It is decreed that the gem shall be locked away in the Tower vault until such time its true owner can be cleared and identified.
I think definitely mafia just one that receives commands. Also,
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The shards are Bloodstones - a tool used by evil warlocks and witches
Victims drained of blood.
Furthermore,
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So Cyan.
Wuffles wasn't lying. Jql wasn't lying.
Doesnt this mean you should go RAWR! DIESCUMDIEDIEDIEDIE at the other claimed vanilla now? You know, the one who has been plainsightlurking for the entire game?
Why, are we ignoring these scummy posts?
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There are some open questions from Day 1 that you still didn't answer. Will you answer them or will you continue your (illogical) stance of random accusations?
Stop trying to fish me.
Also, I can confirm that there was at least 3 abilities used last night(if nk is an ability), through logic and information I posses.
The vote count is irrelevant, people just need to vote until he is lynched. If Wuffles is town, either A)sheer bastard modding is at work or B)jql and jy are both scum.
To much pushing for townies lynch. Jumping around. FOS CYAN
@JY
Also, apparently I woke up in a different room this morning. I do not know what this means.
Did you get any info from the room? i.e. any relics or signs? Clues?
@SSB ability, a mafia night kill wouldn't show up right?
If I were scum, and since Wuffles was 'already sunk and getting lynched', as you put it, why would I do anything out of the norm, like claim? Why wouldn't I just shut up and let it happen? Instead I put the nail in Wuffles' coffin based on PM wording, something scummy and sketchy, when I could have just sat back and done nothing.
Saying that I could use it as a way to put forth my vanilla claim also doesn't make sense. If Wuffles was actually scum, then people would look at my vanilla claim and say "Ooh that was indeed helpful." Instead now people are going to look back and say "Okay Jodo just got Wuffles lynched based on his PM wording and now he is probably a big sketchbag."
So basically if I were scum and decided to gallivant out and get Wuffles lynched, you'd have to assume I was VERY STUPID. I'd be doing the complete opposite of blending in.
Putting aside the fact that this was 100% WIFOM, the explanation is simple, and you have admitted it with this post. You did not put forth your claim in an attempt to save jqlgirl, you wanted to bury Wuffles. You figured that Jqlgirl would still get lynched. And what would happen then? You would be looking absolutely like aces, because of yesterday. Sadly for you, jqlgirl got NKed by Dagger, and now you're stuck.
Now instead lets assume I was town. I see Wuffles claim vanilla, and then Skander argue the difference between JqlGirl and Wuffles' claim. My vanilla PM matches up with JqlGirl's side of the story. So I'm obviously going to vote for Wuffles. I justify it with my vanilla claim, since if I go purely by behaviour, I'd be completely reversing myself on JqlGirl.
So your claim matches jqlgirls. But your actions don't. Jqlgirl, even after noting her own role PM, STILL thought that Wuffles was town. You can't try to use her actions in your favor when her actions are the opposite of your own.
Just because you're smarting on your mistake about Wuffles doesn't mean you should go insulting other players Cyan, it's very petty of you.
Heh. Nice deflection and attempt to discredit me. Let's clarify something. I don't feel bad that Wuffles got lynched, no matter how much I was involved. I rarely ever do. Especially not in this case, where A)the situation has brought us a wealth of information and B)Wuffles brought it upon himself. Had he not fudged on his role flavor, he would be alive right now.
And calling me petty is just a scummy, emotionally charged adhom.
I want to point out something else to people, as well.
JY has nothing to say, basically, for the entirety of yesterday. People repeatedly took issue with his posts, and he more or less blew it off.
I make one statement, and he responds in huge detail.
Do you know what the difference is? Guilt. JY knows that he screwed up yesterday, and is trying to overcompensate for being called on it, hence this post. Yesterday, he was able to blow off the accusations because they were minor/things he didn't feel bad about.
People saying that JY's play is 'bad' are incorrect. DV's play is bad. JY's play is scummy. There is an obvious difference.
I don't see any reason to ask unless you're worried about being found out.
It is important.
Time to lay out my plan. Sandsoft hasn't told us his list yet. This is good. I want everyone that used an ability last night to claim and only them. Then sandsoft can verify if anyone isn't fessing up. Then after this we can verify if in fact people are telling the truth. I will explain how when we get to this step.
Time to lay out my plan. Sandsoft hasn't told us his list yet. This is good. I want everyone that used an ability last night to claim and only them. Then sandsoft can verify if anyone isn't fessing up. Then after this we can verify if in fact people are telling the truth. I will explain how when we get to this step.
um... so you are propsing a mass claim? just like Sandsoft did very recently?
Time to lay out my plan. Sandsoft hasn't told us his list yet. This is good. I want everyone that used an ability last night to claim and only them. Then sandsoft can verify if anyone isn't fessing up. Then after this we can verify if in fact people are telling the truth. I will explain how when we get to this step.
Not a mass claim. Never did I say mass claim. I want the few players that used night abilities last night to identify themselves and what they did, because I am pretty for sure I have at least one mafia trapped.
Hey, Cyan, would you agree that Jqlgirl was playing poorly yesterday? If so (and I believe you will agree), why are you using the way she acted as a model for how townies are supposed to act? In other words, yesterday you were suspicious of Jqlgirl for not wanting to lynch Wuffles despite the claim discrepancies. Today you're suspicious of JY for not acting more like Jqlgirl did. What gives?
DV, if I'm following you correctly, your plan is basically just going to tell us who used an ability last night. How does that help us at all?
Not a mass claim. Never did I say mass claim. I want the few players that used night abilities last night to identify themselves and what they did, because I am pretty for sure I have at least one mafia trapped.
This is a pretty interesting post in context of where your vote is at right now.
Care to explain why you would basically say that Jqlgirl is scum who knows Wuffles is town and yet keep your vote on Wuffles?
Yeah its worded badly. I was speaking hypothetically. But the way they were throwing their roles out there I wasn't sure of them. Plus with Vampyrs' talk of hiding behind vanilla I kept my vote where it was
@SSB: Why are you asking me? I don't think JY is 'cleared' of anything.
And frankly, you guys that are saying he's clear because he didn't 'use an ability' are grossly gaming the Mod if you think that the Mafia NK would count against that to begin with. What we know lends credibility to his claim of Vanilla, and that is it. But that doesn't make him town.
@GR: You're right. I felt that jqlgirl should have been suspicious of Wuffles. Everyone should have. My issue is that JY chimed in on the same side as jqlgirl, but not for the purpose of supporting her. He just wanted Wuffles to get lynched, and has all but said this. His scumminess yesterday was highly transparent, especially knowing that jqlgirl is town.
Let me put it this way. In a game this size, do you honestly think that we just so happened to hear, yesterday, from everyone that was Vanilla? I really, really doubt that there are only 3 Vanilla town in this game. Did you see anyone else chipping in information at ANY point regarding Wuffles claim? No? Why not? If they're town, they would have the same motivation that JY did.
@DV: Would you please shut up? Seriously. Speculating on something like that, when you clearly have role-based info, is extremely unhelpful.
@SSB: Why are you asking me? I don't think JY is 'cleared' of anything.
And frankly, you guys that are saying he's clear because he didn't 'use an ability' are grossly gaming the Mod if you think that the Mafia NK would count against that to begin with. What we know lends credibility to his claim of Vanilla, and that is it. But that doesn't make him town.
I wasn't asking you. I was asking the people who believe what I said.
@GR: You're right. I felt that jqlgirl should have been suspicious of Wuffles. Everyone should have. My issue is that JY chimed in on the same side as jqlgirl, but not for the purpose of supporting her. He just wanted Wuffles to get lynched, and has all but said this. His scumminess yesterday was highly transparent, especially knowing that jqlgirl is town.
Let me put it this way. In a game this size, do you honestly think that we just so happened to hear, yesterday, from everyone that was Vanilla? I really, really doubt that there are only 3 Vanilla town in this game. Did you see anyone else chipping in information at ANY point regarding Wuffles claim? No? Why not? If they're town, they would have the same motivation that JY did.
You just contradicted yourself. You said everyone should have been suspicious of Wuffles, and then in the same breath you condemn JY for claiming out of suspicion of Wuffles. If as you say, everyone should have been suspicious of Wuffles, then I don't see how you can also argue that it was wrong for JY to claim in an effort to get Wuffles lynched. that's inconsistent logic. I won't even address that 2nd paragraph right now, but I disagree with that as well.
Alright, I think I'm gonna need to claim a couple of things.
First of all, I have role based info that not all abilities are Magic based. Mafia kill being done with a dagger, clearly not magic, clearly this means nothing for Jodo. (I will add that I'm not particularly suspicious of Jodo, though)
On that note, one of those muggle-type abilities was used on me last night. Ironically, I got laid, which was totally awesome, up until the part that it was all just flavor for a roleblock.
So thanks, skank, when I find you, you're dead.
In other news: SSB is most certainly town, DV is coming off town, Cyan's gambit with his burnout makes him pretty likely to be town...Need less town vibes and more scum vibes.
Had to go into work at 4am this morning, so I'm pretty beat right now. Hopefully I'll have some time for some good ol fasioned analysis tomorrow morning/evening.
Pretty standard night in the world of the Cropster, actually.
A fairly standard night involves sex with an unidentifiable skank, followed by threatening to kill them if you find them? Please, do explain what takes place in a non-typical night.
Here is my problem with JY, in regard to Wuffles vs. jqlgirl:
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My vanilla PM matches up with JqlGirl's side of the story. So I'm obviously going to vote for Wuffles.
There is too much of an inherent contradiction in the notion that JY came forward to 'side' with jqlgirl, when in fact he was completely in disagreement with her conclusion.
There is also this:
I probably shouldn't do this but I might as well, I'm a vanilla too and from what I've seen and through comparisons, Wuffles is lying.
He says he probably shouldn't be doing it. Why? If he is town and has the same PM as jqlgirl, then he should feel like it's essentially a slamdunk against Wuffles, and should be happy to do it.
Also, the post earlier where JY doesn't understand why we're coming to the conclusion that Dagger killed jqlgirl is a point against him. He is clearly thinking from a scum mindset in that post.
@Cyan: Yes I chimed in to get Wuffles lynched? Why not? I see a discrepancy that Skander pointed out, I acknowledged it and confirmed it? I don't see a reason why not.
It's obvious that there is hub-bub about me bla bla so why don't you just daykill me? And I'm not trying to goad you here, I'm actually suggesting you do it so that you guys don't waste your lynch on me. You're only killing a vanilla. And plus this will prove Cyan wrong so that's like a bonus for me.
It's obvious that there is hub-bub about me bla bla so why don't you just daykill me? And I'm not trying to goad you here, I'm actually suggesting you do it so that you guys don't waste your lynch on me. You're only killing a vanilla. And plus this will prove Cyan wrong so that's like a bonus for me.
From my townie mindset, I see this:
-JqlGirl was scummy
-So it'd make sense to vig JqlGirl
-It wouldn't really make sense to nk JqlGirl since she'd get herself lynched
-Thus it doesn't make sense for scum to kill JqlGirl
However, lets examine Dagger's mindset:
-If I (dagger) kill JqlGirl, then I can claim vig!
So by understanding that you are seeing it from Dagger's point of view, aren't you displaying a scum mindset?
The reason why I 'shouldn't be doing it' is because I'm claiming when I don't need to, duhhhhhhhh.
@GoatRevolt: Sorry. It's obvious that I'm going to die at some point in the game so it's in my best interest (as a townie) to ensure that it doesn't waste a lynch.
@GoatRevolt: Sorry. It's obvious that I'm going to die at some point in the game so it's in my best interest (as a townie) to ensure that it doesn't waste a lynch.
You realize that Cyan doesn't have a daykill, right?
@Cyan: Yes I chimed in to get Wuffles lynched? Why not? I see a discrepancy that Skander pointed out, I acknowledged it and confirmed it? I don't see a reason why not.
It's obvious that there is hub-bub about me bla bla so why don't you just daykill me? And I'm not trying to goad you here, I'm actually suggesting you do it so that you guys don't waste your lynch on me. You're only killing a vanilla. And plus this will prove Cyan wrong so that's like a bonus for me.
This is ridiculous. For one thing, way to ignore the multiple points I made.
Also, even in this post, you are only further confirming one of the points I made. Today you are *adamantly* defending your position, which is a position that got a townie lynched. Yesterday, you flatly said 'I probably shouldn't be doing this'. The disconnect here is tremendous and obvious.
Additionally, am I the only one that notices that JY is posting a ton of content today? Yesterday he skated through the *entire* day, today he has tons to say. Seriously, no one else realizes that his scumbuddies told him 'derfderf start posting more'.
Also, it is very, very obvious that Dagger killed jqlgirl. It has been since the scene was posted. You don't get the logic behind it because *you are scum and your group chose NOT to kill jqlgirl*(because you were banking on her getting lynched today and it making you look great).
C'mon, seriously. JY's mindset, today particularly, has been 100% scum. And there's no way he 'forgot' that I don't actually have a daykill after how much nonsense went on surrounding that yesterday. He's trying to make himself look like a bad player instead of just a scummy one.
I think definitely mafia just one that receives commands. Also,
Victims drained of blood.
Furthermore,
Why, are we ignoring these scummy posts?
Stop trying to fish me.
Also, I can confirm that there was at least 3 abilities used last night(if nk is an ability), through logic and information I posses.
Given SSB's revelation (which seems rather townish), I shall have to have a look over day1 for more leads (Tomorrow, I'll wager)
To much pushing for townies lynch. Jumping around.
FOS CYAN
@JY
Did you get any info from the room? i.e. any relics or signs? Clues?
@SSB ability, a mafia night kill wouldn't show up right?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Don't worry, you can still claim vanilla even though you made the kill last night.
Why did you ask that question? And would you be so kind as to address my suspicions of you?
Vote Archmage Eternal
I don't see any reason to ask unless you're worried about being found out.
Yes goat, going back and will respond and no I wont claim vanilla
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Putting aside the fact that this was 100% WIFOM, the explanation is simple, and you have admitted it with this post. You did not put forth your claim in an attempt to save jqlgirl, you wanted to bury Wuffles. You figured that Jqlgirl would still get lynched. And what would happen then? You would be looking absolutely like aces, because of yesterday. Sadly for you, jqlgirl got NKed by Dagger, and now you're stuck.
So your claim matches jqlgirls. But your actions don't. Jqlgirl, even after noting her own role PM, STILL thought that Wuffles was town. You can't try to use her actions in your favor when her actions are the opposite of your own.
Heh. Nice deflection and attempt to discredit me. Let's clarify something. I don't feel bad that Wuffles got lynched, no matter how much I was involved. I rarely ever do. Especially not in this case, where A)the situation has brought us a wealth of information and B)Wuffles brought it upon himself. Had he not fudged on his role flavor, he would be alive right now.
And calling me petty is just a scummy, emotionally charged adhom.
I want to point out something else to people, as well.
JY has nothing to say, basically, for the entirety of yesterday. People repeatedly took issue with his posts, and he more or less blew it off.
I make one statement, and he responds in huge detail.
Do you know what the difference is? Guilt. JY knows that he screwed up yesterday, and is trying to overcompensate for being called on it, hence this post. Yesterday, he was able to blow off the accusations because they were minor/things he didn't feel bad about.
People saying that JY's play is 'bad' are incorrect. DV's play is bad. JY's play is scummy. There is an obvious difference.
Ultimate conclusion: JY is scum.
Time to lay out my plan. Sandsoft hasn't told us his list yet. This is good. I want everyone that used an ability last night to claim and only them. Then sandsoft can verify if anyone isn't fessing up. Then after this we can verify if in fact people are telling the truth. I will explain how when we get to this step.
um... so you are propsing a mass claim? just like Sandsoft did very recently?
And you expect a different reaction?
It's clear that he's a bad player. It's also clear that he's not scum. It's just like Tilde. Move on.
Rofl-lafricken-mao
Why are people assuming Jodoyodo is townie by my result? He may have just not made the kill...
DV, if I'm following you correctly, your plan is basically just going to tell us who used an ability last night. How does that help us at all?
So, you want almost every power role to claim, giving strong indication to those who are vanilla/have a day action, and What these actions are?
How is this NOT a mass claim? I dispute that possibly nailing one scum is worth handing a nicely prioitized list of targets to the mafia is worth it.
Because....?
Yeah its worded badly. I was speaking hypothetically. But the way they were throwing their roles out there I wasn't sure of them. Plus with Vampyrs' talk of hiding behind vanilla I kept my vote where it was
They hate us cause they ain't us.
And frankly, you guys that are saying he's clear because he didn't 'use an ability' are grossly gaming the Mod if you think that the Mafia NK would count against that to begin with. What we know lends credibility to his claim of Vanilla, and that is it. But that doesn't make him town.
@GR: You're right. I felt that jqlgirl should have been suspicious of Wuffles. Everyone should have. My issue is that JY chimed in on the same side as jqlgirl, but not for the purpose of supporting her. He just wanted Wuffles to get lynched, and has all but said this. His scumminess yesterday was highly transparent, especially knowing that jqlgirl is town.
Let me put it this way. In a game this size, do you honestly think that we just so happened to hear, yesterday, from everyone that was Vanilla? I really, really doubt that there are only 3 Vanilla town in this game. Did you see anyone else chipping in information at ANY point regarding Wuffles claim? No? Why not? If they're town, they would have the same motivation that JY did.
@DV: Would you please shut up? Seriously. Speculating on something like that, when you clearly have role-based info, is extremely unhelpful.
also Vote: Archmage Eternal.
I don't like your one line FOS of Cyan, I don't like the question you asked Sandsoft, and I dont' like your response to GR. I think your noob scum.
I wasn't asking you. I was asking the people who believe what I said.
You just contradicted yourself. You said everyone should have been suspicious of Wuffles, and then in the same breath you condemn JY for claiming out of suspicion of Wuffles. If as you say, everyone should have been suspicious of Wuffles, then I don't see how you can also argue that it was wrong for JY to claim in an effort to get Wuffles lynched. that's inconsistent logic. I won't even address that 2nd paragraph right now, but I disagree with that as well.
First of all, I have role based info that not all abilities are Magic based. Mafia kill being done with a dagger, clearly not magic, clearly this means nothing for Jodo. (I will add that I'm not particularly suspicious of Jodo, though)
On that note, one of those muggle-type abilities was used on me last night. Ironically, I got laid, which was totally awesome, up until the part that it was all just flavor for a roleblock.
So thanks, skank, when I find you, you're dead.
In other news: SSB is most certainly town, DV is coming off town, Cyan's gambit with his burnout makes him pretty likely to be town...Need less town vibes and more scum vibes.
Had to go into work at 4am this morning, so I'm pretty beat right now. Hopefully I'll have some time for some good ol fasioned analysis tomorrow morning/evening.
[The Family]
[The Family]
A fairly standard night involves sex with an unidentifiable skank, followed by threatening to kill them if you find them? Please, do explain what takes place in a non-typical night.
There is too much of an inherent contradiction in the notion that JY came forward to 'side' with jqlgirl, when in fact he was completely in disagreement with her conclusion.
There is also this:
He says he probably shouldn't be doing it. Why? If he is town and has the same PM as jqlgirl, then he should feel like it's essentially a slamdunk against Wuffles, and should be happy to do it.
Also, the post earlier where JY doesn't understand why we're coming to the conclusion that Dagger killed jqlgirl is a point against him. He is clearly thinking from a scum mindset in that post.
I can't be the only one noticing these things.
It's obvious that there is hub-bub about me bla bla so why don't you just daykill me? And I'm not trying to goad you here, I'm actually suggesting you do it so that you guys don't waste your lynch on me. You're only killing a vanilla. And plus this will prove Cyan wrong so that's like a bonus for me.
I WANT YOUR DEATH BARONS! Message me if you want to get rid of them!
*facepalm*
From my townie mindset, I see this:
-JqlGirl was scummy
-So it'd make sense to vig JqlGirl
-It wouldn't really make sense to nk JqlGirl since she'd get herself lynched
-Thus it doesn't make sense for scum to kill JqlGirl
However, lets examine Dagger's mindset:
-If I (dagger) kill JqlGirl, then I can claim vig!
So by understanding that you are seeing it from Dagger's point of view, aren't you displaying a scum mindset?
The reason why I 'shouldn't be doing it' is because I'm claiming when I don't need to, duhhhhhhhh.
I WANT YOUR DEATH BARONS! Message me if you want to get rid of them!
[The Family]
I WANT YOUR DEATH BARONS! Message me if you want to get rid of them!
[The Family]
Uh okay. I don't suppose anyone else wants to daykill me?
I WANT YOUR DEATH BARONS! Message me if you want to get rid of them!
Honestly, I don't see this going anywhere. Splitting hairs about whether JY was siding with jqlgirl or against Wuffles is pointless.
I see his reasoning as perfectly legitimate.
[The Family]
Joker that wins with daykill?
@CC: did you seriously do something with that action?
[The Family]
[The Family]
I WANT YOUR DEATH BARONS! Message me if you want to get rid of them!
The crowd turns to look at CropCircles.
"What are you doing - unhand me!" JodoYodo shouts, as CropCircles makes suckerfish noises while grabbing JY's head with both hands.
That totally didn't happen. [/joke]
Carry on.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
Best. Mod. Ever.
This is ridiculous. For one thing, way to ignore the multiple points I made.
Also, even in this post, you are only further confirming one of the points I made. Today you are *adamantly* defending your position, which is a position that got a townie lynched. Yesterday, you flatly said 'I probably shouldn't be doing this'. The disconnect here is tremendous and obvious.
Additionally, am I the only one that notices that JY is posting a ton of content today? Yesterday he skated through the *entire* day, today he has tons to say. Seriously, no one else realizes that his scumbuddies told him 'derfderf start posting more'.
Also, it is very, very obvious that Dagger killed jqlgirl. It has been since the scene was posted. You don't get the logic behind it because *you are scum and your group chose NOT to kill jqlgirl*(because you were banking on her getting lynched today and it making you look great).
C'mon, seriously. JY's mindset, today particularly, has been 100% scum. And there's no way he 'forgot' that I don't actually have a daykill after how much nonsense went on surrounding that yesterday. He's trying to make himself look like a bad player instead of just a scummy one.
I WANT YOUR DEATH BARONS! Message me if you want to get rid of them!