You'll be missed greatly, thanks for inspiring everyone to stay fit and live a healthy lifestyle. Your image will not be broken. Heck If it wasn't for you we wouldn't have people like Richard Simmons helping us.
But man Jack, he is the epitome of human endurance, exercised everyday in his life, it's really a shame to see him go.
He lived a great life and I'm proud of him for that. Besides being known as the "Godfather of Fitness" the exercise known as Jumping Jacks was named after him.
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"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
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"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
If it wasn't for him, we probably wouldn't also have so vast a wave of elitism and discrimination in regards to being fat.
Personally, I don't really care about him. Then again, I also don't like Richard Simmons, whose only purpose, in my mind, is to remind people of Gene Simmons.
If it wasn't for him, we probably wouldn't also have so vast a wave of elitism and discrimination in regards to being fat.
He, himself, was a fatty when he was a child.
I really don't see any problem with a discrimination against obesity...Unlike race, obesity is easily changed, and does absolutely nothing good for society.
I really don't see any problem with a discrimination against obesity...Unlike race, obesity is easily changed, and does absolutely nothing good for society.
Two things that you got wrong have been pointed out:
- Not easily changed. If you really think it's easily changed... I... can't really tell you how wrong that is. It's just common sense.
- Increased levels of obesity brings about a smaller average lifespan. Since the world is getting overcrowded, obesity helps trim the fat, so to speak, of overpopulation.
- Not easily changed. If you really think it's easily changed... I... can't really tell you how wrong that is. It's just common sense.
I'm sorry, but you really have no idea what you are talking about. Obesity comes from a sedentary lifestyle and a horrible diet, both being incredibly easy to fix.
It really is simple math. To lose weight you have to burn more calories than you ingest. God forbid you have to show some self-control to lose weight.
- Increased levels of obesity brings about a smaller average lifespan. Since the world is getting overcrowded, obesity helps trim the fat, so to speak, of overpopulation.
So, according to you, it's good that these people die younger? Instead of just making minor changes to their lifestyles?
I'm sorry, but you really have no idea what you are talking about. Obesity comes from a sedentary lifestyle and a horrible diet, both being incredibly easy to fix.
That's all that goes into it, sure. Ignore the fact that metabolism is another factor. Ignore the fact that many fat people DON'T lead sedentary lives(Teddy Roosevelt was a very active man, and was fat).
It really is simple math. To lose weight you have to burn more calories than you ingest. God forbid you have to show some self-control to lose weight.
There's a difference between being fat and being... this. One of those you have to work to maintain, the other is simply being fat.
Many people show self-control(myself included), but it's not that simple. Don't you think that if it was REALLY that easy, we would have the majority of Americans being fat?
So, according to you, it's good that these people die younger? Instead of just making minor changes to their lifestyles?
That's a pretty warped point of view.
No, especially considering I'm one of "these people." However, you said it "does absolutely nothing for society." Curbing overpopulation, even slightly, is beneficial for society as a whole. Common sense, strangely, isn't that common, it seems.
Also, "minor changes"? Really? In order to lose weight, you have to do more than "minor changes" to your lifestyle.
Many people show self-control(myself included), but it's not that simple. Don't you think that if it was REALLY that easy, we would have the majority of Americans being fat?
Did I really just read this? America has one of the laziest populations of any major power in the world; Difficulty is irrelevant when most people would rather plan their fat asses in front of the TV and watch more American Idol instead of go for a nice jog, or grab fast food for every other meal and cycle through the same websites all night while proclaiming to be bored of their mundane life but unwilling to lift a leg and participate in some cardiovascular exercises.
How many people do you know who complain about being bored, who could be doing some form of physical activity? I know a lot. It's not a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of being lazy and saying it's not your fault you're fat while probably not having had any real exercise and having just finished eating fried chicken or a cheeseburger for dinner. Weight, just like anything, sees results over time. But, because we live in an age where instant gratification is key and people want it now, when overweight or obese people try diet or exercise programs and don't see immediate results they give up. We live in a country surrounding us with temptation for the weak minded there they can get all the support they need to live the the lazy "Poor me, I'm the victim of ____" American dream that leads people to being comfortable in a sedentary lifestyle and blaming everything but themselves.
Go ahead, sue McDonalds for making you fat. I'm sure for these kids it's hereditary, right?
Ignore the fact that metabolism is another factor.
It is very easy to change your metabolism. For instance, eating one large meal before bedtime will slow your metabolism down. Eating many small meals in the day will speed your metabolism up.
So, sorry, but metabolism is not an excuse to be obese.
Ignore the fact that many fat people DON'T lead sedentary lives(Teddy Roosevelt was a very active man, and was fat).
Sedentary doesn't just mean sitting on your ass all day long. Sedentary means not burning enough calories during the day.
Like I said earlier, it is very easy to burn enough calories during any given day. But that requires not eating 5000 calories a day.
There's a difference between being fat and being... this. One of those you have to work to maintain, the other is simply being fat.
I don't understand what you are trying to get at...you don't work to remain fat...you work to slim down.
Many people show self-control(myself included),
So tell me (and I do not want you to lie or overaggerate), what activity you do in any given day...
Also, I would like to know how many calories you ingest daily.
Because like I said, it really is simple math. You burn more calories than you eat. Even if you burn 100 calories more than what you eat daily, you will lose weight.
but it's not that simple. Don't you think that if it was REALLY that easy, we would have the majority of Americans being fat?
The reason it is so hard is because people in this society are addicted to food. Like I said, it takes self control to lose weight.
No, especially considering I'm one of "these people." However, you said it "does absolutely nothing for society." Curbing overpopulation, even slightly, is beneficial for society as a whole. Common sense, strangely, isn't that common, it seems.
And how much do you think they cost in healthcare?
Also, "minor changes"? Really? In order to lose weight, you have to do more than "minor changes" to your lifestyle.
I'm sorry you are overweight...but like I said, if you really just spend ten minutes to get your diet down right, you will lose weight.
I have many years experience when it comes to nutrition, and I'm telling you right now, you are 100% wrong. It doesn't take monumental effort to lose weight. It takes a little bit of self control.
It is very easy to change your metabolism. For instance, eating one large meal before bedtime will slow your metabolism down. Eating many small meals in the day will speed your metabolism up.
So, sorry, but metabolism is not an excuse to be obese.
Eating many small meals a day also requires VASTLY changing your schedule. Once again, it's not as "easy" as you make it out to be.
So tell me (and I do not want you to lie or overaggerate), what activity you do in any given day...
Also, I would like to know how many calories you ingest daily.
Quite a bit of walking during the school day, followed by a long walk after school(with my dog, if you must know). Racquetball once a week for a couple hours.
As for calories? That's the hard part. I don't have a number I can give you. You know why? That requires quite a bit of effort. I don't have the calorie content for each and every restaurant I go to.
So, tell me, what does this have to do with my original point?
Because like I said, it really is simple math, You burn more calories than you eat. Even if you burn 100 calories less than what you eat daily, you will lose weight.
Naw, really?
However, what you burn every day is not simple. How much you absorb is not simple.
And how much do you think they cost in healthcare?
Does it matter? You said it does nothing good at all. I was providing a counterexample. You essentially said A =/= B, and I provided one case in which A = B, thus disproving your entire statement.
I'm sorry you are overweight...but like I said, if you really just spend ten minutes to get your diet down right, you will lose weight.
I have many years experience when it comes to nutrition, and I'm telling you right now, you are 100% wrong. It doesn't take monumental effort to lose weight. It takes a little bit of self control.
It does NOT just take self-control. It requires a LOT of effort.
Now, tell me, how on Earth does ANY of this justify insulting people or belittling people for being overweight?
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You completely ignored my point.
Furthermore, I've not had a cheeseburger or fried chicken for... at least 2 months now.
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Question: My Physics teacher watches his calories, even going so far as to eat ZERO fried food for a year, is very active. Why is he still fat?
Now, explain, how come Teddy Roosevelt was fat, yet he had a very healthy lifestyle? It's not black and white.
Can you tell me his diet?
Becuase it doesn't matter if he runs 3 miles a day. If he is ingesting more than he is burning, he will gain weight.
Eating many small meals a day also requires VASTLY changing your schedule. Once again, it's not as "easy" as you make it out to be.
So eating at different times requires a vast amount of effort? Really?
And it doesn't even require you to go that far...eating three meals a day, with the right amount of calories, will speed up your metabolism as well.
I find it quite hilarious that you consider these things 'vastly' changing your lifestyle.
Actually, that's NOT what sedentary means, but I'm not going to bother going into that. A simple glance at Wikipedia proves you wrong here.
If you gain weight from your current lifestyle, you are sedentary. That's all there is to it.
Eating 5000 calories a day requires quite a bit of work, if you ask me.
Not to the normal American, where one burger can total over 2000 calories.
At some point, you burn so many calories by just existing, that you have to work to satiate the output.
'Existing' isn't enough to burn enough calories. Surprsingly, it takes more than just simple metabolic processes to burn more calories than you ingest.
Quite a bit of walking during the school day, followed by a long walk after school(with my dog, if you must know). Racquetball once a week for a couple hours.
Walking is an awful way to burn calories...it's low intensive, and you have to walk at least 10,000 paces daily to make any discernable difference.
I had a feeling you would give me something like this. Walking is not enough.
As for calories? That's the hard part. I don't have a number I can give you. You know why? That requires quite a bit of effort. I don't have the calorie content for each and every restaurant I go to.
So addition is too hard for you? Every food establishment is required by law to give you a breakdown on their meals...
It's not their fault you don't know how many calories daily you are ingesting.
So, tell me, what does this have to do with my original point?
Really? You really don't know?
Naw, really?
However, what you burn every day is not simple. How much you absorb is not simple.
It's simple addition, actually.
Mmhmm, I have self-control. I've had self-control all my life. I ACTIVELY try to reduce the number of calories I eat a day.
...You yourself admitted that you don't count the calories you ingest. How can you work to lower your calorie intake when you don't even know how much you are ingesting?
'Just eating less' is an awful way to go about this. Calorie amounts differ greatly between foods, and the only real way to accurately work to curb your intake is to know how much you are taking in.
Does it matter? You said it does nothing good at all. I was providing a counterexample. You essentially said A =/= B, and I provided one case in which A = B, thus disproving your entire statement.
It does matter. If someone who is obese costs the system more than they put in, it is a net loss. How many people do you know just die of obesity, without having any medical intervention?
It does NOT just take self-control. It requires a LOT of effort.
It is a sad day when simple diet changes are considered 'A LOT' of effort.
Now, tell me, how on Earth does ANY of this justify insulting people or belittling people for being overweight?
No one said anything about belittling or insulting overweight people...but considering that an overweight lifestyle is bad for someone is perfectly acceptable.
If it wasn't for him, we probably wouldn't also have so vast a wave of elitism and discrimination in regards to being fat..
I think you are exaggerating how much discrimination there is and making a big deal out of what is mostly self-image. Sure, being fat is an unfavorable status. You are less physically attractive and have less stamina than you would if you had less body fat. But how many times in your life have you actually been discriminated for being fat? Have you ever been told that you have to sit in the back of the bus because that's where fat people are forced to ride? Have you ever been denied the right to vote because you are fat? Have you ever been told you can't get married because marriage is a sacred rite only to be shared between two skinny people? Have you ever been kicked off your homeland because apparently your house is on the holy land of the skinny folk and your kind does not belong there? Have you ever been denied the option to serve in your country's military because fat people would distract skinny people on the battlefield? (alright, the military does turn fat people down, but for good reason.) Have you ever been paid less money for the same amount of work, just because you are fat?
The problems you face, that you call "elitism" and "discrimination" are so far and away inconsequential in your own life, your own pursuit of happiness. Maybe you really have no control over it. Maybe it's genetic. Then who cares? Don't cry about it. What if you were born with buck teeth? What if you were incredibly ugly? What if you were a midget? What does it matter? All of this is superficial anyway. Would you be mad if you were ugly and couldn't get laid as much? Poor you. At least you weren't born with a fatal disease. At least you weren't born with a very low IQ.
What I'm trying to say is, despite whatever intolerance you encounter in your life, it's on you to be a man and brush it off your shoulder. No one cares if you were teased as a child or still get teased in the shower. The discrimination will only have an impact on your life if you let it have an impact on yourself. On the other hand, if you suspect that you are facing discrimination on a level of being denied a job or something serious like that, there should be legal consequences for that injustice.
The one valid point you have is the conjecture that Jack LaLanne's existence made it harder for fat people to cope or be accepted. That's fine. That could be true. It's nobody's prerogative to do any sort of statistical research to prove this to be true. It's a waste of time and nobody would believe you. The only counter argument I would give to that is that Jack also inspired people to lose weight and, as they chose to value their healthiness, lead happier lives. I cannot prove that the value of his positive impact outweighed is negative impact, but I put my faith in the positive because the negative impact primarily occurs for fat people that spend too much time thinking about what others think about them.
Having a hectic lifestyle makes it a bit difficult to eat right. I have a friend living across the street who eats right, exercises regularly and has a normal sleep schedule but has no life whatsoever. He doesn't have any friends, doesn't go out anywhere to interact with people and devoted his life to one thing only.
If you have any sort of life and a job, you'll understand it's not easy. Plus, cooking also requires time. I have no idea how much calories I take, I just eat less and more regularly. I have developed that habit over a year and a half.
My family eats differently. I would need to go out of my way to cook for myself every single day.
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Originally posted by mondu_the_fat: One minute you're arguing about meatlof and the next thing you know someone's sex life is being dredged up.
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Having a hectic lifestyle makes it a bit difficult to eat right. I have a friend living across the street who eats right, exercises regularly and has a normal sleep schedule but has no life whatsoever. He doesn't have any friends, doesn't go out anywhere to interact with people and devoted his life to one thing only.
If you have any sort of life and a job, you'll understand it's not easy. Plus, cooking also requires time. I have no idea how much calories I take, I just eat less and more regularly. I have developed that habit over a year and a half.
My family eats differently. I would need to go out of my way to cook for myself every single day.
Eating right doesn't take too much time.
For instance, in any given day, my diet consists mostly of hard boiled eggs, peanut butter sandwiches, tuna, and chicken breasts. The most intensive thing on that menu is the chicken breasts, which take maybe 20 minutes to cook.
Eating healthy is surprisingly simple and easy.
And to honor Jack Lalanne, tomorrow, at the gym, I am going to hit it harder than I've ever hit it before.
We can't force fat people to sit in the back of the bus because the front wheels would occasionally lift from the road, putting everybody in danger.
Awesome.
I think people would be hard pressed to called Teddy Roosevelt obese, he may have been a bit heavy but calling him obese certainly isn't true. I remember seeing this guy on Penn and Teller's BS when they did the bit on body types, seemed like a good enough guy.
You can't force me "a fat person" to sit here and read this ☺☺☺☺ anymore.
Not only is dousche-nozzle who's saying fat people are fat because they're idiots who can't plan diets a complete tard, but it been recorded well that it's not just the fast food resteraunts In America that are causing the problems in American Diets. There are pleanty of foods that are grown, mixed with, or just fattened up period, and not everyone is a label-whore.
In high school I was always a heavier kid, not fat, but heavier. I also played football, was on the swimming/diving team. And worked out during school in 6th period as well as played basketball at lunchtime.
The reason I didn't get skinny? Because I don't like eating small meals all the time, I like eating when i'm hungry. I don't want to force food down my throat, and personally I find your lack of understanding a character flaw more then a point of view. Go troll somewhere else, other then an RIP thread.
Im too fat to read this anymore. ☺☺☺☺ all of my 280 6'2 ass....
I hate to be ignorant -- and this may not be news to any of you -- but obesity probably has comorbidities, has social and economic costs and effects (other than rising healthcare costs), can be caused by other factors and can be caused by other factors in combination with (factors that patients can change) diet and exercise.
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Eating healthy is surprisingly simple and easy.
Then you would be surprised how un-simply and un-easy it is for those that aren't as financially/socioeconomically blessed than yourself don't necessarily eat so healthily.
I don't wanna cherry pick but aren't instant noodles and ramen staples for college kids? I acknowledge that there are more blahblahblah Philosophy 101-learnt fallacies but isn't it just a teensy-weensy bit insular to think that "eating healthily is surprisingly simple and easy"? (And don't get us started on the rest.)
peanut butter sandwiches
... peanut butter?
I presume peanut butter spread is a convenient delivery method of potential trans fats and aflatoxin (and other microbial toxins and pathogenic microbes) and, as such, is yummy?
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Having a hectic lifestyle makes it a bit difficult to eat right. I have a friend living across the street who eats right, exercises regularly and has a normal sleep schedule but has no life whatsoever. He doesn't have any friends, doesn't go out anywhere to interact with people and devoted his life to one thing only.
You contradicted yourself, my good man; or, figures of speech shouldn't be employed so liberally.
Other than that, kudos to your buddy (well, other than whatever lackings that he or she might have and hold value to).
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I think you are exaggerating how much discrimination there is
Laws exist such that an employer can't expressly discriminate (in hiring, at work, in letting go, etc.) people for "fatness", much like any "criterion", but you can implicitly.
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Question: My Physics teacher watches his calories, even going so far as to eat ZERO fried food for a year, is very active. Why is he still fat?
Specific genes activated and others suppressed?
Drugs?
Endocrine disorder?
Psychiatry disorders?
One can't wholly exclude his diet and his lifestyle simply because he "watches his calories(?), even going so far as to eat ZERO fried food for a year and is very active". In isolation, they are likely to not be so large factors.
I do wonder whether this fellow Jack LaLanne's work did anything with regards to "reshaping" people's body (I am unfamiliar with him and his works; I don't suppose he published papers or submitted articles to journals); it's not so much fat in and of itself is bad but the distribution of it and the amount of it.
As from the dust of the earth, he has returned to it. May he rest in peace and be remembered for what he did, for why he did what he did.
The Juggernaut, Extremist Moderate, and some of y'all, this thread was in memoriam of some fellow; but, jeepers, what do I know? I ain't know nothing.
If you gain weight from your current lifestyle, you are sedentary. That's all there is to it.
That is so blatantly stupidignorant wrong. Equating a sedentary lifestyle with weight gain is poorly informed at best. It is both possible to gain weight practicing a non-sedentary lifestyle and to not gain weight while practicing one.
'Existing' isn't enough to burn enough calories. Surprsingly, it takes more than just simple metabolic processes to burn more calories than you ingest.
Depends on:
a) how much you ingest,
b) what you ingest, and
c) your ability to absorb what you've eaten.
I could see innate metabolism contributing significantly in some circumstances.
It is very easy to change your metabolism. For instance, eating one large meal before bedtime will slow your metabolism down. Eating many small meals in the day will speed your metabolism up.
Still doesn't change that some people have a faster natural metabolism than others. Dietary alterations may change it, but in some cases it just may not be enough.
So, sorry, but metabolism is not an excuse to be obese.
It may not be an excuse, but it is certainly a reason.
I really don't see any problem with a discrimination against obesity...Unlike race, obesity is easily changed, and does absolutely nothing good for society.
Discriminating against someone because of life choices is just as bad.
Surely you wouldn't condone discrimination based on religion. It's just as easy to change. Simply go to a different building, maybe at a different time; maybe more often maybe less, change 'Alah' to 'Jesus', 'Jehova' or 'Vishnu'.
Or if you don't like that example how about another diet based one. If someone's vegan, should they be discriminated against, told what they are is wrong and that they should change?
For instance, in any given day, my diet consists mostly of hard boiled eggs, peanut butter sandwiches, tuna, and chicken breasts. The most intensive thing on that menu is the chicken breasts, which take maybe 20 minutes to cook.
Honestly, that sounds like a terrible diet. Do you eat anything else, or at least take supplements 'cos eating like that'd give anyone vitamin deficincy.
On the main note:
All I knew of the guy was he was some kind of health nut. I wonder if they'll stop those juicer commercials I see all the time, seeing them drink a raw potato smoothy was disturbing.
It may not be an excuse, but it is certainly a reason.
Inaccurately and imprecisely speaking, though; otherwise this argument is as valid as his or hers (that it's a cop out).
It can be a reason if there is a condition, a disease, a disorder.
Discriminating against someone because of life choices is just as bad. Surely you wouldn't condone discrimination based on religion. It's just as easy to change. Simply go to a different building, maybe at a different time; maybe more often maybe less, change 'Alah' to 'Jesus', 'Jehova' or 'Vishnu'.
Allah; and, Jehovah, only if you speak/write Latin.
Awesome.
I think people would be hard pressed to called Teddy Roosevelt obese, he may have been a bit heavy but calling him obese certainly isn't true. I remember seeing this guy on Penn and Teller's BS when they did the bit on body types, seemed like a good enough guy.
Times change, as do standards and definitions.
... and, accounting for the context of them times, Roosevelt would be considered obese, as was his successor.
Mr. Lalanne made the public aware, but he kept doctors and chiropractors in business for years. The excersises he pushed and the form of some of them were causing more harm then good. His old exercise shows are shown to to trainers and therapists for what not to do. (His deep knee bends and lunges caused knee, hip, and ankle problems. His sit up form caused hyper extension of the neck.)
Some of the information in this thread is so far off. Low calorie intake alone can cause a chemical imbalance in the body, add in excersise and now your body can stop burning fat all together and store any intake as fat and burn muscle. Thats not even talking about what the preservitives and additives have done to our bodies.
Its very easy for someone in their late teens or early 20s to feel its easy to keep in shape. come talk to me once the career and family starts cutting in on that gym time. I know people who were gym rats thru their 20s then life got in the way, big time.
My grandfather always told me, dont judge someone else unless you can walk a year in their shoes.
Hahaha, I can't believe some of the stuff I'm ready in here. It's amazing how the human brain is so good and making excuses for its self.
If you need to lose weight, you must use diet and exorcise. I sit around quite often and I eat horribly. But that is a choice I make, If I wanted to lose weight I understand that it involves some work in the way of eating less and working out. It's not hard, it's not rocket science, and anyone that says they can't do have only their selves to blame.
But man Jack, he is the epitome of human endurance, exercised everyday in his life, it's really a shame to see him go.
He lived a great life and I'm proud of him for that. Besides being known as the "Godfather of Fitness" the exercise known as Jumping Jacks was named after him.
"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
Personally, I don't really care about him. Then again, I also don't like Richard Simmons, whose only purpose, in my mind, is to remind people of Gene Simmons.
He, himself, was a fatty when he was a child.
I really don't see any problem with a discrimination against obesity...Unlike race, obesity is easily changed, and does absolutely nothing good for society.
Two things that you got wrong have been pointed out:
- Not easily changed. If you really think it's easily changed... I... can't really tell you how wrong that is. It's just common sense.
- Increased levels of obesity brings about a smaller average lifespan. Since the world is getting overcrowded, obesity helps trim the fat, so to speak, of overpopulation.
I'm sorry, but you really have no idea what you are talking about. Obesity comes from a sedentary lifestyle and a horrible diet, both being incredibly easy to fix.
It really is simple math. To lose weight you have to burn more calories than you ingest. God forbid you have to show some self-control to lose weight.
So, according to you, it's good that these people die younger? Instead of just making minor changes to their lifestyles?
That's a pretty warped point of view.
There's a difference between being fat and being... this. One of those you have to work to maintain, the other is simply being fat.
Many people show self-control(myself included), but it's not that simple. Don't you think that if it was REALLY that easy, we would have the majority of Americans being fat?
No, especially considering I'm one of "these people." However, you said it "does absolutely nothing for society." Curbing overpopulation, even slightly, is beneficial for society as a whole. Common sense, strangely, isn't that common, it seems.
Also, "minor changes"? Really? In order to lose weight, you have to do more than "minor changes" to your lifestyle.
Did I really just read this? America has one of the laziest populations of any major power in the world; Difficulty is irrelevant when most people would rather plan their fat asses in front of the TV and watch more American Idol instead of go for a nice jog, or grab fast food for every other meal and cycle through the same websites all night while proclaiming to be bored of their mundane life but unwilling to lift a leg and participate in some cardiovascular exercises.
How many people do you know who complain about being bored, who could be doing some form of physical activity? I know a lot. It's not a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of being lazy and saying it's not your fault you're fat while probably not having had any real exercise and having just finished eating fried chicken or a cheeseburger for dinner. Weight, just like anything, sees results over time. But, because we live in an age where instant gratification is key and people want it now, when overweight or obese people try diet or exercise programs and don't see immediate results they give up. We live in a country surrounding us with temptation for the weak minded there they can get all the support they need to live the the lazy "Poor me, I'm the victim of ____" American dream that leads people to being comfortable in a sedentary lifestyle and blaming everything but themselves.
Go ahead, sue McDonalds for making you fat. I'm sure for these kids it's hereditary, right?
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Yes, that's really all that goes into it.
It is very easy to change your metabolism. For instance, eating one large meal before bedtime will slow your metabolism down. Eating many small meals in the day will speed your metabolism up.
So, sorry, but metabolism is not an excuse to be obese.
Sedentary doesn't just mean sitting on your ass all day long. Sedentary means not burning enough calories during the day.
Like I said earlier, it is very easy to burn enough calories during any given day. But that requires not eating 5000 calories a day.
I don't understand what you are trying to get at...you don't work to remain fat...you work to slim down.
So tell me (and I do not want you to lie or overaggerate), what activity you do in any given day...
Also, I would like to know how many calories you ingest daily.
Because like I said, it really is simple math. You burn more calories than you eat. Even if you burn 100 calories more than what you eat daily, you will lose weight.
The reason it is so hard is because people in this society are addicted to food. Like I said, it takes self control to lose weight.
And how much do you think they cost in healthcare?
I'm sorry you are overweight...but like I said, if you really just spend ten minutes to get your diet down right, you will lose weight.
I have many years experience when it comes to nutrition, and I'm telling you right now, you are 100% wrong. It doesn't take monumental effort to lose weight. It takes a little bit of self control.
Eating many small meals a day also requires VASTLY changing your schedule. Once again, it's not as "easy" as you make it out to be.
Actually, that's NOT what sedentary means, but I'm not going to bother going into that. A simple glance at Wikipedia proves you wrong here.
Eating 5000 calories a day requires quite a bit of work, if you ask me.
At some point, you burn so many calories by just existing, that you have to work to satiate the output.
Quite a bit of walking during the school day, followed by a long walk after school(with my dog, if you must know). Racquetball once a week for a couple hours.
As for calories? That's the hard part. I don't have a number I can give you. You know why? That requires quite a bit of effort. I don't have the calorie content for each and every restaurant I go to.
So, tell me, what does this have to do with my original point?
Naw, really?
However, what you burn every day is not simple. How much you absorb is not simple.
Mmhmm, I have self-control. I've had self-control all my life. I ACTIVELY try to reduce the number of calories I eat a day.
Does it matter? You said it does nothing good at all. I was providing a counterexample. You essentially said A =/= B, and I provided one case in which A = B, thus disproving your entire statement.
It does NOT just take self-control. It requires a LOT of effort.
Now, tell me, how on Earth does ANY of this justify insulting people or belittling people for being overweight?
You completely ignored my point.
Furthermore, I've not had a cheeseburger or fried chicken for... at least 2 months now.
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Question: My Physics teacher watches his calories, even going so far as to eat ZERO fried food for a year, is very active. Why is he still fat?
There's a physics joke in there somewhere...can't come up with one though...something about the curvature of space....
Can you tell me his diet?
Becuase it doesn't matter if he runs 3 miles a day. If he is ingesting more than he is burning, he will gain weight.
So eating at different times requires a vast amount of effort? Really?
And it doesn't even require you to go that far...eating three meals a day, with the right amount of calories, will speed up your metabolism as well.
I find it quite hilarious that you consider these things 'vastly' changing your lifestyle.
If you gain weight from your current lifestyle, you are sedentary. That's all there is to it.
Not to the normal American, where one burger can total over 2000 calories.
'Existing' isn't enough to burn enough calories. Surprsingly, it takes more than just simple metabolic processes to burn more calories than you ingest.
Walking is an awful way to burn calories...it's low intensive, and you have to walk at least 10,000 paces daily to make any discernable difference.
I had a feeling you would give me something like this. Walking is not enough.
So addition is too hard for you? Every food establishment is required by law to give you a breakdown on their meals...
It's not their fault you don't know how many calories daily you are ingesting.
Really? You really don't know?
It's simple addition, actually.
...You yourself admitted that you don't count the calories you ingest. How can you work to lower your calorie intake when you don't even know how much you are ingesting?
'Just eating less' is an awful way to go about this. Calorie amounts differ greatly between foods, and the only real way to accurately work to curb your intake is to know how much you are taking in.
It does matter. If someone who is obese costs the system more than they put in, it is a net loss. How many people do you know just die of obesity, without having any medical intervention?
It is a sad day when simple diet changes are considered 'A LOT' of effort.
No one said anything about belittling or insulting overweight people...but considering that an overweight lifestyle is bad for someone is perfectly acceptable.
I think you are exaggerating how much discrimination there is and making a big deal out of what is mostly self-image. Sure, being fat is an unfavorable status. You are less physically attractive and have less stamina than you would if you had less body fat. But how many times in your life have you actually been discriminated for being fat? Have you ever been told that you have to sit in the back of the bus because that's where fat people are forced to ride? Have you ever been denied the right to vote because you are fat? Have you ever been told you can't get married because marriage is a sacred rite only to be shared between two skinny people? Have you ever been kicked off your homeland because apparently your house is on the holy land of the skinny folk and your kind does not belong there? Have you ever been denied the option to serve in your country's military because fat people would distract skinny people on the battlefield? (alright, the military does turn fat people down, but for good reason.) Have you ever been paid less money for the same amount of work, just because you are fat?
The problems you face, that you call "elitism" and "discrimination" are so far and away inconsequential in your own life, your own pursuit of happiness. Maybe you really have no control over it. Maybe it's genetic. Then who cares? Don't cry about it. What if you were born with buck teeth? What if you were incredibly ugly? What if you were a midget? What does it matter? All of this is superficial anyway. Would you be mad if you were ugly and couldn't get laid as much? Poor you. At least you weren't born with a fatal disease. At least you weren't born with a very low IQ.
What I'm trying to say is, despite whatever intolerance you encounter in your life, it's on you to be a man and brush it off your shoulder. No one cares if you were teased as a child or still get teased in the shower. The discrimination will only have an impact on your life if you let it have an impact on yourself. On the other hand, if you suspect that you are facing discrimination on a level of being denied a job or something serious like that, there should be legal consequences for that injustice.
The one valid point you have is the conjecture that Jack LaLanne's existence made it harder for fat people to cope or be accepted. That's fine. That could be true. It's nobody's prerogative to do any sort of statistical research to prove this to be true. It's a waste of time and nobody would believe you. The only counter argument I would give to that is that Jack also inspired people to lose weight and, as they chose to value their healthiness, lead happier lives. I cannot prove that the value of his positive impact outweighed is negative impact, but I put my faith in the positive because the negative impact primarily occurs for fat people that spend too much time thinking about what others think about them.
If you have any sort of life and a job, you'll understand it's not easy. Plus, cooking also requires time. I have no idea how much calories I take, I just eat less and more regularly. I have developed that habit over a year and a half.
My family eats differently. I would need to go out of my way to cook for myself every single day.
My playgroup: four people total.
We use the Legacy B&R list.
My meta consists of combo, control and some aggro / midrange decks.
My group uses proxies, so budget is not an issue. Because of this, things can get out of hand.
Eating right doesn't take too much time.
For instance, in any given day, my diet consists mostly of hard boiled eggs, peanut butter sandwiches, tuna, and chicken breasts. The most intensive thing on that menu is the chicken breasts, which take maybe 20 minutes to cook.
Eating healthy is surprisingly simple and easy.
And to honor Jack Lalanne, tomorrow, at the gym, I am going to hit it harder than I've ever hit it before.
RIP Jack, your memory will not go unforgotten.
I think people would be hard pressed to called Teddy Roosevelt obese, he may have been a bit heavy but calling him obese certainly isn't true. I remember seeing this guy on Penn and Teller's BS when they did the bit on body types, seemed like a good enough guy.
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Not only is dousche-nozzle who's saying fat people are fat because they're idiots who can't plan diets a complete tard, but it been recorded well that it's not just the fast food resteraunts In America that are causing the problems in American Diets. There are pleanty of foods that are grown, mixed with, or just fattened up period, and not everyone is a label-whore.
In high school I was always a heavier kid, not fat, but heavier. I also played football, was on the swimming/diving team. And worked out during school in 6th period as well as played basketball at lunchtime.
The reason I didn't get skinny? Because I don't like eating small meals all the time, I like eating when i'm hungry. I don't want to force food down my throat, and personally I find your lack of understanding a character flaw more then a point of view. Go troll somewhere else, other then an RIP thread.
Im too fat to read this anymore. ☺☺☺☺ all of my 280 6'2 ass....
Calm down. Keep it civil.
Pullus per Mucro
Then you would be surprised how un-simply and un-easy it is for those that aren't as financially/socioeconomically blessed than yourself don't necessarily eat so healthily.
I don't wanna cherry pick but aren't instant noodles and ramen staples for college kids? I acknowledge that there are more blahblahblah Philosophy 101-learnt fallacies but isn't it just a teensy-weensy bit insular to think that "eating healthily is surprisingly simple and easy"? (And don't get us started on the rest.)
... peanut butter?
I presume peanut butter spread is a convenient delivery method of potential trans fats and aflatoxin (and other microbial toxins and pathogenic microbes) and, as such, is yummy?
You contradicted yourself, my good man; or, figures of speech shouldn't be employed so liberally.
Other than that, kudos to your buddy (well, other than whatever lackings that he or she might have and hold value to).
Laws exist such that an employer can't expressly discriminate (in hiring, at work, in letting go, etc.) people for "fatness", much like any "criterion", but you can implicitly.
Specific genes activated and others suppressed?
Drugs?
Endocrine disorder?
Psychiatry disorders?
One can't wholly exclude his diet and his lifestyle simply because he "watches his calories(?), even going so far as to eat ZERO fried food for a year and is very active". In isolation, they are likely to not be so large factors.
I do wonder whether this fellow Jack LaLanne's work did anything with regards to "reshaping" people's body (I am unfamiliar with him and his works; I don't suppose he published papers or submitted articles to journals); it's not so much fat in and of itself is bad but the distribution of it and the amount of it.
As from the dust of the earth, he has returned to it. May he rest in peace and be remembered for what he did, for why he did what he did.
The Juggernaut, Extremist Moderate, and some of y'all, this thread was in memoriam of some fellow; but, jeepers, what do I know? I ain't know nothing.
That is so blatantly
stupidignorantwrong. Equating a sedentary lifestyle with weight gain is poorly informed at best. It is both possible to gain weight practicing a non-sedentary lifestyle and to not gain weight while practicing one.Depends on:
a) how much you ingest,
b) what you ingest, and
c) your ability to absorb what you've eaten.
I could see innate metabolism contributing significantly in some circumstances.
Still doesn't change that some people have a faster natural metabolism than others. Dietary alterations may change it, but in some cases it just may not be enough.
It may not be an excuse, but it is certainly a reason.
Discriminating against someone because of life choices is just as bad.
Surely you wouldn't condone discrimination based on religion. It's just as easy to change. Simply go to a different building, maybe at a different time; maybe more often maybe less, change 'Alah' to 'Jesus', 'Jehova' or 'Vishnu'.
Or if you don't like that example how about another diet based one. If someone's vegan, should they be discriminated against, told what they are is wrong and that they should change?
Honestly, that sounds like a terrible diet. Do you eat anything else, or at least take supplements 'cos eating like that'd give anyone vitamin deficincy.
On the main note:
All I knew of the guy was he was some kind of health nut. I wonder if they'll stop those juicer commercials I see all the time, seeing them drink a raw potato smoothy was disturbing.
It can be a reason if there is a condition, a disease, a disorder.
Allah; and, Jehovah, only if you speak/write Latin.
Times change, as do standards and definitions.
... and, accounting for the context of them times, Roosevelt would be considered obese, as was his successor.
Ambition must be made to counteract ambition.
Individualities may form communities, but it is institutions alone that can create a nation.
Nothing succeeds like the appearance of success.
Here is my principle: Taxes shall be levied according to ability to pay. That is the only American principle.
Some of the information in this thread is so far off. Low calorie intake alone can cause a chemical imbalance in the body, add in excersise and now your body can stop burning fat all together and store any intake as fat and burn muscle. Thats not even talking about what the preservitives and additives have done to our bodies.
Its very easy for someone in their late teens or early 20s to feel its easy to keep in shape. come talk to me once the career and family starts cutting in on that gym time. I know people who were gym rats thru their 20s then life got in the way, big time.
My grandfather always told me, dont judge someone else unless you can walk a year in their shoes.
If you need to lose weight, you must use diet and exorcise. I sit around quite often and I eat horribly. But that is a choice I make, If I wanted to lose weight I understand that it involves some work in the way of eating less and working out. It's not hard, it's not rocket science, and anyone that says they can't do have only their selves to blame.
I don't think demons are the reason for obesity in America.
This thread is full of conflicting information. Gonna have to do my own research.