at mythic, ensuring you don't see them as often - can you not see this?
But if Ryusei was printed as a rare, you'd see it 2-8 TIMES as much than it as a mythic.
Let's create an alternate universe where Blood Moon was a mythic, and Ryusei was a rare. In this universe, you would see Blood Moon about half to an eighth as much as you do now. On the other hand, you would see Ryusei two to eight times as much as you do now. Comparatively, you would see Ryusei four to sixteen times as much as you would see a Blood Moon. In the first universe, it would be the other way around.
Tell me, which universe would you prefer to be in?
The reason you're frustrated is because you see opening a mythic as a "prize". Therefore, when you open a "mythic" Ryusei, you feel cheated. However, from a purely logical perspective, there are no "prizes". Wizards is doing you a FAVOR by printing "bad" cards like Ryusei at mythic, ensuring you don't see them as often - can you not see this?
How about just not reprinting it at all? This is not a regular set, there is no reason they needed to print every card in the cycle. Yosei and Keiga would have been just fine, Kokusho...meh, buy Ryusei and Jugan are garbage.
I want to be in the universe where the cards printed in MM actually matter to Modern players.
How about just not reprinting it at all? This is not a regular set, there is no reason they needed to print every card in the cycle. Yosei and Keiga would have been just fine, Kokusho...meh, buy Ryusei and Jugan are garbage.
I want to be in the universe where the cards printed in MM actually matter to Modern players.
The topic of the thread was Ryusei's inclusion as a mythic, so that was the brunt of my post. But you bring up a good point.
However, Modern's playable mono-red rares/mythics, especially considering pre-Zendikar, is about as deep as a small puddle. I would not be surprised at all if Ryusei was one of the top 25 Modern-playable mono-red rares/mythics from Mirrodin to Alara Reborn.
I would agree that WotC is wise to print epic flavor cards like the Kamigawa dragons at mythic and reserve rare slots for in-demand playable staples like 'Goyf, Clique, and Confidant that could use a strong supply increase. Oh, you mean to tell me they put those cards at mythic? Given that information, I think I'll flip a table if I open a flipping Jugan, the Rising Star. Seriously, if this set is about increasing supply of the most sought after cards from the early years of Modern, why put the most desired cards at mythic instead of rare?
(Then again, I suppose that's my entire problem with the notion of the way WotC does mythic rares vs. rares.)
Can you imagine if Bob/Snappy/SFM/Goyf had been printed in a low volume set at mythic instead of rare in their first printings? It'd make JTMS look like he costs chump change.
I'm more confused by the fact the TC decided Ryusei should be the focus of his confusion and not ****ing Jugan.
Oddly enough Jugan is much more Mythic (in a normal set) than Ryusei because the number of big green fliers are very small. There are boatloads of big red fliers.
I am very glad that this is mythic and Demigod of Revenge is a normal rare, just for rarity purposes. Having said that, Ryusei had better have brand new art... or... I'm going to complain!
I am very glad that this is mythic and Demigod of Revenge is a normal rare, just for rarity purposes. Having said that, Ryusei had better have brand new art... or... I'm going to complain!
I would agree that WotC is wise to print epic flavor cards like the Kamigawa dragons at mythic and reserve rare slots for in-demand playable staples like 'Goyf, Clique, and Confidant that could use a strong supply increase. Oh, you mean to tell me they put those cards at mythic? Given that information, I think I'll flip a table if I open an EDH-fodder dragon then. Seriously, if this set is about increasing supply of the most sought after cards from the early years of Modern, why put the most desired cards at mythic instead of rare?
(Then again, I suppose that's my entire problem with the notion of the way WotC does mythic rares vs. rares.)
Can you imagine if Bob/Snappy/SFM/Goyf had been printed in a low volume set at mythic instead of rare in their first printings? It'd make JTMS look like he costs chump change.
Eh. The chance of opening a Goyf in FUT is 1/60. The chance of opening a Jace in WWK is 1/80. Both were drafted in the same quantity for the same amount of time. Dark Confidant has an even lower chance of being pulled from a RAV pack, at 1/88, although packs of the set were drafted about 6 times more.
I am very glad that this is mythic and Demigod of Revenge is a normal rare, just for rarity purposes. Having said that, Ryusei had better have brand new art... or... I'm going to complain!
We've already seen the art for all 15 mythics, the Kamigawa dragons all have their regular art (Ryusei does not use his promo art either).
Having the Kamigawa dragons at mythic would have been fine if the packs didn't cost twice as much as a regular pack!
From the very beginning Wizards made a big deal about the price and that this set would help provide hard to find cards for modern. In what way are the dragons useful for modern?! Even worse, isn't one of the dragons banned from EDH?
The only good thing about this is that I now don't feel bad that I didn't buy a box. Imagine buying 2+ boxes with each costing over $250 and most of your rares/mythics wind up being the dragons, Pyromancer's Swarth, Squee, Oona, etc!
Having the Kamigawa dragons at mythic would have been fine if the packs didn't cost twice as much as a regular pack!
Goyf, Bob and Clique contribute heavily towards the set's EV. When you consider that an unopened FS or RAV or MOR booster will set you back ~$10, a pack of MM at $7 is a steal. Assuming you can even find one at that price.
From the very beginning Wizards made a big deal about the price and that this set would help provide hard to find cards for modern. In what way are the dragons useful for modern?! Even worse, isn't one of the dragons banned from EDH?
The set isn't just designed for Modern. It's designed for draft too. Why do you think they included Faeries and Dredge as draftable archetypes despite the fact that Bitterblossom and Dread Return are banned? A Narcomoeba isn't going to be of much use outside of a draft, because it is played in zero Modern Constructed decks. Same with the dragons.
The only good thing about this is that I now don't feel bad that I didn't buy a box. Imagine buying 2+ boxes with each costing over $250 and most of your rares/mythics wind up being the dragons, Pyromancer's Swath, Squee, Oona, etc!
If you saw a legit box of Revised at some ridiculously cheap price like $500, are you going to snap-buy it or tell yourself "nah, I might open Laces"?
So are you going to be overjoyed every time you open a Ryusei and be like "[expletive] yeah, it's so flavorful!"? Because based on his inclusion, I'm not sure if I'll open a single pack of Modern Masters...
I'll probably be too busy filing away the actual good/valuable cards these Kamigawa dragons being printed as mythic kept as rares.
I can see how you might be disappointed if you thought this set would be 100% Modern playable, but you probably should have expected there to be some chaff.
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From the very beginning Wizards made a big deal about the price and that this set would help provide hard to find cards for modern. In what way are the dragons useful for modern?! Even worse, isn't one of the dragons banned from EDH?
None of the spirit dragons are banned in EDH.
And again, these things being mythic means you are much less likely to open one than if they were at rare. That means that you are much more likely to open one of the rares that are actually worth a decent penny.
And on top of that, you shouldn't be cracking packs for value anyways.
This. Why are people annoyed that Wizards is printing flavorful mythics and money rares? It's like people WANT Wizards to print money mythics, which I sincerely hope isn't the case.
The problem is that some people just don't want to imagine themselves opening anything but mythic rares to the point where they forget about the regular rares.
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I was looking over the spoilers for MM and I can not figure out what makes
Ryusei, the Falling Star mythic? Is there some combo I am not aware of?
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I can't see how Bloodfire Colossus is only rare when he accomplishes more than the mythic Red Dragon.
Anyway, thank you, I am saddened that there is so little critical thought applied to the rarity of cards.
That said, rarity for MM is not a measuring stick by which you should judge what rarity a card should be at. They stated in the beginning that for MM the rarity would be affected by power level vastly more than it would be in other sets. MM is a special case. That, to me, makes them at Mythic more of a travesty. In a regular set the Spirit Dragons would be perfectly appropriate as flavor Mythics, but in MM that honor should have gone to more powerful cards. They also should not have restricted themselves to completing the cycle.
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A super special one of a kind dragon is more mythic than a regular colossus. Also there were no mythic rares when Bloodfire Colossus came out.
This. Why are people annoyed that Wizards is printing flavorful mythics and money rares? It's like people WANT Wizards to print money mythics, which I sincerely hope isn't the case.
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So are you going to be overjoyed every time you open a Ryusei and be like "[expletive] yeah, it's so flavorful!"? Because based on his inclusion, I'm not sure if I'll open a single pack of Modern Masters...
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But if Ryusei was printed as a rare, you'd see it 2-8 TIMES as much than it as a mythic.
Let's create an alternate universe where Blood Moon was a mythic, and Ryusei was a rare. In this universe, you would see Blood Moon about half to an eighth as much as you do now. On the other hand, you would see Ryusei two to eight times as much as you do now. Comparatively, you would see Ryusei four to sixty-four times as much as you would see a Blood Moon. In the first universe, it would be the other way around.
Tell me, which universe would you prefer to be in?
The reason you're frustrated is because you see opening a mythic as a "prize". Therefore, when you open a "mythic" Ryusei, you feel cheated. However, from a purely logical perspective, there are no "prizes". Wizards is doing you a FAVOR by printing "bad" cards like Ryusei at mythic, ensuring you don't see them as often - can you not see this?
GX Tron XG
UR Phoenix RU
GG Freyalise High Tide GG
UR Parun Counterspells RU
BB Yawgmoth Token Storm BB
WB Pestilence BW
I want to be in the universe where the cards printed in MM actually matter to Modern players.
Reprint Opt for Modern!!
FREE DIG THOROUGH TIME!
PLAY MORE ROUGE DECKS!
The topic of the thread was Ryusei's inclusion as a mythic, so that was the brunt of my post. But you bring up a good point.
However, Modern's playable mono-red rares/mythics, especially considering pre-Zendikar, is about as deep as a small puddle. I would not be surprised at all if Ryusei was one of the top 25 Modern-playable mono-red rares/mythics from Mirrodin to Alara Reborn.
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UR Phoenix RU
GG Freyalise High Tide GG
UR Parun Counterspells RU
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WB Pestilence BW
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(Then again, I suppose that's my entire problem with the notion of the way WotC does mythic rares vs. rares.)
Can you imagine if Bob/Snappy/SFM/Goyf had been printed in a low volume set at mythic instead of rare in their first printings? It'd make JTMS look like he costs chump change.
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Eh. The chance of opening a Goyf in FUT is 1/60. The chance of opening a Jace in WWK is 1/80. Both were drafted in the same quantity for the same amount of time. Dark Confidant has an even lower chance of being pulled from a RAV pack, at 1/88, although packs of the set were drafted about 6 times more.
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We've already seen the art for all 15 mythics, the Kamigawa dragons all have their regular art (Ryusei does not use his promo art either).
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From the very beginning Wizards made a big deal about the price and that this set would help provide hard to find cards for modern. In what way are the dragons useful for modern?! Even worse, isn't one of the dragons banned from EDH?
The only good thing about this is that I now don't feel bad that I didn't buy a box. Imagine buying 2+ boxes with each costing over $250 and most of your rares/mythics wind up being the dragons, Pyromancer's Swarth, Squee, Oona, etc!
Goyf, Bob and Clique contribute heavily towards the set's EV. When you consider that an unopened FS or RAV or MOR booster will set you back ~$10, a pack of MM at $7 is a steal. Assuming you can even find one at that price.
The set isn't just designed for Modern. It's designed for draft too. Why do you think they included Faeries and Dredge as draftable archetypes despite the fact that Bitterblossom and Dread Return are banned? A Narcomoeba isn't going to be of much use outside of a draft, because it is played in zero Modern Constructed decks. Same with the dragons.
If you saw a legit box of Revised at some ridiculously cheap price like $500, are you going to snap-buy it or tell yourself "nah, I might open Laces"?
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I'll probably be too busy filing away the actual good/valuable cards these Kamigawa dragons being printed as mythic kept as rares.
I can see how you might be disappointed if you thought this set would be 100% Modern playable, but you probably should have expected there to be some chaff.
Legacy - RUG Delver RUG - Maverick GW - SI BG
Foreigning out SI, currently 33/75. The only thing better than a T1 kill is doing it with cards no one has ever heard of and/or can't read. If anyone has any of the usual pieces, PM me. I'm willing to buy/trade.
None of the spirit dragons are banned in EDH.
And again, these things being mythic means you are much less likely to open one than if they were at rare. That means that you are much more likely to open one of the rares that are actually worth a decent penny.
And on top of that, you shouldn't be cracking packs for value anyways.
UBBreya's Toybox (Competitive, Combo)WR
RGodzilla, King of the MonstersG
-Retired Decks-
UBLazav, Dimir Mastermind (Competitive, UB Voltron/Control)UB
"Knowledge is such a burden. Release it. Release all your fears to me."
—Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
The problem is that some people just don't want to imagine themselves opening anything but mythic rares to the point where they forget about the regular rares.