I think the new art emphasizes too much on the throne: the confidant should take most part of the picture and the throne should be secondary. As is, both the confidant and the throne are equally represented...
Oh! And just thought the art could be from THEROS: the throne has some kind of greek flavor.
It may be But still, They kept telling me "why it would be mythic, it doesn't feel mythic at all, etc etc"
Well, I thought Wizards would make it mythic if only for the price and the vast use of it, and the fact proved me correct
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I'm curious as to what exactly they will be printing in the rare slot for this set if all the rare staples people actually want are promoted to mythic.
Well, the uncommon staples, of course. I kid, but I would not be shocked nor would I think it would be too ridiculous that Kitchen Finks, Isochron Scepter and Aether Vial were rares and not uncommon.
I'm curious as to what exactly they will be printing in the rare slot for this set if all the rare staples people actually want are promoted to mythic.
The object of MM is not to move the price. It's to increase the supply. WotC has no control over the first, only the second.
And everyone knows that there is no link between supply and price, I mean if Bob was at common who knows what effect it would have on it's price :rolleyes:.
Do people still believe that MM is not designed to line Wotc pockets and to keep prices high so they can do this again with MM2?
Also the knew are is terrible, why would an evil overlord chose to confide their secrets to Chris Angel?
A 40 dollar mythic rare would constitute a must have 4 of that goes in many decks.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled. I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
First off, on the art - as somebody who never was around when Dark Confidant came out (and has little/no knowledge of Bob Maher either), I've always thought that the old art looked stupid and needed an art switch, as it is a card that's extremely popular and given high visibility in tournaments, etc. I love the new art - I get that for some, the old is nostalgic, but I just don't see how when you put that aside, you can't say this is the better-looking card. Clearly there's some preference there though, I get that.
To me, I don't care too much about which cards they make mythic instead of rare, I'm primarily judging the set by the value of the rares that'll get spoiled. The mythics should be good, of course. (And what mythics were people hoping for, anyways? 5 planeswalkers and what?) Sure, Bob and Tarmogoyf are out of the picture, but there's still a lot left to be seen when we've only seen 4 cards, and know nothing about the real direction in the set.
Let's give this a little more time to develop, and if it sucks and the only value is in the mythics... well then, we can unleash the dogs of wrath on Wizards. But let's have a little patience first and not assume Wizards is out to lose all their customers on purpose.
Saw this coming a mile away. There goes $300 dollars for my box.
Personally, I like the new art. I'm a big fan of Fischer's art and style. Lots of attitude and character to it. Yes, he looks like Skrillix now, but a card's art looks so dated to today's standards to begin with. I bet the foil of this would look awesome.
The fact that a very iconic card got a facelift is quite nice; I was never really a fan of the old art to begin with. HERE'S BOB'S HEAD WITH SOME CATFISH LOOKING THING NEXT TO HIM. I'm glad they kept the flavor text, thought.
This is also a special printing, so dressing up old, iconic cards to the nines with new art and new terms is expected.
This is a good point. Wizards almost never talks about the secondary market. Rather, they talk about scarcity. This increase of cards is supposed to combat scarcity, not necessarily the secondary market (though perhaps latently).
Wizards and Forsythe in particular are obsessed by chronicles. Once they overcome their psychological problem, they'll reprint the right amount.
You say that as if it's not a valid concern, though.
So much of this overheated market is a growing speculator market. There's Market Street here, there's a Magic Finance reddit, every single major Magic site has at least one writer on staff that specializes on financial articles and there are people that pay for Quiet Speculation.
Planned, systemic destruction of card prices rarely works because EVEN if you demolished the prices on all of the staples with this release, all of the money "saved" would just retreat to the next most limited necessary card that wasn't reprinted.
With growth as large as it is, and the game as popular as it is, it is more wise to be more careful and limited in this- for all the griping and grousing, my guess is that the overall reception to this set (except maybe from the players who had their $300 blow up in their face and return $50 less than they paid), will be positive.
A bell rung can not be unrung.
While there may end up being some hurt feelings and upset players, best to temper their expectations, because if this product is a success, you can be certain it won't be the last time we see it. Nor would it shock me that so long as the staples were necessary and the demand overwhelming that the set wouldn't start out with some of those cards again.
The ONLY probably here is that players expected either that every single box was a gold mine and they'd obviously make infinity dollars from a box, or that every single relevant card in format would be printed in giant numbers.
If this set can temper players expectations for what such a product will be in the future and easy the availability problems at common and uncommon ($2-3 commons and $10-20 uncommons are pretty rough), that's doing a lot for making the format more accessible. But as you can see from the thread, more people seem concerned about the top 10 most expensive cards in the format than the big band of everything that's sitting at $5-15.
Glad I didn't order a box. Evidently they're over twice as expensive as normal boxes, have 2/3s the content and have all the cards you want at mythic rare. Lol. If MM limited isn't great I'd call this set junk, or at least a rip-off given current prices.
Didn't MaRo say that Bob would not be in this set shortly after its announcement? Happy to see it, glad I still have my play set so I can trade off this horrible art.
I'll draft this online, but that's about it. I already have the majority of the cards I need for most of my modern decks, the only cards I really need that I can't easily get my hands on are the ones that are being printed mythic, or look like they will be, or they aren't in this set (sac lands). I see no point in buying a box if that is the case.
*edit* I'm not a fan of this art either, I can see why some people like it, I'm just not over the moon about it. I've also got to say, that I really don't like the MM set symbol, looks like a 3 year old's scribble.
Hopefully the prices will stay at 7 bucks a pack if people don't think they need to hoard them like the pigs they are. Thanks for not wanting Modern Masters everyone!
On another note I bet this will be a really fun set to draft.
Thanks Argentleman;)
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It looks to me like he's standing behind/beside a throne with a crown depicting the promise of power etc.
I want 4.
Oh! And just thought the art could be from THEROS: the throne has some kind of greek flavor.
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It wasn't scowling, it was wishful thinking, lol.
Didn't play mtg since a while and i wanted to go back, in modern, but like many people said, the price are ridiculous.
It may be But still, They kept telling me "why it would be mythic, it doesn't feel mythic at all, etc etc"
Well, I thought Wizards would make it mythic if only for the price and the vast use of it, and the fact proved me correct
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Well, the uncommon staples, of course. I kid, but I would not be shocked nor would I think it would be too ridiculous that Kitchen Finks, Isochron Scepter and Aether Vial were rares and not uncommon.
Obviously all the uncommons people want.
I think that'll be the letdown.
Thoughseize at mythic.
All the good uncommons as rares.
All the good commons as uncommons.
Chaff as common.
I hope pillarfield ox is in, jftl.
And everyone knows that there is no link between supply and price, I mean if Bob was at common who knows what effect it would have on it's price :rolleyes:.
Do people still believe that MM is not designed to line Wotc pockets and to keep prices high so they can do this again with MM2?
Also the knew are is terrible, why would an evil overlord chose to confide their secrets to Chris Angel?
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled.
I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
To me, I don't care too much about which cards they make mythic instead of rare, I'm primarily judging the set by the value of the rares that'll get spoiled. The mythics should be good, of course. (And what mythics were people hoping for, anyways? 5 planeswalkers and what?) Sure, Bob and Tarmogoyf are out of the picture, but there's still a lot left to be seen when we've only seen 4 cards, and know nothing about the real direction in the set.
Let's give this a little more time to develop, and if it sucks and the only value is in the mythics... well then, we can unleash the dogs of wrath on Wizards. But let's have a little patience first and not assume Wizards is out to lose all their customers on purpose.
I hate the art, I hate that its mythic rarity and I hate that I traded my playset back in the day because I was not using them!!
Personally, I like the new art. I'm a big fan of Fischer's art and style. Lots of attitude and character to it. Yes, he looks like Skrillix now, but a card's art looks so dated to today's standards to begin with. I bet the foil of this would look awesome.
The fact that a very iconic card got a facelift is quite nice; I was never really a fan of the old art to begin with. HERE'S BOB'S HEAD WITH SOME CATFISH LOOKING THING NEXT TO HIM. I'm glad they kept the flavor text, thought.
This is also a special printing, so dressing up old, iconic cards to the nines with new art and new terms is expected.
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I know art is subjective, but man. That's a seriously cool piece of art.
Scarcity?
http://store.tcgplayer.com/magic/ravnica/dark-confidant?partner=MAGCINFO
There are 31 sellers of Dark Confidant, that means there is around 100 copies for sale, and even more on ebay. They aren't that rare. Same with Tarmogoyf.
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You say that as if it's not a valid concern, though.
So much of this overheated market is a growing speculator market. There's Market Street here, there's a Magic Finance reddit, every single major Magic site has at least one writer on staff that specializes on financial articles and there are people that pay for Quiet Speculation.
Planned, systemic destruction of card prices rarely works because EVEN if you demolished the prices on all of the staples with this release, all of the money "saved" would just retreat to the next most limited necessary card that wasn't reprinted.
With growth as large as it is, and the game as popular as it is, it is more wise to be more careful and limited in this- for all the griping and grousing, my guess is that the overall reception to this set (except maybe from the players who had their $300 blow up in their face and return $50 less than they paid), will be positive.
A bell rung can not be unrung.
While there may end up being some hurt feelings and upset players, best to temper their expectations, because if this product is a success, you can be certain it won't be the last time we see it. Nor would it shock me that so long as the staples were necessary and the demand overwhelming that the set wouldn't start out with some of those cards again.
The ONLY probably here is that players expected either that every single box was a gold mine and they'd obviously make infinity dollars from a box, or that every single relevant card in format would be printed in giant numbers.
If this set can temper players expectations for what such a product will be in the future and easy the availability problems at common and uncommon ($2-3 commons and $10-20 uncommons are pretty rough), that's doing a lot for making the format more accessible. But as you can see from the thread, more people seem concerned about the top 10 most expensive cards in the format than the big band of everything that's sitting at $5-15.
QED.
*edit* I'm not a fan of this art either, I can see why some people like it, I'm just not over the moon about it. I've also got to say, that I really don't like the MM set symbol, looks like a 3 year old's scribble.
On another note I bet this will be a really fun set to draft.
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